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Jonathan Bahai14:59:13 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
onceponatime
That is why they must be careful in what they publish publicly. Can you possibly understand that?
As founder of Peerplays I understand it.. very well. Nobody else does... when nobody else is in that position they cannot understand the liability situation. It's the same for Dan Laimer and any other blockchain founder.
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Joe Baker aka JoeBitcoinOrg, RemedyCoin15:00:06 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Nobody needs face regulatory scrutiny. Regulators cannot prove jurisdiction the marcstevens.net way. Theycan offer no proof that the laws and constitution apply to anybody.
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Once Uponatime15:00:20 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
The very loose bandying about of the "scam" and "fraud" words have caused enormous harm in the past.
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Once Uponatime15:03:13 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
joebitcoinorg
Nobody needs face regulatory scrutiny. Regulators cannot prove jurisdiction the marcstevens.net way. Theycan offer no proof that the laws and constitution apply to anybody.
Tell that to people who have been swat teamed. I don't think they will agree with you. Or at least they would say that you have to be VERY careful about how you go about launching disruptive innovations. There are powerful vested interests who don't like to let that happen unless they control it.
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Stefan15:03:13 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
joebitcoinorg
Nobody needs face regulatory scrutiny. Regulators cannot prove jurisdiction the marcstevens.net way. Theycan offer no proof that the laws and constitution apply to anybody.
Doesnt help you when you rott in jail, lol
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Joe Baker aka JoeBitcoinOrg, RemedyCoin15:03:47 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
I have told it to our friend who was swat teamed... and he ignored it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor
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Joe Baker aka JoeBitcoinOrg, RemedyCoin15:06:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
The only power vested in them that really matters is the power YOU give them by your assent. It isn't something you do with the men with guns... because they are like miscreant children of a 5 year old mentality. Believe me I've had my head stomped on by them.
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Joe Baker aka JoeBitcoinOrg, RemedyCoin15:07:16 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
But it is how you shoud handle things before court - in my opinion.
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Fabian Schuh15:07:21 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
joebitcoinorg
I have told it to our friend who was swat teamed... and he ignored it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor
TIL that approach has a name .. thanks for sharing
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Once Uponatime15:12:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
joebitcoinorg
The only power vested in them that really matters is the power YOU give them by your assent. It isn't something you do with the men with guns... because they are like miscreant children of a 5 year old mentality. Believe me I've had my head stomped on by them.
Are you volunteering to publish a white paper under your name about what BEOS will accomplish?
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funkit15:23:31 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
onceponatime
Are you volunteering to publish a white paper under your name about what BEOS will accomplish?
An actual white paper??? Gee. First white flag of them all.
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funkit15:30:32 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
onceponatime
Tell that to people who have been swat teamed. I don't think they will agree with you. Or at least they would say that you have to be VERY careful about how you go about launching disruptive innovations. There are powerful vested interests who don't like to let that happen unless they control it.
Strangest thing: when I had jobs worth 5000 euros on my hard disk, I always backed them up. Every night. And that was only 5000 euros, for my mortgage and food. But the alleged disruptive technology was swooped by gang with guns. With no backup to be found. It does not add up. And knowing what I do, it's just another story.
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)15:35:52 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
@ryanRfox can we get a move on that?
Is this query related to decaying votes? If yes, Core Team is actively performing research and (likely) drafting a new BSIP (informed by BSIP22). We have these Tasks on our existing sprints. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/projects
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Alex M - clockwork15:37:01 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Is this query related to decaying votes? If yes, Core Team is actively performing research and (likely) drafting a new BSIP (informed by BSIP22). We have these Tasks on our existing sprints. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/projects
yeah it was
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Alex M - clockwork15:37:03 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
nice
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kenCode15:39:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Is this query related to decaying votes? If yes, Core Team is actively performing research and (likely) drafting a new BSIP (informed by BSIP22). We have these Tasks on our existing sprints. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/projects
man, this is awesome. decaying votes FINALLY, ACCT/HTLC... good stuff 💪🏼💪🏼
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Alex M - clockwork15:40:11 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
kenCode
man, this is awesome. decaying votes FINALLY, ACCT/HTLC... good stuff 💪🏼💪🏼
you should see the commit log of Beet over the last coupel of days too :P
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Stefan15:40:22 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Is this query related to decaying votes? If yes, Core Team is actively performing research and (likely) drafting a new BSIP (informed by BSIP22). We have these Tasks on our existing sprints. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/projects
I do like the decaying vote implementation from eos with increasing multiplier. What's your take on it?
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)15:41:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
I do like the decaying vote implementation from eos with increasing multiplier. What's your take on it?
Sorry, I have not had an opportunity to familiarize myself with their implementation. I trust our research will include analysis of this 😉
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funkit15:47:09 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
am I right when I read stealth is due for october release, @ryanRfox ?
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Stefan15:47:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
funkit
am I right when I read stealth is due for october release, @ryanRfox ?
Stealth is not even voted on, sorry
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funkit15:48:17 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
We need to get it voted in then.
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)15:48:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
funkit
am I right when I read stealth is due for october release, @ryanRfox ?
The research and drafting of the set of BSIP to define the specifications are in that sprint cycle.
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funkit15:49:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
OK. So might be sooner.
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)15:49:12 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
As Stefan notes, we must get the to-be-finalized BSIPs approved before we begin work on the implementation.
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)15:49:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Not possible to be sooner for the implementation because the feature requires a Protocol Upgrade.
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kenCode15:49:52 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
BSIP's 1200-1205
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funkit15:49:53 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Cool. I wish there was something I could do to help.
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)15:50:00 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
The BSIPs should be sooner
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funkit15:50:28 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Right.
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Alex M - clockwork15:53:15 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
hoping to see custom authorities then too
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)15:53:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
funkit
Cool. I wish there was something I could do to help.
You can! Please review the BSIP Issues @christophersanborn drafted and comment within the threads: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/88
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Stefan15:54:19 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
funkit
Cool. I wish there was something I could do to help.
Also mobilize the community to comment, show interested which motivates the devs normally. Also market the bsip once completed :)
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Bryon Alexander17:59:31 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
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Malaya Eyles18:00:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
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unsoindovo20:55:06 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The platform is fully decentralized. Without KYC or other identifiable measures you will never be able to prevent single entities gaining voting power. In the case of baozi, he simply invested heavily (guess is 6 million USD) to buy BTS, he is a very proftiable trader and has his principles, whereas xeroc is a long-standing trusted community member who is governing BitShares since its inception and his voting power is mostly through other people proxying to him. bitcrab is (or was) a mix and represents many from the chinese community
6mln USD? Which date exactly?
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Alex M - clockwork20:55:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
long time ago
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Alex M - clockwork20:55:56 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
he was hedged in bitCNY for most of the past year
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Alex M - clockwork20:56:12 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
bought back into BTS around the time of the bitUSD GS
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funkit21:11:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Awwwww! Steem just jumped in front of bts at cmc
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kenCode21:55:59 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
funkit
Awwwww! Steem just jumped in front of bts at cmc
yeah, thay've been pumping for the last few days it seems
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)22:45:55 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Come see me at MIT next weekend: https://twitter.com/ryanRfox/status/1101251801263886336
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funkit22:47:19 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Wrong side of the pond :-(
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Brett Harvey23:12:40 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Are there any admins I could chat with?
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca23:38:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]
Everyone here is admin, you can chat with us.
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funkit00:05:50 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I had a talk with him about listing some coin. It might be better suited for you, @Xanoxt
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca00:06:22 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Not until we publish listing rules (which should be soon).
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Angel Lashonn02:03:07 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
Not until we publish listing rules (which should be soon).
Yeah
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cryptoMarathon02:32:36 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/danheld/status/1101281301376622593 <— when bitshares ?
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Samuel04:00:40 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Vinny: Be careful of scam exchange IDCM. They cooperated with Soom coin before. It is a Chinese scam crypto exchange.
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Samuel04:01:27 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Has anyone here been ripped off through crypto lies? I am a victim too who was lucky to get help. PM me if you need help
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Digital Lucife®04:02:53 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Samuel903
Has anyone here been ripped off through crypto lies? I am a victim too who was lucky to get help. PM me if you need help
You sound like a bad advertisement to rip me off.
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Digital Lucife®04:03:25 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If you wanna help, share here with everyone so we all can learn something from it.
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Samuel04:04:22 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
If you wanna help, share here with everyone so we all can learn something from it.
Ok no problem mate
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Samuel04:05:23 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
My friend and I lost money in a scam project once Bitron. Don't know if you heard of it but we were really dumb to invest in it. When they scammed out my friend got a private investigator to find those behind it. Guess they were Africans. He took over their site and traced their ip addresses he got some of their identities and threatened to expose them if they didn't release some funds to us. They had spent some of it though but we got a large share back.
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Samuel04:05:59 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
He reported their IP addresses though I hope the authorities in their country responded and picked them up. And he brought down their site now Bitron.io is no more
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Samuel04:06:18 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
When we lose money we let these guys get away with it. We have to start getting to them
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Digital Lucife®04:08:28 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Thanks for sharing
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George (Bitspark)05:33:34 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Samuel903
He reported their IP addresses though I hope the authorities in their country responded and picked them up. And he brought down their site now Bitron.io is no more
How is this bitshares related ? It’s not ? You just wanted to post irrelevant story ?
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tbone05:34:46 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
there's a link in one of his posts, maybe it should be removed
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Jane Fon06:55:41 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Good morning
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funkit07:18:11 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Howdy 👀
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Mr.Κανείς07:36:06 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Best channel for trade 😃😉 https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFdK-SO2pIUcswEaxQ
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fav09:29:04 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://app.dex.ag/ this for bts gateways would be cool
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Crypto Kong09:44:38 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If all the gateways agreed to work together to keep markets such as bridge.eth-open.eth or rudex.btc-gdex.btc liquid then arb bots would take any differences and it wouldnt be needed
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Crypto Kong09:44:46 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
But yeah it is a cool idea
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Alex M - clockwork09:45:32 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
If all the gateways agreed to work together to keep markets such as bridge.eth-open.eth or rudex.btc-gdex.btc liquid then arb bots would take any differences and it wouldnt be needed
hmm
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Alex M - clockwork09:45:40 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
per market market fees
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Alex M - clockwork09:45:41 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
?
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Alex M - clockwork09:46:10 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
e.g. remove market fees on same UIA/different gateway markets?
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Alex M - clockwork09:46:15 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i smell a BSIP coming
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Crypto Kong09:46:23 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
IMO these markets should be promoted more, they are unique to bitshares, when liquid increase trade activity and providing liquidity to them is one of the simplest ways to increase your holdibgs
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Alex M - clockwork09:46:39 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
@xeroc ?
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Crypto Kong09:47:37 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I raised a feature request issue on github a while ago for these markets to be added to the front page of the dex or perhaps to the my markets section of the exchange
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Crypto Kong09:48:11 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
They affectively join up liquidity of the various exchanges
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Crypto Kong09:48:41 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
e.g. remove market fees on same UIA/different gateway markets?
That would be awesome
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Crypto Kong09:49:58 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
It would create even more activity because at the mo on bridge.btc-open.btc there is still a spread normally larger than 0.5% in order to pay fees and still profit
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Crypto Kong09:50:30 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If fees were removed, spreads would tighten and arb bots could take more opportunities, increasing trade activity
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Stefan09:50:48 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
@xeroc ?
We really need to find new victims to draft BSIPs, especially trader oriented ones. @Cryptokong123 ?
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Alex M - clockwork09:51:18 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
We really need to find new victims to draft BSIPs, especially trader oriented ones. @Cryptokong123 ?
victims is not PC enough,,,,you mean "helpful community members"
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Crypto Kong09:51:21 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Yes id be happy to help out, i have plenty of ideas just little tech knowledge
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Stefan09:51:42 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
Yes id be happy to help out, i have plenty of ideas just little tech knowledge
No need for tech knowledge for initial drafts :)
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Crypto Kong09:52:20 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
So what would be the first step to creating an intial draft for a bsip?
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Stefan09:53:07 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
So what would be the first step to creating an intial draft for a bsip?
Create an issue with the idea in the bsip repo, and be resilient and open towards iterations and comments
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Alex M - clockwork09:53:13 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/BSIPs-Template.md
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Crypto Kong09:53:26 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Ok cool thanks!
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Alex M - clockwork09:53:48 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ask @cmmob ...he writes a lot of them :P
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Crypto Kong09:54:02 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
😁
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funkit10:06:07 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Reminds me I should write some stuff too. Equilibrium incoming.
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Stefan10:16:25 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Found 0 accounts
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Fabian Schuh12:17:27 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
HTLC is now enabled on testnet
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xeroc
HTLC is now enabled on testnet
Nice one! What cryptocurrencies does it support?
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Alex M - clockwork12:50:09 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
Nice one! What cryptocurrencies does it support?
it's HTLC for the bitshares chain
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Alex M - clockwork12:50:33 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
anyone can use HTLC functionality on a different chain to build an atomic swap mechanism
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R12:51:08 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Very cool, so others can easily interface? Great work!
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Alex M - clockwork12:51:25 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
thats what teh new worker proposed by everprove is about
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Stefan12:51:33 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
thats what teh new worker proposed by everprove is about
Everbloom
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Alex M - clockwork12:51:35 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
buildign a tool/framework to easily set up swaps
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Alex M - clockwork12:51:40 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
that
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Alex M - clockwork12:51:45 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i keep confusing them :P
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clockworkgr
thats what teh new worker proposed by everprove is about
Yeah I liked the look of that worker proposal
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Fabian Schuh12:58:35 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Look .. how you do HTLC with bitcoin: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/74753/htlc-hash-time-lock-contract-using-bitcoin-qt
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Fabian Schuh12:59:09 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
On BItShares, you do a ```uptick htlc create init5 10 TEST uptick htlc redeem 1.16.xxxx```
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Fabian Schuh12:59:13 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
convenient, eh?
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Alex M - clockwork12:59:46 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
lol
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Alex M - clockwork13:01:34 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
same with eth
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Alex M - clockwork13:01:42 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
which is supposed to be dev friendly
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Alex M - clockwork13:01:46 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
web3 is a nightmare
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Alex M - clockwork13:02:16 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and syncing an eth node is random in success
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Alex M - clockwork13:02:20 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
might work might not
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Alex M - clockwork13:02:25 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
randomly stops syncing
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Alex M - clockwork13:02:27 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
restarts
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Alex M - clockwork13:02:36 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you just set it and cross your fingers
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fav13:03:04 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
yup, I'm trying to test augur for ages, but that shit needs a synced chain. never gonna happen
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Fabian Schuh13:06:38 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
🙈
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Alex M - clockwork13:06:42 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
never had a problem with bitshares that wasnt due to me fucking up
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Stefan13:18:02 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Found and kicked 96 deleted accounts
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Alex M - clockwork13:21:07 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
8900 members
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Alex M - clockwork13:21:13 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
used to be over 10k :(
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R13:22:51 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
used to be over 10k :(
Better than spam bots being present
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Stefan13:25:13 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Not done, telegram is restricting how much I can do at a time
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Crypto Kong13:44:57 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Not done, telegram is restricting how much I can do at a time
lol they resrict users removing bots but not the bots 🤣
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Stefan13:45:31 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
lol they resrict users removing bots but not the bots 🤣
They restrict API calls per 10 min
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Stefan13:45:49 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Found and kicked 0 deleted accounts
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peter chan15:26:50 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/eosfinexproject/status/1101460307854196736
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peter chan
https://twitter.com/eosfinexproject/status/1101460307854196736
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litepresence16:13:06 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Crypto Kong17:59:02 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
peter chan
https://twitter.com/eosfinexproject/status/1101460307854196736
Best bit about it, if you make a bad trade you can just lobby the block producers to reverse it! Lol
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Greg Belcher18:06:36 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I'm new to the Bitshares platform. I made a deposit through the Citadel gateway. Where can I go to view my funds?
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funkit18:10:49 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Should be visible on both the reference wallet and citadels front end.
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Stefan18:11:12 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Greg Belcher
I'm new to the Bitshares platform. I made a deposit through the Citadel gateway. Where can I go to view my funds?
On any frontend that allows you to access the bitshares Blockchain, e.g. wallet.bitshares.org
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Rebel19:37:10 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
funkit
it's Ukraine!
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funkit19:39:09 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hilarious nonetheless 💥🤓
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Juan Jaramillo19:47:51 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
funkit
super turbo
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Shi_orii22:20:22 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello
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Mark23:17:08 - 01 Mar 2019 [UTC]
How we can withdraw game tokens?
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Stefan00:11:39 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Mark
How we can withdraw game tokens?
?
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Mark00:13:33 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
GAME is token you are removing right?
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Mark00:13:43 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
but gateway is still closed for withdrawals
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Niklas Nikolajsen00:17:09 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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Niklas Nikolajsen00:17:13 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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funkit00:58:49 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Isn't that a openledger coin? Ask them.
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DILSHAD A C05:11:15 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
@freebinarysignals101
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Elizabeth Thomas07:25:05 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Elizabeth Thomas: I started mining with only $50 without sending my btc to anyone. I mined it right inside my wallet now I earn approximately $500-$1000 daily. No Scam!!! Ask me how WhatsApp me if interested (+17168003786)
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Elizabeth Thomas07:25:16 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Elizabeth Thomas: I started mining with only $50 without sending my btc to anyone. I mined it right inside my wallet now I earn approximately $500-$1000 daily. No Scam!!! Ask me how WhatsApp me if interested (+17168003786)
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Elizabeth Thomas07:25:27 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Elizabeth Thomas: I started mining with only $50 without sending my btc to anyone. I mined it right inside my wallet now I earn approximately $500-$1000 daily. No Scam!!! Ask me how WhatsApp me if interested (+17168003786)
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Elizabeth Thomas07:26:11 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Elizabeth Thomas: I started mining with only $50 without sending my btc to anyone. I mined it right inside my wallet now I earn approximately $500-$1000 daily. No Scam!!! Ask me how WhatsApp me if interested (+17168003786)
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Stefan09:02:52 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57A__kqEHcA
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Digital Lucife®09:03:07 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
7:18 Very important part :D
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:04:05 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
👀
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:23:56 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
CLI required to list 👆
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vicky kanna10:53:50 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Ian balina about ncash partnership
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Marvis11:30:17 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Marvis11:31:20 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾 As the bitcoin rising let's make legitimate money here on the aerominer platform no risk of lost tested and trusted 💯💯💯💯💯💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 https://aerominer.uk/?ref=Marvis
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Europa12:17:07 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello! 🏖️😎
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Europa12:17:32 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Pls update information @BitSharesEXCHANGES
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Crypto Kong12:31:35 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
never even knew that existed but yeah theres like 10 exchanges missing lol
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Stefan12:48:12 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
EuropaSH
Pls update information @BitSharesEXCHANGES
What is the purpose of it?
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Europa12:49:59 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
What is the purpose of it?
The number of exchanges has increased, is it not?
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Digital Lucife®12:51:11 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
EuropaSH
The number of exchanges has increased, is it not?
3rd parties yes, but under strict labeling of BitShares - not that i know of.
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Digital Lucife®12:51:25 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Rossul and Community UI are closest to new variants BitShares UI's
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Digital Lucife®12:51:35 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
3rd parties are responsible for their own marketing
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Digital Lucife®12:52:40 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
And - XBTS is listed on awesome-bitshares repository on github
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Stefan12:56:44 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
EuropaSH
The number of exchanges has increased, is it not?
The purpose of the channel I mean
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Digital Lucife®13:03:12 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Purpose of the group is BitSharesDEX
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Digital Lucife®13:03:24 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i consider it wallet.bitshares.org right ?
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Digital Lucife®13:03:29 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
:)
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Digital Lucife®13:03:36 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Not paul'sDEX
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Crypto Kong13:03:56 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
Not paul'sDEX
ive heard good things about pauls dex
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Digital Lucife®13:04:07 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ahahahahahha
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Crypto Kong13:04:10 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
apparently paul is very trust worthy
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Stefan13:04:14 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
EuropaSH
Pls update information @BitSharesEXCHANGES
Talking about this channel
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Crypto Kong13:04:17 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
deposit your funds now!
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Digital Lucife®13:04:21 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Jim is better.
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Digital Lucife®13:04:30 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Eat @ Jim'sDEX
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Crypto Kong13:04:30 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
lol
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Digital Lucife®13:04:35 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
:D
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Europa13:05:31 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
:)
Our exchange promotes the bitshares in all social networks. And it also expands people's knowledge about the bitshares. We are all in the same boat
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Europa13:09:20 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Talking about this channel
The information is written in the main group Bitshares Dex. This information affects the work. Our users asked why not all exchanges were added. Or who can I ask this question?
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Digital Lucife®13:09:47 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
EuropaSH
The information is written in the main group Bitshares Dex. This information affects the work. Our users asked why not all exchanges were added. Or who can I ask this question?
because this is support group for bitsharesdex
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Digital Lucife®13:09:56 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
not for all private exchanges built on top of bitshares blockchain
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Europa13:10:18 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
because this is support group for bitsharesdex
What's the difference
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Crypto Kong13:10:27 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i think what europa is trying to say is... what is required for them to get added to that list
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Digital Lucife®13:10:29 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
EuropaSH
Our exchange promotes the bitshares in all social networks. And it also expands people's knowledge about the bitshares. We are all in the same boat
Your exchanges doesnt exist without blockchain. Pay no rent. Pay no membership. Least you can do is promote the blockchain
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Digital Lucife®13:10:38 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Diff is you earn from your own private exchange
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Digital Lucife®13:10:38 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we dont
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Stefan13:10:51 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
EuropaSH
What's the difference
https://github.com/bitshares/awesome-bitshares
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Digital Lucife®13:10:55 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
stop asking questions that are not having business sense or ethics
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Stefan13:10:59 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Do a PR to add yourself
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Digital Lucife®13:11:23 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Do a PR to add yourself
They are already there
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Digital Lucife®13:11:26 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
he is from XBTS
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Stefan13:11:35 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
All good then :)
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Digital Lucife®13:11:35 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
he wants to be added here in description of the group
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Stefan13:11:44 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Have a look again
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Europa13:12:39 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
he is from XBTS
She 🌹😉
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Europa13:13:07 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Have a look again
Thx
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Digital Lucife®13:13:10 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Appologies
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rolik)))13:27:43 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
гГГ
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rolik)))13:27:44 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
читаю чат
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rolik)))13:27:44 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
битшарес
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rolik)))13:27:45 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
там счас европу попускают
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peter chan13:30:33 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404345507056119214
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peter chan13:30:35 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404345507056119214
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Elisabeth Stelter13:45:59 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi! Hopefully you have a great weekend, i do! I found a group called @WiredChimera ! They give legit calls on Binance, and documentate everycall in a profitsheet! NO PUMP OR DUMP OR HYIP SCAMS
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Dary Owen13:54:41 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
At first I was sacred of scam... That why I started with just $40 but now I have withdrew more than $3000 Try and see for your self getcryptodaily.club/?ref=lizzy ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: https://chat.whatsapp.com/DSFAJyYvkzWKVZLf3XBEy1 https://t.me/getcryptodaily
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Crypto Kong15:44:05 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
does anyone know anything about compumatrix?
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Digital Lucife®15:45:11 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Philipino guy and company, snapped nearly blackswan early last year when bitcrab purchased his debt, gone for a while, came back, atm story in ph, nothing much in the end...
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Digital Lucife®15:45:34 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
why ?
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Digital Lucife®15:45:59 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
Philipino guy and company, snapped nearly blackswan early last year when bitcrab purchased his debt, gone for a while, came back, atm story in ph, nothing much in the end...
this is super short version btw :)
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Crypto Kong15:46:38 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cos ive looked into them before and struggled to actually figure out what they do, now they have invited me to a room to talk about their business and all im getting is the same shit from them, been around since 2006 we are legit company bla bla bla
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Crypto Kong15:46:41 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
no info
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Crypto Kong15:46:45 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
seems very scammy
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Crypto Kong15:46:59 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
im getting quite frustrated at them wasting my time and not telling me anything
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Digital Lucife®15:47:51 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
wait to see next apt article
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Digital Lucife®15:48:01 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
havent published due dilligence on someone quite a while :D
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Digital Lucife®15:48:38 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
but not gonna be compumatrix
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Digital Lucife®15:48:44 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
have new ignorant players on top :)
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Crypto Kong15:49:07 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ive just told them to F off
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Crypto Kong15:49:16 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
doing my head in
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Crypto Kong15:49:33 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i still have no clue what they do
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Crypto Kong15:50:13 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
there answer when i asked for info was there info was basically no because i might use it to my advantage
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R15:50:14 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
does anyone know anything about compumatrix?
Closed forum business group of some sorts. No idea tbh.
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funkit15:50:20 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
im getting quite frustrated at them wasting my time and not telling me anything
Just like certain EOS clones you push like you were paid... 😂
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Crypto Kong15:50:52 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
funkit
Just like certain EOS clones you push like you were paid... 😂
bit different but coming from your point of view touche lol
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R15:50:54 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Only need one more price feed publisher for the Norns to go live on the Bitshares platform 👌 Who's it going to be? 😁
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Crypto Kong15:51:24 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
bit different but coming from your point of view touche lol
not sure how to do accent on the e on computer lol
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funkit15:53:41 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
é <- copy that
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Bitcoin Teo15:54:25 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
W E S H A L L M A R C H F O R T H !!!!!!
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Crypto Kong15:54:59 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
funkit
é <- copy that
forwarded to saved messages lol
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Bitcoin Teo15:56:30 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
is this group entirely full of closed minded nitwits? or am i the right place?
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Crypto Kong15:57:25 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hows about actually telling me what the fuck your company actually does rather than wasting my time then insulting me
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Crypto Kong16:02:50 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
@BitcoinTeo
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Digital Lucife®16:38:20 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
my eyes or api fucked or bts : bitusd had 322M BTS trading last 24h
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funkit16:38:52 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
BitcoinTeo
is this group entirely full of closed minded nitwits? or am i the right place?
Yes it is. You'll fit right in.
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Once Uponatime16:40:34 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
BitcoinTeo
is this group entirely full of closed minded nitwits? or am i the right place?
There are other Telegram channels for bitshares enthusiasts who are perhaps more open minded.
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funkit16:41:36 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Just remember to keep your wallet closed.
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patinity17:14:08 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
gogo @DEX_Lottery_Bot
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patinity17:14:08 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
bitcrab, look
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Valera Cogut17:17:22 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
this is beta version 1st day of @DEX_Lottery_Bot, soon after polishing all details I with my team will publish it in production
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Valera Cogut17:17:56 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
today in mainnet in BitShares were made about 1000 transfer operations
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Valera Cogut17:18:10 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
just while testing on real BTS
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hultqvist17:19:16 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
make bitshares great again!!!
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hultqvist17:19:33 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
lets go play!
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Valera Cogut17:21:19 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we really will appreciate any feedback from you guys ! just remember please now it is 1st day of our BETA version DEX Lottery Bot in telegram 😉 soon will be release and more marketing to invite different people to BitShares
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Valera Cogut17:23:50 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
also vote for me as committee member if you want 😉
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Valera Cogut17:23:51 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Greetings everybody, My name is Valera, and many of you probably know me from Hack The DEX https://hackthedex.io/#/leaderboard as white hacker who cares a lot of about BitShares security and stability, also as programmer who developed many different issues in github for BitShares Core C++ project. I've been involved in BitShares community since about May 2018, not so long time ago. But I'm trying to put all my best efforts to improve BitShares ecosystem as much as possible. I know to be a committee member requires a lot of time and efforts to make BitShares platform better and better each new day/hour/minute. Please vote for valera-committee, if you'd like to support my candidacy. Thank you everyone for your support! https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27797.0
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hultqvist17:24:20 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
valeracogut
Greetings everybody, My name is Valera, and many of you probably know me from Hack The DEX https://hackthedex.io/#/leaderboard as white hacker who cares a lot of about BitShares security and stability, also as programmer who developed many different issues in github for BitShares Core C++ project. I've been involved in BitShares community since about May 2018, not so long time ago. But I'm trying to put all my best efforts to improve BitShares ecosystem as much as possible. I know to be a committee member requires a lot of time and efforts to make BitShares platform better and better each new day/hour/minute. Please vote for valera-committee, if you'd like to support my candidacy. Thank you everyone for your support! https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27797.0
🙏
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Valera Cogut17:25:14 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
@DEX_Lottery_Bot works on BitShares blockchain ! 1 ticket = 1 BTS, only BTS in beta version :)
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Valera Cogut17:25:28 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and in release will be only BTS too ;)
高建明17:52:29 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Biggest airdrop I have ever seen, withdraw 100 CNNS to 1.5 USDT upon joining the bot : https://t.me/CoinNessBot
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patinity18:05:22 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
pew-pew #MBGA
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Mbj18:40:48 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hey guys, if you are wanting to invest, and receive daily profit, can back out anytime and take back initial amount, message me, new program started limited to 15 people in group
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Mbj18:40:55 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello guys
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Mbj18:41:03 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Anyone speak English?
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hultqvist18:41:14 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
yep
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Ana Galloway18:41:27 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
👍 🌎 [⚡️](https://pp.userapi.com/c850232/v850232031/f4144/zP6zUTocl_w.jpg) bit.ly/2tQc7ox ⚡️ ↩️ 🌍
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Mbj18:41:29 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
yep
How's life going
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hultqvist18:41:50 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Yiiiikl
How's life going
nice)
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Mbj18:42:08 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
nice)
Any good place to invest?
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hultqvist18:42:13 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
letd go play with us @DEX_Lottery_Bot
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hultqvist18:42:31 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Yiiiikl
Any good place to invest?
BitShares
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Mbj18:42:41 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
BitShares
What's the plans?
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hultqvist18:43:14 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Yiiiikl
What's the plans?
more dex products
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Mbj18:43:31 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
more dex products
What's minimum invest and how much earn?
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hultqvist18:43:46 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Yiiiikl
What's minimum invest and how much earn?
buy bts
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Mbj18:44:19 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
buy bts
Oh this seems though
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Mbj18:45:05 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
buy bts
Message me if you want something simpler, 2% profit daily, I invested in this one, was looking for something better but this is hard
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Mbj18:45:20 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
buy bts
Can you pm me
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Mbj18:45:38 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
buy bts
Message me
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Mbj18:45:41 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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Crypto Kong19:22:39 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
valeracogut
@DEX_Lottery_Bot works on BitShares blockchain ! 1 ticket = 1 BTS, only BTS in beta version :)
pretty cool!
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Valera Cogut19:23:12 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
pretty cool!
👍Thanks ! 😉
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hultqvist19:23:16 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
thanks bro!
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hultqvist19:23:38 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
please lets go play!
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Crypto Kong19:24:06 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
how is winner decided?
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hultqvist19:24:13 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
minimum 1bts
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Valera Cogut19:24:44 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
how is winner decided?
by future block's witness signature
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Valera Cogut19:24:58 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
1 round = 1000 blocks
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Valera Cogut19:25:06 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
aproximately 50 minutes
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Valera Cogut19:25:46 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
HELP, FAQ, RULES are in @DEX_Lottery_Bot done (beta version) in 3 languages: english, russian, chinese
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Crypto Kong19:26:01 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
valeracogut
HELP, FAQ, RULES are in @DEX_Lottery_Bot done (beta version) in 3 languages: english, russian, chinese
oh ok cool thanks
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Valera Cogut19:29:55 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
always welcome !
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Valera Cogut19:30:01 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
feel free to ask any questions !
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Valera Cogut19:30:12 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we are appreciate any feedback !
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Valera Cogut19:30:32 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Thank you ! Good luck & success to everybody !
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hultqvist19:31:19 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
please send your feedback in our chat with tag #feedback
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Valera Cogut19:31:45 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://t.me/dexlotterychat
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Valera Cogut19:31:58 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://t.me/dexlottery
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Crypto Kong19:32:10 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i will share this on twitter pretty cool
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Valera Cogut19:32:25 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
till now it's beta
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Valera Cogut19:32:49 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I need to polish some details before release, just several days imho :)
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hultqvist19:33:02 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
super thanks but please write that its beta!
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hultqvist19:35:58 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
i will share this on twitter pretty cool
hultqvist, [02.03.19 22:33] super! thanks, but please write that its beta!
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Crypto Kong19:41:54 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/CryptoKong123/status/1101928651912810496
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Crypto Kong19:42:11 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
super! thanks, but please write that its beta!
when you click my tweet your link to chat shows its beta so its ok i think :)
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hultqvist19:44:17 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
when you click my tweet your link to chat shows its beta so its ok i think :)
Thanks! ) Now service is free! no fees no commisions from users
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hultqvist19:45:25 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we want to make make bitshares great again!!!
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Valera Cogut19:45:44 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
when you click my tweet your link to chat shows its beta so its ok i think :)
Thank you very much ! 👍 So fast :) really nice ! Thanks bro ! 👍
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Coach Mark Davis20:03:39 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
No ability to login - my username and pw are ok but the exchange platform not working.
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Yahya Trader20:15:23 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Singh Jo20:34:15 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Lol
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Singh Jo20:34:21 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Yahyatek
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Scam!!!
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Stefan20:58:43 - 02 Mar 2019 [UTC]
markdavis
No ability to login - my username and pw are ok but the exchange platform not working.
@btswallethelp
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DILSHAD A C01:32:56 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://t.me/freebinarysignals101 Free telegram binary signal channel
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Danielle Karen S02:01:29 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Good evening
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Diana Whitfield02:29:56 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello
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Danielle Karen S02:33:29 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
DianaWD
Hello
What's happening
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FarmerD02:51:13 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I know that I haven't been here for a long time (busy with new kid and farm) but I just wanted to share this with you. Not spam I give my word. If you are looking for instant fiat to bts transfers please contact Hareem @gridcenter. Hareem is a verified PalmPay teller and very professional. Today I sent him CAD $100 via PayPal and for a small 2%fee he instantly transfered the corresponding bts directly into my bts account (account farmerd) He says he can accommodate USD, CAD, and EU. This is an amazing service. Please if anyone has any questions don't hesitate to ask me. This, and merchant services, of @kenCode PalmPay (if we use them) will truly help to bring bitshares to the crypto masses. Thanks Hareem 💪😎
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FarmerD02:57:26 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
This is huge deal, we could all do this. If everyone who can offers transfers and people like myself buy from people like Hareem, we can (almost and hopefully soon) skip banks and credit cards. At least for now the fees (with palmpay tellers) are much much better.
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kenCode02:57:48 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
FarmerD
I know that I haven't been here for a long time (busy with new kid and farm) but I just wanted to share this with you. Not spam I give my word. If you are looking for instant fiat to bts transfers please contact Hareem @gridcenter. Hareem is a verified PalmPay teller and very professional. Today I sent him CAD $100 via PayPal and for a small 2%fee he instantly transfered the corresponding bts directly into my bts account (account farmerd) He says he can accommodate USD, CAD, and EU. This is an amazing service. Please if anyone has any questions don't hesitate to ask me. This, and merchant services, of @kenCode PalmPay (if we use them) will truly help to bring bitshares to the crypto masses. Thanks Hareem 💪😎
Hareem is listed on the map in the BiTSy app too, helping him to advertise his Teller services to the Bitshares community.
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hultqvist08:27:32 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
DEX Lottery Bot (BETA): Block Number = 35362667 Round ID = 34 Total sold tickets = 798 Start block number = 35362000 End block number = 35362999 Chain ID = 4018d7844c78f6a6c41c6a552b898022310fc5dec06da467ee7905a8dad512c8
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hultqvist08:27:57 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Lets go play!)
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hultqvist08:30:48 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Make BitShares great again!)
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fav08:32:04 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Not sure how a lottery helps bitshares tho
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hultqvist08:33:01 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Yes helps
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hultqvist08:33:26 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Liquidity and more transactions and pool of fees
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hultqvist08:34:15 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Every player pays fee 0.45 bts for playing lottery
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hultqvist08:35:40 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
And marketing and more new customers for yours business on BitShares
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hultqvist08:36:56 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
We have people who did not know about BitShares and knew about it from our lottery
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FarmerD09:04:35 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
We have people who did not know about BitShares and knew about it from our lottery
What's your lottery? How does it work?
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Valera Cogut09:06:15 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we announced this lottery in this chat, look upper please 😉
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Valera Cogut09:06:38 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
valeracogut
HELP, FAQ, RULES are in @DEX_Lottery_Bot done (beta version) in 3 languages: english, russian, chinese
here
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Valera Cogut09:07:11 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Valera Cogut, [02.03.19 21:31] https://t.me/dexlotterychat Valera Cogut, [02.03.19 21:31] https://t.me/dexlottery
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Valera Cogut09:07:58 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://t.me/dexlottery
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hultqvist09:08:22 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
@DEX_Lottery_Bot
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hultqvist09:08:35 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
FarmerD
What's your lottery? How does it work?
@DEX_Lottery_Bot
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Valera Cogut09:08:47 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Valera Cogut, [02.03.19 19:25] @DEX_Lottery_Bot works on BitShares blockchain ! 1 ticket = 1 BTS, only BTS in beta version :) Valera Cogut, [02.03.19 19:25] and in release will be only BTS too ;) Valera Cogut, [02.03.19 19:30] [Forwarded from Летопись шароверских будней (Zholaman)] 🔥 To take part in the lottery on the Bitshares blockchain, send bts to an account wallet.bitshares.org/#/account/dex-lottery ⚡️ The round lasts ~ 50 minutes. The winner is determined by a random selection of the blockchain validator block and takes Va-bank. Valera Cogut, [02.03.19 19:30] [Forwarded from Летопись шароверских будней (Zholaman)] 🔥 要参加 Bitshares 区块链的抽奖,请将账户发送到一个账户 wallet.bitshares.org/#/account/dex-lottery ⚡️ 圆形持续约50分钟。获胜者由区块链验证器块的随机选择确定并占据整个池
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hultqvist09:09:14 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I have a ban in this chat)
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hultqvist09:09:31 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Ahahahaha
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hultqvist09:09:49 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
No links no gifs no smails
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Valera Cogut09:10:31 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we really will appreciate any feedback from you guys ! just remember please now it is 1st day of our BETA version DEX Lottery Bot in telegram 😉 soon will be release and more marketing to invite different people to BitShares
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hultqvist09:10:48 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hultqvist
No links no gifs no smails
Its very funny
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Valera Cogut09:12:27 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
Not sure how a lottery helps bitshares tho
this is beta version 2nd day of @DEX_Lottery_Bot, soon after polishing all details I with my team will publish it in production today in mainnet in BitShares were made more than 1000 transfer operations just while testing on real BTS 😉 24 hours just only in beta-testing
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Valera Cogut09:12:43 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
Not sure how a lottery helps bitshares tho
don't you see how it helps BitShares ?
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hultqvist09:13:14 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
He dont want to see it)
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Valera Cogut09:13:44 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ah then yes ! if you don't want - you won't see !
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Valera Cogut09:14:11 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we see what we want to see ! it's real truth in our life everywhere !
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hultqvist09:16:31 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Our service has no commisions, minimal bet for join to game only 1 bts! Good look!)
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hultqvist09:17:14 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Just try it
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Valera Cogut09:17:46 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
yes ! right ! we appreciate any feedback guys ! I'm polishing now all issues in beta version which we found yesterday while beta-testing on real BitShares mainnet
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Valera Cogut09:18:09 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Good Luck ! Success ! Just try your luck if you want 😉
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hultqvist09:58:55 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
DEX LOTTERY NEWS, [03.03.19 11:38] [Forwarded from DEX Lottery Bot (BETA)] Block Number = 35363027 Round ID = 34 Total sold tickets = 804 Start block number = 35362000 End block number = 35362999 Chain ID = 4018d7844c78f6a6c41c6a552b898022310fc5dec06da467ee7905a8dad512c8 Winner account instance = 1.2.1096210 Winner account name = alexandr-masl
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hultqvist09:59:11 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
804 bts winner!
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hultqvist09:59:18 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
for one hour
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George (Bitspark)10:16:41 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Don’t need hourly updates spamming chat pls
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hultqvist10:19:55 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Don’t need hourly updates spamming chat pls
Ok
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William Harrison10:22:52 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Want to sell bitcoin please true buyers inbox me. No scam please
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William Harrison10:24:09 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Buyers genuine please no scammers please serious buyers if interested inbox
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Etsuko Oonishi10:46:23 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
BolttCoin on Bit-z is still mooning! Almost x5 from ICO price! Hurry up to catch the train. Boltt will give x10 for its holders at ease! By the way, ICO was over almost a month ago. Hard cap 25 mil $$ was reached and price still goes up! Incredible 😎
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fav11:23:55 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/justcametomind/status/1102157778414637056 how can you be so mad about 1 cent worth of crypto :D
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Digital Lucife®11:40:24 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
https://twitter.com/justcametomind/status/1102157778414637056 how can you be so mad about 1 cent worth of crypto :D
Just replied
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Richard West11:46:04 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello everyone, My name is Richard west, I work as a Financial Advisor at Coinsource and I’m a Bitcoin Miner affiliated to the Blockchain Mining Network and I sell bitcoin. I would love to introduce you to Blockchain technology (that consists majorly of bitcoin and crypto currency mining) and its application as a means to passively earn income by investing index funds.
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Fabian Schuh12:11:57 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
**FYI**: Due to a distributed attack on the onboarding faucet, account registration for account names that are shorter than 6 is forbidden. The now stopped attacker tried to have hundreds of thousands of accounts registered with community funds.
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Dary Owen12:18:54 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
At first I was sacred of scam... That why I started with just $40 but now I have withdrew more than $3000 Try and see for your self getcryptodaily.club/?ref=lizzy ‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp Group: https://chat.whatsapp.com/DSFAJyYvkzWKVZLf3XBEy1 https://t.me/getcryptodaily
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Fabian Schuh12:22:40 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Feedback welcome: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27734.new#new
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Fabian Schuh12:24:36 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Also, there was just an account registered called `bitshares-changelly` .. Watch out if that is legit or potentially Scam (I do not know)
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Aiza Khan13:17:05 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Just received my payout for the day Ask me how
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Stefan13:52:56 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
FYI: Due to a distributed attack on the onboarding faucet, account registration for account names that are shorter than 6 is forbidden. The now stopped attacker tried to have hundreds of thousands of accounts registered with community funds.
Might as well do 6 too 😁
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Crypto Kong16:16:55 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/CryptoKong123/status/1102240723880022016
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Loic Friend17:17:16 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://kidsearncash.com/share/Chimexfelix
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Anna Bell17:23:23 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Fake Subscriber 1k = 5$ (80 Member Test) Views 1k for 10 old posts = 4$ 1k for 20 old posts = 6$ 1k views for 50 old posts = 8$ 1k views for 100 old post = 10$ 1k for 150 old post = 15$ 1k for 200 old post = 18$ (100 views for test) for new posts is diffrent: Maximum 10 posts daily 1k = $4 Maximum 20 post daily 1k = $7 And you can pay daily or weekly Softwares Telegram Auto Group Adder - Export and import Telegram Group Members $110 Telegram Bulk Sender Message To Groups $110 Telegram Bulk Sender Message To Private 110$ Vote 100 = 6$ 200 = 12$ 300 = 17$ 400 = 22$ 500 = 27$ 1000 = 50$ 2000 = 100$ 3000 = 135$ 4000 = 170$ 5000 = 200$ (15 Vote Test) All Services will be test, before pay Seller : @saeed_ovw
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Anna Bell17:23:29 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Fake Subscriber 1k = 5$ (80 Member Test) Views 1k for 10 old posts = 4$ 1k for 20 old posts = 6$ 1k views for 50 old posts = 8$ 1k views for 100 old post = 10$ 1k for 150 old post = 15$ 1k for 200 old post = 18$ (100 views for test) for new posts is diffrent: Maximum 10 posts daily 1k = $4 Maximum 20 post daily 1k = $7 And you can pay daily or weekly Softwares Telegram Auto Group Adder - Export and import Telegram Group Members $110 Telegram Bulk Sender Message To Groups $110 Telegram Bulk Sender Message To Private 110$ Vote 100 = 6$ 200 = 12$ 300 = 17$ 400 = 22$ 500 = 27$ 1000 = 50$ 2000 = 100$ 3000 = 135$ 4000 = 170$ 5000 = 200$ (15 Vote Test) All Services will be test, before pay Seller : saeed_ovw
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Karina Allen21:10:12 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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Crypto Kong21:40:40 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
how do we accept a proposal from an unkown account? i am only offered the choice of reject or permanantly reject
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Stefan21:41:29 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
how do we accept a proposal from an unkown account? i am only offered the choice of reject or permanantly reject
See the checkbox in the header
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Crypto Kong21:41:44 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ah that was easy lol thanks
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Crypto Kong21:43:37 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
also.... when approve all button?
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Crypto Kong21:43:42 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
😁
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Stefan21:43:44 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
also.... when approve all button?
Never
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Crypto Kong21:43:48 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
dammit lol
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funkit21:43:48 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
You just double check it will change your p key and hit blindly on the "yes! I'm stupid!" Button.
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Crypto Kong21:44:28 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
funkit
You just double check it will change your p key and hit blindly on the "yes! I'm stupid!" Button.
not all proposals from unknow sources are scams lol
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funkit21:45:04 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
But rare as snake feet
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Stefan21:45:30 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
not all proposals from unknow sources are scams lol
Whatcha doin?
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Crypto Kong21:45:46 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
dexbot stuff
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Crypto Kong21:46:42 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if i save the rest of the team on my whitelist does that then show without me unchecking the box? or do i need to be in their white list?
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Crypto Kong21:46:53 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
or both?
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hultqvist21:47:06 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
if i save the rest of the team on my whitelist does that then show without me unchecking the box? or do i need to be in their white list?
please look pm
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Crypto Kong21:49:59 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Never
how about approve all proposals from particular user?
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Stefan21:53:56 - 03 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
if i save the rest of the team on my whitelist does that then show without me unchecking the box? or do i need to be in their white list?
Depends on your operation.
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Josh00:41:02 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Depends on your operation.
Hi I do have a question about voting. How does it work and how many votes that we have to collect?
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Josh00:43:03 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I need an info for this on please 👆 if you can?
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Josh00:46:59 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Any admin here???
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litepresence01:07:35 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@sschiessl/bsip-draft-managed-vesting-balances-plus-savings-account-discussion-20181105t152833150z-post
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litepresence01:08:54 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0057.md
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Josh01:12:06 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
litepresence
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0057.md
👍👍👍
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Vladimir Pak03:24:14 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi ! Any listings today ?
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Mpu Helen03:50:13 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Jasmin Bhut04:09:50 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
No listing today
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Jasmin Bhut04:10:28 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Waiting for good ICO for last 2 months
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Jasmin Bhut04:10:42 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Share any new listing
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Jork Gonzalez06:29:25 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://t.me/COMPRAINTELIGENTEPAYPAL
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vvk06:46:20 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
@cmmob we recently got some discussion in the ru community about creating a Treasury bills-like assets on the Bitshares. The idea is loaning BTS for a fixed year-percent. Like 10% per year. One implementation could be creating BTS-backed MPA. Initial pricefeed is 1:1, and after one year pricefeed is ~1.15. Force settlement offset can be set to ~5% to prevent too early settlements (first ~4 months settlements will be for a loss, and after 12 month settlement will give ~10% profit). What do you think?
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Stefan06:47:19 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
vvk123
@cmmob we recently got some discussion in the ru community about creating a Treasury bills-like assets on the Bitshares. The idea is loaning BTS for a fixed year-percent. Like 10% per year. One implementation could be creating BTS-backed MPA. Initial pricefeed is 1:1, and after one year pricefeed is ~1.15. Force settlement offset can be set to ~5% to prevent too early settlements (first ~4 months settlements will be for a loss, and after 12 month settlement will give ~10% profit). What do you think?
Similar to Hero?
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vvk06:48:14 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Similar to Hero?
Yes, very much
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Stefan06:50:58 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Stockshredder
I need an info for this one please 👆 if you can?
Thanks @litepresence Let me know if you have anymore questions
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Fabian Schuh07:35:03 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
vvk123
Yes, very much
to operate something like that, you need traction, else it will disappear unnoticed by many .. (much like HERO) .. you need listings on exchanges, marketing, potentially even a branded wallet to be attractive. you also need documents that make the point ofit being a good 'investment' .. and last but not least, you need legal clarity and compliance with local regulation.
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vvk07:44:07 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
to operate something like that, you need traction, else it will disappear unnoticed by many .. (much like HERO) .. you need listings on exchanges, marketing, potentially even a branded wallet to be attractive. you also need documents that make the point ofit being a good 'investment' .. and last but not least, you need legal clarity and compliance with local regulation.
All true, at first we're just exchanging ideas
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hultqvist07:45:36 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
to operate something like that, you need traction, else it will disappear unnoticed by many .. (much like HERO) .. you need listings on exchanges, marketing, potentially even a branded wallet to be attractive. you also need documents that make the point ofit being a good 'investment' .. and last but not least, you need legal clarity and compliance with local regulation.
@xeroc can you help us with bitshares lottery? We need some pr in community
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Stefan07:53:37 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
vvk123
All true, at first we're just exchanging ideas
You may contact Stan for more details on what was done with the HERO
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Fabian Schuh08:18:38 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
For the technical aspects and scripting you can also reach out to us/BlockchainProjects.
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Kelvin Green09:23:10 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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Kelvin Green09:24:46 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Kelvin Green09:24:55 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Bitcoin, without doubt is the biggest and best selling crypto currency. STOP keeping your bitcoin and start mining your bitcoin for more earnings. With the help of our Bitmain Antminer S9 hardware connected to the blockchain Mining network.  you can earn up to 2.57840 btc in just a day and earn at least 0.08 btc. Join our Group of Miners Today and start earning BTC directly to your wallet. This are the packages you can participate on and their earnings, depends on the amount you want to start mining with. 👇👇👇👇👇👇 100$ gives you 1560$ 200$ gives you 2560$ 300$ gives you 3560$ 400$ gives you 4560$ 500$ gives you 5560$ DM FOR MORE DETAILS.
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Kelvin Green09:25:02 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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R09:29:52 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
to operate something like that, you need traction, else it will disappear unnoticed by many .. (much like HERO) .. you need listings on exchanges, marketing, potentially even a branded wallet to be attractive. you also need documents that make the point ofit being a good 'investment' .. and last but not least, you need legal clarity and compliance with local regulation.
Hero is in global settlement, so it's understandably dormant similar to bitusd
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R09:30:11 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Script is pretty easy, fork hero and increase 5 to 10.
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R09:30:53 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
But 10% per year is really low imo, norns that's like 10 days lol
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vvk09:31:55 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Rate is just for example. The goal is to provide more long-term loans (Norns provide just 2 weeks half-oscillation)
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R09:37:21 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
It could work but as Xeroc said, without heavy marketing its going to be rarely used
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Kelvin Green09:38:00 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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R09:45:21 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
to operate something like that, you need traction, else it will disappear unnoticed by many .. (much like HERO) .. you need listings on exchanges, marketing, potentially even a branded wallet to be attractive. you also need documents that make the point ofit being a good 'investment' .. and last but not least, you need legal clarity and compliance with local regulation.
If you're not seeking cex adoption do you still need to seek compliance/clarity?
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Fabian Schuh09:49:42 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
If you're not seeking cex adoption do you still need to seek compliance/clarity?
I am not a lawyer .. but I suppose in some countries, you will face legal trouble when marketing "financial products" that are not compliant/regulated ..
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R09:50:01 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
No marketing, sounds good 😂
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red-head09:55:33 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
.
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Shawn Yang (BTX500.com)10:23:20 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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Shawn Yang (BTX500.com)10:24:01 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Anyone can help us to translate a website ENG to RUS ?
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Shawn Yang (BTX500.com)10:24:18 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Must be native Russian speaker
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Shawn Yang (BTX500.com)10:24:30 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
with finance background
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Shawn Yang (BTX500.com)10:24:31 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
thx
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hultqvist10:25:01 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
wwwBTX500com
Must be native Russian speaker
Yep, write ne in pm
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hultqvist10:25:21 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Writte me in pm
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R10:27:47 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Google translate? :D
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Stefan10:28:37 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
wwwBTX500com
Anyone can help us to translate a website ENG to RUS ?
@blockchained
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George (Bitspark)10:29:04 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
wwwBTX500com
Anyone can help us to translate a website ENG to RUS ?
Is this related to bitshares ? Or you spamming ?
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Shawn Yang (BTX500.com)10:29:43 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
No, we are launching a Bitcoin futures trading platform shortly
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Shawn Yang (BTX500.com)10:30:27 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Just asking for help
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R10:31:02 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
wwwBTX500com
No, we are launching a Bitcoin futures trading platform shortly
On the Bitshares platform?
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George (Bitspark)10:31:20 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
wwwBTX500com
No, we are launching a Bitcoin futures trading platform shortly
Cool sounds like not related and can be deleted then
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Digital Lucife®10:43:25 - 04 Mar 2019 [UTC]
wwwBTX500com
No, we are launching a Bitcoin futures trading platform shortly
bitcoin futures ? oh mi amigo :)
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mooninwater
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Jennifer Kate04:27:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello everyone
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Dan04:59:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi all, I have a question. I made an EOS withdrawal from my account using the rudex gateway to an EOS address to open a new account, but apparently the intermediary account does'nt send it because i can't use the EOS account yet, does anyone know what the reason would be?
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Jennifer Kate04:59:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello
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favdesu
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yinfei05:42:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello, is there a business person in charge here?
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Stefan05:59:31 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Dan
Hi all, I have a question. I made an EOS withdrawal from my account using the rudex gateway to an EOS address to open a new account, but apparently the intermediary account does'nt send it because i can't use the EOS account yet, does anyone know what the reason would be?
@BitSharesDEX_RU
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Stefan06:00:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
FUBTfei
Hello, is there a business person in charge here?
What is your inquiry?
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Dan06:00:46 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
@BitSharesDEX_RU
Thanks i already wrote to them
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Stella Leone06:02:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Jennifer Kate06:39:25 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hi
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Dexy Bitshares08:13:09 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Is this query related to decaying votes? If yes, Core Team is actively performing research and (likely) drafting a new BSIP (informed by BSIP22). We have these Tasks on our existing sprints. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/projects
Could you give a link to the discussion, please? Can't find it. on github and the forum there aren't any mentions since 2017.
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Stefan08:17:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
dexy_cc
Could you give a link to the discussion, please? Can't find it. on github and the forum there aren't any mentions since 2017.
Please find the corresponding BSIP @ https://github.com/bitshares/bsips
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Dexy Bitshares08:20:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Please find the corresponding BSIP @ https://github.com/bitshares/bsips
yes i saw bsips #5 and #22. but there aren't any changes for the last 2 years
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Stefan08:21:09 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
dexy_cc
yes i saw bsips #5 and #22. but there aren't any changes for the last 2 years
There have only been discussions so far that we need it, not on specifics. So if there aren't any updates (please also check issues and PR in that repo!), then that is likely still most up to date
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Dexy Bitshares09:02:31 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
There have only been discussions so far that we need it, not on specifics. So if there aren't any updates (please also check issues and PR in that repo!), then that is likely still most up to date
Why are these bsips still not implemented? It was first proposed at 2015-12-16. the absence of decaying voices provokes corruption. it's like the absence of elections and the irremovability of power
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Stefan09:20:47 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
dexy_cc
Why are these bsips still not implemented? It was first proposed at 2015-12-16. the absence of decaying voices provokes corruption. it's like the absence of elections and the irremovability of power
BitShares is community driven, so the unsatisfactory answer is: No one cared enough yet to finalize the BSIP
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George (Bitspark)09:21:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
dexy_cc
Why are these bsips still not implemented? It was first proposed at 2015-12-16. the absence of decaying voices provokes corruption. it's like the absence of elections and the irremovability of power
Yep, the answer was Core didnt care enough to implement
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Stefan09:21:20 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Yep, the answer was Core didnt care enough to implement
You can't blame the core worker for that
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George (Bitspark)09:22:13 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
You can't blame the core worker for that
Why? Core has 1 job, listen to the market and implement changes to drive the project forward. Passing the blame game of 'not our job to implement it, you go do it" is a bit of a joke. Core is paid to do this
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Valera Cogut09:22:15 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
dexy_cc
Why are these bsips still not implemented? It was first proposed at 2015-12-16. the absence of decaying voices provokes corruption. it's like the absence of elections and the irremovability of power
I want to care about it soon
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Stefan09:22:53 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Why? Core has 1 job, listen to the market and implement changes to drive the project forward. Passing the blame game of 'not our job to implement it, you go do it" is a bit of a joke. Core is paid to do this
The BSIP is not finalized and not voted in. I agree with your sentiment if it is voted it.
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Stefan09:23:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
The core workers job is not to pick up half-done BSIPs (especially ones that involve governance / politics) and polish them to put up for voting. That is the communities job
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George (Bitspark)09:23:46 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The BSIP is not finalized and not voted in. I agree with your sentiment if it is voted it.
So whos taken it upon themselves to surbey the market, get feedback, push it forward, ask proxies, add it to roadmap, discuss implementation. Nobody has when Core everyday should be looking at the BSIP list and using it as an implementation roadmap based on feedback
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George (Bitspark)09:23:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The core workers job is not to pick up half-done BSIPs (especially ones that involve governance / politics) and polish them to put up for voting. That is the communities job
disagree
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Dima BLCKCHND09:24:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
So whos taken it upon themselves to survey the market, get feedback, push it forward, ask proxies, add it to roadmap, discuss implementation. Nobody has when Core everyday should be looking at the BSIP list and using it as an implementation roadmap based on feedback
I thought we pay this guy 250k a year
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George (Bitspark)09:25:02 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The core workers job is not to pick up half-done BSIPs (especially ones that involve governance / politics) and polish them to put up for voting. That is the communities job
thats literally their job. Community are not core developers, core developers are core developers, it is their job to review and draft what the community wants into the protocol
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Stefan09:25:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Ryan is investigating the need for the BSIP, yet I still don't think it would be his duty to do so
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Valera Cogut09:26:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I want to do it just a bit later and for free !
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Dima BLCKCHND09:26:09 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
@ryanRfox isn't it part of your job?
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George (Bitspark)09:26:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Ryan is investigating the need for the BSIP, yet I still don't think it would be his duty to do so
Yep thats great, happy to assist Ryan however we can to move it forward
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Dima BLCKCHND09:27:05 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Yep thats great, happy to assist Ryan however we can to move it forward
+++
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Dima BLCKCHND09:27:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
We need this
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Stefan09:27:19 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
thats literally their job. Community are not core developers, core developers are core developers, it is their job to review and draft what the community wants into the protocol
You don't need to be a developer to finalize a BSIP. Even if, how do they know what the community ones? I can't expect him to scan telegram all day
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Dima BLCKCHND09:27:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
To abbey corruption
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Stefan09:28:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Yep thats great, happy to assist Ryan however we can to move it forward
Move it forward? Go collect feedback, or give feedback on the BSIP, and help finalize it :)
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Dima BLCKCHND09:28:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Move it forward? Go collect feedback, or give feedback on the BSIP, and help finalize it :)
Core is paid for this
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George (Bitspark)09:28:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
You don't need to be a developer to finalize a BSIP. Even if, how do they know what the community wants? I can't expect him to scan telegram all day
Yes you do, a BSIP requires protocol level technical specification, the best people to do that level of detail is the core team, low level protocol technical implementation is what they get paid to do.
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R09:28:53 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
To be fair it was opposed due to voter apathy concerns when written
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Dima BLCKCHND09:29:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
To be fair it was opposed due to voter apathy concerns when written
Now we have a problem with the gatekeeping it is a time
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George (Bitspark)09:30:19 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
We need this To refuse corruption
👍👍
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R09:31:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
To proceed with bsips, a wp vote could be cast for community approval
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R09:31:24 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
That said core has been looking into bsips
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Stefan09:31:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
Now we have a problem with the gatekeeping it is a time
All available daily BTS are being paid out, where do you see gatekeeping at the moment?
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Stefan09:32:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
Core is paid for this
I take back what I said above, I should not insenuate what the core workers job is when clearly Ryan is already looking into it, making it his job :)
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Dima BLCKCHND09:32:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
All available daily BTS are being paid out to workers, where do you see gatekeeping at the moment?
3 proxy making decisions
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Stefan09:33:27 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
3 proxy making decisions
Surely, with the current payout I would say they are prioritizing and not gatekeeping (I would understand gatekeeping as complete denial of any payout)
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Dima BLCKCHND09:34:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Surely, with the current payout I would say they are prioritizing and not gatekeeping (I would understand gatekeeping as complete denial of any payout)
Escrow that pay it self for service before the work done is gatekeeper in my reality as well
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Fabian Schuh09:36:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
Escrow that pay it self for service before the work done is gatekeeper in my reality as well
i am not paid for any of my votes ..
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Stefan09:37:24 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
He refers to the escrow fee being paid together with every incoming invoice
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Fabian Schuh09:37:27 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
Escrow that pay it self for service before the work done is gatekeeper in my reality as well
you should complain with the escrow and not bother the community with your accusations INHO
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Dima BLCKCHND09:38:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
i am not paid for any of my votes ..
I said nothing about you, I just said that is a good idea to have this bsip implemented To fight corruption
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Fabian Schuh09:38:24 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
I said nothing about you, I just said that is a good idea to have this bsip implemented To fight corruption
yeah, sorry .. read that the wrong way :)
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Dima BLCKCHND09:38:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
you should complain with the escrow and not bother the community with your accusations INHO
I'm not a worker I'm observer, and my complaints I will form other way
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Dima BLCKCHND09:40:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Or you said that community can't discuss an escrow work publicly?
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Dima BLCKCHND09:40:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Escrow paid by community ad far as I know
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Stefan09:41:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
Or you said that community can't discuss an escrow work publicly?
The particular issue you raised above was already discussed in great detail in here last time. It is now the time to find alternatives or other solutions to your key issue, and that needs to be discussed with the escrow imo
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Stefan09:41:44 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Another great alternative would be to setup a second escrow :)
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Fabian Schuh09:41:46 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
well, i read the worker proposals and see an escrow fee being mentioned .. they thek that fee for what they pay out to the workers .. I see nobproblem with that
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Fabian Schuh09:42:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Another great alternative would be to setup a second escrow :)
this would also solve the (non-) issue of gatekeeper
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Dima BLCKCHND09:45:12 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
well, i read the worker proposals and see an escrow fee being mentioned .. they thek that fee for what they pay out to the workers .. I see nobproblem with that
For me no problem with escrow if it makes its work, when escrow paid themselves for work that was not done, saying to devs that escrow doesn't have money, what point in this escrow? Better to be paid by blockchain directly, in this case you at least have a chance to gain something if price rise, and don't need to feed some useless entity
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Fabian Schuh09:47:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Given that you complained so heavily, the BBF has actually requested modifications for the "paying out" scheme ... it now directly accounts away the escrow fee (percentage-wise) according to every payout that is made. That ensures that everyone knows exactly when the fee is due, that the accounting has it all properly reflected and that the escrow fee is only paid for the work done when reviewing invoices and the work done for milestones .. happy with that?
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Fabian Schuh09:48:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
And surely the BBF is not a gatekeeper as everyone can setup worker proposals (as you noted yourself). Neither can you blame me for being a gatewkeeper as I do support workers outside of BBF escrow as well ..
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Fabian Schuh09:48:19 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
(that has all been discussed and published here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26744.0)
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Stefan09:48:24 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
@xeroc could you explain please how it possible for escrow to take money before the work done? https://workers.bitshares.foundation/2018-09-rossul-ui
Read the history here, and please add questions where more clarification is needed
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Dima BLCKCHND09:50:04 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
Given that you complained so heavily, the BBF has actually requested modifications for the "paying out" scheme ... it now directly accounts away the escrow fee (percentage-wise) according to every payout that is made. That ensures that everyone knows exactly when the fee is due, that the accounting has it all properly reflected and that the escrow fee is only paid for the work done when reviewing invoices and the work done for milestones .. happy with that?
it is better, yes
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Dima BLCKCHND09:52:05 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Read the history here, and please add questions where more clarification is needed
what done is done, you can't put a toothpaste back in a tube
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Fabian Schuh09:52:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Glad to hear you like the update :D
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Stefan09:52:44 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
what done is done, you can't put a toothpaste back in a tube
Of course it is done, but there is clearly still a lack of clarity otherwise you would not have brought it up again
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Dima BLCKCHND09:55:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Of course it is done, but there is clearly still a lack of clarity otherwise you would not have brought it up again
sure, brought it up again on you request "where do you see gatekeeping at the moment?" I see it in - 3 proxy making decision - 1 escrow for the majority of workers - a solid team that protect 2 previous points, in this chat for quite a while
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Dima BLCKCHND09:57:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
yes i saw bsips #5 and #22. but there aren't any changes for the last 2 years
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Stefan09:57:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
sure, brought it up again on you request "where do you see gatekeeping at the moment?" I see it in - 3 proxy making decision - 1 escrow for the majority of workers - a solid team that protect 2 previous points, in this chat for quite a while
I don't think anyone is defending the status of having 3 proxies being able to force decisions. And saying we only have 1 escrow is totally a different horse that questioning the payment process of said escrow (still happy to hear alternatives)
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Dima BLCKCHND09:57:45 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
this lead us to this
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Dima BLCKCHND09:58:12 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
yes i saw bsips #5 and #22. but there aren't any changes for the last 2 years
and meanwhile
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Dima BLCKCHND09:59:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
this is a start of conversation for me
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Fabian Schuh09:59:21 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
We actually have two escrows ... the team behind DEXBOT runs escrows separately ..
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Stefan09:59:48 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
and meanwhile
Please assist in finalizing it! One very interesting thing (for me) would be to create statistics on current setup. For example: - how is current proxy distribution, how much own stake? - how many dead accounts are proxying? - how many alive accounts exist that do not vote?
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Dima BLCKCHND09:59:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
We actually have two escrows ... the team behind DEXBOT runs escrows separately ..
how much workers go through and what their fees?
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Fabian Schuh10:00:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If you want core team to take on a particular BSIP, i recommend you take on the job of "caretaker" for the bsip ... there are a lot of BSIPs that don't have a caretaker, and they don't get implemented because other bsips have caretakers ..
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Stefan10:00:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
how much workers go through and what their fees?
They have the cabinet, and last time they talked about escrowing outside proposals for flat 100k BTS I think. @Cryptokong123 knows more
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Fabian Schuh10:00:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
The Dexbot cabinet (the escrow behind exbot) has had 3 workers (IIRC) and 2 of them made it through ..
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Fabian Schuh10:01:15 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Plus what Stefan says ... their fee is *way* higher then the BBFs
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Fabian Schuh10:01:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
(comparison difficult as they ask the fee in BTS flat and BBF asks for stablecoin percentage)
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Dima BLCKCHND10:06:51 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
We actually have two escrows ... the team behind DEXBOT runs escrows separately ..
also, we have a Chinese community that use the core feature of this blockchain, to be paid with no 3d party involved between I said, not only one, but "1 escrow for the `majority` of workers"
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Stefan10:08:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
also, we have a Chinese community that use the core feature of this blockchain, to be paid with no 3d entity involved between. I said, not only one, but "1 escrow for the majority of workers"
Not completely correct, they do use a multi-sig inbetween.
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Dima BLCKCHND10:09:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Not completely correct, they do use a multi-sig inbetween.
are they take any comission for this?
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Stefan10:09:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
The escrow certainly takes away the usage of the core feature i.e. no one holds your tokens inbetween. The value proposition of the escrow is another thing: a) Reduce volatility risk for both parties. The freelancer has the risk of being underpaid if the core token price drops, the blockchain has the risk to overpay the freelancer if the core token price raises. From a business and service provider's perspective both is inacceptible. b) Operating risk for the blockchain. The freelancer gets paid no matter what, may not deliver what was promised, only partially or faulty. It also has happend that the freelancer decided to follow a different path with the budget, without the need to get reapproval from core token holders. c) From a tax perspective, the tokens "appear" out of nowhere in the freelancers account, without an entity in grasp to bill to. Without special considerations this can imply tax liabilities (e.g. 25% VAT is to be avoided!), and we (in the blockchain space) have it hard enough towards the authorities, thus we need to get in order what we can.
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Dima BLCKCHND10:10:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The escrow certainly takes away the usage of the core feature i.e. no one holds your tokens inbetween. The value proposition of the escrow is another thing: a) Reduce volatility risk for both parties. The freelancer has the risk of being underpaid if the core token price drops, the blockchain has the risk to overpay the freelancer if the core token price raises. From a business and service provider's perspective both is inacceptible. b) Operating risk for the blockchain. The freelancer gets paid no matter what, may not deliver what was promised, only partially or faulty. It also has happend that the freelancer decided to follow a different path with the budget, without the need to get reapproval from core token holders. c) From a tax perspective, the tokens "appear" out of nowhere in the freelancers account, without an entity in grasp to bill to. Without special considerations this can imply tax liabilities (e.g. 25% VAT is to be avoided!), and we (in the blockchain space) have it hard enough towards the authorities, thus we need to get in order what we can.
a) Reduce volatility risk for both parties. - fail
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Stefan10:10:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
are they take any commission for this?
I don't know, if then it only behind doors
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Stefan10:10:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
a) Reduce volatility risk for both parties. - fail
Facts please
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Dima BLCKCHND10:11:12 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Facts please
devs have all risk to be no paid even if they voted in
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Stefan10:11:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
devs have all risks to be not paid even if they voted in
That is hardly a volatility risk
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Dima BLCKCHND10:12:05 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
That is hardly a volatility risk
what sense in escrow though?
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Stefan10:12:13 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If the worker is not active nothing helps, that is the final shutdown from the voters.
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Dima BLCKCHND10:12:30 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
If the worker is not active nothing helps, that is the final shutdown from the voters.
I talk about active orker
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Stefan10:12:35 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
what sense in escrow though?
Did you read my points above? a)-c)
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Dima BLCKCHND10:12:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Did you read my points above? a)-c)
a) already fail
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Stefan10:13:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
I talk about active worker
Ok so you are clearly talking about Rossul worker.
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Alex M - clockwork10:13:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I shoudl remind everyone that vote decay will likely make things worse rom a governance PoV
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Stefan10:13:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Please explain to me how the escrow failed there, or hasn't paid the devs
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Stefan10:13:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
a) already fail
Please explain to me how the escrow failed there, or hasn't paid the devs
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Alex M - clockwork10:13:41 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Baozi votes with hiw own stake
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Alex M - clockwork10:13:51 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
vote decay doesn not influence him
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Alex M - clockwork10:14:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
simply make his stake stronger
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Alex M - clockwork10:14:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
same with Jerry
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Alex M - clockwork10:14:47 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
its those kind of details that had to be researched in the BSIP
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Dima BLCKCHND10:14:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Ok so you are clearly talking about Rossul worker.
because we invited these teams to bitshares, observe their work, and I fil responsible for their problems with our worker system, yes
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Stefan10:16:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
because we invited these teams to bitshares, observe their work, and I fil responsible for their problems with our worker system, yes
Please explain to me how the escrow has failed in terms of volatility with respect to the Rossul worker
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Dima BLCKCHND10:16:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Please explain to me how the escrow has failed in terms of volatility with respect to the Rossul worker
paid it self in fron of devs
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Stefan10:16:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
paid itself in front of devs
Not true, it paid the invoice of the freelance and then the escrow free.
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Dima BLCKCHND10:17:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Not true, it paid the invoice of the freelance and then the escrow free. Next please
is work done?
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Stefan10:17:29 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
is work done?
The escrow fee is applicable to every invoice. If you want it otherwise, tell GrapheneLab to only send one invoice at the ned
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Dima BLCKCHND10:18:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The escrow fee is applicable to every invoice. If you want it otherwise, tell GrapheneLab and Rossul to only send one invoice at the end
now I know that you escrow work this way)
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Alex M - clockwork10:19:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
didnt we already have this discussion 2 weeks ago?
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Stefan10:20:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
now I know that your escrow work this way)
The applicable escrow fee would always have to be withheld in case the worker becomes inactive. If you don't do that we would work for free. Can you setup an escrow @blockchained and do it like you suggest now? I bet you wouldn't, at the end people involved need to be paid (including hours from BBF)
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Stefan10:21:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
we will raise this question in forum as well that you have time to answer
Jup, starting here @clockworkgr
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Stefan10:21:36 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The applicable escrow fee would always have to be withheld in case the worker becomes inactive. If you don't do that we would work for free at the end if worker suddenly goes inactive but freelance are already paid. Can you setup an escrow @blockchained and do it like you suggest now? I bet you wouldn't, at the end people involved need to be paid (including hours from BBF)
I would even happily push to use your escrow for our next worker :)
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Permie10:21:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
We actually have two escrows ... the team behind DEXBOT runs escrows separately ..
Yes we do Cabinet is a 6 member board that requires 3/6 multisig approval to approve payments. WP funding enters the cabinet-multisig-DEXBot-wp2 account, and from there cannot be spent without 3 member approval. We facilitate the DEXBot project and are looking for more WPs to support. Each member is currently paid for 3hrs work per month verifying tx for DEXBot. But for other projects in the future this is subject to change. I am the project manager of DEXBot, in very regular contact between the cabinet and the development team. Yes, we did ask for a flat fee of 100k bts instead of 3hrs*6people per month. But in negotiations we retreated from that in this particular circumstance The Cabinet is keen to take on more WP projects in the future and are open to supporting any community members who have a WP idea and want a layer of cabinet security to guarantee to the bts voters that money will not be misspent
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Dima BLCKCHND10:22:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
we will raise this question in forum as well that you have time to answer
I'm still collectinng data, need more time)
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Dima BLCKCHND10:23:09 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you will have our questions be sure
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Stefan10:23:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
I'm still collecting data, need more time)
So you just wanted to come here with uncertain data, doubting the escrow and spread fear among the community in the system?
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Dima BLCKCHND10:23:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
So you just wanted to come here with uncertain data, doubting the escrow and spread fear among the community in the system?
nope, you asked I answerd
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Dima BLCKCHND10:24:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
don't bring anything everething is already here
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Stefan10:25:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I asked about gatekeepers, you start with escrow fee because you are upset over Rossul worker when you actually mean the fact that there is only one main escrow
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Dima BLCKCHND10:25:33 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
I asked about gatekeepers, you start with escrow fee because you are upset over Rossul worker when you actually mean the fact that there is only one main escrow
wow
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Dima BLCKCHND10:25:36 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
nice try
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Dima BLCKCHND10:25:40 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
but no
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Dima BLCKCHND10:25:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Im not upset at all
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Dima BLCKCHND10:26:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Im observe and collecting data
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Stefan10:26:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hm, then I misread your intentions, apologies
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Dima BLCKCHND10:26:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If you don't like my research it dosen't mean that ia bad for community
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Dima BLCKCHND10:27:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you are contractor, you fight for you place, it is ok
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Dima BLCKCHND10:28:21 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I'm not, I'm just holder witness and proxy
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Dima BLCKCHND10:29:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
due diligence
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Stefan10:29:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
If you don't like my research it doesn't mean that is bad for community
I like your research, and I would appreciate any pointers how to better the process
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R10:29:30 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
I shoudl remind everyone that vote decay will likely make things worse rom a governance PoV
Countering voter apathy is a priority, but I don't have empathy for unactive entities losing vote weight
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Stefan10:30:46 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Please assist in finalizing it! One very interesting thing (for me) would be to create statistics on current setup. For example: - how is current proxy distribution, how much own stake? - how many dead accounts are proxying? - how many alive accounts exist that do not vote?
I'm quite certain that this analysis would give you a very accurate view on the voting power afterwards
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Alex M - clockwork10:32:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
Countering voter apathy is a priority, but I don't have empathy for unactive entities losing vote weight
me neither...but i think apathy is "stronger" than people think...
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R10:35:21 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
me neither...but i think apathy is "stronger" than people think...
Perhaps. Campaigning for roles has decreased since btsx though. If people don't campaign and engage the community then they won't actively vote. Ppy is pushing for a very fast vote decay where as I believe there should be a full weight duration like govt elections before a slow decay. Nobody should have permanent votes from now dead users.
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Stefan10:36:54 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
Perhaps. Campaigning for roles has decreased since btsx though. If people don't campaign and engage the community then they won't actively vote. Ppy is pushing for a very fast vote decay where as I believe there should be a full weight duration like govt elections before a slow decay. Nobody should have permanent votes from now dead users.
Agreeing fully with that. Nevertheless, the issues of gatekeeping will just be worse afterwards IMO (not that it would not be the more decentralized way though, the chinese are simple the ones most heavily invested with their own stake)
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Alex M - clockwork10:39:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
by a quick estimate
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Alex M - clockwork10:40:33 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
decaying votes would leave core & btspp active
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Dexy Bitshares10:40:44 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
witnesses can and MUST publish their own MSSR (core function). why only three people who have accepted this reducing 1.10 -> 1.05 -> 1.02 can dictate to them? in the begining they forced every witness to publish fake settlement prices of assets (bsip42) and now this sh*t. is it consensus? what if tommorow this three people elect a king of bitshares and forbid anyone to vote ? should witnesses also accept this new rules?
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Alex M - clockwork10:40:47 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
maybe ref faucet too
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Alex M - clockwork10:40:54 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
but thats about it
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R10:41:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Haoge168
witnesses can and MUST publish their own MSSR (core function). why only three people who have accepted this reducing 1.10 -> 1.05 -> 1.02 can dictate to them? in the begining they forced every witness to publish fake settlement prices of assets (bsip42) and now this sh*t. is it consensus? what if tommorow this three people elect a king of bitshares and forbid anyone to vote ? should witnesses also accept this new rules?
Don't be so dependant on the bitassets, diversify.
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Stefan10:43:20 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Haoge168
witnesses can and MUST publish their own MSSR (core function). why only three people who have accepted this reducing 1.10 -> 1.05 -> 1.02 can dictate to them? in the begining they forced every witness to publish fake settlement prices of assets (bsip42) and now this sh*t. is it consensus? what if tommorow this three people elect a king of bitshares and forbid anyone to vote ? should witnesses also accept this new rules?
They ultimately wouldn't have a choice, lol
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Alexey "Безликий" Petrov10:43:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Please assist in finalizing it! One very interesting thing (for me) would be to create statistics on current setup. For example: - how is current proxy distribution, how much own stake? - how many dead accounts are proxying? - how many alive accounts exist that do not vote?
`how many dead accounts are proxying?` ~70%
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R10:43:44 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Tnam0rken
how many dead accounts are proxying? ~70%
There's probably a few
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Alex M - clockwork10:54:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Haoge168
witnesses can and MUST publish their own MSSR (core function). why only three people who have accepted this reducing 1.10 -> 1.05 -> 1.02 can dictate to them? in the begining they forced every witness to publish fake settlement prices of assets (bsip42) and now this sh*t. is it consensus? what if tommorow this three people elect a king of bitshares and forbid anyone to vote ? should witnesses also accept this new rules?
they can
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fav10:57:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I see you guys are productive in here. needs some gifs now
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:00:12 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Facts please
Guys asked me to look into it, and formulate their vision in good English, but as usual I'll also add, what I've learned from looking into the matter. Here goes.
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fav11:02:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
"The best wallet for storing Bitshares is a paper bag called a refrigerator. Since it is an offline storage, it allows you to write your details and keep them for yourself. You are in control of your money." what the fuck did I just read
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fav11:02:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27863.0
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:02:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
The outstanding unpaid invoice was sent on 19th of Feb, and it was left unpaid with the claim that the escrow doesn't have enough funds. According to the webside that describes the function of the escrow (https://www.bitshares.foundation/worker/), is that its purpose is to reduce the risks of BTS volatility. Specifically: `The purpose of escrow workers is to ensure proper payment for the work provided over a period of time and absorb volatility of the BTS token during that time. The freelancer has a reduced currency-risk during while the BitShares DAC does not overpay for the provided work, especially for long-term agreements.` From looking at the invoices, we can see that the 5% fee was taken (and I think this was discussed here back in february), but the obligation that escrow is liable to fullfil isn't fulfilled.
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:03:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Invoices can be seen at https://workers.bitshares.foundation/2018-09-rossul-ui
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Stefan11:07:24 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
The outstanding unpaid invoice was sent on 19th of Feb, and it was left unpaid with the claim that the escrow doesn't have enough funds. According to the webside that describes the function of the escrow (https://www.bitshares.foundation/worker/), is that its purpose is to reduce the risks of BTS volatility. Specifically: The purpose of escrow workers is to ensure proper payment for the work provided over a period of time and absorb volatility of the BTS token during that time. The freelancer has a reduced currency-risk during while the BitShares DAC does not overpay for the provided work, especially for long-term agreements. From looking at the invoices, we can see that the 5% fee was taken (and I think this was discussed here back in february), but the obligation that escrow is liable to fullfil isn't fulfilled.
Escrow can only pay out funds that the community has approved through keeping the worker active. At the moment there are roughly 5k bitUSD available.
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:09:21 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Escrow can only pay out funds that the community has approved through keeping the worker active. At the moment there are roughly 5k bitUSD available.
If that is the case, then I suppose that the description of the escrow worker has to have a disclaimer about that. From what I gained in looking at this case, I suspect that what happened is that the description of escrow worker was written during the time, when the prospects of high bts price drop were not taken into the account, or something similar.
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:10:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
If that is the case, then I suppose that the description of the escrow worker has to have a disclaimer about that. From what I gained in looking at this case, I suspect that what happened is that the description of escrow worker was written during the time, when the prospects of high bts price drop were not taken into the account, or something similar.
Or to clarify a drop as high, as the one that happened.
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Dima BLCKCHND11:10:35 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Escrow can only pay out funds that the community has approved through keeping the worker active. At the moment there are roughly 5k bitUSD available.
I'm curious, are you also the contractor for the bbf escrow among all other contracts for the work with bitshares community?
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Dima BLCKCHND11:11:47 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
your level of awareness about escrow is amazing
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Stefan11:12:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
I'm curious, are you also the contractor for the bbf escrow among all other contracts for the work with bitshares community?
I work for Blockchain Projects BV, which is a contractor for BBF
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Dima BLCKCHND11:12:45 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
I work for Blockchain Projects BV, which is a contractor for BBF
yes, but not only this worker as i see, thats why Im ask
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Stefan11:13:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
Or to clarify a drop as high, as the one that happened.
The worker was created last October, USD/BTS should have been around 10 cents. The main isse results from the Rossul worker not being active
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:14:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The worker was created last October, USD/BTS should have been around 10 cents. The main issue results from the Rossul worker not being active
The situation with Rossul worker surfaced several times, both when it was active, and when not.
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Stefan11:14:36 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
yes, but not only this worker as I see, thats why Im ask
Which worker are you refering to? The escrow per se has no worker
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:14:47 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
At the time of the situation in question, as far as I can see it was active at the time.
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Stefan11:14:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
The situation with Rossul worker surfaced several times, both when it was active, and when not.
As I remember it, it only surfaced when it was not active, or due to not being active
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Stefan11:15:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
At the time of the situation in question, as far as I can see it was active at the time.
On February the 19th you mean?
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:15:48 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I suspect that a good way to procced is to initiate the discussion about the fate of this worker. From their reports, Rossul finished the design part, and the funds are lacking to finish the implementation phase.
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Stefan11:16:15 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
I suspect that a good way to procced is to initiate the discussion about the fate of this worker. From their reports, Rossul finished the design part, and the funds are lacking to finish the implementation phase.
The worker has been inactive since a couple days, and I have not seen any marketing efforts yet.
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:16:21 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Also it can possibly gather enough stakeholder stupport to get funding.
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:16:35 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Marketing efforts?
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Stefan11:16:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
Marketing efforts?
Worker inactive -> Go to the community and promote
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Stefan11:18:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Talking about inactive/active: If that causes confusion, please inquire the BBF on the reasoning for paying out invoices as it did There have been extended periods of time where the worker was inactive and could not collect funds
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:19:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Okay, so the stakeholder support that left was from the proxy associated with BBF through their subcontractor, Blockchain Projects BV, right? So the community that they have to talk to are you, correct?
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:19:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Well, that is the easiest route, right?
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:19:33 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
So I can tell them to market to you guys?
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:20:05 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I am a bit confused. :D
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Stefan11:20:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
So I can tell them to market to you guys?
They can, we (BCP) are fully aware of the impact, so we are not the best target for marketing
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:21:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
BCP?
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Stefan11:21:29 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Blockchain Projects BV
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Mrs AnnJames11:21:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello
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Mrs AnnJames11:22:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I'm Ann
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Mrs AnnJames11:22:51 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Hello everyone
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Denis.B11:22:58 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
The worker has been inactive since a couple days, and I have not seen any marketing efforts yet.
Then could you explain why you unvoted us? What exactly prompted this and how to get your voice back? I'm talking about the account blockchain-bv
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Dima BLCKCHND11:24:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
They can, we (BCP) are fully aware of the impact, so we are not the best target for marketing
lol
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Dima BLCKCHND11:26:58 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Which worker are you refering to? The escrow per se has no worker
you forgot in how many workers you involved?
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hultqvist11:27:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
lol
more marketing)
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Dima BLCKCHND11:28:15 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
I work for Blockchain Projects BV, which is a contractor for BBF
GL is also working with BBF, and didn't have 10% of you expert knowledge
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John Paul Clifford11:35:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
https://t.me/joinchat/IG4FlE5FYlhez_zoVgqECA
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Fabian Schuh11:36:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Denis_GL
Then could you explain why you unvoted us? What exactly prompted this and how to get your voice back? I'm talking about the account blockchain-bv
Stefan is an employee .. the stake is owned by the company .. if you need them to do something with their stake, write an email to info@blockchainprojectsbv.com
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Stefan11:36:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Which worker are you refering to? The escrow per se has no worker
You said "this worker". Which one are you referring to? Rossul?
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Fabian Schuh11:37:33 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Denis_GL
Then could you explain why you unvoted us? What exactly prompted this and how to get your voice back? I'm talking about the account blockchain-bv
you have been messaged the reason in your very own channel ..
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Denis.B11:37:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
Stefan is an employee .. the stake is owned by the company .. if you need them to do something with their stake, write an email to info@blockchainprojectsbv.com
Thx) And there is no official representative in the Telegram?
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Fabian Schuh11:38:09 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
not for blockchain projects proxy, no
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:38:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Denis_GL
Thx) And there is no official representative in the Telegram?
From Stefan's activity, I actually assumed that he is an official representative in Telegram, no>
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Alex M - clockwork11:39:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
amazing
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Jonathan Bahai11:41:58 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Denis_GL
Thx) And there is no official representative in the Telegram?
There was a recent worker proposed to have stefan and Fabian if I recall right to represent bitshares as speakers at conferences etc representing bitshares valued proposition.. didn't mention telegram technically but I think the medium is irrelevant
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Fabian Schuh11:42:29 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
JBahai
There was a recent worker proposed to have stefan and Fabian if I recall right to represent bitshares as speakers at conferences etc representing bitshares valued proposition.. didn't mention telegram technically but I think the medium is irrelevant
News to me .. I never applied to be representing anyone
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Fabian Schuh11:42:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
There was a worker for *decentralized* that had slots open for community members to participate with presentations, Neither I, nor Stefan attended
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Stefan11:43:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
From Stefan's activity, I actually assumed that he is an official representative in Telegram, no?
Formal inquiries via email, anything in Telegram in informal
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Stefan11:43:39 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
There was a worker for *decentralized* that had slots open for community members to participate with presentations, Neither I, nor Stefan attended
He means the marketing worker
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Dima BLCKCHND11:43:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
He means the marketing worker
yep their you involved too
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Alex M - clockwork11:44:02 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
totally different thing that
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Fabian Schuh11:44:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
yep their you involved too
First they complain about lack of marketing, then they complain about involvment .. hilarious
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Alex M - clockwork11:44:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
yep their you involved too
you say that as if it's bad thing
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Dima BLCKCHND11:44:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
First they complain about lack of marketing, then they complain about involvment .. hilarious
me? complain?
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Dima BLCKCHND11:44:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
didn't see that
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Dima BLCKCHND11:46:04 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
you say that as if it's bad thing
bad thing same faces everywere - this is a bad thing
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Dima BLCKCHND11:46:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
marketing good though
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Jonathan Bahai11:46:35 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
First they complain about lack of marketing, then they complain about involvment .. hilarious
He didn't... the issue is people who appear to have paid roles don't appear to be acknowledging them... it appears...
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Stefan11:46:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
bad thing the same faces everywhere - this is a bad thing
Please step up and be one of those!
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Dima BLCKCHND11:46:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
JBahai
He didn't... the issue is people who appear to have paid roles don't appear to be acknowledging them... it appears...
this
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Stefan11:47:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
JBahai
He didn't... the issue is people who appear to have paid roles don't appear to be acknowledging them... it appears...
Please bring facts to that statement
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Alex M - clockwork11:47:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
bad thing the same faces everywhere - this is a bad thing
that I agree with...at the same time I havent seen many alternatives
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Alex M - clockwork11:47:54 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
JBahai
He didn't... the issue is people who appear to have paid roles don't appear to be acknowledging them... it appears...
offering to write up articles and do a couple of interviews != representing bitshares or bcp
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Fabian Schuh11:47:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Everyone is free to compete and do a better job ..
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Alex M - clockwork11:48:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hardly see what there was to be acknowledged
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Dima BLCKCHND11:48:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
Everyone is free to compete and do a better job ..
sure, I remind that all this question starts from the discussion on bsip about voting decay
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Jonathan Bahai11:49:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Please bring facts to that statement
Marketing proposal that is voted for has you as the guy.. when asked who represents you said essentially it's not you... can scroll back up to read the sequence.. but it got side tracked by misdirection by other parties.. it appears. Hope this helps bring some focus to help everyone understand the questions being raised.
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Fabian Schuh11:50:29 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
sure, I remind that all this question starts from the discussion on bsip about voting decay
I don't participate in that discussion (due to obvious bias) ... not sure why you make it look like that
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Dima BLCKCHND11:51:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc
I don't participate in that discussion (due to obvious bias) ... not sure why you make it look like that
why? ths bsips questions your power as a proxy?
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Stefan11:51:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
JBahai
Marketing proposal that is voted for has you as the guy.. when asked who represents you said essentially it's not you... can scroll back up to read the sequence.. but it got side tracked by misdirection by other parties.. it appears. Hope this helps bring some focus to help everyone understand the questions being raised.
The marketing proposal is a project, whcih I surely represent as the contact person. The question was on representing BCP, or more precisely, the proxy blockchain-bv
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fav11:51:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if we add vote decay I'll bet the very same ppl crying for it now will then start crying about chinese whales in absolute power
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Alex M - clockwork11:52:02 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
so wait
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fav11:52:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you need to select your poison very carefully
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Alex M - clockwork11:52:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
let's assume for teh sake of argument that we can lump stake on an individual basis
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Alex M - clockwork11:52:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
xeroc has "control" over his and bcp's stake
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Alex M - clockwork11:53:12 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
he votes for rossul with ~140m as xeroc
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Alex M - clockwork11:53:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and removed votes as bcp as you say (around 6m)
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Dima BLCKCHND11:53:35 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
if we add vote decay I'll bet the very same ppl crying for it now will then start crying about chinese whales in absolute power
I didn't saw as much workers voted in by Chinese community, so I'm not sure what you talking about
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fav11:54:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
talking about the vote decay bsip
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fav11:54:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
as mentioned :)
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Alex M - clockwork11:54:19 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you do realise all this effort to target xeroc and the bbf would be better directed at convincing baozi/bitcrab/ronny and otehrs to vote for the rossul worker instead right?
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Stefan11:55:04 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
you do realise all this effort to target xeroc and the bbf would be better directed at convincing baozi/bitcrab/ronny and otehrs to vote for the rossul worker instead right?
We are among the very responsive ones, I guess just hits us first. I bet they are inquirying them as well :)
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Alex M - clockwork11:55:58 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
I didn't saw as much workers voted in by Chinese community, so I'm not sure what you talking about
exactly....vote decay without careful consideration of its efefcts and countering them would leave almost all controlling power to the big whales leading to almost all workers being inactive
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Alex M - clockwork11:56:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hence why that bsip needs work
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Dima BLCKCHND11:56:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
you do realise all this effort to target xeroc and the bbf would be better directed at convincing baozi/bitcrab/ronny and otehrs to vote for the rossul worker instead right?
is not about proxy vote I repeat, I'm not a worker but I have open eyes
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Alex M - clockwork11:56:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
is not about proxy vote I repeat, I'm not a worker but I have open eyes
was mostly responding to xanoxt's comments above...sorry for the confusion
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Dima BLCKCHND11:57:40 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
exactly....vote decay without careful consideration of its efefcts and countering them would leave almost all controlling power to the big whales leading to almost all workers being inactive
nothing changes, for the moment same whale decides
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Dima BLCKCHND11:58:09 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
but community will have some protection
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Dima BLCKCHND11:58:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
against corruption
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Alex M - clockwork11:58:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
not really
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Alex M - clockwork11:59:39 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
would make thigns worse unless we have a well thought out plan and incentives and platform to counter voter apathy
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R12:00:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
That's something for campaigners to figure out.
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Dima BLCKCHND12:00:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
would make thigns worse unless we have a well thought out plan and incentives and platform to counter voter apathy
not really
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Stefan12:00:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
nothing changes, for the moment same whales decide
To be precise, anyone in that list with more thatn 5million voting power can instantly decide the fate of Rossul
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Alex M - clockwork12:01:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
not really
how do you come to that conclusion?
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R12:01:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If politicians could dismiss term limits over lack of voter participation then nothing would change.
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Dima BLCKCHND12:01:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
how do you come to that conclusion?
do you have reverse examles?
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Alex M - clockwork12:01:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
about apathy?
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Dima BLCKCHND12:02:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
about apathy?
about decay in dpos
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Alex M - clockwork12:02:20 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
it's simple
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Dima BLCKCHND12:02:34 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
it's simple
why eos implemented it?
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Alex M - clockwork12:02:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
vote decay with apathy means that delegated votes slowly disappear without being replenished
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Alex M - clockwork12:03:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
leaving the true whales with their own stake in charge
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Alex M - clockwork12:03:20 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
why eos implemented it?
are you suggesting EOS governance is better than ours?
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Alex M - clockwork12:03:44 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
imho it's a mess
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Dima BLCKCHND12:03:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
are you suggesting EOS governance is better than ours?
it's funny but on a scale nearly 1 year, yes is better
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Alex M - clockwork12:04:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
well...agree to disagree :)
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Dima BLCKCHND12:05:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
vote decay with apathy means that delegated votes slowly disappear without being replenished
stimul for proxy collect their votes again and agaun and again, like in real life
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Alex M - clockwork12:05:12 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
in any case....i back the concept of vote decay 100% and have repeatedly said so and promoted it....at teh same time I also recognise there are soem serious problems comign with it if we don't fix apathy
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Alex M - clockwork12:05:45 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
it will stimulate proxy to collect their votes again and again and again, like in real life
agreed....my point is that you're udnerestiamting teh current level of apathy
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Alex M - clockwork12:05:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
oen part is obviously up to teh proxies
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Alex M - clockwork12:06:04 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
to campaign and gatehr votes
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Dima BLCKCHND12:06:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
agreed....my point is that you're udnerestiamting teh current level of apathy
my point is that you overestimating it
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Alex M - clockwork12:06:29 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
but there is also a part that has to be addressed by teh platform as a whole
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Alex M - clockwork12:06:41 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
my point is that you overestimating it
~25% of stake in BTS is voting
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fav12:07:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if you proxy to someone in eos your vote won't decay. proxies just have to recast their votes
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Alex M - clockwork12:07:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
if you proxy to someone in eos your vote won't decay. proxies just have to recast their votes
well...thats not a problem we have on bitshares
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Alex M - clockwork12:07:44 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
it's proxy assignment decay that is the issue
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fav12:07:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and that's kinda useless anyways, since most proxies just do it via a smartcontract
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fav12:07:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
:D
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R12:08:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
it's proxy assignment decay that is the issue
I don't see an issue with proxies losing influence if they don't succeed in having users recast their proxy vote/choice.
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Alex M - clockwork12:09:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
I don't see an issue with proxies losing influence if they don't succeed in having users recast their proxy vote/choice.
me neither...if we had a largely active userbase
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Alex M - clockwork12:09:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
my problem is that we dont
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Alex M - clockwork12:09:34 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i didnt see any serious change of voting when the proxy weights changed abruptly a couple of months back
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R12:09:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Several large WP's lost their active status to be fair
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R12:10:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
UI, Rossul, HTD
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Dima BLCKCHND12:10:04 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
~25% of stake in BTS is voting
so proxy will have a lot of work to collect their votes and it will stimulate community to use their votes aka fight with apathy not like now when everything in place and voting apathy is a good reason to keep it this way
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Alex M - clockwork12:10:05 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
yes
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Alex M - clockwork12:10:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and NOONE CARED
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R12:10:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I did
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Alex M - clockwork12:10:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if it wasnt for some clever rearranging of votes by the existing few large proxies
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Alex M - clockwork12:10:30 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we'd still have 1 worker active
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Alex M - clockwork12:11:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
again....fighting apathy is not JUST the proxies job
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Alex M - clockwork12:11:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we have that problem collectively
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R12:11:45 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
with decay the cast votes against the refund workers would also go down, causing wp activation barrier to drop
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Alex M - clockwork12:11:45 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
are soem better than others ? yes
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Dima BLCKCHND12:13:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
we have that problem collectively
you know why? for example, nobody wants to decide something in a system where any decision can be made by 3 proxy
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Alex M - clockwork12:13:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
you know why? for example, nobody wants to decide something in a system where any decision can be made by 3 proxy
that's a self-fulfilling prophecy
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Dima BLCKCHND12:13:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
with decay the cast votes against the refund workers would also go down, causing wp activation barrier to drop
+
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Alex M - clockwork12:13:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if they did, then the 3 proxies would no longer have that power
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Dima BLCKCHND12:13:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
if they did, then the 3 proxies would no longer have that power
decay and we will see
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Alex M - clockwork12:13:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
with decay the cast votes against the refund workers would also go down, causing wp activation barrier to drop
nope
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R12:14:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
nope
why not?
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Alex M - clockwork12:14:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
refund is almost explicilty voted with own stake
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R12:14:33 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
refund is almost explicilty voted with own stake
and anti-dilution proxies
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Alex M - clockwork12:15:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
and anti-dilution proxies
anti-dilution was an old argument, dont think it still stands...and not really proxy, Baozi's votign weight is pretty much entirely hsi own stake
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Dima BLCKCHND12:16:25 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
anti-dilution was an old argument, dont think it still stands...and not really proxy, Baozi's votign weight is pretty much entirely hsi own stake
it his stake, we talking about actors with dead stakes
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Alex M - clockwork12:16:36 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and thats my point
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Alex M - clockwork12:16:39 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
remove those
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Alex M - clockwork12:16:47 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and control goes to baozi and bitcrab
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Alex M - clockwork12:16:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
congrats
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Alex M - clockwork12:16:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you went from 4-5 proxies deciding
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Alex M - clockwork12:16:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
to 2
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R12:16:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
So buy BTS to combat that?
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Dima BLCKCHND12:17:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
and control goes to baozi and bitcrab
buy bts
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fav12:17:19 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you can buy bts now as well
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Alex M - clockwork12:17:25 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
you can buy bts now as well
thank you
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fav12:17:25 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
doesn't seem like anyone cares enough
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Dima BLCKCHND12:17:45 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
you can buy bts now as well
dosen't solve vote decay question
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R12:18:15 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
doesn't solve vote decay question
It does reduce dependancy on proxies though, buying a stake in the platform.
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Alex M - clockwork12:18:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
no one is opposing vote decay
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Alex M - clockwork12:18:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
question is how to implement it and what to frame it with so that we don't end up worse
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Alex M - clockwork12:19:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
stefan is working on a clearer voting platform for workers
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Alex M - clockwork12:19:27 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i'm doing somethign similar for committee
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Alex M - clockwork12:19:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
so that it's easy for peopel to get involved
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:20:25 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
was mostly responding to xanoxt's comments above...sorry for the confusion
I was invited to discussion to look and present the facts, after Stefan asked for them.
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Dima BLCKCHND12:20:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cmmob
It does reduce dependancy on proxies though, buying a stake in the platform.
sure, but my point to have the voting support from the "dead stake" is the same as vote with dead electors
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:20:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
would make thigns worse unless we have a well thought out plan and incentives and platform to counter voter apathy
Thats one of the goals of the new ux, I think
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Alex M - clockwork12:20:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
I was invited to discussion to look and present the facts, after Stefan asked for them.
yeah...and i was simply poining out that xeroc votes for rossul with liek 140m out of his 146m stake
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Alex M - clockwork12:21:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
its not liek he is teh reason why it's inactive :)
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Alex M - clockwork12:22:02 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
Thats one of the goals of the new ux, I think
which is why my petty voting stake is voting for rossul :)
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Dima BLCKCHND12:22:21 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
yeah...and i was simply poining out that xeroc votes for rossul with liek 140m out of his 146m stake
it's alot of undercarpet moves) I will not talke about this till the end of the contract
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Slavi12:24:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Chinese stake will capture BitShares anyway. 😉
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Alex M - clockwork12:24:53 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
memset
Chinese stake will capture BitShares anyway. 😉
if we keep fighting amongst ourselves? sure
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R12:25:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
memset
Chinese stake will capture BitShares anyway. 😉
unless the state dissapears them & dumps their BTS on the open market?
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Dima BLCKCHND12:25:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I don't see the sides and I didn't think that we need to unite against
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Alex M - clockwork12:26:39 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
never said it's a bad thing
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Alex M - clockwork12:26:51 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if sufficiently decentralised
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Alex M - clockwork12:27:25 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i was only referring to current state of voting
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Dima BLCKCHND12:27:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
I don't see the sides and I didn't think that we need to unite against
but I saw a lot of other stuff that has no relation to the Chinese community, but still, raise some legit question among community
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Alex M - clockwork12:28:20 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
but I saw a lot of other stuff that has no relation to the Chinese community, but still, raise some legit question among community
without specifics though I can only consider statements like this fud
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Dima BLCKCHND12:28:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
but I saw a lot of other stuff that has no relation to the Chinese community, but still, raise some legit question among community
chines "straw men" is so 2014
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Dima BLCKCHND12:29:13 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
without specifics though I can only consider statements like this fud
I told, I'm collecting data, to do it right way
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Alex M - clockwork12:29:33 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
which is fine...
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Alex M - clockwork12:30:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
stating that you have found something without actually offering details is still FUD though
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Alex M - clockwork12:31:02 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
it's like me coming here
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Dima BLCKCHND12:31:34 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
it's like me coming here
I was here
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Dima BLCKCHND12:31:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
before bbf start
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Alex M - clockwork12:31:48 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i never finished teh sentence
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Alex M - clockwork12:32:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sayign XXX is a sxammer
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Alex M - clockwork12:32:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and when pressured furtehr sayign...oh , i'm still colllecting data
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Alex M - clockwork12:32:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if you put something out there...you should back it up
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Alex M - clockwork12:32:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
or wait till you can
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Dima BLCKCHND12:33:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
if you put something out there...you should back it up
What turns you on in my information gathering? when the collection of information became fud?
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Alex M - clockwork12:34:02 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
before bbf start
good for you...i dont see why that means anything
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Dima BLCKCHND12:34:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
good for you...i dont see why that means anything
may be because you are contrctoor as well?
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Alex M - clockwork12:35:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
maybe because you are a contractor as well?
no
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Alex M - clockwork12:35:11 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
thats irrelevant
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Dima BLCKCHND12:36:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
no
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-02-bitshares-ui
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Dima BLCKCHND12:36:05 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
really?
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Alex M - clockwork12:36:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
just pointing out that how long anyone's been around is no proof of malicious/non-malicious intent
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Alex M - clockwork12:36:31 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
no as in not because
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Alex M - clockwork12:36:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
youre just being an idiot on purpose now
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Alex M - clockwork12:36:40 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
im done here
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Alex M - clockwork12:36:41 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
fuck it
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Dima BLCKCHND12:36:54 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
no as in not because
but could I assume?
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Alex M - clockwork12:36:54 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
yes we are alll against you tryign to ruin bts
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Alex M - clockwork12:37:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
whatever
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Dima BLCKCHND12:37:15 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
yes we are alll against you tryign to ruin bts
nope, but I'm not a contractor, you are
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Alex M - clockwork12:37:34 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i do not appreciate any of your insinuations when i spend almost all my time to better this platform
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Dima BLCKCHND12:37:34 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
you are biased
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Dima BLCKCHND12:37:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
you are biased
proof me wrong
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Alex M - clockwork12:38:35 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
we are all contractors to the chain....the bbf is just a middleman
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Alex M - clockwork12:39:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
the voters decide if we get paid...not the bbf
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Alex M - clockwork12:39:31 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ive also had a succesful worker without the bbf as escrow
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Alex M - clockwork12:39:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and will do another one when beet is out of beta
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Alex M - clockwork12:39:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
as i'd rather not add the escrow cost
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Dima BLCKCHND12:40:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
the voters decide if we get paid...not the bbf
that's why I'm for vote decay
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Dima BLCKCHND12:40:58 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
that's voters decide
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Alex M - clockwork12:41:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
so am I
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Alex M - clockwork12:41:04 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
once again
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Alex M - clockwork12:41:27 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
part of that is up to the proxies
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Alex M - clockwork12:41:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
but another part is up to us collectively
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Alex M - clockwork12:41:45 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
to ensure fairness
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:41:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
we are all contractors to the chain....the bbf is just a middleman
Problem is, rossul also had a worker proposal without a middleman. :>
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Alex M - clockwork12:42:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
one without the other is disaster
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Alex M - clockwork12:42:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Xanoxt
Problem is, rossul also had a worker proposal without a middleman. :>
so?
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:42:30 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Understandably it failed.
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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:43:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
I do not suggest you to make the connection between the discussion above and this tidbit, but I do see one there.
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Alex M - clockwork12:44:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
it makes sense...and escrowed version from a trusted party is more likely to be voted than one without
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Alex M - clockwork12:44:52 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
begs the question of why the 75% of stake not currently voting was not convinced to vote for it
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Alex M - clockwork12:45:04 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if I'm the one overestimating apathy
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Alex M - clockwork12:45:36 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
anyway...i have to get back to work
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Dima BLCKCHND12:47:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
it makes sense...an escrowed version from a trusted party is more likely to be voted than one without
this leads us to "gatekeeper problems" covered by "apathy problems"
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Dima BLCKCHND12:47:13 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and gues what
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Dima BLCKCHND12:47:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
for some one is fine like it is
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Alex M - clockwork12:47:48 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
again...
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Alex M - clockwork12:47:54 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
if there is NO apathy problem
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Alex M - clockwork12:47:57 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
as you claim
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Stefan12:48:26 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
this leads us to "gatekeeper problems" covered by "apathy problems"
Have you investigated advertising BLCKCHND as escrow, and if not, why not?
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Dima BLCKCHND12:48:37 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
if there is NO apathy problem
I don't say so I said "my point is that you overestimating it"
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Alex M - clockwork12:48:41 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
it shouldnt be hard to convinve peopel to vot for some worker
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Dima BLCKCHND12:51:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Have you investigated advertising BLCKCHND (or any new entity you may create) as escrow, and if not, why not?
til vote decay is in place, Is not make any sense all gatekeepers already established and will strongly keep their ground with "apathy problems" as I see
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Stefan12:53:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
til vote decay is in place, Is not make any sense all gatekeepers already established and will strongly keep their ground with "apathy problems" as I see
Now you are just hiding behind that BSIP. Make it happen then please. Anyways, I can't see any of the established escrows hindering you in setting another one up.
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Dima BLCKCHND12:53:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
it shouldnt be hard to convince people to vote for some worker
I'm not a worker nor I have something from this worker, nor involved in this worker anyhow as a bridge that brought these teams to bitshares with only one point to have a better UI
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Alex M - clockwork12:54:17 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
didnt say you were involved
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Alex M - clockwork12:54:27 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
i was pointing out simply that apathy IS a thing
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Alex M - clockwork12:54:53 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and that vote decay without a serious look COLLECTIVELY on how to fix it will ONLY make things even more centeralized
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Alex M - clockwork12:55:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
and with that
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Alex M - clockwork12:55:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
im getting back to work
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Stefan12:56:49 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
im getting back to work
So you say 🤥🤣
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Dima BLCKCHND12:58:25 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Now you are just hiding behind that BSIP. Make it happen then please. Anyways, I can't see any of the established escrows hindering you in setting another one up.
I don't understand why you put some of your thoughts in my mouth, stop it, please
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Stefan13:04:23 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
I don't understand why you put some of your thoughts in my mouth, stop it, please
Easy for you to say when you are almost (not explicitly) trying to put the thought of "BBF is corrupt" in the communities minds
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Digital Lucife®13:05:58 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Is this seriously public conversation between veterans of the blockchain ? You dont know how escrow works ? You dont know you not get paid daily if you're not voted in ? You cant check balance before you hit invoice ? Im running 3 workers over past 7 months (currently 2 going on renewal), and with my own due dilligence on the budget that escrow holds, not a single payout was problem. I've started 2 workers on price around 0.08 USD = 1 BTS. All workers survived a) blackswan and never changed the currency b) ive added the diff for no-profit workers (e.g. infra) from my own pocket c) all workers were producing results EVEN WHEN NOT VOTED-IN
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Dima BLCKCHND13:06:02 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Easy for you to say when you are almost (not explicitly) trying to put the thought of "BBF is corrupt" in the communities minds
wow, now some contractor from bbf reading my mind, nice
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Crypto Kong13:06:41 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
With regards to expiring vote decay, i agree it needs to be handled carefully. In theory its a great idea where the power is spread equally by proxies but we dont want to be handing complete power over to a couple of whales making the situation worse.
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Digital Lucife®13:06:53 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Im sad to see entire conv above.
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Digital Lucife®13:07:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
BSIP = isnt core responsibility or devs. Latest one on MSSR and CNY was written by bitcrab and voted in.
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Stefan13:07:58 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
wow, now some contractor from bbf "reading my mind", nice keep it go Stefan
No, that was just me personally
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Dima BLCKCHND13:08:12 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
No, that was just me personally
in Russia, we have an expression "на воре шапка горит"
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Digital Lucife®13:08:41 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Im supportive on the decaying votes but to be done very carefully. It can enable few players to be those kings mention without even voting for them.
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R13:08:46 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
BSIP = isnt core responsibility or devs. Latest one on MSSR and CNY was written by bitcrab and voted in.
Bsip for asset property change, no. Innovative technology proposals perhaps.
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Digital Lucife®13:09:20 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Well i see repeated statements how ALL BSIPS are responsibility of core team. They aren't.
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Digital Lucife®13:11:56 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
And if we wanna talk real issues - we have numerous attacks and exploits on chain going on since November. If there wasn't that core team, BitShares would be mere history today. 6 hours fix and chain enabled - one in a kind team.
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Digital Lucife®13:12:38 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
If we wanna talk pricing, call a team of 5-10 CPP experienced programmers to see the quote to just smell BitShares :)
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Dima BLCKCHND13:12:39 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
Well i see repeated statements how ALL BSIPS are responsibility of core team. They aren't.
nobody talked about all bsips, the question was raised just about vote decay. especially we have a protocol upgrade soon
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Digital Lucife®13:13:14 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
nobody talked about all bsips, the question was raised just about vote decay. especially that we have a protocol upgrade soon
Ive been part of github discussion on it, along with others. Im supportive for that with mix of 2nd level proxy as well.
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Digital Lucife®13:13:34 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
someone pointed out as a bad idea due to manipulation, but i truly believe it would incentive people to become active more
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Digital Lucife®13:13:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
or they all lose power over time
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Dima BLCKCHND13:14:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
someone pointed out as a bad idea due to manipulation, but i truly believe it would incentive people to become active more
yes, this my point proxy will need to move their ass, yes
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Stefan13:14:07 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
RuDex is doing beautiful things to the UI, and I would very much like to see that in the reference UI as well. I hope the reason that RuDex is not upstreaming is not that you see the UI worker corrupt as well ...
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Marvis13:14:21 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
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Marvis13:14:30 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾 As the bitcoin rising let's make legitimate money here on the aerominer platform no risk of lost tested and trusted 💯💯💯💯💯💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 https://aerominer.uk/?ref=Marvis
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Marvis13:14:55 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
hello
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Dima BLCKCHND13:15:32 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
RuDex is doing beautiful things to the UI, and I would very much like to see that in the reference UI as well. I hope the reason that RuDex is not upstreaming is not that you see the UI worker corrupt as well ...
whom I'm accused in corruption? I guess it is your fantasy again
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Stefan13:16:01 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
Oh, we are getting to Hitler now? Nice
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Alex M - clockwork13:16:16 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
nobody talked about all bsips, the question was raised just about vote decay. especially that we have a protocol upgrade soon
next protocol upgade is feature frozen anyway
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Digital Lucife®13:16:30 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Oh, we are getting to Hitler now? Nice
Luckily you're German. Dutch would be dropping hair on it :)
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Dima BLCKCHND13:18:29 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
next protocol upgade is feature frozen anyway
what do you mean?
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Digital Lucife®13:18:43 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
next protocol upgade is feature frozen anyway
no new features can be added
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Hareem Haque13:19:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
Q. Is atomic swap being planned for BTS network?
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Digital Lucife®13:20:06 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
its locked for safe delivery of hard-fork, any change without proper testing on a testnet would be chaotic. Anyway, im happy to assist if you wanna write new BSIP on it and maybe include in next release.
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Digital Lucife®13:20:28 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
ahhhhh
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Digital Lucife®13:20:34 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
cant tag people dammnit
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Digital Lucife®13:21:03 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
gridcenter
Q. Is atomic swap being planned for BTS network?
yeah, there is worker discussion atm - cant paste a link
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Stefan13:21:18 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
in Russia, we have an expression "на воре шапка горит"
You have insinuated that whales decide, and community needs protection against them and their corruption, while also talking about about gatekeepers (which are the whales) and how BBF is also a gatekeeper. You are not saying it directly, no, but you certainly lay out all the dots to be connected.
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Digital Lucife®13:21:19 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
google Worker BitShares Atomic Swaps
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Hareem Haque13:21:22 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
yeah, there is worker discussion atm - cant paste a link
👍
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Hareem Haque13:21:42 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
google Worker BitShares Atomic Swaps
Will do
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Stefan13:21:44 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
gridcenter
Q. Is atomic swap being planned for BTS network?
Short answer: Yes, through HTLC with next protocol upgrade.
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Dima BLCKCHND13:21:46 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
murda_ra
no new features can be added
that what I thought, but was not sure, not surprised at all "long live the king"
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Digital Lucife®13:21:59 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
gridcenter
Will do
Sorry this one: JavaScript: Atomic Cross-Chain Swaps Framework
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Hareem Haque13:22:00 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
Short answer: Yes, through HTLC with next protocol upgrade.
When will this occur?
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Stefan13:22:08 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
gridcenter
When will this occur?
May iirc
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Permie13:22:15 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
favdesu
you need to select your poison very carefully
👍
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Alex M - clockwork13:25:10 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
blockchained
that what I thought, but was not sure, not surprised at all "long live the king"
what does that mean?
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Hareem Haque13:25:13 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
sschiessl
May iirc
👌🏽
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Digital Lucife®13:25:50 - 05 Mar 2019 [UTC]
clockworkgr
what does that mean?
Governance joke if im not mistaken 😂🤣😂😭
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