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Luigi06:13:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hi all a little question , is peerplays currently traded on openledger?

Stefan06:15:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Maybe, but i could also get a non crypto card here for free that gives me rewards and almost no FX and is in my native currency. Or a crypto debit card that charges me 2-3% on FX, is denominated in EUR (not my native currency), and likely will have a 1% deposit fee for crypto for roundtrip 3-4%. I would personally not be willing to pay that

One thing I'm missing here is a statement what their commission is. What I could find through browsing the internet normal total fees are 1-2%, which would be fine for me personally if it's a click & go solution https://wirexapp.com/help/article/wirex-fees-0077

Stefan06:16:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

What on- offboarding way would be most beneficial for a businesses like yours on bitshares?

Crypto Kong06:31:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Take a look.. this is only going to benefit Europeans

Yup aware of this. Still think it would be net positive. IMO only downside is possible waste of funds, i think it's worth the risk. I mean we let butcrab blow hundreds of thousands in his botched OMO, at least we will get something from this.

Crypto Kong06:37:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I dont think its particulary good value for money or something we are in desperate need for but it certainly increases bitshares infrastructure or intergration, whatever you wanna call it.

George (Bitspark)06:40:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

One thing I'm missing here is a statement what their commission is. What I could find through browsing the internet is that usual total fees are 1-2%, which would be fine for me personally if it's a click & go solution https://wirexapp.com/help/article/wirex-fees-0077

so 1-2% to 'topup crypto' then they have a flat fee for ATMusage and they dont define their FX fee. So lets say you buy something online not in the currency you have (highly likely, if denominated in EUR then you pay fx on every USD purchase which would be common), the usual fees are approx 2.5% for a debit card issuer like them with a $250 / day limit. So all in about 3%+.

Young06:54:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hello anyone that's having problem with his exchange crypto here ?

Dima BLCKCHND07:35:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

You never use it, right?

Dima BLCKCHND07:40:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Because I see mostly support from people who used to their services, and blind concerns from people that never touched it

Thule07:42:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

still better than my current solution

George (Bitspark)07:42:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

You never use it, right?

Use what?

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)07:42:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@George_Bitspark if the wirex worker would do it for free would you support them?

Dima BLCKCHND07:42:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Use what?

Wirex

George (Bitspark)07:43:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Because I see mostly support from people who used to their services, and blind concerns from people that never touched it

'blind concerns' not sure what thats meant to mean. Are you a mechanical engineer? Do you have an opinion on what car you buy? Youre not? Well how can you have an opinion on cars you not a mechanical engineer. Not an argument

George (Bitspark)07:43:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If you think things are either valid or invalid then respond to that, not vague assertions that 'because you not used X you cant have opinion on X"

Dima BLCKCHND07:43:55 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Are you ever try to pass regulations for plastic?

George (Bitspark)07:44:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Are you ever try to pass regulations for plastic?

Not sure what that sentence means

Dima BLCKCHND07:45:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Not sure what that sentence means

You are business operator, are you ever try to work with plastic?

Dima BLCKCHND07:46:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I guess not

George (Bitspark)07:46:21 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

You are business operator, are you ever try to work with plastic?

Plastic is a durable material mostly coming from oil wells in the ocean, I use lots of plastic in daily life. If you are referring to 'do you accept credit cards via a payment gateway' then yes I have looked into that. Although im only guessing what you mean as its not clear

Dima BLCKCHND07:46:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

You know what I meant

Dima BLCKCHND07:46:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But keep it that way I don't care

Bohdan V (Bitspark)07:47:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

plastic == credit cards

George (Bitspark)07:47:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You need to be clear what your point actually is

George (Bitspark)07:47:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

If you think things are either valid or invalid then respond to that, not vague assertions that 'because you not used X you cant have opinion on X"

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)07:47:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It was clear even for me with nelow average IQ

George (Bitspark)07:47:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

funkit 🐝💋🍯07:48:40 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dont let the language barriers be a hinderance. Even I understood plastic is credut /debit card

Dima BLCKCHND07:48:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

You need to be clear what your point actually is

Dude I got your mood, keep it to yourself

George (Bitspark)07:49:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Dont let the language barriers be a hinderance. Even I understood plastic is credut /debit card

The point is what 'use plastic' does he mean integrate a payment gateway? Become a debit card issue? Deal with outgoing payments? Pay for things using credit? Theres literally 50 things it could be

George (Bitspark)07:49:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if youre not precise then you cant have an argument

Dima BLCKCHND07:50:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Do you EVER try to work with plastic - in any direction?

funkit 🐝💋🍯07:50:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

In the light of the wp it is quite obvious

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)07:50:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I hate political correctness :)

George (Bitspark)07:50:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Do you EVER try to work with plastic CARDS - in any direction?

Already answered that, is it relevant? Why havent you responded to any of my comments? Youre just using a logical fallacy of 'You need to use it to have an opinion. Because thats silly

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)07:52:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@George_Bitspark would you support the wirex worker if they would do the job for free?

George (Bitspark)07:52:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

In the light of the wp it is quite obvious

The points I bring up are related to usage of it as an end user, the usage of it from their card issuer, the acuqiring bank being EUR only, i literally mentioned 3-5 different concerns all "related to plastic"

Dima BLCKCHND07:52:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Already answered that, is it relevant? Why havent you responded to any of my comments? Youre just using a logical fallacy of 'You need to use it to have an opinion". Because thats silly

It's my curiosity, yes or no, would be anouth Just for me, I am curious about you fundamentals in this case

George (Bitspark)07:52:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

liondani

@George_Bitspark would you support the wirex worker if they would do the job for free?

Yep seems fine

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)07:54:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

My point is that you just think the worker is expensive... So there is a price that you would rethink...

funkit 🐝💋🍯07:56:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

The points I bring up are related to usage of it as an end user, the usage of it from their card issuer, fees charged on DEX/Fiat conversions, the acuqiring bank being EUR only, i literally mentioned 3-5 different concerns all "related to plastic"

I know. And I understand why it is of less relevance for the asian population. For us europeans it is the way we roll in many countries.

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)08:02:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think we get more than $375k back in a one year time span after implementing BTS on the wirex VISA card... simple as that ... I think we loose more than that for only dusqussing it for weeks like it it's the decision of the century!

Dima BLCKCHND08:03:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

It's my curiosity, yes or no, would be anouth Just for me, I am curious about your fundamentals in this case as business operator

For example I never ask this question to OL, because they definitely try to pass regulations with their attempts whith plastic I also have some experience in this case, that why fully support wirex integration

funkit 🐝💋🍯08:07:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If we look outside the sandbox, I can inform you my other large crypto holding, Ark has recently got integrated in Spend, a US crypto card. Previously they entered something called Crypto Union for the EU. I know neither of those solutions, but this is what happens in other coins.

George (Bitspark)08:08:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

For example I'll never ask this question to OL, because they definitely try to pass regulations with their attempts whith plastic I also have some experience in case of plastic, that's why I fully support wirex integration My curiosity was about Spark experience in this case as a business operator

We dont use credit cards in any of our products or services or have any want to. None of our customers use it as our customers are larger dealsize, bank transfer only, in different currencies. So usually bank transfer or cash are what we use. Also payment gateways dont really accept crypto companies easily

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)08:15:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Can you find out how much it cost the community to integrate to spent?

funkit 🐝💋🍯08:16:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I could try, but it is not so open in Ark. They just provide infrastructure and let the users do as they please.

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)08:19:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

BTW not invested, but I like also Ark

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)08:22:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so I take more serious what they do :)

funkit 🐝💋🍯08:22:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I would like a better dialogue with them. Super people and why none of the gateway operators has embraced Ark is beyond me. Maybe I should learn how to code and make my own 😉

Dima BLCKCHND08:28:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Already answered that, is it relevant? Why havent you responded to any of my comments? Youre just using a logical fallacy of 'You need to use it to have an opinion". Because thats silly

You got me wrong I saw that you dont like the price of wirex integration. But is not easy to pass by regulations (even onnly in europe), not fast (never was), and definetly not cheap (depends of jurisdiction) My queistion was about do you touch this "swamp" as busnes. Your answered on this question, thanks

George (Bitspark)08:34:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

You got me wrong I saw that you dont like the price of wirex integration. But it is not easy to pass by regulations (even onnly in europe), not fast (never was), and definetly not cheap (depends of jurisdiction) My queistion was about do you touch this "swamp" as busnes. You answered on this question, thanks

Ok no worries 👍

R08:37:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It would be very handy for buying stuff online, better than constantly wiring money to a bank account

Fuzzy08:38:40 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Perhaps a better question is "what does bts look like with severely limited numbers of ways into and out of it?"

Thule08:38:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

these are stupid requirements demanding a card for all big regions

Fuzzy08:38:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Is wirex only a gateway out of crypto?

Fuzzy08:39:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or is it also an onramp into bts?

Thule08:39:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you as example george should know perfectly that china would never allow visa or mastercard have a bigger influence in china as they demand full money transfer control

Fuzzy08:39:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Thnx lion

Thule08:39:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so the requirement wirex doesnt support china is a joke

Thule08:40:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

as there will be never a card which will support a western region and china at the same time

Fuzzy08:40:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Imo if its a way into it and connecting to something already habitually used by the masses...be careful pinching pennies too much

Fuzzy08:41:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The king crypto will in part be defined by the number of ways into and out of it

R08:41:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We can afford it, especially when bts moons in value eventually, austerity is not an answer to anything.

Fuzzy08:42:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

We can afford it, especially when bts moons in value eventually, austerity is not an answer to anything.

Well i recall saying this exact same thing when bts was orders of magnitude higher...so u will get no pushback from me on that

Fuzzy08:42:40 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

This is a big part of network effect

Fuzzy08:43:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Either way im glad the argumentative style turned into discussion. Good on u guys for that.

George (Bitspark)08:51:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

been a long day, sorry for argumentative style @blockchained 😄

Dima BLCKCHND08:57:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

been a long day, sorry for argumentative style @blockchained 😄

no problem for me) my wordings some times "offend" people, as I can see but very rare I want to offend anyone, mostly is just a language barrier and I try to formulate strictly but it seems looks not polite sometimes. Anyway I working on my english, to have less misunderstandings with my wordings

Crypto Kong09:06:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

We can afford it, especially when bts moons in value eventually, austerity is not an answer to anything.

Agreed

Stefan09:33:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Market Picker getting refined, is what you imagined?

funkit 🐝💋🍯09:48:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What was wrong with the old one?

Stefan09:56:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

What was wrong with the old one?

https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/2400

funkit 🐝💋🍯10:00:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Never had a problem with it tbh. Quirky maybe, but no big deal. Your new one looks very slick.

Fuzzy10:02:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Texting for meaning is a bitch

Fuzzy10:02:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

☺️

fractalnode10:29:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

is it possible to create an order book for several assets in one combined view, e.g. BTS vs [OPEN.BTC && GDEX.BTC && RUDEX.BTC & XBTSX.BTC && SPARK.BTC] I realize that each of them has a different fee, but if the user would agree to it

Salam Saleh10:32:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

http://t.me/claim_bitcoin_with_me_vs_bot?start=694808663

R10:39:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fractalnode

is it possible to create an order book for several assets in one combined view?, e.g. BTS vs [OPEN.BTC && GDEX.BTC && RUDEX.BTC & XBTSX.BTC && SPARK.BTC && (...) ] I realize that each of them has a different fee, but if the user would agree to it. I have been thinking about it for some time, but I will always forget to ask

There's an bsip for merging markets under a single mpa, that similar or do you just want the multi asset exchange view?

R10:39:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bsip draft even

Stefan10:45:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fractalnode

Would be possible to display in the same exchange tab with changes only in UI

fractalnode10:50:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I thought that it is worth presenting such an idea. This could potentially help increase liquidity on such combined assets. It seems to me that everyone would gain from it, users and gate operators

fractalnode10:51:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the devil is in the details it seems to me that the user would have to define which assets he trusts

fractalnode10:53:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the more new operators, the greater the fragmentation

Sophia10:54:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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Stefan10:58:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

opt-in for gateway assets is the only option imo

Stefan10:59:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

On another note: HackTheDex wants to be alive & kickin' again. Please consider for your votes! https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-04-hackthedex

fractalnode11:45:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

There's an bsip for merging markets under a single mpa, that similar or do you just want the multi asset exchange view?

multi asset exchange view

Crypto Kong11:55:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Market Picker getting refined, is what you imagined? @Cryptokong123

Nope

Crypto Kong11:55:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Search function on exchange

Crypto Kong11:55:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Find markets

Stefan11:55:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Nope

Brutal

Crypto Kong11:55:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lol

Stefan11:56:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Find markets

Ah, yea that one too .. That is supposed to be streamlined the same way

Crypto Kong11:56:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But i do use that function to navigate seeing as search function is pretty useless lol

bench12:12:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It is likely Wirex get availaible in the USA, but it will be not be so likely to get tracktion in China, Michael is working on a Quintric card solution, which could also be integrated faster, the worker is not perfect now, but we get our feets in a buisness we are not yet in. What other options do we have? The biggest problem now is people can't spent their BTS, therefore they don't buy or hodl BTS in the first place. Getting listed on Wirex brings us also a step further to Kraken.

bench12:23:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We get App, Infrastructure with FIAT Gateways, Marketing and Reputation + future benefits, why not use the network effect for our advantage ?

Jonathan Bahai12:26:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

It is likely Wirex get availaible in the USA, but it will be not likely to get tracktion in China. Michael is working on a Quintric card solution (USA), which could also be integrated faster. The worker is not perfect now, but we get our feets in a buisness, we are not yet in. What other options do we have? The biggest problem now is people can't spent their BTS, therefore they don't buy or hodl BTS in the first place. Getting listed on Wirex brings us also a step further to Kraken.

Lets do at LEAST a poll or something.. since nobody wants to do real research.. asking who would like to spend with BTS knowing everything they pay for has a 3-4% premium on top of a 5-10% volatility and see if this is what everyone has been waiting for.. or if it's not there yet as a competitive offering. I can tell you I have delt with the topic quite a bit and the conclusion we always arrive at is that crypto just cannot compete in the fiat space so long as its run by the banking system with its fees.. it loses its competitive advantages and its appeal. It leaves only those who are diehard believers or those whom are willing to pay for that kind of convenience as the audience... but make no mistake about it.. this is NOT a mass adoption play.. because it doesn't offer anything competitive for the masses. This is a niche inside of a niche. If we are going to spend nearly half a million on something I prefer us exploring more approriate solutions that will: A) Support the DEX B) Be a competitive offer C) Appeal to a larger audience rather than a small niche This worker proposal to wirex does none of these in its current form and is straddled with more than 17% of it just being administrative overhead going to BBF ANNUALLY... nevermind the one time costs, we are taking on annual costs of tens of thousands of dollars in draining the reserve funds to what could be supporting literally a few hundred card holders... and once we are on that hook, BBF will pull the plug the moment the worker is no longer funded and what happens to those card holders then? Please consider these real business questions that are not being addressed. I wish we had more processes like this for workers.. clearly the ones who are creating these workers do not.

R12:28:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Lets do at LEAST a poll or something.. since nobody wants to do real research.. asking who would like to spend with BTS knowing everything they pay for has a 3-4% premium on top of a 5-10% volatility and see if this is what everyone has been waiting for.. or if it's not there yet as a competitive offering. I can tell you I have delt with the topic quite a bit and the conclusion we always arrive at is that crypto just cannot compete in the fiat space so long as its run by the banking system with its fees.. it loses its competitive advantages and its appeal. It leaves only those who are diehard believers or those whom are willing to pay for that kind of convenience as the audience... but make no mistake about it.. this is NOT a mass adoption play.. because it doesn't offer anything competitive for the masses. This is a niche inside of a niche. If we are going to spend nearly half a million on something I prefer us exploring more approriate solutions that will: A) Support the DEX B) Be a competitive offer C) Appeal to a larger audience rather than a small niche This worker proposal to wirex does none of these in its current form and is straddled with more than 17% of it just being administrative overhead going to BBF ANNUALLY... nevermind the one time costs, we are taking on annual costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars in draining the reserve funds to what could be supporting literally a few hundred card holders... and once we are on that hook, BBF will pull the plug the moment the worker is no longer funded and what happens to those card holders then? Please consider these real business questions that are not being addressed. I wish we had more processes like this for workers.. clearly the ones who are creating these workers do not.

There is a wp for it, that's a good poll

R12:29:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Either vote for it or don't

Stefan12:36:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Lets do at LEAST a poll or something.. since nobody wants to do real research.. asking who would like to spend with BTS knowing everything they pay for has a 3-4% premium on top of a 5-10% volatility and see if this is what everyone has been waiting for.. or if it's not there yet as a competitive offering. I can tell you I have delt with the topic quite a bit and the conclusion we always arrive at is that crypto just cannot compete in the fiat space so long as its run by the banking system with its fees.. it loses its competitive advantages and its appeal. It leaves only those who are diehard believers or those whom are willing to pay for that kind of convenience as the audience... but make no mistake about it.. this is NOT a mass adoption play.. because it doesn't offer anything competitive for the masses. This is a niche inside of a niche. If we are going to spend nearly half a million on something I prefer us exploring more approriate solutions that will: A) Support the DEX B) Be a competitive offer C) Appeal to a larger audience rather than a small niche This worker proposal to wirex does none of these in its current form and is straddled with more than 17% of it just being administrative overhead going to BBF ANNUALLY... nevermind the one time costs, we are taking on annual costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars in draining the reserve funds to what could be supporting literally a few hundred card holders... and once we are on that hook, BBF will pull the plug the moment the worker is no longer funded and what happens to those card holders then? Please consider these real business questions that are not being addressed. I wish we had more processes like this for workers.. clearly the ones who are creating these workers do not.

The BBF is merely the escrow and signing partner, the worker management is done by BCP. The management fee of BCP accounts for 6.7% of the total sum of the first year, second year is gonna be much less of that. The long term running costs are 5k a month as the fee for Wirex. "Hundreds of thousands" running costs is much exaggerated. Even if the management fee would be the same you are looking at 85k a year

Fabian Schuh12:37:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

of which, 60k are fee for wirex

Stefan12:38:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Lets do at LEAST a poll or something.. since nobody wants to do real research.. asking who would like to spend with BTS knowing everything they pay for has a 3-4% premium on top of a 5-10% volatility and see if this is what everyone has been waiting for.. or if it's not there yet as a competitive offering. I can tell you I have delt with the topic quite a bit and the conclusion we always arrive at is that crypto just cannot compete in the fiat space so long as its run by the banking system with its fees.. it loses its competitive advantages and its appeal. It leaves only those who are diehard believers or those whom are willing to pay for that kind of convenience as the audience... but make no mistake about it.. this is NOT a mass adoption play.. because it doesn't offer anything competitive for the masses. This is a niche inside of a niche. If we are going to spend nearly half a million on something I prefer us exploring more approriate solutions that will: A) Support the DEX B) Be a competitive offer C) Appeal to a larger audience rather than a small niche This worker proposal to wirex does none of these in its current form and is straddled with more than 17% of it just being administrative overhead going to BBF ANNUALLY... nevermind the one time costs, we are taking on annual costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars in draining the reserve funds to what could be supporting literally a few hundred card holders... and once we are on that hook, BBF will pull the plug the moment the worker is no longer funded and what happens to those card holders then? Please consider these real business questions that are not being addressed. I wish we had more processes like this for workers.. clearly the ones who are creating these workers do not.

"this is NOT a mass adoption play" I would call that a speculatory argument. Do you have by any chance statistics or reports available from your research into the topic?

My seal12:38:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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Crypto Kong12:42:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Ah, yea that one too .. That is supposed to be streamlined the same way

What does streamlined mean?

Crypto Kong12:42:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Will it actually work?

Stefan12:42:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

What does streamlined mean?

Same search functionality

Crypto Kong12:42:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ok cool

Crypto Kong12:42:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

👍

Crypto Kong12:43:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Market picker does look better btw

Jonathan Bahai12:43:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

"this is NOT a mass adoption play" I would call that a speculatory argument, I would argue the opposite. Do you have by any chance statistics or reports available from your research into the topic?

No.. I don't have research.. nobody does.. which is the point of my message.. we are blind.. and there are people who arguing to keep our eyes closed.

Stefan12:44:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

No.. I don't have research.. nobody does.. which is the point of my message.. we are blind.. and there are people who arguing to keep our eyes closed.

Apologies, you made it seem like you had done some in the past. I would never argue to keep eyes closed. I'm aiming for full transparency and working through any and all feedback

Crypto Kong12:48:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Just when i started to leaning in favour of this proposal johnathon has me doubting again lol

Stefan12:51:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Just when i started to leaning in favour of this proposal jonathan has me doubting again lol

To his arguments above: A) I doubt a centralized service will be favoring the DEX in the near future. Wirex does not explicitly exclude it, so if there is liquidity who knows B) It is very competitive, unfortunately it's hard to prove that with all the freakin' NDAs everywhere C) Speculatory, numbers I could find are over 2 million Wirex customers

Europa13:01:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Lets do at LEAST a poll or something.. since nobody wants to do real research.. asking who would like to spend with BTS knowing everything they pay for has a 3-4% premium on top of a 5-10% volatility and see if this is what everyone has been waiting for.. or if it's not there yet as a competitive offering. I can tell you I have delt with the topic quite a bit and the conclusion we always arrive at is that crypto just cannot compete in the fiat space so long as its run by the banking system with its fees.. it loses its competitive advantages and its appeal. It leaves only those who are diehard believers or those whom are willing to pay for that kind of convenience as the audience... but make no mistake about it.. this is NOT a mass adoption play.. because it doesn't offer anything competitive for the masses. This is a niche inside of a niche. If we are going to spend nearly half a million on something I prefer us exploring more approriate solutions that will: A) Support the DEX B) Be a competitive offer C) Appeal to a larger audience rather than a small niche This worker proposal to wirex does none of these in its current form and is straddled with more than 17% of it just being administrative overhead going to BBF ANNUALLY... nevermind the one time costs, we are taking on annual costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars in draining the reserve funds to what could be supporting literally a few hundred card holders... and once we are on that hook, BBF will pull the plug the moment the worker is no longer funded and what happens to those card holders then? Please consider these real business questions that are not being addressed. I wish we had more processes like this for workers.. clearly the ones who are creating these workers do not.

👍

Mathew13:06:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Brutal

FFS Kong don't play

Mathew13:07:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

liondani

This is the main argument for me - easy on ramp directly into BTS.

Mathew13:10:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I don't know how many people will actually use it to spend their BTS tbh, esp. if there are fees that cause a fair hit. I think the 'visa' is more a profile / legitimacy thing and the actual benefit is the easy on ramp. Next stage is convincing people why they should buy BTS 😉

Mathew13:12:07 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Lets do at LEAST a poll or something.. since nobody wants to do real research.. asking who would like to spend with BTS knowing everything they pay for has a 3-4% premium on top of a 5-10% volatility and see if this is what everyone has been waiting for.. or if it's not there yet as a competitive offering. I can tell you I have delt with the topic quite a bit and the conclusion we always arrive at is that crypto just cannot compete in the fiat space so long as its run by the banking system with its fees.. it loses its competitive advantages and its appeal. It leaves only those who are diehard believers or those whom are willing to pay for that kind of convenience as the audience... but make no mistake about it.. this is NOT a mass adoption play.. because it doesn't offer anything competitive for the masses. This is a niche inside of a niche. If we are going to spend nearly half a million on something I prefer us exploring more approriate solutions that will: A) Support the DEX B) Be a competitive offer C) Appeal to a larger audience rather than a small niche This worker proposal to wirex does none of these in its current form and is straddled with more than 17% of it just being administrative overhead going to BBF ANNUALLY... nevermind the one time costs, we are taking on annual costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars in draining the reserve funds to what could be supporting literally a few hundred card holders... and once we are on that hook, BBF will pull the plug the moment the worker is no longer funded and what happens to those card holders then? Please consider these real business questions that are not being addressed. I wish we had more processes like this for workers.. clearly the ones who are creating these workers do not.

Jon do you not think that Wirex at least has a legitimacy / ease of use that will dramatically increase the number of people able to easily and directly buy BTS?

Mathew13:13:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I don't think they miraculously suddenly will but it gives us a clean route in for Europe and elsewhere. China they have magic wallet. US needs thought.

Jonathan Bahai13:13:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Jon do you not think that Wirex at least has a legitimacy / ease of use that will dramatically increase the number of people able to easily and directly buy BTS?

I don't believe it will dramatically increase.. I believe we will have a few hundred .. perhaps several hundred at best who get it.. try it.. see the fees after a few months and stop using it.

Mathew13:14:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

I don't believe it will dramatically increase.. I believe we will have a few hundred .. perhaps several hundred at best who get it.. try it.. see the fees after a few months and stop using it.

Note my 'able to' disclaimer 😉

Mathew13:14:38 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I picture it as a bit of a crypto 'gateway drug' for newbie fiat

Jonathan Bahai13:14:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if we got 500 new card holders using BTS that would be an aquisition cost of $750 per

Jonathan Bahai13:15:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

this is a niche in a niche

funkit 🐝💋🍯13:15:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If...

funkit 🐝💋🍯13:16:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

With goals like that, shut the lights.

Mathew13:17:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

this is a niche in a niche

I think it's a lot less niche than us to be honest and something I can legitimately point newbies towards. I'd have preferred Revolut but that's just because I've been using it, I don't think the exchange aspect is any better.

Lofty Smith13:18:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Hello

Mathew13:18:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I've got my Wirex card on the way now so they've got me as a new user

Stefan13:19:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

if we got 500 new card holders using BTS that would be an aquisition cost of $750 per

BTS will be available to all Wirex customers, not only ones that buy it new after BTS listing. Consider this as advertisement to Wirex users, boils down to roughly 0.17$ per user

Thule13:20:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

HitBTC offered yesterday also another fiat onramp with a 50% discount https://changelly.com//assets/Changelly_for_Tokens.e81c302c.pdf I remember changelly had some bad accusations back in bitcointalk but maybe someone used them in the past

Crypto Kong13:25:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

I don't believe it will dramatically increase.. I believe we will have a few hundred .. perhaps several hundred at best who get it.. try it.. see the fees after a few months and stop using it.

Agreed

Mathew13:27:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Agreed

Disagreed. It will undeniably 'dramatically increase the number of people able to easily buy BTS'. There will be 2.2M of them plus anyone who wants to get a card.

Mathew13:27:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If we are talking about if they will or not...

Mathew13:28:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Well, that comes back to our lack of profile and presence really I think...probably Jonathan isn't miles off on the numbers there sadly

Jonathan Bahai13:28:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

BTS will be available to all Wirex customers, not only ones that buy it new after BTS listing. Consider this as advertisement to Wirex users, boils down to roughly 0.17$ per user

By the same logic.. us being available on various exchanges should therefore have all those users holding BTS.. that doesn't make sense.

Crypto Kong13:28:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Disagreed. It will undeniably 'dramatically increase the number of people able to easily buy BTS'. There will be 2.2M of them plus anyone who wants to get a card.

Just cos they have 2.2m accounts doesnt mean they are active

Mathew13:29:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Tell that to me and the other 8,205 active members of this room!

Crypto Kong13:29:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lol

Mathew13:29:38 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think at least 12 of us aren't bots

Stefan13:29:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

By the same logic.. us being available on various exchanges should therefore have all those users holding BTS.. that doesn't make sense.

Didn't say holding, but advertised. Wirex launching a new token is advertised by them in their own channels as well. Holding I don#t know

Fabian Schuh13:30:38 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Revolut is very expensive ..

Fabian Schuh13:31:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Disagreed. It will undeniably 'dramatically increase the number of people able to easily buy BTS'. There will be 2.2M of them plus anyone who wants to get a card.

+1 .. literally .. +1 :D

Mathew13:32:21 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

Revolut is very expensive ..

I can only imagine. But anyway - I've never used a prepaid card before. Since using Revolut I'm pretty sold so I think they have substantial legs moving forward. I've ordered a Wirex and will try it out. I support the worker primarily for the ease of an on ramp...and now back to work 😉

Stefan13:36:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

I've got my Wirex card on the way now so they've got me as a new user

Curious to your experience when received.

funkit 🐝💋🍯13:54:40 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yo, Stefan, I had a look at the develop download of history. Is the Cointracking formating the same as from the client? I will keep both for the sake of documentation. Havent got it prepared for import yet, but I think I willl get it ready by tomorrow. The raw download looks much nicer than the one from open-explorer. But I still think it is way too much to expect it used for something useful. I wish that some time delimiting parameters can be put in place, like all 2018 tx, all january tx and so forth.

bench13:55:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I'm using Wirex as a crypto gateway (with KYC of course) since more than 1 year. I'm in favour of voting this proposal for the good indirect marketing of BTS (in europe at least). And also if Wirex is launching this XLM stablecoin stuff (and they already have DAI listed) why wouldn't they extend their list of stablecoins to BTS smartcoins (would be much easier for them if they have BTS already integrated)

bench13:55:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fees were about 1.2% for BTC, @JBahai: Could you proofe your fees guesses about Wirex?

bench13:57:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We are solving several problems: Marketing, Fiat-Gateways, Liquidity and a real use case.

bench14:00:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What other options do we have?

Stefan14:01:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

You mean like grouping them in years? The format should be the same for cointracking

funkit 🐝💋🍯14:01:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yes. And months.

funkit 🐝💋🍯14:02:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I find it a little discomforting trying to figure out what I did a year ago...

funkit 🐝💋🍯14:03:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

My thinking is that doing it regularly will improve it...

funkit 🐝💋🍯14:05:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

At least I have the data secured for now.

Young14:06:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hello

Helen Grace14:53:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Who is ready to earn 1500$ with just 100$ 24hours

Kirit Virdee16:15:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hey guys ive having problems connecting to my account

Kirit Virdee16:15:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it says null as the username

Kirit Virdee16:16:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and when i try and send a transaction it mentions something about signing my private key?

kenCode16:18:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

th3_magician

hey guys ive having problems connecting to my account

please join the wallet help group here: @btsWalletHelp

Kirit Virdee16:18:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Thanks

Fuzzy17:33:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

By the same logic.. us being available on various exchanges should therefore have all those users holding BTS.. that doesn't make sense.

If a fraction of the users on each exchange add even a small amount of bts to their portfolio it makes sense. Its not about having them all do it. Its about the cumulative effect of multiples of these over time.

Fuzzy17:33:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Just cos they have 2.2m accounts doesnt mean they are active

I think this is not a helpful way of looking at it. Ever hear of the guy who never asked a date to the prom? He never went to the dance at all. He should have asked a list of girls he though might say yes knowing statistically one would say yes and surprise him. ☺️

Crypto Kong17:35:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

its realistic

Crypto Kong17:35:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

how many bitshares accounts are their vs active users

Crypto Kong17:35:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we need to be realistic

Mathew17:37:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Can we use it as an excuse / means of crowd sourcing new people into Bitshares? Maybe with a prize

Alex M - clockwork17:56:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

how many bitshares accounts are there vs active users

1.5m vs ~35000

Thule17:58:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

how many bitshares accounts are there vs active users

doesnt wirex cost a monthly fee?

Fabian Schuh17:59:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

how many bitshares accounts are there vs active users

how many hold BTS on an exchange and dont even have an account?

Fabian Schuh18:00:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

doesnt wirex cost a monthly fee?

yes, it does. it's listed in the worker which asks for 12 months of the fee

Thule18:00:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

yes, it does. it's listed in the worker which asks for 12 months of the fee

no i mean a montly subscription fee to the user......cause it would make no sense having an account on wirex and being inactiv when to have to pay a montly subscription

Thule18:01:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it was a reply to kong

Stefan18:16:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

doesnt wirex cost a monthly fee?

He means a monthly for the end customer, which makes the percentage of dead accounts likely smaller as compared to a completely free service

Crypto Kong18:34:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

how many hold BTS on an exchange and dont even have an account?

they arent bitshares users they are CEX users

Fuzzy18:34:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

they arent bitshares users they are CEX users

Cex users still are bts hodlers?

Crypto Kong18:35:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not really

Crypto Kong18:35:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they are IOU holders using a cex

Crypto Kong18:35:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they never carry out a bitshares blockchain operation so how are they bitshares users?

Fuzzy18:35:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

All i know is the top priority of most top coins is to be listed in as many places as possible

Crypto Kong18:35:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the cex is the bitshares user but anyway... getting off point lol

Fuzzy18:35:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its not the number of users gained at the time of listing so much as the aggregate over time

Fuzzy18:36:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If u only have 1 road out into a city that road cant handle more when the demand comes

Crypto Kong18:36:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yeah ive decided my stance on this is we should probably do it but its probably also gonna be a waste of money lol

Fuzzy18:36:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

yeah ive decided my stance on this is we should probably do it but its probably also gonna be a waste of money lol

Like all things

Fuzzy18:36:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Sadly nothing is guaranteed

Crypto Kong18:36:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yeah you need to take shots to score

Crypto Kong18:37:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if we dont then chance of success is zero

Fabian Schuh18:37:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

they never carry out a bitshares blockchain operation so how are they bitshares users?

you have your stake in beos, does that mean you are not a bitshares user anymore?

Fuzzy18:37:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Except ...if we do nothing we get nowhere

Crypto Kong18:37:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

you have your stake in beos, does that mean you are not a bitshares user anymore?

you presume all my bts is staked

Fuzzy18:37:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And that is something bts could benefit from considering.

Fabian Schuh18:37:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

was was making an assumption .. correct

Crypto Kong18:37:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but yes i would agree that someone staking all their bts is not currently using bitshares

Crypto Kong18:38:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

presuming they arent trading bridge.btc on cryptobridge or something like that either

Crypto Kong18:40:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

And that is something bts could benefit from considering.

agreed, i dont really see a downside to the wirex worker other than its a waste of money

Crypto Kong18:40:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it might not initially be seen as great value for money but it could be in future... maybe...

Crypto Kong18:41:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

either way... we have a reserve pool and i think we should use it

Crypto Kong18:41:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its not running out anytime soon and I dont see a long list of decent proposals that this would take funding from so... yeah

Crypto Kong18:45:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i do also think that with a co ordinated marketing campaign, highlighting the listing and other bitshares features we could start to raise some good awreness of bitshares

Crypto Kong18:45:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I noticed ryan mentioned the blockfolio signals will soon be live so thats pretty cool and will help

Fuzzy18:51:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

agreed, i dont really see a downside to the wirex worker other than its a waste of money

The boy needs to ask girls to the dance bro...sure he will be rejected...until hes not ☺️

Crypto Kong18:54:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

The boy needs to ask girls to the dance bro...sure he will be rejected...until hes not ☺️

are you reffering to alice and bob? lol

Fuzzy18:59:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lol...

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:02:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I havent heard anything BUT Alice and Bob since the BEOS scam.

adish jain19:04:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I havent heard anything BUT Alice and Bob since the BEOS scam.

So u saying that BEOS is a scam and that BEOS rainfall is a trap to collect BTS from investors?

Crypto Kong19:05:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

here we go again...

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:06:33 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

AJ_Cryptoman

So u saying that BEOS is a scam and that BEOS rainfall is a trap to collect BTS from investors?

I say it's worse, but it requires some thought to understand it.

Crypto Kong19:06:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lol

adish jain19:06:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I am heavily invested into BTS and if Beos turns into a scam then BTS price will crash to earth core as Beos is having 11% of the BTS supply.....

tbone19:06:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i see our resident Tone Vays is at it again

Crypto Kong19:07:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hahahhaha

Crypto Kong19:07:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

QUALITY

Crypto Kong19:07:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

keep it down tone

tbone19:07:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Tine Vays is one of the most intellectually lazy people i have ever seen in my life

Crypto Kong19:07:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the guy is clown

Crypto Kong19:08:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

literally calls everything thats isnt bitcoin a scam

tbone19:08:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

can you imagine going through life like that?

tbone19:09:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and just think about how much money he has lost his followers

Crypto Kong19:09:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

like a horse with blinkers

tbone19:09:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it's mind bogling

fav19:09:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Meanwhile, grass is green

Fuzzy19:13:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I say it's worse, but it requires some thought to understand it.

I think its less a scam...and more a scheme that generally harms people who dont trust the team because of other past projects that lost them money. At the same time it benefits those who dont have the trust of those community members who were harmed and lost money as the tokens those users dont get...will be distributed to founders staking their own bts and people who have not been harmed by evander holyfield and others. To add to it...trust is absolutely necessary...which i thought (perhaps erroneously) was the entire goal of crypto to design away from.

Fuzzy19:14:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But then again...i might be wrong. Maybe noone actually lost money on past projects. Maybe people dont really worry about designing trustless systems that have no need for trusted intermediaries.

Fuzzy19:15:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im always open to being proven wrong...it makes me smarter if i incorporate what i learn from new info

tbone19:15:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

find me one crypto project that did not require any trust to participate initially

bench19:16:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

yes, it does. it's listed in the worker which asks for 12 months of the fee

What happens after the 12 month, when there is no money in the worker left? Does Bitshares have to pay for maintance after 12 month?

Fuzzy19:16:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

find me one crypto project that did not require any trust to participate initially

Whaleshares needed u to prove u owned ur bts account

Fuzzy19:16:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That was all

Fuzzy19:16:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

U should learn about it

Fuzzy19:16:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It used zero knowledge proof

Fuzzy19:16:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Stakemine requires 0 trust

Fuzzy19:17:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

U should learn about it

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:17:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Whaleshares needed u to prove u owned ur bts account

This....

Fuzzy19:17:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If those are two projects that i know who is working on it...

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:17:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Is the way to do it.

Fuzzy19:17:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im sure others in crypto are doing it too

Crypto Kong19:17:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yeah but the beos team only want to drop on people who trust them

Crypto Kong19:17:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thats their choice

Fuzzy19:17:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I hope that answers ur q

Fuzzy19:18:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

yeah but the beos team only want to drop on people who trust them

Indeed. Im simply saying i might be wrong...but personally thought that was not what crypto was about

Fuzzy19:18:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

In fact its why i joined bts in the very beginning

Crypto Kong19:18:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

beos openly admits they dont fit into the typical decentralised interpretation of crypto

Fuzzy19:18:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I got tired of losing money to exchanges that required i trust them

tbone19:18:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Whaleshares needed u to prove u owned ur bts account

ok, the one exception

Fuzzy19:18:55 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I lost lots of money that way

Fuzzy19:18:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

ok, the one exception

Fuzzy19:19:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ahh i see. Keep reading

Fuzzy19:19:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😉

Crypto Kong19:19:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I just see peoples problem with beos being that they are not happy they are not getting free coins

tbone19:19:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it's the one exception. i'm not counting stakemine bc there is no stake in that as far as i know

Fuzzy19:20:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I just see peoples problem with beos being that they are not happy they are not getting free coins

Then u are wrong. At least from my standpoint

Crypto Kong19:20:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i genuinley dont see any other reason for getting so buthurt about how a private company does business

Crypto Kong19:20:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There is an offer, its very clear. send your bts to them, trust them with your bts and receive free beos

Fuzzy19:20:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

i genuinley dont see any other reason for getting so buthurt about how a private company does business

Thats because its easy to ignore the losses on past projects that were incurred because of peoples trust

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:20:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

i genuinley dont see any other reason for getting so buthurt about how a private company does business

Then you haven't heard about Bob and Alice.

Fuzzy19:21:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im not attacking...im stating unconfortable truths

tbone19:21:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ok, granted there are other airdrops. but for the most part, the successful projects over the years have required an initial investment...which required trust.

Fuzzy19:21:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What is worse...is losing money and never getting it back

Fuzzy19:21:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

ok, granted there are other airdrops. but for the most part, the successful projects over the years have required an initial investment...which required trust.

Well by all means feel free to promote what u want

Fuzzy19:21:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I promote things that require as little trust as possible on my end

Crypto Kong19:22:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

What is worse...is losing money and never getting it back

that could happen depositing with any of our gateways at any point in time, where is the uproar?

Fuzzy19:22:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

that could happen depositing with any of our gateways at any point in time, where is the uproar?

Of course it could. And i always tell people that too

Crypto Kong19:22:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

infact we encourage people to deposit coins at those gateways

Fuzzy19:22:38 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Which is also why i tell people to download their own wallet

Crypto Kong19:22:46 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

god forbid they do it on the beos gateway lol

Fuzzy19:22:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

infact we encourage people to deposit coins at those gateways

You might. I try not to

Crypto Kong19:23:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

without those gateways, bitshares is nothing

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:23:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think if a project isn't worth an investment, it should not exist. I might be harsh, but I see one token after the other go to zero. Especially on EOS.

Fuzzy19:23:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

god forbid they do it on the beos gateway lol

Hey man...im just saying people who lost lots of money on legitimate scams in the past are expected to trust...and that is not fair.

Fuzzy19:23:40 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Take offense to it or not. It is what it is

Fuzzy19:23:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I am lucky enough to get in with brownies

Fuzzy19:23:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So im not risking much

Fuzzy19:24:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im thankful for that

Crypto Kong19:24:21 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Hey man...im just saying people who lost lots of money on legitimate scams in the past are expected to trust...and that is not fair.

openledger got hacked, they proxy their votes, people lost money, do they get constantly harrased in chat?

Fuzzy19:24:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But im also not a past investor in arise or others...

Fuzzy19:24:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

openledger got hacked, they proxy their votes, people lost money, do they get constantly harrased in chat?

Yep they sure did

Crypto Kong19:24:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

everytime they do anything?

Fuzzy19:24:58 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Just like all exchanges that get hacked and lose peoples money get the people upset

Crypto Kong19:25:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

no where near on the same level

Fuzzy19:25:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its not harassment when the harassors are victims

Fuzzy19:25:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its called consequences

Fuzzy19:25:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You can look at it how u want

Fuzzy19:25:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But im done explaining further

Crypto Kong19:25:40 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

people dont have to send their bts to beos, if they lost money on arise or bcl, why do they have to send to beos?

Crypto Kong19:25:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they dont

Fuzzy19:25:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its ur money. Do what u want with it.

Crypto Kong19:25:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its simple

Crypto Kong19:25:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if you dont trust, dont send

Crypto Kong19:26:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

no one is trying to force or trick people into sending bts

Fuzzy19:26:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

people dont have to send their bts to beos, if they lost money on arise or bcl, why do they have to send to beos?

No because they likely dont have bts anymore.

tbone19:26:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

But im also not a past investor in arise or others...

no one in their right mind put more money into arise than they could afford to lose. if they did, that is their fucking problem. also, keep in mind it was the goverment who seized those funds and hasn't returned them as far as i know

Crypto Kong19:26:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so whats the problem? lol

Fuzzy19:26:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

Yep. Just like the banks

Fuzzy19:26:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its peoples problem for trusting banks

Fuzzy19:26:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But im not in a central bank tg

Fuzzy19:26:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im in bts tg

Crypto Kong19:26:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the whole beos fud is a joke, people have a choice, its up to them

Fuzzy19:26:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Somehow people forgot why ee got into this

Fuzzy19:26:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Imo

Crypto Kong19:27:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

your reasons may be different to others

Fuzzy19:27:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ill leave it at that and say that if someone doesnt want to have to trust...join wls and stakemine

Fuzzy19:27:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or check out the number of services that dont ask for trust up front

Fuzzy19:27:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They exist.

Crypto Kong19:27:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

maybe its not about services

Crypto Kong19:27:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

maybe its about getting free coins?

Fuzzy19:27:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And as tbone said...its ur fault if u lose ur money by unnecessarily risking it

Fuzzy19:28:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

maybe its about getting free coins?

Free assumes no risk

Fuzzy19:28:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

U are assuming no risk...which is incorrect...or worse..a lie

Crypto Kong19:28:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

people want free coins, they are willing to risk their bts to get them

Fuzzy19:28:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I personally hope is the firsr

Crypto Kong19:28:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

interpret free how you like that is the situation

Crypto Kong19:28:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

people are betting their bts for free beos

Fuzzy19:28:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

people want free coins, they are willing to risk their bts to get them

Stop calling it free for a start

Crypto Kong19:28:55 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what would you call it?

Fuzzy19:28:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or u risk looking like u dont know what u are talking about

Crypto Kong19:29:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what am i supposed to call something i didnt pay for?

Fuzzy19:29:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

what would you call it?

Id call it paying opportunity cost for a period of time to get coins

Fuzzy19:29:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Which it is in all honesty

Crypto Kong19:29:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

well that sounds ridiculous

Crypto Kong19:29:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we all know what the situation is so im just gonna use the word free lol

Fuzzy19:29:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

well that sounds ridiculous

Then by all means put on ur marketing cap

Fuzzy19:29:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And lie to people

Crypto Kong19:29:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lol

Fuzzy19:30:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lol..?

Fuzzy19:30:08 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Not really funny to me honestly

Fuzzy19:30:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lots of people lose alot in crypto

Crypto Kong19:30:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i cant keep a straight face lol

Fuzzy19:30:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And people laugh...

Fuzzy19:30:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

i cant keep a straight face lol

Well thats not my prob

Fuzzy19:30:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Anyway...i have no skin in this game

Crypto Kong19:30:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dude your arguing over the usage of the word free

Fuzzy19:30:58 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Take my points or demonize them

Fuzzy19:31:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Truth is truth

Wet Toast19:31:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Is there any guarantee that if something happens to the bts im risking for beos gets lost or stolen it will be replaced

Fuzzy19:31:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i3its

Is there any guarantee that if something happens to the bts im risking for beos gets lost or stolen it will be replaced

Crypto Kong19:31:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i3its

Is there any guarantee that if something happens to the bts im risking for beos gets lost or stolen it will be replaced

Fuzzy19:31:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Check terms of service

Wet Toast19:31:19 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Then it’s not free

Fuzzy19:31:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or listen to kong

tbone19:31:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Yep. Just like the banks

you're missing the point. the point is that it is utterly absurd to suggest that bc of arise no one should feel comfortable staking BTS for BEOS. yes, there ARE reasons to feel uncomfortable giving up control of your tokens. but that is another matter. i do wish there was a better way. and i also wish they would have done at least a small unconditional airdrop (say, 5%). but that is up to them. people can and should say what they think, but to keep bashing the BEOS folks over this in perpetuity is just ridiculous. and so is continuously bringing up arise.

Fuzzy19:32:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i3its

Then it’s not free

Its ok. People have to learn the hard way

Crypto Kong19:32:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

adverb adverb: free 1. without cost or payment. "ladies were admitted free" synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing, complimentary, gratis, gratuitous, at no cost; More

Fuzzy19:32:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

adverb adverb: free 1. without cost or payment. "ladies were admitted free" synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing, complimentary, gratis, gratuitous, at no cost; More

Precisely

Fuzzy19:32:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Now...look up opportunity cost and risk

Crypto Kong19:32:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

opportunity cost is speculative

Fuzzy19:32:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ohhh which makes it not a cosr

Fuzzy19:32:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cost*

Fuzzy19:32:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Got it

Crypto Kong19:32:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

nounEconomics noun: opportunity cost; plural noun: opportunity costs the loss of other alternatives when one alternative is chosen. "idle cash balances represent an opportunity cost in terms of lost interest"

Fuzzy19:33:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Anyway...again. No skin in this game. Take my points or leave them

Fuzzy19:33:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I assure u id gain much more by not saying it..

Crypto Kong19:33:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so if my bts is sat there doing nothing... there is no opportunity cost, right?

Fuzzy19:33:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I make no friends (obviously) by saying it

Fuzzy19:33:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So...

Crypto Kong19:33:46 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so it is only not free if you were using your bts for something else

Crypto Kong19:33:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

according to the dictionairy

Fuzzy19:33:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I do wish everyone luck

Wet Toast19:33:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You’re asking for something to give something else. That’s not exactly free,there is risk involved

Fuzzy19:34:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Keep those bags safe

Crypto Kong19:34:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

this conversation is bull shit lol

Crypto Kong19:34:21 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i understand the risks haha

Crypto Kong19:34:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you two are just nitpicking at my choice of word

Wet Toast19:35:18 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

No but misconstrued definition of the word free. When something is free there should be nothing asked to receive said item or goods.

Crypto Kong19:35:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i3its

You’re asking for something to give something else. That’s not exactly free,there is risk involved

i never said it was risk free

Crypto Kong19:35:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

free

Crypto Kong19:35:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i just posted its definition

Crypto Kong19:35:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

then you mentioned opportunity cost

Crypto Kong19:35:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i explained thats definition

Crypto Kong19:35:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

then you mention its not risk free, completely different, and i agree

Jonathan Bahai19:36:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

You honestly believe that there are enough people out there who just buy every shitcoin that is on binanace just because its in front of them on there? Or is it more the case that they are there to trade what they already know? I would say its tha latter.... I am on every nearly exchange and I have paid zero attention to any other tokens on there except the ones I am dealing with and know.... do you have a giant portfolio of shitcoins in your portfolio just because they showed on your screen at an exchange? Course not! Before anyone gets up in arms.. we are just another shitcoin to anyone who sees us on any exchange.... with many still not even knowing what bitshares is.

Crypto Kong19:36:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

THE BEOS ARE FREE (if your BTS is not being used for something else), gaining BEOS is not risk free

Wet Toast19:38:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Regardless it’s a risk people shouldn’t have to take imo. I personally won’t move my bts for it and that’s bc I don’t trust anyone but myself. “Free” coins aren’t worth the risk.

Crypto Kong19:39:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i3its

Regardless it’s a risk people shouldn’t have to take imo. I personally won’t move my bts for it and that’s bc I don’t trust anyone but myself. “Free” coins aren’t worth the risk.

people dont have to lol

tbone19:39:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i3its

Regardless it’s a risk people shouldn’t have to take imo. I personally won’t move my bts for it and that’s bc I don’t trust anyone but myself. “Free” coins aren’t worth the risk.

if your only reason not to acquire BEOS now is the trust factor, then you can buy them on the open market when the time comes. that is your choice. everyone is free to make their own choices. but the bashing should stop

Crypto Kong19:40:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so beos team should speand 700k or whatever building it and just give it out to anyone who thinks they deserve it lol

Crypto Kong19:40:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

because you dont want to trust them?

Crypto Kong19:40:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lol

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:40:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

It won't stop before they stop voting for them.

Wet Toast19:41:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

That is a more honest option after everyone dumps their free beos if it even gets that far...

Crypto Kong19:41:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i will be making beos markets so... i look forward to any dumps lol

Crypto Kong19:41:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i actually cannot friggin wait

bench19:44:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Any alternatives to the wirex worker for Marketing and On/Off ramps? What I like about Wirex is they already have a lot of crypto users and new potential cryptousers already pay for a credit card. We need a statement about fees and how liquidity is provided (DEX).

Crypto Kong19:45:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

Any alternatives to the Wirex worker for Marketing and On/Off ramps? What I like about Wirex is they already have a lot of crypto users and new potential cryptousers already pay for a credit card. We need a statement about fees and how liquidity is provided (DEX).

sir we are trying to having a beos fight to the death here

Crypto Kong19:46:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

what do you mean we need a statement about fees and how liquidity is provided?

bench19:47:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

How much does Wirex charge for fees and will there be some extra liquidity?

Crypto Kong19:48:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what do you mean will there be extra liquidity?

Crypto Kong19:48:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fees are in terms and conditions

Crypto Kong19:48:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not an exact amount for crypto though... depends on liquidity on the exchange the use to facilitate your exchange

Crypto Kong19:49:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you could suffer different amounts of slippage everytime you use it

Fabien19:49:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hello there, is there an admin i can talk to?

Crypto Kong19:49:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and seeing as BTS is far less liquid that BTC and they would likely have to trade BTS>BTC>USD you will likely suffer 2x slippage

Crypto Kong19:50:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so expect fees to be quite a bit more than avg BTC fees

bench19:50:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

and seeing as BTS is far less liquid than BTC and they would likely have to trade BTS>BTC>USD you will likely suffer 2x slippage

Yeah so they could trade with bitAssets and save a lot fo money

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:51:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

FabienDAMG

hello there, is there an admin i can talk to?

About what?

Crypto Kong19:51:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

Yeah so they could trade with bitAssets and save a lot fo money

Crypto Kong19:51:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i dont really understand how that would help

Crypto Kong19:51:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you hold BTS in your wallet

Crypto Kong19:51:38 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you buy a beer

Crypto Kong19:51:46 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you pay in £

Fabien19:51:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

About what?

pm ing you

Crypto Kong19:52:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they sell your BTS for BTC then sell BTC for GBP

Crypto Kong19:52:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

GBP is then sent to beer vendor

Crypto Kong19:52:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so the exchange rate you get will include the slippage of two different market trades

Crypto Kong19:52:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

plus their fee

bench19:53:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the problem is there is no direct bitAsset/FIAT exchange without BTC right ?

Crypto Kong19:53:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its irrelevant... theres no liquidity on bitAssets anyway

Crypto Kong19:54:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

only on CNY and wirex not available in china

Crypto Kong19:56:58 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Something that could potentially help the situation is if they were willing to disclose which exchange they will use to carry out BTS exchanges and then we raise a worker for a market making effort on that exchange to reduce slippage

tbone19:57:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if we want bitUSD to become more liquid, it would be helpul to have more ways to use it. having more BTS on/off ramps will help in that regard

Crypto Kong19:58:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

someones still got to create it in the first place but yeah i see your point, more people might be willing to borrow it against their bts if they could spend it

Crypto Kong19:59:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

worker for online bitshares shop that only accepts smartcoins?

Thule19:59:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Something that could potentially help the situation is if they were willing to disclose which exchange they will use to carry out BTS trades and then we raise a worker for a market making effort on that exchange to reduce slippage

you should care less about liquidity now and better prepare bitshares for the next bull run/ mass volume...... Who do you wanna compete with when bitshares won't have any features like most other coins already offer

Mathew19:59:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

We should all sit down and the weekend and scribble out a 'if I had $200k to invest in improving Bitshares price what would I do?' I agree we remain a shitcoin to most people and that won't be corrected by listing with Wirex. I do think 'make BTS easy to buy' should be an early item on our roadmap moving forward. As to making people actually want to buy - let's get some ideas together.

Mathew19:59:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I'd like to think we'd have a range of good ideas among the group

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:00:46 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Keep buidling

Crypto Kong20:00:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

I agree... just suggesting a way to keep people using the expensive feature we plan to implement, cos like jonathan said... they will stop using it once they realise how much its costing

Thule20:01:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thats nonsense

Thule20:01:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

should there a bull run come

Thule20:01:28 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

than prices will raise quickly and with that liquidity of bitassets too

Crypto Kong20:01:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so you think people will keep spending bts on their shopping everytime they make a 10% loss on their purchases?

Thule20:01:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you will have again big volume trades on DEX and other exchanges

Crypto Kong20:01:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

are we even talking about the same thing? lol

Thule20:02:07 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

create first onramp gateways which is wirex offering

Stefan20:02:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

so you think people will keep spending bts on their shopping everytime they make a 10% loss on their purchases?

10%? Where do you get that?

Crypto Kong20:02:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

10%? Where do you get that?

random number

Thule20:02:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

myself i have to spend way more currently to convert BTS to fiat than what wirex will deduct

Crypto Kong20:03:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

myself i have to spend way more currently to convert BTS to fiat than what wirex will deduct

how much does it cost currently?

Thule20:03:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and about the stress i do not wanna to talk

Crypto Kong20:03:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cos for me to go via the coinbase binance route it works out about 5%

Thule20:03:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dex bts to open.btc .open.btc via gateway to my cell

Thule20:03:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

with my cell 1h to an bitcoin atm

Thule20:03:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

at atm again 4%

Crypto Kong20:03:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bitcoin atm?

Crypto Kong20:04:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

where bouts are you?

Thule20:04:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yes

Crypto Kong20:04:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

never even seen one of them lol

Thule20:04:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

currently in poland but that same company is also placing atm's in england

Crypto Kong20:04:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

oh cool

Crypto Kong20:04:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ok well at least we will have one user 😜

Mathew20:05:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I agree... just suggesting a way to keep people using the expensive feature we plan to implement, cos like jonathan said... they will stop using it once they realise how much its costing

Come and join me at Wirex! Sign up, buy some crypto using your credit/debit card, and we'll both earn free Bitcoin! https://wirexapp.com/r/matle85

Mathew20:06:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Everyone has that referral link and I'll plug all the $10 referrals into BTS

tbone20:06:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we can speculate about the % cost of using Wirex as an off-ramp. but clearly people are going that route, otherwise Wirex wouldnt still exist, right?

Mathew20:06:11 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What a pump 🤔

Mathew20:06:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You get 0.5% crytoback on purchases...doesn't equate to much but more useful than air miles

Crypto Kong20:06:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

we can speculate about the % cost of using Wirex as an off-ramp. but clearly people are going that route, otherwise Wirex wouldnt still exist, right?

i expect it to be between 5-10% but yeah, its all specualtion

Thule20:07:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

never even seen one of them lol

the old one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnYRF8uk83Q

Crypto Kong20:07:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

imagine buying a beer and your trade goes through right at the bottom of a big red wick lol

Thule20:08:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the new one which are now also placed in UK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exVegeNqt2c

Crypto Kong20:08:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

the old one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnYRF8uk83Q

cool thanks

Crypto Kong20:08:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Everyone has that referral link and I'll plug all the $10 referrals into BTS

I have no intention of using one of these cards lol

tbone20:08:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

i expect it to be between 5-10% but yeah, its all specualtion

right. but my point is that the Wirex decision doesn't require speculating about the on/off costs. and market research will tell you zero

Crypto Kong20:09:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

agreed

Mathew20:09:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I have no intention of using one of these cards lol

Damn...I was hoping for 8,199 referrals from this room. 8,198 now 😔

Stefan20:09:55 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

imagine buying a beer and your trade goes through right at the bottom of a big red wick lol

I highly doubt the are trading directly, I imagine the.have buffers

Crypto Kong20:10:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Damn...I was hoping for 8,199 referrals from this room. 8,198 now 😔

you have unrealistic expectations lol

Crypto Kong20:10:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I highly doubt the are trading directly, I imagine the.have buffers

dunno...

Crypto Kong20:10:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

how much would you expect them to hold?

Mathew20:11:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

How odd, different numbers

Mathew20:12:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The new version of telegramX also tells you the number online

Mathew20:12:07 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

317 of us apparently

tbone20:12:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@sschiessl for $250k, couldn't Wirex integrate with the DEX and offer direct bitAsset on/off ramp instead of just BTS?

Stefan20:13:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

how much would you expect them to hold?

I expect / guess <3% fee, as for buffer holding I would guess it depends on typical turnover rates

Thule20:13:07 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

against which asset do you want to exchange these assets ?

Crypto Kong20:13:53 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I expect / guess <3% fee, as for buffer holding I would guess it depends on typical turnover rates. I am getting actual number

it would be good if you could get an estimation from them, if this was the case I would probably use it

Crypto Kong20:15:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but your right, their system is most probably a little more complex than market buying on binance lol

tbone20:15:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

against which asset do you want to exchange these assets on dex on current volume ?

i'm sure we could substantially beef up at least the open.BTC:bitUSD order book

Crypto Kong20:15:27 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

either way there will be spreads etc

tbone20:16:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if people are using it, more people should make the market

Thule20:17:38 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

if more people are using it, more people should make the market

with open.btc you would need to make 2 transaction to change BTS into a stablecoin and BitUSD/BTS has no deep order book at all.

tbone20:18:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

with open.btc you would need to make 2 transaction to change BTS into a stablecoin and BitUSD/BTS has no deep order book at all.

Wirex would just need to get from bitUSD to BTC, from which they can then get to fiat in the same way they do right now

Stefan20:19:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Listing any bitasset is not on the table and no short term possibility (legal letter first)

Thule20:20:10 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

did you saw the volume and spread on bitusd/open.btc ? It would also require 2 transactions and BTC is also no stable coin so they would need it to exchange a third time

tbone20:20:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

is legal letter in progress?

John Jones20:20:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Q for all: What would you consider deep? What slippage is acceptable?

Stefan20:20:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

jmjatlanta

Q for all: What would you consider deep? What slippage is acceptable?

Reference?

Thule20:20:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

jmjatlanta

Q for all: What would you consider deep? What slippage is acceptable?

as smaller as cheaper the wirex fee will be

John Jones20:21:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

with open.btc you would need to make 2 transaction to change BTS into a stablecoin and BitUSD/BTS has no deep order book at all.

Reference to my "deep orderbook" question ^^

tbone20:22:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thuleeee

did you saw the volume and spread on bitusd/open.btc ? It would also require 2 transactions and BTC is also no stable coin so they would need it to exchange a third time

to be direct off-ramp for bitUSD (instead of BTS), Wirex would just need a market to get from bitUSD to BTC (and then they exhange BTC for fiat as they already do). i get that open.BTC:bitUSD is not inc redibly liquid. but i'm saying it can be improved, esppecially if more people start using it, someone will make that market.

tbone20:23:02 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Listing any bitasset is not on the table and no short term possibility (legal letter first)

is legal letter in progress?

Thule20:23:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

to be direct off-ramp for bitUSD (instead of BTS), Wirex would just need a market to get from bitUSD to BTC (and then they exhange BTC for fiat as they already do). i get that open.BTC:bitUSD is not incredibly liquid. but i'm saying it can be improved, especially if more people start using it, someone will make that market.

you can't list bitusd without a legal letter.....

Stefan20:25:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

is legal letter in progress?

Yes, as much as possible with available funds

Stefan20:26:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

is legal letter in progress?

Johnr from committee is looking into it and others are seeking to aquire funding to.extend the efforts

tbone20:29:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Johnr from committee is looking into it and others are seeking to aquire funding to.extend the efforts

i see. btw, i assume they needed a legal letter for BTS, which we already had?

bench20:30:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The easiest thing for Wirex would be to trade BTS direct to FIAT with the FIAT from people, who wanna buy BTS, but this is not the case ?

Thule20:31:40 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

The easiest thing for Wirex would be to trade BTS direct to FIAT with the FIAT from people, who wanna buy BTS, but this is not the case ?

huobi offers BTS/USDT and have a nice orderbook

Stefan20:33:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

The easiest thing for Wirex would be to trade BTS direct to FIAT with the FIAT from people, who wanna buy BTS, but this is not the case ?

Any statement in that regards is speculation as its their internal business practice. It would make sense to buffer

Stefan20:33:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i see. btw, i assume they needed a legal letter for BTS, which we already had?

Yes, and luckily our letter is from a law firm they approve

bench20:35:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

At the end do we get better BTS/FIAT pairs or paying only high fees ?

tbone20:36:12 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Yes, and luckily our letter is from a law firm they approve

👍

Hell Rider20:36:43 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFZGhxidHH60WaGFcw

Crypto Kong20:44:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Yes, and luckily our letter is from a law firm they approve

nice

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)21:01:14 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

find me one crypto project that did not require any trust to participate initially

THIS ^^^

Young21:12:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hi all

Fuzzy21:13:01 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

liondani

THIS ^^^

Keep reading then

Fuzzy21:13:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im stunned how few people actually realize when legitimate things are done...

Fuzzy21:14:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Either way...dyor

Fuzzy21:14:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Make sure to support the opposite and ignore the legit stuff exisrs

Crypto Kong21:15:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Are you just upset that no one cares about whaleshares?

Fuzzy21:15:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I knoe kong. Its "free"

Fuzzy21:15:44 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Not risk free...but free

Crypto Kong21:15:47 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lol

Fuzzy21:15:55 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cognitive dissonance in da house

Fuzzy21:16:06 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Enjoy it. I dont.

Crypto Kong21:16:39 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Well you keep comparing beos to whaleshares and moan how no one recognises a legit project

Fuzzy21:17:15 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Well you keep comparing beos to whaleshares and moan how no one recognises a legit project

I moan?

Fuzzy21:17:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lol

Fuzzy21:17:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We got evander holyfield on whaleshares soon btw

Fuzzy21:17:38 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Gonna be amazing

Crypto Kong21:17:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Nice maybe people will start to give a shit lol

Fuzzy21:18:09 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What i do...is call out people who want newbies to risk money unnecessarily

Fuzzy21:18:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Demonize me for it.

Fuzzy21:18:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Totally fine

Fuzzy21:18:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its not on my conscience

Fuzzy21:18:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Keep the lie going. Apparently that is crypto

Crypto Kong21:18:51 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dont take it to heart bro, just voicing my opinion like you

Fuzzy21:19:00 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And hey...make sure to call the truth tellers names

Fuzzy21:19:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And make them seem crazy

Fuzzy21:19:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Just like the elites i thought we were supposed to be disrupting do

Fuzzy21:19:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But also make sure to claim otherwise

Fuzzy21:19:52 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ignorance gets people nowhere

funkit 🐝💋🍯21:21:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ignorance is so soothing.

Fuzzy21:24:35 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

War is peace. Ignorance is strength?

Fuzzy21:24:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Sounds right

Fuzzy21:24:54 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I cant wait til beos pamps and they tell everyone im an asshole

Fuzzy21:24:56 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lol

Fuzzy21:25:03 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I wonder how it would pamp...

Fuzzy21:25:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Whar craaaazy conspiracy might cause that??? 😂

funkit 🐝💋🍯21:25:21 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Loll

Fuzzy21:25:29 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Get ur bills people

Fuzzy21:25:45 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Apparently self respect and caring for others is not what this is about after al

Fuzzy21:26:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Time to go watch my bible lectures...afk.

Crypto Kong21:27:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Zzzz...

Fuzzy21:27:26 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Zzzz...

Indeed.

funkit 🐝💋🍯21:27:30 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Tho salt do whaleshares! Fuzzy 16:32

Fuzzy21:27:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We agree there

Fuzzy21:28:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Tho shalt do whaleshares! Fuzzy 16:32

Nae man. Not me...an entire team who stood up for me being censored and demonitized on steem

Fuzzy21:28:16 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

After whaleshares turned magically into a smt whitepaper

Fuzzy21:28:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And the people i thought i supported for years...ignored the sad circumstances

funkit 🐝💋🍯21:28:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Oh that, yes. Luckily i was quite ignorant of it.

Fuzzy21:29:25 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its what it is.

Fuzzy21:29:59 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I only say it because i am tired of good people trusting people who prefer to lie to them

Fuzzy21:30:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Why i joined bts before it was bts...

Fuzzy21:30:32 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I get it though. There is no money in doing good

Fuzzy21:31:13 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And the next fool is always in line ready to support the predators

Jonathan Bahai21:32:46 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

I get it though. There is no money in doing good

Kiva makes money and does good

Fuzzy21:32:55 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Im crazy though. Seriously dont listen to crazy fuzzy. Hes actually so evil he hacked an exchange he funded so he could sell into his own buy orders...and then take all the sold tokens back. Its allll there. Dirty bastard. He will have an accident someday

Fuzzy21:33:24 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

🥰

Fuzzy21:33:34 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Poor people

Fuzzy21:33:46 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They are poor because they refuse to wake up

Fuzzy21:34:17 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its only the "real world" because noone gives a shit

Fuzzy21:34:37 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Make that money everyone. That is the only goal that matters

Fuzzy21:34:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

No cost...is to high

Young21:38:23 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Anyone here to dm

funkit 🐝💋🍯21:47:05 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I had a nice talk with @AJ_Cryptoman Apparently he is still on a central exchange. With more knowledge and confidence he will move to the dex. I hope so anyway.

Young21:47:48 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Thomas Scott21:55:22 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Visit www.thomascotrading.com for your account management services

tbone22:43:21 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i sincerely appreciate your efforts, fuzzy. but i can't stand that you have such a chip on your shoulder and feel the need to **continuously** bash others (who have also put forth great efforts) in order to elevate yourself in the eyes of the community

manfred klaus22:51:20 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)23:02:50 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Keep reading then

I admit that WLS had distributed the tokens without needing trust and that is optimal. But that makes not any other token distribution a scam. Actually its a super opportunity since we know most BEOS members and Dannot securing the funds should be a no brainer considering he managed to secure so many years blocktrades funds...my bts 3 months under his responsibility was not a difficult decision for me... If you don't believe in the project just don't buy more after the lock period.

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽23:16:07 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

liondani

It is the worst possible distribution in history. Period. And no, I didn’t say danno don’t know how to manage a cold wallet. It is the shift in voting rights that is downright dangerous. The committee is soon a tea party for sock puppets. And delegates has to suck it up to get a chance to do their job. Just wait till bitcrab gets a similar idea. Just to undercollateralize his beloved CNY. You have to be crazy to even think of supporting the house of cards.

Loni Barret23:33:42 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hi guys

Young23:34:31 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Young23:37:41 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Young23:37:49 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Young23:37:58 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hello

Young23:38:04 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lonibarret

Hi guys

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)23:52:36 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I don't mind they have voting super power as long their decisions are benefiting BTS as they stated many times... Nobody can stop me take my funds out of their gateway if I see they vote for unreasonable worker proposals, but I will not as long as they honour their initial statement.

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽23:58:58 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

liondani

And who is to determine what benefits bitshares? The “godfather”? His sidekick “pinky”? I’ll tell you what: this is the playbook of the Soviet state. And it gives every bitcoin maximalist the opportunity to say “I told you so”.

Fuzzy23:59:57 - 30 Apr 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i sincerely appreciate your efforts, fuzzy. but i can't stand that you have such a chip on your shoulder and feel the need to incessantly bash others (who have also put forth great efforts) in order to elevate yourself in the eyes of the community

I love how u call it bashing...when im warning newbies

Fuzzy00:01:59 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Frame it however u want...

Fuzzy00:02:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

liondani

Show me where i called it a scam.

Fuzzy00:02:43 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I said it is dangerous and past patterns should concern people

Fuzzy00:02:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

This is basic stuff guys

Fuzzy00:03:20 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im kind of stunned it needs such depth of discussion

Fuzzy00:03:39 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I wont say that...

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)00:03:47 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

WE will determine if they take proper decisions... If they don't listen the community they will loose very soon the current voting power... If they do... Their voring power will increase even further...

Fuzzy00:04:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But i will say it doesnt right past wrongs and i personally see little reason to risk it

Fuzzy00:04:20 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

No need to call names

Fuzzy00:04:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It is counter productive

Fuzzy00:04:52 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I understand the frustration though

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:05:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It’s not my names. I’ve been godfathered enough 🤪

Van00:05:22 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

But i will say it doesnt right past wrongs and i personally see little reason to risk it

That’s the best approach to take

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:06:13 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

liondani

We? I can’t even get into their super secret boys club

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:07:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Like you would expect from a paternalistic regime

Fuzzy00:08:11 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

liondani

U already did on steem too

Fuzzy00:09:01 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Id imagine steems upvoting records would paint an interesting picture for those so inclined to see how it harmed bts.

Fuzzy00:09:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And who didnt care.

Fuzzy00:09:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

It’s not my names. I’ve been godfathered enough 🤪

Again...i understand the frustration

Fuzzy00:09:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I just dont think its helping for us to stray from the most salient and obvious of points

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:11:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It’s most definitively straying is away from a dac and dans idea of an autonomous company

Fuzzy00:12:11 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

It’s most definitively straying us away from a dac and dans idea of an autonomous company

Well it exists...no need to attack it. But it is worth it to warn newbies of the dangers

Fuzzy00:12:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Its the least we can do

Fuzzy00:12:54 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Sadly it shouldnt be the responsibility of good people who only lose friends and make enemies for calling it out though

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:13:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

As a noob, I have seen similar things in the stock market. Where such things are regulated and dealt with at least some times.

Fuzzy00:14:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I guess throughout history this is the rule rather than the exception however...

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:14:18 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

No doubt

Fuzzy00:14:20 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

As a noob, I have seen similar things in the stock market. Where such things are regulated and dealt with at least some times.

Yep...lets let people beg for regulation

Fuzzy00:14:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Lets help create the demand side of the hegelian dialectic

Fuzzy00:14:52 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Who knows...maybe get paid for it secretly behind the scenes?

Fuzzy00:14:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Anything is possible...

Fuzzy00:15:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Who knows...maybe get paid for it secretly behind the scenes?

To be clear im speculating

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:15:30 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Sometimes regs are good

Fuzzy00:15:31 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But also to be clear...its certainly in the range of possibility

Fuzzy00:15:51 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Sometimes regs are good

I just want to help prove we dont need the heavy hands of regs

Fuzzy00:16:01 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Thus...@stakemine

Fuzzy00:16:24 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It was once....reallllly cool to think this way.

Fuzzy00:16:30 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But i guess thats 10 years ago

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:16:40 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But I doubt they are able to regulate without destroying the beauty of dans creation

Fuzzy00:16:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im getting old and times are changing?

Fuzzy00:17:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

But I doubt they are able to regulate without destroying the beauty of dans creation

We all help or hinder good things

Fuzzy00:17:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Every action we take decides our fate

Fuzzy00:17:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I just hope my son lives in a world that is more free...so i dont need to worry when my time comes.

Fuzzy00:17:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Ultimate wealth^

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)00:30:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

We? I can’t even get into their super secret boys club

WE is anybody that has moved bts to beos gateway. You could be also included theoretically :)

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽00:35:15 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

liondani

WE is anybody that has moved bts to beos gateway. You could be also included theoretically :)

I’m banned. I say the bloody truth. I’m no backscratcher. I fight so there will be a decentralized company to go to also tomorrow.

Fuzzy00:35:44 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I’m banned. I say the bloody truth. I’m no backscratcher. I fight so there will be a decentralized company to go to also tomorrow.

That...would make us rich...and would also make may others rich

Fuzzy00:36:14 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im betting it would also create an army to protect us from bad actors who want to cause harm

Daniel Schwarz (liondani)00:36:31 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

U already did on steem too

I am not following you. Please give some help.

Fuzzy00:36:32 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And probably open up more opportunity for the masses to trust and join us

Fuzzy00:37:47 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

liondani

I am not following you. Please give some help.

Where were u on the censorship i endured...or the attacks?

Fuzzy00:38:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Where were u when we were working on solutions to it?

Fuzzy00:38:15 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

These are things i prefer not to get into

Fuzzy00:38:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But it is all there...

Fuzzy00:38:46 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Again though...that mtters little atm

Fuzzy00:39:13 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

All ill say

Fuzzy00:39:43 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Is alot of people who claimed to care...lost their minds when steems God emperor started flexinf

Fuzzy00:39:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And did and said nothing

Fuzzy00:40:12 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Not all...but the majority

Fuzzy00:41:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I spent 4 years of my life working fulltime and doing hangouts to give a voice to all of u...on that premise

Fuzzy00:42:01 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Even took down my witness when asked to give it up for devs

Fuzzy00:42:19 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Stan said he was ashamed of me...

Fuzzy00:42:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Somehow i cant help but think maybe he is confused...maybe most of u are.

Wehrrr00:49:14 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Fuzzy is weird, but I like this guy. And for real steem is so bad without people like him

Wehrrr00:49:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

He helped to show BTS to so many people

Fuzzy00:57:01 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Werhhh

Fuzzy is weird, but I like this guy. And for real steem is so bad without people like him

Im not on steem anymore

Fuzzy00:57:05 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Fyi

Fuzzy00:57:28 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im on whaleshares after ned paid someone to magically turn whaleshares into his smt whitepaper

Fuzzy00:57:40 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

😘

Fuzzy00:58:01 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But ONLY because some amazing people saw me getting hurt...and cradled by baby ass

Fuzzy00:58:11 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

With their tech chops

Fuzzy00:58:59 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

As i said...time is a great teacher...

Fuzzy00:59:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If ur open to listening

Fuzzy00:59:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

😉

Fuzzy00:59:32 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

We even have boid as a whale token for crosschain love

Fuzzy00:59:56 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Creating crosschain value since 2017 ☺️

Fuzzy01:00:08 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Maybe 16... 😅

Michael01:00:31 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I'll unban you in the channel if you would like to discuss BEOS at @officialbeos If you want to discuss only BEOS voting you can join @beosvoting

Fuzzy01:00:35 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Because where they wanted to destroy...we wanted to collaborate

Wehrrr01:03:19 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Im on whaleshares after ned paid someone to magically turn whaleshares into his smt whitepaper

SMTs are happening still? I thought they are changing icons from a flag to a downvote or something

Michael01:03:39 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

@funkit I Unbanned you from the BEOS channel, If you have some discussion that you'd like to have their to feel free to come ask questions. BEOS also has a voting channel if you want to join that and discuss the BEOS voting slate.

Fuzzy01:17:43 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Werhhh

SMTs are happening still? I thought they are changing icons from a flag to a downvote or something because that's the only thing they can manage to do

Naw...

Fuzzy01:17:56 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Well yes...they are just STILL called whaleshares

Fuzzy01:18:12 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And not on steem.

Stan Larimer02:08:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

i have always been a big fan and strong supporter of Fuzzy. I even had him on Crypto Connie with me. I'm disappointed that he has decided to do grave damage to my latest project by implying that I have an obligation to "right past wrongs". Presumably wrongs associated with AriseBank and Bitcoin Latina. But I have no responsibility for the SEC fraudulently stealing all the assets of arise bank and continuing to hold them till this day. Nobody invested a penny in Arise bank due to any endorsement from me - I merely defended Jared against unfair fudslinging which I believe brought the SEC down on his project hurting all investors. And I have no responsibility that John Gotts went rogue and stole back the tokens we had helped him set up in good faith. I was the first to blow the whistle on him the day he went rogue. (See Steemit "John Gotts just violated the crypto "Code of the Hills"." So Fuzzy, please, lay off your grossly unfair hints and innuendos trying to imply to "newbies" that they can't trust my projects. I have been a full time advocate of BitShares since we started the project on July 4, 2013. BitShares holders absolutely can trust that we will always do our best.

Fuzzy02:12:26 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

StanLarimer

Stan...i am not sure what u mean.

Stan Larimer02:13:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It's pretty clear Fuzzy.

Fuzzy02:13:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I am not sure about anything but saying u shouldnt ask for trust when ur past choices of things to support have harmed people

Fuzzy02:13:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If u think im implying that

tbone02:13:54 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

fuzzy, you are the master of obfuscation

Fuzzy02:13:59 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Then im more than implying ut

Fuzzy02:14:12 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im saying it again outright

Fuzzy02:14:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

New users...trust at your own risk

Fuzzy02:14:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

@stan...im dissappointed u feel the need to hint at threats for me saying this

Fuzzy02:14:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

When we both knoe

tbone02:14:55 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

and honestly, devoid of all logic

Fuzzy02:15:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

When we both know trust should not be necessary

Fuzzy02:15:15 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

and honestly, devoid of all logic

Great "honest" point

Fuzzy02:15:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Is that implying?

Fuzzy02:15:31 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Nope...

Fuzzy02:15:33 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Its honest

Stan Larimer02:15:39 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And I'm saying you are being grossly unfair. I am not responsible for every bad thing that happens. Bad things caused by bad people other than me.

Fuzzy02:15:51 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Keep preaching stan...i simply ask u to live by ut

Stan Larimer02:15:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

You are dishonest fuzzy. And I'm calling you out on it.

Stan Larimer02:16:14 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Shame on you.

Fuzzy02:16:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

StanLarimer

You are dishonest fuzzy. And I'm calling you out on it.

Welll sounds good

Fuzzy02:16:21 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Shammmme on me

Fuzzy02:16:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

;)

Fuzzy02:16:44 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Now i understand..u were telling me we werent friends anymore

Fuzzy02:16:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Not the other way around

Fuzzy02:17:00 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Thanks for the clarification

Stan Larimer02:17:38 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Friends don't assasinate friends reputations.

Fuzzy02:17:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

StanLarimer

Friends don't assasinate friends reputations.

Assassinate?

F👽

funkit 👽👽👽02:17:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I believe you give credit to this guy, “godfather”

Fuzzy02:17:59 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

U blame ME for hurting ur rep?

Fuzzy02:18:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Ur allstars did that good sur

tbone02:18:22 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

@fuzzy it's fine to give your opinion that it shouldn't be necessary to trust anyone with your crypto. but it's unreasonable and unfair to make the case that they are not worthy of trust

Fuzzy02:18:24 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Blame them...they were the ones paid

tbone02:18:35 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

and to keep making it over and over

Fuzzy02:18:45 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

@fuzzy it's fine to give your opinion that it shouldn't be necessary to trust anyone with your crypto. but it's unreasonable and unfair to make the case that they are not worthy of trust

Is it?

Fuzzy02:19:08 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

So are u now telling me noone has lost substantial money on stans past projects?

tbone02:19:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

and then each time you make the case, to point out "that's why there's stakemine". give me break

Fuzzy02:19:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If so...please provide proof here

tbone02:19:32 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

it's getting kind of nauseating

Fuzzy02:19:35 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Otherwise u deserve no words. I hope to God u prove me wrong

Fuzzy02:19:43 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

it's getting kind of nauseating

Indeed

Fuzzy02:20:24 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

and then each time you make the case, to point out "that's why there's stakemine". give me break

Ohhhh i cant show people how REAL design choices can protect people...so they know its possible?

Fuzzy02:20:54 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I cant respond to tbone asking me me to show they exist?

Fuzzy02:21:04 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Very interesting.

Fuzzy02:21:08 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And telling...

tbone02:21:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

and to give this santimonious bullshit like you did earlier implying that anyone who doesn't fully appreciate your projects is ONLY in it for the money. you should watch you fucking mouth

Fuzzy02:21:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Lets keep going around in circles everyone

Fuzzy02:21:56 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Logical fallacies abundant in the world of cognitive dissonanc3

tbone02:22:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

so delusioinal

Fuzzy02:22:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

so delusional

Indeed

tbone02:23:04 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

and this all coming from someone who shills Worbli? LOL

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funkit 👽👽👽02:24:06 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

and to give this santimonious bullshit like you did earlier implying that anyone who doesn't fully appreciate your projects is ONLY in it for the money. you should watch your fucking mouth

Kindly watch the language please.

Fuzzy02:24:28 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

find me one crypto project that did not require any trust to participate initially

DELUSIONAL

Fuzzy02:24:28 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Shills worbli?

Fuzzy02:24:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Show me shilling worbli

Fuzzy02:24:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

As a matter of fact i have told worbli peeps the same thing

Fuzzy02:25:02 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I have had issues with them promising people would control their identities...then storing it on a secure aws instance

Fuzzy02:25:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Go ask

tbone02:25:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

you are on thre payroll of a company that is SHADY as hell

Fuzzy02:25:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

find me one crypto project that did not require any trust to participate initially

But my point is ...

Fuzzy02:25:22 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Right here atm

Fuzzy02:25:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I responded to YOU

Fuzzy02:25:33 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

THEN u attack me for showing u stakemine?

Fuzzy02:25:45 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I am sure that was total accident

Fuzzy02:25:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But its all good

tbone02:25:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

don't you dare insult my intelligence

Fuzzy02:26:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Cognitive dissonancr is a bitch

Fuzzy02:26:10 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

don't you dare insult my intelligence

I dont need to 😂

Fuzzy02:26:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Its right there...called truth

Fuzzy02:26:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If truth offends u

Fuzzy02:26:28 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

By allll means be offended

Fuzzy02:26:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Anyway

tbone02:26:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Stan was right, you epitomizeoshonesty

Fuzzy02:26:44 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im out for now

Fuzzy02:26:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I have family who cares about mr

Fuzzy02:27:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Instead of building value

Fuzzy02:27:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

Stan was right, you epitomize dishonesty

Keep it coming bro.

Fuzzy02:27:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If u hate it...prove me wrong

Fuzzy02:27:24 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

That will "get me"

tbone02:27:24 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

you have yourself fooled

Fuzzy02:27:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

you have yourself fooled

Yep...into believing in some semblence of human decency

tbone02:27:51 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

toxic

Fuzzy02:28:20 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

and then each time you make the case, to point out "that's why there's stakemine". give me break

Interesting

Fuzzy02:28:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

toxic

Indeed.

Fuzzy02:28:36 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Toxic to liars

Fuzzy02:28:47 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Instead of drama

Fuzzy02:28:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Prove me wrong

Fuzzy02:28:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Id love it

Fuzzy02:28:57 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Honestly

Fuzzy02:29:05 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It means no good newbs hurt

Fuzzy02:29:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Ill take a hit to my rep for that any day

Fuzzy02:29:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Prove it boys

Fuzzy02:29:26 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Please

tbone02:36:14 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

prove what? that you're toxic and in the middle of every single drama around here? that you're obfuscator in chief? that you shill the most shady project in the EOS ecosystem? that you shamelessly plug stakemine EVERY single time you bash BEOS? that you pretend it was anyone but the govt that made off with arise funds? and today you tried to pretend staking to the REX will require people to "send" their EOS somewhere...and then of course your "that's why there's stakemine" plug followed as usual

Virtual Growth02:37:10 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

🤔

tbone02:37:56 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

i don't mind the idea of plugging stakemine. but it's gross the way you do it

tbone02:38:13 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

shameful

Fuzzy02:38:20 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i don't mind the idea of plugging stakemine. but it's gross the way you do it

In response to u asking for me to show a Single project that doesnt require trust?

Fuzzy02:38:31 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

U mean like u didnt ask me to prove it?

tbone02:38:33 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Fuzzy02:38:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Do ur own research so i dont have to

tbone02:38:39 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

you do it CONSTANTLY

Fuzzy02:38:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im certain u will keep this up

tbone02:38:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

it took a lot for me to say anything

Fuzzy02:39:02 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

it took a lot for me to say anything

And when u did u showed ignorance

Fuzzy02:39:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Now u cover it up by attacking me

Fuzzy02:39:11 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Classy

tbone02:39:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

riiight

Fuzzy02:39:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Ohhh i have not shown proof

Fuzzy02:39:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Ok...lol

Fuzzy02:39:40 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Shameful me...

Fuzzy02:39:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Evil bastard drama fuzzy who kept his mouth shut too long

Fuzzy02:40:00 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

While people lost money

Fuzzy02:40:11 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Of course noone will tell me THATS not true

Fuzzy02:40:18 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If so...if love to screenshot it

Fuzzy02:40:28 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Consider saying it

Fuzzy02:41:06 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

We could ethically taje over crypto with this tech and save people who need it

Fuzzy02:41:19 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

But we dont want to leave the pond

Fuzzy02:41:38 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Sorry ...

Fuzzy02:44:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Oh...and @fav u deserve a public apology from me

Fuzzy02:44:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

U warned me many times. I was blind to trust too much

Fuzzy02:44:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

U endured alot alone because i didnt believe it.

Fuzzy02:44:57 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im sorry

tbone02:45:05 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

puke

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funkit 👽👽👽02:45:19 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

prove what? that you're toxic and in the middle of every single drama around here? that you're obfuscator in chief? that you shill the most shady project in the EOS ecosystem? that you shamelessly plug stakemine EVERY single time you bash BEOS? that you pretend it was anyone but the govt that made off with arise funds? and that today you tried to pretend staking to the REX will require people to "send" their EOS somewhere...and then of course your "that's why there's stakemine" plug followed as usual

BEOS bashes itself quite nicely. Which is well and good if it didn’t drag down bitshares at the same time. That’s a liability my good man.

tbone02:46:19 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

BEOS bashes itself quite nicely. Which is well and good if it didn’t drag down bitshares at the same time. That’s a liability my good man.

you're blowing 3 months of "staking" way out of proportion

tbone02:46:45 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

also, many of those people already proxied to michAEL

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funkit 👽👽👽02:46:45 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

you're blowing 3 months of "staking" way out of proportion

No, I don’t.

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funkit 👽👽👽02:48:04 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

also, many of those people already proxied to michael

I’m inclined to call a lie here. The bribery for votes increased m’s stake several folds

tbone02:48:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

also, no one seemed to have a big problem with the idea of collecting rainfall in exchange for proxying to michael (as opposed to being required to deposit BTS in the BEOS gateway)

tbone02:50:00 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I’m inclined to call a lie here. The bribery for votes increased m’s stake several folds

i stated a fact. maybe it's not that meaningful to you. fine. but the larger point is that it's just 3 months. and another larger point is that they are not uisng their power in a hostile manner. if they did, people would unstake.

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funkit 👽👽👽02:50:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i stated a fact. maybe it's not that meaningful to you. fine. but the larger point is that it's just 3 months. and another larger point is that they are not using their voting power in a hostile manner. if they did, people would unstake.

Would they? Do you really think they are that smart?

tbone02:51:27 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

yeah, it's not like any of them ae rocket scientists

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funkit 👽👽👽02:51:28 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

They would miss “free” coins you know

tbone02:51:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

oh wait...

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funkit 👽👽👽02:51:56 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Besides I already see damage.

tbone02:52:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

do share

tbone02:58:47 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

btw, if anyone wanted to maximize their BEOS rainfall, they would bash the project. yet here i am defending it. meanwhile, fuzzy is bashing it. hmmm. and then he sanctimoniously claims people only care about money?? and on top of that, he ascribes "logical fallacy" to others?? geez louise. you can'e make this stuff up

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funkit 👽👽👽03:02:12 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

As far as I know fuzzy gets his splash of rain too. I didn’t bother to look it up, but I think he’s in there. So you can geese Louise me all you want. Start by looking up brownie distro. I think you will find his brownies are on a hiatus.

tbone03:03:47 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

that's my point. he is collecting BEOS rainfall. and by bashing the project he keeps others away, thus maximizing his haul

Fuzzy03:04:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I do...via brownies

Fuzzy03:05:10 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Becausr i know projects run by corrupt people erupt...learned that on steem

Fuzzy03:05:26 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Might as well use the little bits i get so i can pay good people

tbone03:05:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

now you're calling BEOS team corrupt? holy crap

Fuzzy03:05:51 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

now you're calling BEOS team corrupt? holy crap

Again here he comes with his lies

Fuzzy03:06:00 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Go reread and tell me wha ti said

Fuzzy03:06:04 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I want to see if u can

Fuzzy03:06:11 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I dont think u are capablr

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funkit 👽👽👽03:06:39 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

now you're calling BEOS team corrupt? holy crap

Paying for influence is my definition of corruption.

Fuzzy03:06:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Am i as a beos hodler not entitled to ask questions?

tbone03:06:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

you said you are collecting BEOS rainfall via brownies because you know projects run by corrupt people erupt. that is what you said

Fuzzy03:08:01 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

""To know who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise." Voltaire. ... “There are lots of quotations that are attributed toVoltaire that aren't actually by him, and that's one of them,”

Fuzzy03:08:28 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Its called drama and lies here

Fuzzy03:08:33 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Needless of course

Fuzzy03:09:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

you said you are collecting BEOS rainfall via brownies because you know projects run by corrupt people erupt. that is what you said

I also said look at steem. Donu disagree?

Fuzzy03:10:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Btw tbone...i knew u could reread it...

tbone03:10:44 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

that doesn;t change your statement

Fuzzy03:11:06 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

that doesn;t change your statement

Sure...keep moving in the wrong direction. Maybe people wont look.

Fuzzy03:11:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

;)

Fuzzy03:11:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

No trust needed...

Fuzzy03:11:34 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Sincerely...the asshole liar

tbone03:11:39 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

regardless of where or how you learned your lesson, you're still implying BEOS team is corrupt

Fuzzy03:11:56 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

regardless of where or how you learned your lesson, you're still implying BEOS team is corrupt

At least someone there is

Fuzzy03:12:14 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Either that...or they expect trust that wadnt earned.

Fuzzy03:12:33 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Either way...like i told stan..not my game no mo

Fuzzy03:12:47 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Do as thou wilt

tbone03:13:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

so you'll give a it a rest finally?

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funkit 👽👽👽03:16:38 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

regardless of where or how you learned your lesson, you're still implying BEOS team is corrupt

I don’t know the whole team, but the board is most definitely corrupt by paying for voting rights.

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funkit 👽👽👽03:20:30 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If BEOS is viable and in demand, people would have paid to see it come to life. Personally I find it to be another stupid boys club, but that’s my personal opinion. Without a white paper it is hard to take it seriously.

tbone03:21:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I don’t know the whole team, but the board is most definitely corrupt by paying for voting rights.

many people disagree with this assessment, but at least it's a lot more intellectually honest than the guy claiming BEOS team haven't earned the trust they are requiring and incessantly bashing them for things out of their control

Fuzzy03:22:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

so you'll give it a rest finally?

Apparently not

Fuzzy03:22:38 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

Due to this

Fuzzy03:22:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Could have let people proxy bts

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funkit 👽👽👽03:23:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

Please change “bashing” with scrutiny. That’s something that is highly needed to make viable business cases.

Fuzzy03:23:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Please change “bashing” with scrutiny. That’s something that is highly needed to make viable business cases.

Dont expect it. Remember always ...im a shiling asshole

Fuzzy03:23:40 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I am the worst at it though because im not very wealthy...

Fuzzy03:23:41 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Lol

tbone03:24:01 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Please change “bashing” with scrutiny. That’s something that is highly needed to make viable business cases.

nothing wrong with scrutiny. but at some point it crosses the line into bashing. and this has gone way past that

Fuzzy03:24:19 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

nothing wrong with scrutiny. but at some point it crosses the line into bashing. and this has gone way past that

And u had no part in that

Fuzzy03:24:34 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Good to know

Fuzzy03:24:50 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

If u recall i was saying to keeo it civil

Fuzzy03:24:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

U were the one lieing

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funkit 👽👽👽03:25:04 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

nothing wrong with scrutiny. but at some point it crosses the line into bashing. and this has gone way past that

You have to thank the poor decisions made by the board for that

Fuzzy03:25:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Mr tbone

Fuzzy03:25:52 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Im sorry for the drama guys. I sincerely wish to stay out of it...and succeeded 2 times before...

Fuzzy03:25:59 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Then people lost alot of money

Fuzzy03:26:09 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Again...sorry @fav

tbone03:26:10 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

here we go again

Fuzzy03:26:30 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

here we go again

Waiiiit didnt u restart this?

Fuzzy03:26:38 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Why blame me?

tbone03:26:43 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

any chance you'll tell us about stakemine now?

Fuzzy03:26:54 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Apparently not

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funkit 👽👽👽03:27:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Waiiiit didnt u restart this?

Fuzzy, isn’t your lovely wife waiting?

Fuzzy03:27:33 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

any chance you'll tell us about stakemine now?

Will u lie and claim no project has EVER distributed without requiring trust?

Fuzzy03:27:48 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Cause i cant go in circles all day

tbone03:28:53 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Will u lie and claim no project has EVER distributed without requiring trust?

i was a bit hyperbolic and immediately acknowldged whaleshares (and many other airdrops)

Fuzzy03:29:19 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

Stan was right, you epitomize dishonesty

Here we go...

Fuzzy03:29:29 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i was a bit hyperbolic and immediately acknowldged whaleshares (and many other airdrops)

A bit hyperbolic ...

tbone03:29:35 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

but if that's how you can claim i'm a liar, greaaat

tbone03:30:06 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

calling you dishonest was not hyperbolic, not even a little bit

Fuzzy03:30:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

but if that's how you can claim i'm a liar, greaaat

I claim u are a liar because u literally stated lies in front of everyone here.

Fuzzy03:30:16 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

By twisting what i say

Fuzzy03:30:20 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

To your own ends

Fuzzy03:30:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

That is called spin

Fuzzy03:30:32 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It exists for a reason

tbone03:30:54 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

i didn't lie. made a slightly inaccurate statement and corrected it right away

tbone03:31:10 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

YOU call it spin

Fuzzy03:31:37 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i didn't lie. made a slightly inaccurate statement and corrected it right away

Oh about me shilling stakemine ...when u clearly asked for examples and i showed u two projects?

Fuzzy03:31:54 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Make sure to use caps

Fuzzy03:31:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Makes it seem more real

Fuzzy03:32:00 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And legit

Fuzzy03:32:26 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Also keep making me repeat myself

Fuzzy03:32:31 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

It helps ur case

tbone03:32:40 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

Oh about me shilling stakemine ...when u clearly asked for examples and i showed u two projects?

i wasn't talking about that. i was talking about the umpteen other times

Fuzzy03:33:02 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i wasn't talking about that. i was talking about the umpteen other times

Oh of course...that time doesnt fit ur narrative

Fuzzy03:33:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Gotcha

tbone03:33:13 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

in multiple TG chats

tbone03:33:24 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

omg. is this really happening?

Fuzzy03:33:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Ahhh sure please show them

Fuzzy03:33:35 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

omg. is this really happening?

Didnt u restart it?

Fuzzy03:33:42 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

I guess ud be the expert

Fuzzy03:33:51 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Given u restarted it

Fuzzy03:34:04 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Yet of course...im the locus of all evil

Fuzzy03:34:25 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Needless drama boy...caring about little guys

Fuzzy03:34:51 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

So i can be part of the cool club

Fuzzy03:35:02 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Again...im out

Fuzzy03:35:07 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Please dont restart this

tbone03:35:10 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

ok crybully

Fuzzy03:35:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Id prefer to go drink some water

Fuzzy03:35:40 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And relax with my fam who works hard and tries to do as much good as imperfect bastards can.

Fuzzy03:36:12 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Wait.

Fuzzy03:36:17 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Actually let me end on this note

Fuzzy03:36:41 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

The idea of giving tokens to people who proxy...is not bad...if multiple projects compete to do so

Fuzzy03:36:52 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Might actually end up kind of cool

Fuzzy03:37:23 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Just not how id have done it with asking for so much trust

Nitiya Muangsuwan03:37:36 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

SirFuzzalot

And relax with my fam who works hard and tries to do as much good as imperfect peeps can.

👌🏼 say hello to your Asian better half from Asian sister

Fuzzy03:37:41 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

And...i dont hate u stan...but i am sad

Fuzzy03:37:52 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

tigernid

👌🏼 say hello to your Asian better half from Asian sister

Oh damn!

Fuzzy03:37:58 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Shes an asian tiger 😅

Fuzzy03:38:03 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Ask her lol...

Fuzzy03:38:49 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

Now ill end it

Young03:54:31 - 01 May 2019 [UTC]

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