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litepresence20:17:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is enlightening how pervasive the concept is becoming... more than anything that is why I took the gig - keep one's enemy's closer; It would be impossible for me to walk into a box store ever again and not realize what was going on behind the curtain.

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nutela20:18:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

It is enlightening how pervasive the concept is becoming... more than anything that is why I took the gig - keep one's enemy's closer; It would be impossible for me to walk into a box store ever again and not realize what was going on behind the curtain.

That’s funny because I was wondering today how they turned the internet into a surveillance system so quickly...

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Thomas Freedman20:18:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

And if I point out that someone has figured it all out and all you have to do is learn how the law was setup, write letters to law enforcement nobody does it but keeps complaining because that’s easier than to actually think 😂

We're all on our own individual paths of discovering what this hologram we call "life" is all about. We all struggle, we're all indoctrinated into a belief system of one type or another, none of us can avoid that. All we can do is embrace learning and try to love more, fear less.

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nutela20:19:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But it was setup that way all along, with companies having to register their IP address, ISP registration.. etc. The gov had it

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nutela20:19:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You know this is better than being in a pub getting drunk

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litepresence20:19:46 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

on that level.. next month paypal will require taxpayer ID

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Thomas Freedman20:20:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

on that level.. next month paypal will require taxpayer ID

Not surprised.

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Thomas Freedman20:20:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Surprized it took them this long.

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nutela20:21:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The good news is their legal tender is a fraud and we can use any currency we want.

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Andy22:13:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

nowhere in all of crypto can you do that

Thats actually how i found dexbot, i had a bot that would lend on polneix and was looking to get returns, if something like this existed i would start bringing more fiat in

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Crypto Kong22:15:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yep exactly...

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Crypto Kong22:16:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

see, binance kinda fucked up by wasting time and resources on a shitty fake dex, what they should have done is solidified there position as the main cex by focussing on adding new features and improving their cex

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Crypto Kong22:17:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we need to learn from their mistake and add features for traders, we have a chance to jump way ahead of competition

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Crypto Kong22:17:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

by adding borrowing pools for shorting UIAs we would be in a VERY unique position

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Crypto Kong22:18:04 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and it would be one hell of a selling point

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Crypto Kong22:18:34 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

people would be screaming at the likes of cryptobridge and openledger to add assets so they can short them to death

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Crypto Kong22:19:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

market makers would be able to provide liquidity without gambling on the future prices of coins by staying neutral

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Crypto Kong22:20:16 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I honestly cant think of anything that would add more value to bitshares right now

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nutela22:20:31 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What is the settlement price for bitUSD? Looking at the market, seeing it rising again..

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Crypto Kong22:20:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

0.0512

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nutela22:21:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Now $0.049740

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Crypto Kong22:21:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or 511 something like that

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Jonathan Bahai23:24:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

by adding borrowing pools for shorting UIAs we would be in a VERY unique position

How would that work?

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Crypto Kong23:34:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

well... would need some input from the tech guys but people would lend their coins to the pool, if someone wanted to borrow it im guessing they would have to put up some kind of collateral (BTS ideally) and borrow the coins off the lender, there would also be interest involved so the lender earns interest and the borrower pays it

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Crypto Kong23:35:28 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

collateral would be needed to ensure borrowers dont just disapear with the coins

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Crypto Kong23:36:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I suppose the collateral is where it gets complicated on assets not traded or not liquid vs BTS, how do we decide the collateral is enough, need a price refference from somewhere, so perhaps price feeds would be needed

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Crypto Kong23:38:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it could potentially create a whole new lending market with people competing on interest rates

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Crypto Kong23:38:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and with that a whole range of new opportunites

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Crypto Kong23:40:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If someone was interested in helping me write a BSIP for this id love to try and get the ball rolling but on my own i wouldnt know where to start

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Crypto Kong23:41:48 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If BTS was the collateral required, it would also boost demand for BTS and put upward pressure on price

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Jonathan Bahai23:47:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sorry.. isnt this exactly what you can do with MPAs now?

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Jonathan Bahai23:48:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

http://docs.bitshares.org/bitshares/user/mpa.html

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Crypto Kong23:48:22 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you have to short MPAs in order to get them in to circulation

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Crypto Kong23:49:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that might not have been best response lol

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Jonathan Bahai23:49:37 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes you are right sorry.. your process is much more like how cex work

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Crypto Kong23:49:54 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so... we have loads of already functioning markets... we wouldnt want to start from scratch with new assets

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Crypto Kong23:50:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but your right it is similar to the mpas

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Crypto Kong23:50:48 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its just with MPA's the entire market has to be backed by BTS

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Crypto Kong23:51:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

for gateways/ exchanges thats just not realistic

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Crypto Kong23:51:34 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

also the threat of global settlement risk is there with mpas

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Crypto Kong23:52:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

interesting that you bring up the similarity actually, im now wondering if this could be less of a job than i thought?

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Jonathan Bahai23:53:08 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

also the threat of global settlement risk is there with mpas

Tell me about it.. bitten too many times

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Crypto Kong23:53:35 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah i dont think theres many in these rooms that havent unfortunatly

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Crypto Kong23:55:31 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

you have to short MPAs in order to get them in to circulation

this is the unfortunate down side to MPA's why create an asset that you have to short into existance? If you think it has value, why sell it (and for no benefit to yourself)

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Jonathan Bahai23:56:15 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

interesting that you bring up the similarity actually, im now wondering if this could be less of a job than i thought?

I believe the focus now is to take advantage of ibc/sidechain/htlc for bringing other crypto into bitshares

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Crypto Kong23:56:44 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah im quite excited to see where that will lead

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Crypto Kong23:57:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

could that potentially open the door to some kind of trustless peer to peer lending? another potential off shoot of the lending pool idea?

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Jonathan Bahai23:59:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

could that potentially open the door to some kind of trustless peer to peer lending? another potential off shoot of the lending pool idea?

I dont see why htlc cant do that if applied.

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Crypto Kong00:00:58 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

any idea when that htlc might be implemented? last i heard it had been succesfully tested on testnet but that was a while ago

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Jonathan Bahai00:02:37 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

any idea when that htlc might be implemented? last i heard it had been succesfully tested on testnet but that was a while ago

I am not sure.. I got the impression it would be included in the next major release.. we only have one every 6 months

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Crypto Kong00:03:11 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oh ok cool, can you guess what my next question is lol

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Crypto Kong00:07:36 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

whens next protocoal upgrade? 🤪

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funkit00:16:39 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think it's scheduled for April. Fox might change that, but so far it's going well as far as I know.

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Crypto Kong00:19:18 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I think it's scheduled for April. Fox might change that, but so far it's going well as far as I know.

cool good to know!

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George (Bitspark)01:36:14 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

also the threat of global settlement risk is there with mpas

Don’t see how this is a bitshares issue. Anyone can make a smartcoin that uses either A) non BTS as collateral. B ) different parameters than community coins

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George (Bitspark)01:37:27 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also for millionth time in discussion about HTLC it’s not trustless cross chain. You need a gateway to store your UIA it’s just the deposit process of issuing you a bitshares UIA in exchange for eg real btc is automated

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NatoshiSakamoto01:39:09 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is LTN the future?

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NatoshiSakamoto01:40:09 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

?

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NatoshiSakamoto01:40:29 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why am I muted?

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Digital Lucife®01:50:12 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dmantis

as far they use fast chains

And off-chain transactions as a "DEX". I consider Binance ridiculous

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George (Bitspark)01:55:04 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In other news BitUSD is $0.001 away from going back to 1:1

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R01:55:19 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

In other news BitUSD is $0.001 away from going back to 1:1

Awesome!

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Catilina Homatawa02:32:39 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So how can bitUSD be stabilized?

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funkit03:03:39 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When the feed price is lower than the global settlement. And we are at parity now. I expect it to go live shortly unless the market tanks again.

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George (Bitspark)03:08:00 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bitUSD now worth 1 USD again :D 1.006241 to be exact

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Eric03:11:54 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Has anyone told you guys how awesome you all are LOL.... Is Bitshares governance unique, in regards to no central figure and hierarchy?

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Eric03:12:30 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Does anyone know of another project that is any bit similar?

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Kristin Low04:09:56 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

PalmPay_Toronto

Has anyone told you guys how awesome you all are LOL.... Is Bitshares governance unique, in regards to no central figure and hierarchy?

Certainly in the frequency with which llama's are deployed within the governance process itself.

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funkit04:51:13 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

One big bet on the debt now. Pleeeeeesee... I guess not when everyone had margin calls 💥😆🥊

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Zapata06:53:34 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

françaises

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Javez Bitcoin07:08:51 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello

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Stefan08:02:41 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

One big bet on the debt now. Pleeeeeesee... I guess not when everyone had margin calls 💥😆🥊

My bet is on baozi. My guess is latest for 1.30:1 peg, if BTS increases to rise

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Stefan08:03:16 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyone do the math, does he have enough BTS for insta revive at that price? 😄

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cryptoMarathon08:12:28 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

cool. any weblink for available for this ?

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Fabian Schuh08:12:58 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitassets.bitshares.eu/#/USD

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Alex M - clockwork08:18:04 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Anyone do the math, does he have enough BTS for insta revive at that price? 😄

shoulddo..evennow, only needs about 75m BTS

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Alex M - clockwork08:18:13 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

baozi has way more

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nutela09:09:33 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

If someone was interested in helping me write a BSIP for this id love to try and get the ball rolling but on my own i wouldnt know where to start

Sounds good!

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nutela09:11:29 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kristin_Low

That’s not a lama, that’s @favdesu 😂

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はるか09:16:36 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

seems collateral bidding is quite expensive now...

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George (Bitspark)09:18:04 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so right now if sum of bids > outstanding debt and is > 1.75 MCR then asset is revived?

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George (Bitspark)09:18:15 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

whats the incentive to bid in that case?

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George (Bitspark)09:18:59 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hoping someone comes in at a high MCR, like 4x and you come in at <1.75 and yet are still included in sum total amount?

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Alex M - clockwork09:34:53 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

whats the incentive to bid in that case?

Leveraging a higher position

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George (Bitspark)09:43:53 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Leveraging a higher position

so bidding a lower MCR hoping for others to come infront of you at a higher MCR and refloat?

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Alex M - clockwork09:44:57 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mcr always will be 1.75...difference is what price revival will occur at

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Alex M - clockwork09:45:02 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Assume no bids

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Alex M - clockwork09:45:27 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And bts is at a price where existing collateral is 1.74999999 the debt

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Alex M - clockwork09:45:43 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You could bid a single BTS for the whole debt

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Alex M - clockwork09:45:59 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And end up with that position

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Alex M - clockwork09:46:26 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Obvs whales won't let that happen

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Alex M - clockwork09:46:48 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But a cleverly placed bid could get you a nicely leveraged psoition

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George (Bitspark)09:47:44 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

But a cleverly placed bid could get you a nicely leveraged psoition

but youll be the lowest colalteralised position and first to get margin called?

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Alex M - clockwork09:48:11 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes

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George (Bitspark)09:48:18 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or instantly on revival youll be called

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George (Bitspark)09:48:22 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

because youll be <1.75

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Alex M - clockwork09:48:24 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But the idea is that it'll go higher

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George (Bitspark)09:48:27 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so whats the point of that^

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Alex M - clockwork09:48:50 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At revival you will be 1.75

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Alex M - clockwork09:49:09 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Whether you get called is dependant on what it's does after that point in time

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Alex M - clockwork09:49:19 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Go below or higher

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George (Bitspark)09:49:27 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

At revival you will be 1.75

if i bid 1 bts for 1000 debt, im not at 1.75

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Alex M - clockwork09:49:35 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not now

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Alex M - clockwork09:49:49 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Revival won't occur until you are

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Alex M - clockwork09:49:57 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You don't bid an mcr

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Alex M - clockwork09:50:04 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You bid collateral for debt

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George (Bitspark)09:50:22 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

You don't bid an mcr

yeh but bids are organised according to MCR to calc revival

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Alex M - clockwork09:50:28 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mcr varies as revival price varies

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Alex M - clockwork09:50:30 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes

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Alex M - clockwork09:50:37 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So lowest has to be 1.75

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Alex M - clockwork09:50:48 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At revival

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George (Bitspark)09:50:48 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so why bid less than 1.75

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Alex M - clockwork09:51:10 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Again

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Alex M - clockwork09:51:17 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You don't bid 1.75

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Alex M - clockwork09:51:46 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You bid an amount that hopefully will send bitusd over 1.75 for the whole debt while still including you

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Alex M - clockwork09:51:56 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

See the example above

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Alex M - clockwork09:52:08 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

1 bts for 6m bitusd

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Alex M - clockwork09:52:35 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Assuming NO other bids, that will get you a 110m bts/6m usd position

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Alex M - clockwork09:52:47 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When it's is high enough

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Alex M - clockwork09:53:16 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If there are more bids, it depends on how they all stack up

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George (Bitspark)09:54:13 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

You bid an amount that hopefully will send bitusd over 1.75 for the whole debt while still including you

hmm right so im hoping someone else comes in to cover the rest at a higher MCR than 1.75 so my bid at <1.75 is covered when it refloats. However I still get called first in that case

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Alex M - clockwork09:59:40 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes

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Alex M - clockwork10:00:16 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So obvs hoping bts still goes up

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Alex M - clockwork10:00:25 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Even if you get called a little

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Alex M - clockwork10:00:39 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Losing a few thousand bts from your collateral

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Alex M - clockwork10:00:59 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When you only "paid" a few hundred for the position, is a win

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George (Bitspark)10:02:14 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ah i think that helps, thanks

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Alex M - clockwork10:04:11 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

hmm right so im hoping someone else comes in to cover the rest at a higher MCR than 1.75 so my bid a price at <1.75 is covered when it refloats. However I still get called first in that case

Technically you'd hope none else bids so you get the entire position to yourself

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Alex M - clockwork10:05:00 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Won't happen so you hope "higher" bids don't cover the whole debt, leaving some for you

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Alex M - clockwork10:09:18 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

e.g.

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Alex M - clockwork10:09:40 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

current revival price is 0.0893 bitUSD/BTS

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Alex M - clockwork10:09:58 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if bids stay ast hey are now

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Alex M - clockwork10:10:19 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

duck-fund (very low on the list yet still included)

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Alex M - clockwork10:10:55 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

will obtain a 33.6m BTS / 3m USD position

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Alex M - clockwork10:11:10 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

while bidding/paying "only" 100k BTS

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Alex M - clockwork10:11:37 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

once bts hits 0.0893

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George (Bitspark)10:13:31 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

will obtain a 33.6m BTS / 3m USD position

i thought they obtain the 3m usd with 100k BTS and thus are massively below MCR

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Alex M - clockwork10:13:42 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no

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George (Bitspark)10:13:43 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but they get the BTS position also from the fund pool?

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Alex M - clockwork10:13:47 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

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Alex M - clockwork10:14:00 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they pay 100k for their share of the pool collateral

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Alex M - clockwork10:14:14 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clever eh?

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Alex M - clockwork10:14:15 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

:D

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George (Bitspark)10:14:16 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ah

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Alex M - clockwork10:15:10 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

what will likely happen as @sscheissl said is that a large whale will probably bid on the whole debt once we hit 6.5-7 cents for a 30% profit leaving nothing for everyone else

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Fabian Schuh10:15:30 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

took us a while to come up with that .. collateral bidding (and in fact a way to recover bitassets after a black swan after all) was introduced with BSIP18

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Alex M - clockwork10:15:50 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still...can only hope

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Alex M - clockwork10:16:03 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

maybe there is a sudden move leaving no time for them to get a bid in

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nutela10:19:58 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

maybe there is a sudden move leaving no time for them to get a bid in

A sudden move eh? 🌬

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funkit10:21:05 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

More shorters needed in the euro. Huge rebate to feed and less risk than bidding on usd.

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George (Bitspark)10:21:29 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

what will likely happen as @sscheissl said is that a large whale will probably bid on the whole debt once we hit 6.5-7 cents for a 30% profit leaving nothing for everyone else

but if they bid the whole settlement fund pool amount @ 7 cents, when it revives, theyre the only order thats bid, so how can they get a 1.75 MCR when they are the entire pool?

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Alex M - clockwork10:22:21 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

but if they bid the whole settlement fund pool amount @ 7 cents, when it revives, theyre the only order thats bid, so how can they get a 1.75 MCR when they are the entire pool?

by bidding the remaining amount

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Alex M - clockwork10:22:25 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

like 40m BTS

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Alex M - clockwork10:22:34 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

for 5.6m USD

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Alex M - clockwork10:22:47 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

+ the 110m BTS already in the settlement pool

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Alex M - clockwork10:23:12 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or whatever the numbers are

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nutela10:23:29 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So my 7 BTS no good? 😢

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George (Bitspark)10:23:47 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

right so they just bid more to make sure total MCR is higher ok

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Alex M - clockwork10:23:57 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

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Alex M - clockwork10:24:18 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

at 0.07 , the 5.6m USD current debt is 80m BTS

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Alex M - clockwork10:24:25 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

1.75x that is 140M BTS

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Alex M - clockwork10:24:32 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

there's 109m BTS in the pool

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Alex M - clockwork10:24:39 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so 31m BID for the whole debt

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Alex M - clockwork10:24:47 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

would get you the entire position at 7 cents

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nutela10:25:09 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How come the pool has no owner?

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George (Bitspark)10:25:30 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

would get you the entire position at 7 cents

right got it, nice

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Alex M - clockwork10:25:33 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the chain owns it

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Alex M - clockwork10:25:48 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

79m BTS bid would get you the entire position right now

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nutela10:27:17 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So the one who topples the ratio takes all? And the rest nothing? Is that how the bidding is setup?

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Alex M - clockwork10:27:37 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

up to the amount of debt he has bid on

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nutela10:28:36 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But the bids are not cumulative, there’s only one winner? So if the market grows, the first one to invest heavily wins that position..

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nutela10:28:55 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The last drop in the bucket so to speak?

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George (Bitspark)10:30:03 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

would get you the entire position at 7 cents

so for 31m bid, you get 109m BTS, 300% return?

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M10:30:31 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can someone clarify...how do you 'bid' for the debt in bitUSD?

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Alex M - clockwork10:30:33 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You get a debt position of 140m bts/5.6m usd

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Alex M - clockwork10:30:43 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No liquid bts

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Alex M - clockwork10:31:07 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But obviously that's a hell of a long position if you expect bts to go higher

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George (Bitspark)10:31:21 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👍👍

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nutela10:31:53 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I see 👌

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Alex M - clockwork10:32:09 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

3 cents higher would allow you to take out shitloads more bts while staying over 1.75

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nutela10:32:18 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Will there be a test tomorrow? To make sure we got it right Alex? 😂

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nutela10:33:47 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

All these examples here, are they written down somewhere? On a blog? Would be nice to have in a “A trading with BitShares” book

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nutela10:34:46 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I can see books are in Github, so we might as well gather our notes…

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nutela10:35:22 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mastering BitShares?

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George (Bitspark)10:36:00 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

No liquid bts

but you could force settle 31m and get your princple back if there was 31m of buy side liqudiity?

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George (Bitspark)10:37:22 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it takes 24hours for force settle, but if i settled the 31m, and there isnt enough buy side, and price is stable, i wont get the 31m in 24hours because MSSR hasnt caused my sells to get hit by the bids

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Fabian Schuh10:39:42 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

but you could force settle 31m and get your princple back if there was 31m of buy side liqudiity?

you dobt have the long side of the trade ..

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Fabian Schuh10:39:53 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you get the collateral locked up and tge debt .. not the bitusd

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Fabian Schuh10:40:00 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so you cant settle anything

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funkit10:40:23 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It will take a few days to buy back

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Digital Lucife®10:40:39 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

unless you have enough bitUSD to pay the debt back and buy back double amount of BTS (1.75x)

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Digital Lucife®10:41:33 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

whoever buy debt back and pulls off that trick, with raise to 10c of a BTS its x3 - x4 profits

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George (Bitspark)10:43:11 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

you get the collateral locked up and tge debt .. not the bitusd

ah yeh, so only way get my principle back is if bts rises, my collateral ratio rises and i can then reduce my MCR for the debt?

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Digital Lucife®10:43:46 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

ah yeh, so only way get my principle back is if bts rises, my collateral ratio rises and i can then reduce my MCR for the debt, getting the BTS that was locked up?

also, yeah

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Digital Lucife®10:43:50 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but it would be serious gamble

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Digital Lucife®10:44:11 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

gamble in a sense in price goes down, that account would be reason of new blackswan...

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George (Bitspark)10:44:21 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

but it would be serious gamble

only one gamble at that point, "is the price of BTS going to go up?" :D

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Digital Lucife®10:44:42 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well i can hold fingers for luck :D

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Digital Lucife®10:49:00 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if we had USD deposits, now some companies would be rushing into the BitShares :)

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R10:50:34 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

if we had USD deposits, now some companies would be rushing into the BitShares :)

There's some fiat on ramps

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Digital Lucife®10:51:03 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah, but nobody will place 1.5-2M USD over those ramps or they are capable of handling such payments atm.

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R10:51:58 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

yeah, but nobody will place 1.5-2M USD over those ramps or they are capable of handling such payments atm.

Tether pairs maybe on cex, or fiat to btc to bts

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Digital Lucife®10:52:00 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if they are, they should be looking for investor then and split the profit 50/50

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nutela10:52:12 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And what about OTC?

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Digital Lucife®10:52:17 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Tether pairs maybe on cex, or fiat to btc to bts

Yeah, that ok :) I was thinking straight to DEX :D

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Digital Lucife®10:52:30 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sorry for missunderstanding :)

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Digital Lucife®10:52:41 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Binance btw now has Credit Card deposits.

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Fabian Schuh11:04:32 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

ah yeh, so only way get my principle back is if bts rises, my collateral ratio rises and i can then reduce my MCR for the debt, getting the BTS that was locked up?

yes .. only superbulls should bid

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Shairah11:12:04 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey guys is this a legit bull now. I was wondering if I should sell and rebuy

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Shairah11:13:16 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bts i mean

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Shairah11:13:26 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Im a beginner

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fav11:13:56 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wrong channel for price talk

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Shairah11:15:07 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok sorry nevermind

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Crypto Kong11:24:24 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If bitUSD has parity now and we are expecting whales ro jump in at 7 cents... wont absolutly shit loads of bitusd get settled?

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Crypto Kong11:25:16 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or do we think purchasing of bitusd in order to settle it will hold it back in that market?

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Crypto Kong11:27:33 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

depending on how much bitusd is actually circulating and hits the market... the higher we go in price the quicker that debt position is gonna shrink

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Crypto Kong11:29:47 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Last few days been getting orders filled at 0.0514

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Crypto Kong11:30:43 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Previously ive been getting them filled at 0.0512 and waiting for dips to rebuy cheaper... im not gonna bother now im just gonna keep settling for profit at these prices

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Crypto Kong11:32:08 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(Sorry for price talk but its kinda revival talk)

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funkit11:37:18 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Don't be sorry, just hand Fav the Sunday morning G/T. Or a Bloody Mary to deal with hangovers 💥😊

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Crypto Kong11:37:38 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Lol

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fav11:38:26 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Don't be sorry, just hand Fav the Sunday morning G/T. Or a Bloody Mary to deal with hangovers 💥😊

Fuck you, stop stalking me :'(

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Yusufzai11:47:04 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Whoa

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murda_ra

Indeed, thanks to Consensus even with all the drama going and community/devs/structure as it is -we are far more successful with less investment on the long-term run

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Walter13:04:03 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yo!

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Hola amigo

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George (Bitspark)15:48:01 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

aaaaaand there goes the peg. Lol

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Crypto Kong16:46:51 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/CryptoKong123/status/1099711849514262528

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Crypto Kong16:46:51 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

can we get some likes/ retweets on this, youtube account with 100k subscribers looking for a project to review

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Crypto Kong16:49:42 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/CryptoKong123/status/1099712926506725377

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vvk19:13:01 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Beware there is OMO poll active, "Poll - Do Not Restart Open Market Operation"

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Stefan19:27:40 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

aaaaaand there goes the peg. Lol

What happened?

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funkit19:30:41 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bitcoin dived like 300 dollars.

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Mark20:08:43 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Do you know any site that is able to send alert when a transation is being done on a bts address? It might be mail. or on site after registration.

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funkit21:44:03 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There was a telegram bot that had the functionality. Cant remember the name though.

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Crypto Kong21:47:29 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello all, We have create 2 test tokens for testing dexbot strategies on mainnet. If anyone wants any PM me your bitshares wallet, you dont have to necessairily test dexbot, you can use them just to mess around and cause market movements. The tokens have no value and if they are not being used i may pull them back if we run short.

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NatoshiSakamoto22:06:54 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Bitcoin dived like 300 dollars.

I hadn't anticipated an underwater attack vector when originally designing Bitcoin 🤷‍♂.

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cryptoMarathon23:38:04 - 24 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok

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Jonathan Bahai00:17:27 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NatoshiSakamotoo

I hadn't anticipated an underwater attack vector when originally designing Bitcoin 🤷‍♂.

New feature on segwit.. maybe you are still following the 'real' bitcoin? Care to tell us which one? :)

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Digital Lucife®02:36:34 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mark

Do you know any site that is able to send alert when a transation is being done on a bts address? It might be mail. or on site after registration.

There is in development -BitShares notification tool for emails

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dForce05:07:58 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How do we get our token listed on Bitshares?

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Stefan06:04:15 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dForce

How do we get our token listed on Bitshares?

Contact one of the gateways

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Kapil08:17:31 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is there any way to reset user password?

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Kapil08:17:58 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have setup testnet on local and wanted to reset my user password

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Kapil08:19:49 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I know UI shows a warning at the time of registration

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Stefan10:02:04 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kapilpatel21

Is there any way to reset user password?

No recovery/password reset is possible in the default UI

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Kapil10:07:48 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How can I get that UI?

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Kapil10:08:11 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Means there is an option available on blockchain right?

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Alex M - clockwork10:08:17 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kapilpatel21

Means there is an option available on blockchain right?

no

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Alex M - clockwork10:08:21 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

3rd party integrations

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Kapil10:08:50 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

3rd party means like faucet?

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Alex M - clockwork10:09:54 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nah i mean some UIs have used 3rd party integrations to securely store keys so the user can recover them...has to be done on accoutn creation though...

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Alex M - clockwork10:10:05 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

otherwise accoutn is as good as gone

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Kapil10:31:39 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

nah i mean some UIs have used 3rd party integrations to securely store keys so the user can recover them...has to be done on accoutn creation though...

It means manual?

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Kapil10:32:01 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sorry but unable to get exactly what you are saying

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funkit10:34:20 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is possible to reset/change password when in cloud mode. The keys are derived from the password, so they just change based on it. Do so at own risk though.

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Alex M - clockwork10:35:04 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

do you have teh password and want to chaneg it?

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Alex M - clockwork10:35:13 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or did you lose it and want to reset it?

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Alex M - clockwork11:54:41 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hmm

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Alex M - clockwork11:54:45 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

another proposal victim

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Alex M - clockwork11:54:50 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

50k BTS gone

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Crypto Kong11:59:47 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wow

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Crypto Kong11:59:59 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I cant believe they fall for it

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Crypto Kong12:00:21 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Shows how profitable it is

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Digital Lucife®12:00:35 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Shows how profitable it is

easy/scamy way ?

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Digital Lucife®12:00:40 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

since dawn of men

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Crypto Kong12:00:44 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yep

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Digital Lucife®12:01:11 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Curiosity killed the cat...Though cat had 9 lives :)

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R12:01:28 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Could maybe increase fees for account ownership permission change? At least get some fees out of them for failed attempts

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nutela12:01:47 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Shows how profitable it is

Well if you have so much money and you don't know what you are doing you sort of deserve it I guess 😂

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Digital Lucife®12:01:53 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why the fuck you have to click on whatever popped up: a) Before you read what is asking b) before you understanding what you are reading c) if you know that you have some business going over your account

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nutela12:02:06 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Could maybe increase fees for account ownership permission change? At least get some fees out of them for failed attempts

Good idea.

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Digital Lucife®12:02:24 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Well if you have so much money and you don't know what you are doing you sort of deserve it I guess 😂

+++

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Digital Lucife®12:03:26 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Could maybe increase fees for account ownership permission change? At least get some fees out of them for failed attempts

Very good idea. And not just slightly, but really increase the fees for it. After all new modern key to a one-touch-lock door cost cash :) New passcode for vaults... fortunes :) Its very reasonable idea

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fav12:03:58 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

Why the fuck you have to click on whatever popped up: a) Before you read what is asking b) before you understanding what you are reading c) if you know that you have some business going over your account

D) Do it on purpose to damage the public image

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Digital Lucife®12:04:09 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

D) Do it on purpose to damage the public image

also bad actors - yes...

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Crypto Kong12:08:17 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.thedailychain.com/blog/cryptobridge-kyc-news-aml-exchange-exclusive-interview/

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Crypto Kong12:08:32 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nice bitshares mention

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nutela12:17:46 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm reading BSIP18 on my phone and luckily it doesn't render a wide frame as on my laptop webbrowser. But I do have to inverse graphics, and there's no reader on GitHub which reformats the webpage. GitHub also doesn't have a night mode. What are you guys using to remedy this?

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R12:27:40 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I'm reading BSIP18 on my phone and luckily it doesn't render a wide frame as on my laptop webbrowser. But I do have to inverse graphics, and there's no reader on GitHub which reformats the webpage. GitHub also doesn't have a night mode. What are you guys using to remedy this?

On mobile I use the kiwi browser to force night mode everywhere

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nutela12:29:00 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

On mobile I use the kiwi browser to force night mode everywhere

On Android not on iOS.

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nutela12:29:27 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

OMG watching Keiser Report... Max gets crazy on JPMcoin

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R12:29:30 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

On Android not on iOS.

Yeah, same.

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nutela12:29:45 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Yeah, same.

I'll look more then!

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nutela12:34:14 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nope not iOS but the invert works well. Could also try Outline.com

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Zeto13:12:25 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is it just me, or that proposal feature is a bit of a scamification?

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Zeto13:15:20 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not a friendly feature in general. Just remove it or something.

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fav13:44:13 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's a security feature, use it as such

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funkit14:12:52 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Zeto

Not a friendly feature in general. Just remove it or something.

The network would grind to a halt without.

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Wehrrr15:20:03 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also a lot of people are getting scammed via the same for the active and memo key

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Wehrrr15:20:21 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Somehow that is how the accounts were created back in the old days

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Wehrrr15:20:54 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and when site wants your 'memo' they can really get an active key from you too and you wouldn't even know how they do oy

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Dariia15:47:20 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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R15:47:59 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

1 year later...

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Andy15:53:07 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i got a kyc signup from crybtobridge somehow stating they can also freeze assets, i thought with bitshares we had control of our accounts and assets?

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inoue16:17:03 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Werhhh

Also a lot of people are getting scammed as they have the same private key for the active and memo permissions

What do you mean? Do they provide memo private key to someone?

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Wehrrr16:19:03 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

euoni

What do you mean? Do they provide memo private key to someone?

Yeah some sites want that for airdrops or as an authentication

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inoue16:26:56 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

i got a kyc signup from crybtobridge somehow stating they can also freeze assets, i thought with bitshares we had control of our accounts and assets?

Your access to the CB gateway (deposits/withdrawals) is restricted after the 2 weeks of grace period ends if you are US citizen and don't want to complete KYC. But you can still perform any operations (without gateway) for your account funds via any BitShares client. CB can't restrict it of course.

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inoue16:29:08 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Werhhh

Yeah some sites want that for airdrops or as an authentication

What a scam. It is enough to use "Sign Message" function on the bitshares wallet for that purpose.

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funkit16:58:03 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

i got a kyc signup from crybtobridge somehow stating they can also freeze assets, i thought with bitshares we had control of our accounts and assets?

If it's a concern, ditch CB and go all-in in core assets. In order to do so, you will have to log on with a different front-end, like wallet.bitshares.org No need to change account. They work all over the place.

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Andy17:02:41 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

If it's a concern, ditch CB and go all-in in core assets. In order to do so, you will have to log on with a different front-end, like wallet.bitshares.org No need to change account. They work all over the place.

if i use bitshares client i can still trade in their markets or no? im in the US a lot, should i just get a EU vpn, or again with bitshares client i can still access their markets or is there a risk?

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funkit17:06:20 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes, you can. With a little tweak of the market section, you can add bridge.btc as market. They will still have the ability to freeze their owned assets, but you will have the benefit of exploring the entire network. Which has been omitted from the CB front-end.

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fav18:19:20 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

if i use bitshares client i can still trade in their markets or no? im in the US a lot, should i just get a EU vpn, or again with bitshares client i can still access their markets or is there a risk?

Use a VPN

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Shi_orii19:50:22 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi

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funkit20:38:06 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'll bet 1000 LITT we hit 2000 sats before end of march.

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Crypto Kong20:38:41 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I'll bet 1000 LITT we hit 2000 sats before end of march.

Ive just raised the upper limit of my short term dexbot worker to exactly that point

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funkit20:39:19 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I take it you won't bet then

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Crypto Kong20:39:37 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lol no i think its fairly likely

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Crypto Kong20:40:10 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

to be honest i wouldnt be surpised if we broke out with a large candle any day now

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Crypto Kong20:40:25 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

3 months in a 20% range

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Crypto Kong20:40:39 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

now right on the limit of the range on verge of breakout

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funkit20:41:21 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think it looks fantastic. Even with yesterday's cold shower, it seems to dry up fast

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Stefan20:41:26 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We have a channel for price talk

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Crypto Kong20:41:43 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

spoiled sport

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Crypto Kong20:41:44 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lol

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Stefan20:41:52 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Create a prediction market asset for it, then you can talk about it 😁

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funkit20:42:07 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think there is one

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Crypto Kong20:42:25 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lets just pretend there is lol

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funkit20:52:03 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

OK, Stefan. I'll go bug hunting to keep you busy till the next decennium. Shouldn't be too hard... 😆🥊🍷👽

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John20:54:49 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyone have issues importing their keys into the cli? It keeps claiming that my account name doesn't exist. 10 assert_exception: Assert Exception rec && rec->name == account_name_or_id: {} th_a wallet.cpp:597 get_account

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John20:56:06 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Using this client / witness node: https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/releases/download/2.0.190219/BitShares-Core-2.0.190219-Linux-cli-tools.tar.gz

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Stefan20:59:44 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

OK, Stefan. I'll go bug hunting to keep you busy till the next decennium. Shouldn't be too hard... 😆🥊🍷👽

Yes please staging.bitshares.org is waiting for you.

PB

Pete Bull21:06:09 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

OMG watching Keiser Report... Max gets crazy on JPMcoin

What is he saying

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Ammar Yousef21:06:27 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Beauty is in simplicity

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George21:14:13 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bitshares is good coin in bear market soon recovery 😘

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Thomas Freedman22:39:53 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Use a VPN

Has anyone noticed an increase in companies / sites that work poorly or not alll with a VPN? Try to create a boarding pass with Unitied airlines just hangs. Amazon is ultra slow with a VPN, when ping times are fine and other sites respond normally. Even if you use port SS 433. Not sure how they detect the VPN but sure is mysterious why only certain sites hang, and they're usually the big boys. Gmail is a real PITA with VPN.

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kenCode23:04:26 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Has anyone noticed an increase in companies / sites that work poorly or not alll with a VPN? Try to create a boarding pass with Unitied airlines just hangs. Amazon is ultra slow with a VPN, when ping times are fine and other sites respond normally. Even if you use port SS 433. Not sure how they detect the VPN but sure is mysterious why only certain sites hang, and they're usually the big boys. Gmail is a real PITA with VPN.

maybe your vpn node throttles them since they get used so much, leaving no bandwidth for the casual surfers. try a different node?

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kenCode23:04:43 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nordvpn let's me "hop" to different country nodes for instance

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Singh Jo23:22:01 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

maybe your vpn node throttles them since they get used so much, leaving no bandwidth for the casual surfers. try a different node?

Is it free

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litepresence23:34:25 - 25 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Has anyone noticed an increase in companies / sites that work poorly or not alll with a VPN? Try to create a boarding pass with Unitied airlines just hangs. Amazon is ultra slow with a VPN, when ping times are fine and other sites respond normally. Even if you use port SS 433. Not sure how they detect the VPN but sure is mysterious why only certain sites hang, and they're usually the big boys. Gmail is a real PITA with VPN.

yes yes and yes; and then there is the flip side... some sites will not work unless vpn

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litepresence00:37:51 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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litepresence00:38:07 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@funkit

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litepresence00:38:33 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit Greater Grace is scammer, BAN

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Jonathan Bahai00:43:06 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

nordvpn let's me "hop" to different country nodes for instance

Nordvpn.. it's good.

JD

Jazzmin Dion01:20:23 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NatoshiSakamotoo

I hadn't anticipated an underwater attack vector when originally designing Bitcoin 🤷‍♂.

Where did this one pop out from? 🤔

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Mitch01:22:56 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/satisfaction

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kenCode01:37:45 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

funkit Greater Grace is scammer, BAN

not sure if this has been suggested yet, but the "propose transaction" scammer is really getting annoying, filling up my transaction screen/history plugin etc. can't i just set my account to auto-deny all proposed transactions unless i whitelist them?

JG

Jork Gonzalez03:43:20 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

buenas noches

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Stefan05:30:20 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

PeteBull001

What is he saying

Link?

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vvk07:13:53 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm periodically hearing requests of BTS borrowing. Say, you can take bitCNY as a collateral and borrow BTS to open a short position.

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Crypto Kong07:31:25 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Being able to short UIAs would be very beneficial to BitShares

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George (Bitspark)07:42:31 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

I'm periodically hearing requests of BTS borrowing. Say, you can take bitCNY as a collateral and borrow BTS to open a short position.

👍👍👍

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Digital Lucife®07:49:36 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

I'm periodically hearing requests of BTS borrowing. Say, you can take bitCNY as a collateral and borrow BTS to open a short position.

wouldnt be that triggering BS on BTS by enabling it ?

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Fabian Schuh07:51:00 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

I'm periodically hearing requests of BTS borrowing. Say, you can take bitCNY as a collateral and borrow BTS to open a short position.

That would mean the supply of BTS can change as arbitrarily as the supply for bitUSD .. you sure, you want that?

FS

Fabian Schuh07:51:19 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

.. given the impacts on governance and the need for a trusted feed ..

VC

Valera Cogut07:53:47 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

.. given the impacts on governance and the need for a trusted feed ..

we have already a trusted feed from witnesses which can be inverted as 1/feed_price for borrowing BTS

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Alex M - clockwork07:54:20 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

borrow from where?

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Fabian Schuh07:54:30 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

valeracogut

we have already a trusted feed from witnesses which can be inverted as 1/feed_price for borrowing BTS

you should think that through very carefully .. I am sure you can come up with the problem on your own

VC

Valera Cogut07:54:59 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

borrow from where?

from settlement fund imho, there are different ways as always and everywhere

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Alex M - clockwork07:55:05 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

anyway...shorting BTS is simply buying bitAssets.,..instead of borrowing

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Digital Lucife®07:55:19 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

anyway...shorting BTS is simply buying bitAssets.,..instead of borrowing

+++

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Crypto Kong07:55:25 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We shouldnt do anything that makes BTS more volatile...

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Alex M - clockwork07:55:35 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

shorting BTS WITH leverage

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Digital Lucife®07:55:36 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

We shouldnt do anything that makes BTS more volatile...

+++

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Alex M - clockwork07:55:38 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not a good idea

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Alex M - clockwork07:56:50 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

valeracogut

from settlement fund imho, there are different ways as always and everywhere

settlement fund is for paying back MPA holders...dotn see how it relates

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca07:57:17 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

not a good idea

Unless we want something like 2008 crisis here on chain. In that case that is a GREAT idea, although not one that I can and will endorse.

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Valera Cogut07:58:00 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

settlement fund is for paying back MPA holders...dotn see how it relates

I mean maybe instead of auction (instead of bidding) maybe I'm wrong

CO

Christian Olsen08:00:05 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

any idea when that htlc might be implemented? last i heard it had been succesfully tested on testnet but that was a while ago

Sorry for late reply im still catching Up🙂 Do you think Norns could be used For the lending? https://whaleshares.io/@customminer/norns-three-phase-oscillating-algorithm-based-assets-on-the-bts-dex https://whaleshares.io/@cryptick1/trustless-peer-to-peer-loan-sharks-on-bitshares https://github.com/BTS-CM/Norns/blob/master/about.md

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vvk08:03:23 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

That would mean the supply of BTS can change as arbitrarily as the supply for bitUSD .. you sure, you want that?

No. I didn't mean creation of new BTS. The mentioned feature can be implemented in several ways. Most obvious is adding a new asset bitBTS which tracks BTS value. And another option, more interesting. Say you have 100 bitUSD collaterized by 175 BTS (assume 1 BTS = 1 USD for simplicity). Imagine you can put 100 bitUSD into collateral smartcontract and take 100 BTS from original bitUSD collateral. So, whether BTS price goes up, a margin call will buy back BTS using your bitUSD collateral.

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Alex M - clockwork08:03:36 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

any idea when that htlc might be implemented? last i heard it had been succesfully tested on testnet but that was a while ago

mainnet consensus release is due in may i think

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Crypto Kong08:03:50 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

mainnet consensus release is due in may i think

👍

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Crypto Kong08:04:48 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

Sorry for late reply im still catching Up🙂 Do you think Norns could be used For the lending? https://whaleshares.io/@customminer/norns-three-phase-oscillating-algorithm-based-assets-on-the-bts-dex https://whaleshares.io/@cryptick1/trustless-peer-to-peer-loan-sharks-on-bitshares https://github.com/BTS-CM/Norns/blob/master/about.md

It could... but not really for the idea of being able to short any asset as you would have to buy it first with borrowed funds

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Alex M - clockwork08:04:50 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

No. I didn't mean creation of new BTS. The mentioned feature can be implemented in several ways. Most obvious is adding a new asset bitBTS which tracks BTS value. And another option, more interesting. Say you have 100 bitUSD collaterized by 175 BTS (assume 1 BTS = 1 USD for simplicity). Imagine you can put 100 bitUSD into collateral smartcontract and take 100 BTS from original bitUSD collateral. So, whether BTS price goes up, a margin call will buy back BTS using your bitUSD collateral.

mpa backed mpas are possible

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Alex M - clockwork08:04:58 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but i think theyre not a good idea

VC

Valera Cogut08:05:16 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

No. I didn't mean creation of new BTS. The mentioned feature can be implemented in several ways. Most obvious is adding a new asset bitBTS which tracks BTS value. And another option, more interesting. Say you have 100 bitUSD collaterized by 175 BTS (assume 1 BTS = 1 USD for simplicity). Imagine you can put 100 bitUSD into collateral smartcontract and take 100 BTS from original bitUSD collateral. So, whether BTS price goes up, a margin call will buy back BTS using your bitUSD collateral.

imho we should think about all advantages and disadvantages and then decide what is better and what isn't

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Alex M - clockwork08:05:25 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

can probably be gamed heavily too

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Fabian Schuh08:05:36 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we could create a `bitBTS.CNY` which uses CNY as collateral and tracks value of BTS ..

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Christian Olsen08:05:43 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

It could... but not really for the idea of being able to short any asset as you would have to buy it first with borrowed funds

Ok

FS

Fabian Schuh08:05:56 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you'd hold `BTS.CNY` instead of real BTS

FS

Fabian Schuh08:06:04 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no voting power .. just exposure to BTS

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vvk08:26:08 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes, good start to test the concept

JW

Jay Wong08:29:10 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi

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Jay Wong08:29:14 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Want To Sell Bitmain Coupon 360 / 250 / 160 usd PM for best offer. =D

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funkit10:54:21 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Except for the ability to short, I don't see the benefit. It is easy to short anyway by selling to cny.

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Alex M - clockwork10:54:50 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Except for the ability to short, I don't see the benefit. It is easy to short anyway by selling to cny.

leveraged shorts

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Alex M - clockwork10:54:53 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thats about it

AM

Alex M - clockwork10:55:12 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not sure how shorting your core asset with leverage is a good idea

AM

Alex M - clockwork10:55:14 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

:P

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Alex M - clockwork10:55:30 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thats like shorting your own bank

AM

Alex M - clockwork10:55:49 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

will people make money? possibly

AM

Alex M - clockwork10:55:53 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

should we condoen it? fuck no

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funkit10:55:58 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Leveraging more than 1:1 is a bad idea imo

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Christian Olsen11:28:14 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

not sure if this has been suggested yet, but the "propose transaction" scammer is really getting annoying, filling up my transaction screen/history plugin etc. can't i just set my account to auto-deny all proposed transactions unless i whitelist them?

❤️❤️❤️❤️ Thats the way to do it

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Stefan11:29:18 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

not sure if this has been suggested yet, but the "propose transaction" scammer is really getting annoying, filling up my transaction screen/history plugin etc. can't i just set my account to auto-deny all proposed transactions unless i whitelist them?

What new account names is it using?

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Mathew11:33:03 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Really good talk the last few days guys...struggling to catch up on all the messages

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Mathew11:34:04 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Atomic swaps, decentralised staking and some alternative smartcoins all needed

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Stefan11:34:38 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyone seen logo / icon / sketches for HTLC / ACCT floating around somewhere?

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Christian Olsen12:09:21 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

All this talk about HTLC / ACCT atomic swaps Is there a way we could make it so that u could be ur own Gateway So u stake dash and get something Like my.dash u could trade on Bitshares And only unlock ur stake with same amount of my.dash?? Does that make sense?

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Stefan12:20:41 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

All this talk about HTLC / ACCT atomic swaps Is there a way we could make it so that u could be ur own Gateway So u stake dash and get something Like my.dash u could trade on Bitshares And only unlock ur stake with same amount of my.dash?? Does that make sense?

You can, but any holder of my.dash would then need to trust you to release the actual dash once someone requests it

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Christian Olsen12:23:21 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ok maybe that would work better as apart of a proposal

MP

milos patek13:05:35 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

any news for bitshares appart of DEX?

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Andy13:05:39 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it should be lent with smart contract, lender offers up assets to be lent and at what rate, user decides what leverage and asset they will be putting up, if users trades come within a percentage of not being able to pay back, their position is closed and funds returned to lender

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Stefan13:10:28 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Milospatek

any news for bitshares appart of DEX?

Have a look here https://steemit.com/blockchain/@sschiessl/-bitshares-a-fully-decentralized-platform-community-20190218t112456775z-post Scroll to "Can you tell us about important developments yet to come and why they are important?"

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Dariia13:21:37 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

**ETH and All ERC20 Gateways Under Maintenance** ETH and all ERC20 gateways are temporarily disabled due to maintenance works. We will inform you as soon as the works are finished. Sorry for the inconvenience caused. https://dex.openledger.io/news/eth-and-erc20-under-maintenance/

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Dariia13:37:15 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Don't mind they are already OK!

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Stefan14:16:47 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

New UI release is out! https://whaleshares.io/@sschiessl/the-bitshares-blockchain-ui-release-20190227

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Cipher14:21:11 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@Stefan

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Cipher14:21:21 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

when opening the wallet i get this react error:

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Cipher14:21:26 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

```Invariant Violation: Minified React error #31; visit https://reactjs.org/docs/error-decoder.html?invariant=31&args[]=object%20with%20keys%20%7Btranslate%7D&args[]= for the full message or use the non-minified dev environment for full errors and additional helpful warnings. at e.exports (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2462027) at h (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2370046) at di (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2426352) at https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2431041 at ki (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2432237) at xi (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2432172) at Ni (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2438193) at da (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2446958) at pa (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2447265) at Ga (https://wallet.bitshares.org/vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25:2450813) a @ app.4af293f1ab2d2fcfcb03.js:1 app.4af293f1ab2d2fcfcb03.js:1 TypeError: Cannot read property 'url' of undefined at t.value (app.4af293f1ab2d2fcfcb03.js:1) at t.value (app.4af293f1ab2d2fcfcb03.js:1) at t.value (app.4af293f1ab2d2fcfcb03.js:1) at Oi (vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25) at Ni (vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25) at da (vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25) at pa (vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25) at Ga (vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25) at qa (vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25) at Ka (vendor.778aba3ec73339eebd17.js:25)```

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Cipher14:21:36 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

in the browser console

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Cipher14:21:48 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and only see a white page

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Stefan14:22:11 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BrechREiZ

@Stefan

come to @btswallethelp please

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Andy14:45:44 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

anyone using the mobile app? is it any good?

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Mathew14:46:31 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

All this talk about HTLC / ACCT atomic swaps Is there a way we could make it so that u could be ur own Gateway So u stake dash and get something Like my.dash u could trade on Bitshares And only unlock ur stake with same amount of my.dash?? Does that make sense?

I like the idea of a you.DEX where you stake your own BTC, ETH, LTC and receive you.BTC - the 'staked' BTC is then used to create liquidity on/off and you (presumably) get the lion's share of fee's. Basically a truly decentralised exchange.

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Mathew14:47:02 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

anyone using the mobile app? is it any good?

I just use the website, works fine on the phone - wallet.bitshares.org

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Mathew14:47:13 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

New UI release is out! https://whaleshares.io/@sschiessl/the-bitshares-blockchain-ui-release-20190227 Any troubles? Come to @btswallethelp

Good job Stefan!

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Stefan14:47:15 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

anyone using the mobile app? is it any good?

It is quite good yes (BTS++ app)

AM

Alex M - clockwork14:47:36 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

It is quite good yes (BTS++ app), depends on your use case

good to hear....heavent had time to check it out yet

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kenCode15:02:31 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

What new account names is it using?

the proposals are coming from 3 different accounts now: http://cryptofresh.com/u/bambuddha-1 scam accounts found so far: openledger-security committee-seccurity committee-securuti asking devs to constantly maintain a blacklist (especially as more scammers learn how to do that propose transaction trick) would just be wasting time and money. it would be better imo to have proposals disabled/flagged by default and if the user wants to allow people to send them proposals then that user must whitelist the account that can send them proposals. this way a blacklist does not need to be maintained, warnings sent out constantly to users, etc. lower risk.

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kenCode15:04:38 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

anyone using the mobile app? is it any good?

try BiTSy for android too: www.bitsy-wallet.com

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Mathew15:08:06 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

the proposals are coming from 3 different accounts now: http://cryptofresh.com/u/bambuddha-1 scam accounts found so far: openledger-security committee-seccurity committee-securuti asking devs to constantly maintain a blacklist (especially as more scammers learn how to do that propose transaction trick) would just be wasting time and money. it would be better imo to have proposals disabled/flagged by default and if the user wants to allow people to send them proposals then that user must whitelist the account that can send them proposals. this way a blacklist does not need to be maintained, warnings sent out constantly to users, etc. lower risk.

I think @sschiessl was looking at something like this for the latest UI?

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Stefan15:08:24 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

matle85

I think @sschiessl was looking at something like this for the latest UI?

Correct

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kenCode15:08:30 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

❤️❤️

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kenCode15:08:49 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

this should be in core imo

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kenCode15:09:08 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

otherwise every ui de will have to make sure to add the ui to trap for this cases

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kenCode15:10:40 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

is this account an LTM or not? does this account have any whitelisted tx proposal people? lots of flags that can be set on an account such as multisig perms, etc. this proposals flag is a doozie.

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kenCode15:11:19 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

only whitelisted users can send you proposals.

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Stefan15:18:10 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

only whitelisted users can send you proposals.

Possible, but at the end it is a UX issue.

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kenCode15:18:47 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes, but at least users won't be scammed with that thing unless they choose to enable that feature

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Stefan15:19:13 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yea, you mean something like "Allow proposals" flag on the acount

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kenCode15:19:24 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yep that would be awesome

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Stefan15:19:45 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hm. I'm afraid it's too late for that now. But if you care enough, please write a BSIP for it :)

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kenCode15:20:23 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hehe i'm no writer that's for sure ☺️

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Fuzzy15:20:59 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Hm. I'm afraid it's too late for that now. But if you care enough, please write a BSIP for it :) ❤️

i got back to you in discord stefan

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Christian Olsen15:49:42 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

matle85

I like the idea of a you.DEX where you stake your own BTC, ETH, LTC and receive you.BTC - the 'staked' BTC is then used to create liquidity on/off and you (presumably) get the lion's share of fee's. Basically a truly decentralised exchange.

I was thinking it would be a nice feature for Bitshares If we could figure out a way This could be made trustless But im not sure how to that

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Mathew15:51:18 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

I was thinking it would be a nice feature for Bitshares If we could figure out a way This could be made trustless But im not sure how to that

Problem is always the same - who holds the keys?

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Christian Olsen15:55:10 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes exactly

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R15:58:45 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

matle85

I like the idea of a you.DEX where you stake your own BTC, ETH, LTC and receive you.BTC - the 'staked' BTC is then used to create liquidity on/off and you (presumably) get the lion's share of fee's. Basically a truly decentralised exchange.

You'd be effectively donating to a market making system, it doesn't sound safe from volatility and would be centralized. There's bsips on market fee redistribution already

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Andy16:57:00 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

It is quite good yes (BTS++ app), depends on your use case

is that in the google play store?

SB

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Andy17:00:11 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

is that in the google play store?

there is BTS++ and Bitshares Mobile, both by btspp-team in google play, are they the same and safe to get off google play or better to download off github

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Dary Owen17:27:44 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Stefan18:13:03 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Andy

there is BTS++ and Bitshares Mobile, both by btspp-team in google play, are they the same and safe to get off google play or better to download off github

I haven't checked or verified the Google store

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Nicky Havey18:22:26 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey everyone

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Nicky Havey18:23:22 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wondering if someone can help shed light on something for me

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Nicky Havey18:24:42 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I am looking to withdraw some BTS but I have a dash in the "withdraw" column. Is there a minimum amount I need in there to withdraw or some settings need to be changed?

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Crypto Kong18:34:56 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nickyhavey

I am looking to withdraw some BTS but I have a dash in the "withdraw" column. Is there a minimum amount I need in there to withdraw or some settings need to be changed?

you dont withdraw BTS you send it

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Crypto Kong18:35:50 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

withdraw is to withdraw an asset from a gateway to another blockchain, BTS is the bitshares blockchains native token so you dont need a gateway to do anything for you, you just send it

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Nicky Havey18:39:26 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'd like to exchange some BTS into another currency though on Binance. So how can I do that?

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Nicky Havey18:43:24 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Don't worry, I have been on a journey of discovery and found out what I need to do. Thanks for your help Mr @Cryptokong123

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Nicky Havey18:43:52 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No worries, I have been on a journey of discovery and found out what I need to do, thanks for the help Mr K!

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@19:00:56 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Helo

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@19:01:11 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is anyone here

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Helo

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Dexy Bitshares19:05:08 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/barter how does this feature work? does it create an additional multisignature account and create proposal from it? or what method does it use?

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@19:05:13 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is anyone here

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dexy_cc

https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/barter how does this feature work? does it create an additional multisignature account and create proposal from it? or what method does it use?

Do u have Cryptotab Script

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@19:06:29 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/barter how does this feature work? does it create an additional multisignature account and create proposal from it? or what method does it use?

Do u have it please send me the script

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Alex M - clockwork19:11:21 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/barter how does this feature work? does it create an additional multisignature account and create proposal from it? or what method does it use?

Proposals

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Stefan19:23:03 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/barter how does this feature work? does it create an additional multisignature account and create proposal from it? or what method does it use?

Have you seen the initial tooltip in header?

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Stefan19:23:37 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Barter needs a pretty table view to visualize incoming.barter proposals. Right now it just has proposed transactions I'm dashboard

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Dexy Bitshares22:38:48 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Have you seen the initial tooltip in header?

yes but didn't understand how it works. does it create new account for escrow?

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Stefan22:39:33 - 26 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

yes but didn't understand how it works. does it create new account for escrow?

No, you can use any existing account. It merely uses proposals

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Leila Stones02:00:00 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello everyone please I need help on how to invest

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Digital Lucife®02:04:41 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Leila Stones

Hello everyone please I need help on how to invest

Get the cash first ready :)

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George (Bitspark)06:02:40 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

wasnt there discussion a while back about a BSIP so that only the sum total undercollateralisation of a smartcoin would cause GS not just the least collateralised position ?

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Alex M - clockwork06:03:44 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

wasnt there discussion a while back about a BSIP so that only the sum total undercollateralisation of a smartcoin would cause GS not just the least collateralised position ?

nothing concrete

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George (Bitspark)06:11:07 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👎

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Stefan06:14:39 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

👎

Care to formulate? :)

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Alex M - clockwork06:17:48 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

there's also this: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0058.md

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fav06:21:01 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bsip-0069 favs lambo funding

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Alex M - clockwork06:21:14 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Bsip-0069 favs lambo funding

if you ever bothered to write it

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fav06:21:30 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

:'(

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Alex M - clockwork06:23:27 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

:'(

https://vinepair.com/cocktail-recipe/breakfast-tonic-recipe/

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fav06:35:56 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

https://vinepair.com/cocktail-recipe/breakfast-tonic-recipe/

Awesome!!!

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George (Bitspark)06:37:15 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Care to formulate? :)

do not have the technical knowledge for writing a BSIP for that, hoping this is something on Cores roadmap.

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Stefan06:38:07 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

do not have the technical knowledge for writing a BSIP for that, hoping this is something on Cores roadmap.

Don't you have techie-people behind you? Send them to the dev channel, for cannon-fodder, ääh, I mean, contribution 😁

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George (Bitspark)06:39:16 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Don't you have techie-people behind you? Send them to the dev channel, for cannon-fodder, ääh, I mean, contribution 😁

When we finish the 4 million other things on our list first then sure 👍

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Stefan06:39:53 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

When we finish the 4 million other things on our list first then sure 👍

Meh

下了

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Alex M - clockwork06:45:50 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

When we finish the 4 million other things on our list first then sure 👍

I see your 4 million and raise you another 4

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Hacked script it can give u 8BTC per day

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fav07:26:51 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'll raise my breakfast gin too

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Vlink糖果客服-糖糖07:53:26 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

我们有中文群吗

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二 二07:55:29 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

有

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Vlink糖果客服-糖糖07:56:39 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

求带

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Stefan08:05:17 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sorry if that was not spam (directed at the chinese writing people)

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:11:19 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

Sorry for late reply im still catching Up🙂 Do you think Norns could be used For the lending? https://whaleshares.io/@customminer/norns-three-phase-oscillating-algorithm-based-assets-on-the-bts-dex https://whaleshares.io/@cryptick1/trustless-peer-to-peer-loan-sharks-on-bitshares https://github.com/BTS-CM/Norns/blob/master/about.md

While Norns (and other oscilating algo based bitassets are fascinating field of study), economically they are sort of a cargo-cult, since their oscillation is not based on any economic activity.

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:11:30 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Just my opinion though.

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Christian Olsen08:18:40 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

While Norns (and other oscilating algo based bitassets) are fascinating field of study, economically they are sort of a cargo-cult, since their oscillation is not based on any economic activity.

But they do represent a period of time which is excellent for loans🙂

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:20:12 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

But they do represent a period of time which is excellent for loans🙂

What sort of Economic activity happens in this period of time?

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:21:45 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Point is that a period of time also represents a period of time. Sorry if that is a bit tautological

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Christian Olsen08:40:10 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

As i understand it the value changes oscillates between 0,95-1,05 So if u borrow it into exitense 0,95 u and settle it at 1,05 To make a profit of 10% Im not certainly not an Expert So anybody please correct me if im wrong 🙂

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Christian Olsen08:41:09 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Oscillates from 0,95 - 1,05 takes two weeks i believe

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Dariia08:45:04 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

**Announcement About Some OpenLedger DEX Gateways** Keeping to take steps to improve the speed of transactions on our decentralized trading platform, we’ve carried out another technical audit. ⚠️ 10 gateways were identified as underperforming since these coins haven’t been traded, deposited, or withdrawn for some months now. These gateways will be disabled according to the terms and conditions of our listing agreement with official token representatives: DGD EPT GAME EXCL INCNT PPY ZGC TUSD HTML TRX ‼️❗️**On February 27, 2019, the gateways will be disabled on OpenLedger DEX. You won’t be able to deposit the coins starting the same date.** https://dex.openledger.io/news/some-openledger-dex-gateways-disabled/

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vvk08:46:30 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I voted for witneses: sahkan-bitshares elmato abc123 because they refused to reduce bitCNY MSSR to 1.05. I don't support the idea of reducing MSSR because I think that it will harm bitCNY stability and will increase Black Swan probability

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vvk08:47:15 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

According to new bitcrab initiative bitCNY MSSR will be reduced even more to 1.02

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Alex M - clockwork08:47:54 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

I voted for witnesses: sahkan-bitshares elmato abc123 because they refused to reduce bitCNY MSSR to 1.05. I don't support the idea of reducing MSSR because I think that it will harm bitCNY stability and will increase Black Swan probability

without getting into an argument regarding the effects of MSSR reduction

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Slavi08:48:11 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

I voted for witnesses: sahkan-bitshares elmato abc123 because they refused to reduce bitCNY MSSR to 1.05. I don't support the idea of reducing MSSR because I think that it will harm bitCNY stability and will increase Black Swan probability

It's better to support proxies who did not vote for reducing to 1.05

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Alex M - clockwork08:48:23 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

technically you should not be voting for them (fwiw...i think theyre great witnesses) since they're ignoring consensus

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Slavi08:48:46 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

technically you should not be voting for them (fwiw...i think theyre great witnesses) since they're ignoring consensus

That's the point.

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Alex M - clockwork08:48:56 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as things stand, it's not up to witnesses to decide (i think it shoudl be) but only to apply

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Alex M - clockwork08:49:11 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

imho it SHOULD be up to the witnesses

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George (Bitspark)08:49:11 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I just ignore bitcny. Too many param changes that are ‘temporary’ and yet not.

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Alex M - clockwork08:49:45 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but it requires a trader/market-savvy person as well as a technical person team for each witness

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Slavi08:49:48 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

I just ignore bitcny. Too many param changes that are ‘temporary’ and yet not.

Bitusd is under GS, bitcny is ignored... What to use? :)

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Stefan08:49:53 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dariiap

Announcement About Some OpenLedger DEX Gateways Keeping to take steps to improve the speed of transactions on our decentralized trading platform, we’ve carried out another technical audit. ⚠️ 10 gateways were identified as underperforming since these coins haven’t been traded, deposited, or withdrawn for some months now. These gateways will be disabled according to the terms and conditions of our listing agreement with official token representatives: DGD EPT GAME EXCL INCNT PPY ZGC TUSD HTML TRX ‼️❗️**On February 27, 2019, the gateways will be disabled on OpenLedger DEX. You won’t be able to deposit the coins starting the same date.** https://dex.openledger.io/news/some-openledger-dex-gateways-disabled/

"On February 27, 2019". Typo?

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George (Bitspark)08:50:01 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

memset

Bitusd is under GS, bitcny is ignored... What to use? :)

BTS 😎

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Alex M - clockwork08:50:45 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@favdesu re: coinomi

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Alex M - clockwork08:50:45 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Angelos | Coinomi Wallet .: This only was true for desktops only at restore and it was encrypted with ssl before it hits google apis. OP is shill. Latest desktop exe on the site removed it.

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Dariia08:51:22 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

"On February 27, 2019". Typo?

No, it's today

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Crypto Kong08:51:24 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

as things stand, it's not up to witnesses to decide (i think it shoudl be) but only to apply

If they can ignore consensus... then those are the rules. If its not built into code its bull shit in my opinion

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Stefan08:52:05 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dariiap

Announcement About Some OpenLedger DEX Gateways Keeping to take steps to improve the speed of transactions on our decentralized trading platform, we’ve carried out another technical audit. ⚠️ 10 gateways were identified as underperforming since these coins haven’t been traded, deposited, or withdrawn for some months now. These gateways will be disabled according to the terms and conditions of our listing agreement with official token representatives: DGD EPT GAME EXCL INCNT PPY ZGC TUSD HTML TRX ‼️❗️**On February 27, 2019, the gateways will be disabled on OpenLedger DEX. You won’t be able to deposit the coins starting the same date.** https://dex.openledger.io/news/some-openledger-dex-gateways-disabled/

You announce that you are closing the gateway on the same day? What about people possibly wanting to offloadß

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Alex M - clockwork08:52:10 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

If they can ignore consensus... then those are the rules. If its not built into code its bull shit in my opinion

code rules say committee can override transfer all bitAssets in existence back to itself

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Alex M - clockwork08:52:20 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not sure that would fly as consensus :P

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Crypto Kong08:52:27 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Touche

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Crypto Kong08:52:29 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Lol

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vvk08:52:35 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If BTS holders are really want to force something they must up spin up own witnesses.

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Alex M - clockwork08:53:04 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

If BTS holders are really want to force something they must spin up own witnesses.

no...just keep voting and educating others to vote

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Slavi08:53:04 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's weird... Anarchy in the Blockchain. :))

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:53:52 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

As i understand it the value changes oscillates between 0,95-1,05 So if u borrow it into exitense 0,95 u and settle it at 1,05 To make a profit of 10% Im not certainly not an Expert So anybody please correct me if im wrong 🙂

To make a trade you need someone on the other side. So, yes you will, if there are people who consent to just giving you money.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:55:43 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

If BTS holders are really want to force something they must spin up own witnesses.

Their own proxies more like.

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fav08:55:45 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Angelos | Coinomi Wallet .: This only was true for desktops only at restore and it was encrypted with ssl before it hits google apis. OP is shill. Latest desktop exe on the site removed it.

OP said this is a new vuln in the reddit thread

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Michael Clifford08:56:17 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello everyone

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Dariia08:56:30 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

You announce that you are closing the gateway on the same day? What about people possibly wanting to offload?

Please, read carefully. Deposits will be closed from today, but not withdrawal

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Stefan08:57:28 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dariiap

Please, read carefully. Deposits will be closed from today, but not withdrawal

Confusing formulation. "On February 27, 2019, the gateways will be disabled on OpenLedger DEX"

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Alex M - clockwork08:58:43 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

OP said this is a new vuln in the reddit thread

havent really followed....this is the latest update i had from one of their dev team

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Alex M - clockwork09:00:05 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

He tried again 2 years ago

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Alex M - clockwork09:00:05 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Saying we dont use ssl

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Alex M - clockwork09:00:05 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Same shill

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Dariia09:00:58 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Confusing formulation. "On February 27, 2019, the gateways will be disabled on OpenLedger DEX"

Right, we will make correction

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Dariia09:01:02 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thank you

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Stefan09:01:32 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dariiap

Right, we will make correction

👍

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Christian Olsen09:02:08 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

To make a trade you need someone on the other side. So, yes you will, if there are people who consent to just giving you money.

Well yes the assest is designed for making loans 🙂 I liked this article describes a way to do it https://whaleshares.io/@cryptick1/trustless-peer-to-peer-loan-sharks-on-bitshares

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Crypto Kong09:02:59 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

Well yes the assest is designed for making loans 🙂 I liked this article describes a way to do it https://whaleshares.io/@cryptick1/trustless-peer-to-peer-loan-sharks-on-bitshares

I dont think they were designed with that intention... its a possible usecase realised by cryptic

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca09:03:17 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

Well yes the assest is designed for making loans 🙂 I liked this article describes a way to do it https://whaleshares.io/@cryptick1/trustless-peer-to-peer-loan-sharks-on-bitshares

Yeah, I've read it. But from its description I did not understand HOW it allows you to make loans. I mean bitassets are already designed to make loans. :>

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca09:03:54 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So that part is correct. How Norns are better at making loans, than other bitassets?

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George (Bitspark)09:07:20 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

So that part is correct. How Norns are better at making loans, than other bitassets? Is that what I didn't get from that article.

the preditability of the payback terms

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George (Bitspark)09:07:46 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you always know what you can settle it for, if 'borrowing' bitCNY, you dont know how many BTS that would be day to day

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca09:12:19 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

you always know what you can settle it for, if 'borrowing' bitCNY, you dont know how many BTS that would equate to a week from now

Um, okay. How does that happen? It ascillates around 0.95 and 1.05? I assume that is 0.95 and 1.05 BTS, if what you're saying is correct?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca09:12:58 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If it it around .95 and 1.05 USD, CNY, or whatever then it is no different from bitCNY

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca09:14:25 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And even then, the biggest problem that I see, is what economic sense does it make to buy those assets when they are at 1.05, knowing that they are going to go down to 0.95?

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Christian Olsen11:29:29 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I dont think they were designed with that intention... its a possible (theoretical) usecase realised by cryptic

Ok like i said Im not the most experienced🙂 Thanks for ur reply

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Станислав Зуев15:16:22 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

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Alex M - clockwork15:40:13 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@favdesu https://medium.com/coinomi/official-statement-on-spell-check-findings-547ca348676b

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fav15:47:56 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

@favdesu https://medium.com/coinomi/official-statement-on-spell-check-findings-547ca348676b

Thank god, only Google knows the seed phrases then. Phew

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fav15:48:06 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nothing to worry about 😂😂😂

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Alex M - clockwork15:49:31 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Thank god, only Google knows the seed phrases then. Phew

on the edge case they store invalid incoming requests (some of billions) on the off chance they contain a PK seed

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Alex M - clockwork15:49:45 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

was it a bad bug

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Alex M - clockwork15:49:46 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

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Alex M - clockwork15:50:18 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but i'm quite convinced by their side of the story

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Alex M - clockwork15:50:48 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

especially when they ve had a very good rep for the most part

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Stefan15:59:14 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.btcnn.com/cryptojacking/hacker-steals-2-9-million-eos-cryptocurrency-following-failure-to-update-blacklist/

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kenCode17:01:33 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

LOL

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Nodestradamus 🚀17:05:33 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

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Stefan17:39:47 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You mean minus on you to match?

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Оксана Семёнова19:54:36 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

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patinity21:39:30 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

babydragon here?

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Dexy Bitshares22:20:18 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

no...just keep voting and educating others to vote

why can't we vote against any proposals/candidates although this function exists in the core?

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patinity22:26:04 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ye, for evolution bitshares, not few capitals

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Alex M - clockwork22:30:06 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

why can't we vote against any proposals/candidates although this function exists in the core?

it doesn't exist

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Dexy Bitshares22:32:58 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

it doesn't exist

get_object 1.14.168 [{ "id": "1.14.168", "worker_account": "1.2.121", "work_begin_date": "2019-02-25T00:00:00", "work_end_date": "2019-05-25T00:00:00", "daily_pay": 800000, "worker": [ 1,{ "balance": "1.13.23088" } ], "vote_for": "2:530", "vote_against": "2:531", "total_votes_for": "31908529757036", "total_votes_against": 0, "name": "Poll - BSIP59 - Reduce MSSR of bitCNY to 1.02", "url": "https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27843.0" } ]

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Alex M - clockwork22:33:46 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it's just a leftover

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Alex M - clockwork22:34:18 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

downvoting has been disabled since 2015 due to emski's attack and bitshares switched to approval voting only

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Alex M - clockwork22:34:29 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

relevant history here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5164.0

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patinity22:35:35 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no veto allowed?

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Alex M - clockwork22:36:18 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

patinity

no veto allowed? reducing MSSR looks like going to negative number

nope

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Alex M - clockwork22:36:22 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

approval voting only

AM

Alex M - clockwork22:36:23 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

however

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Alex M - clockwork22:36:46 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you have 2 other options

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Alex M - clockwork22:37:30 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vote for Poll - BSIP59 - Do Not Reduce MSSR of bitCNY

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Alex M - clockwork22:37:34 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or

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Alex M - clockwork22:37:50 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vote for threshold-bsip

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Alex M - clockwork22:38:05 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

first one is the "anti-vote"

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Alex M - clockwork22:38:28 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

second one sets the amount of votes ANY bsip needs to surpass to be considered active

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patinity22:42:25 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thx for information, forward to russian community

DB

Dexy Bitshares22:52:42 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

downvoting has been disabled since 2015 due to emski's attack and bitshares switched to approval voting only

"Since your will is part of the public will and is the basis for the legitimacy of government, the right to negate someone else’s vote is a fundamental human right. To deny this right is to infringe on the range of public opinion that is capable of being expressed." (c) larimer date of article: 8/13/2016 https://steemit.com/politics/@dantheman/origin-of-the-right-to-vote-and-how-the-system-denies-this-right does he ignore this attack vector?

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Alex M - clockwork22:54:31 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

"Since your will is part of the public will and is the basis for the legitimacy of government, the right to negate someone else’s vote is a fundamental human right. To deny this right is to infringe on the range of public opinion that is capable of being expressed." (c) larimer date of article: 8/13/2016 https://steemit.com/politics/@dantheman/origin-of-the-right-to-vote-and-how-the-system-denies-this-right does he ignore this attack vector?

which is exactly why the poll has both a yes and a no option

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Alex M - clockwork22:55:32 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

my response was in relation to why there is no downvoting explicitly

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Alex M - clockwork23:00:50 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

fwiw...here are the relevant lines , disabling negative votes after hardfork 607 time:

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Alex M - clockwork23:00:52 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/blob/master/libraries/chain/db_maint.cpp#L139-L145

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patinity23:02:46 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

there is a discussion of binding bts to bitcoin? (instead $) the rebirth of bitBTC (instead of millions of gateway.btc)?

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Dexy Bitshares23:08:23 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/blob/master/libraries/chain/db_maint.cpp#L139-L145

ok thanks. i found the related bsip https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0015.md

DB

Dexy Bitshares23:29:09 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

technically you should not be voting for them (fwiw...i think theyre great witnesses) since they're ignoring consensus

witnesses can and MUST publish their own MSSR (core function). why only three people who have accepted this reducing 1.10 -> 1.05 -> 1.02 can dictate to them? in the begining they forced every witness to publish fake settlement prices of assets (bsip42) and now this sh*t. is it consensus? what if tommorow this three people elect a king of bitshares and forbid anyone to vote ? should witnesses also accept this new rules?

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patinity23:48:51 - 27 Feb 2019 [UTC]

all all understand, how solve problem?

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Greg | scorpinz04:15:01 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello - Admin? I have a BTC depsoit issue I'm hoping to have help with.

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Greg | scorpinz04:18:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I sent BTC via open.BTC deposit option inside Bitshares. I generated an address and sent it from my Exodus Wallet about 4.5 hours ago. It still hasn't turned up and I think there may have been an accidental error (my fault). I did renew the deposit address into Bitshares just before I sent. But the address was the same (I think it changes every 5 minutes). So I just copied and paste into my Exodus wallet and sent it. Could this have caused my BTC to be inadvertently sent to no-one's account? Pending? Thnx in advance. I'll try some other groups as well.

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Greg | scorpinz04:23:53 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok - I found openLedger support - I'll open a ticket with them.

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Mihail R04:50:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

я думаю, что в одну комнату набить всех руководителей и еще рядовых сотрудников это неправильно

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fav05:53:58 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't know, eos witnesses make so much money, yet some of them come up with the most retarded ideas

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Trizle105:57:09 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

scorpinz

I sent BTC via open.BTC deposit option inside Bitshares. I generated an address and sent it from my Exodus Wallet about 4.5 hours ago. It still hasn't turned up and I think there may have been an accidental error (my fault). I did renew the deposit address into Bitshares just before I sent. But the address was the same (I think it changes every 5 minutes). So I just copied and paste into my Exodus wallet and sent it. Could this have caused my BTC to be inadvertently sent to no-one's account? Pending? Thnx in advance. I'll try some other groups as well.

Limbo

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Stefan06:23:08 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

I don't know, eos witnesses make so much money, yet some of them come up with the most retarded ideas

Goes hand in hand

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Rita o07:04:56 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey, guys! I'd like to talk to you about community cooperation.Who is in charge of the community?😊

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patinity07:05:12 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

scorpinz

Ok - I found openLedger support - I'll open a ticket with them.

got?

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Stefan07:05:51 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Rita o

Hey, guys! I'd like to talk to you about community cooperation.Who is in charge of the community?😊

We all are

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Rita o07:06:45 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

We all are

Great, so this is an autonomous community

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Stefan07:07:51 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Rita o

Great, so this is an autonomous community

Ah, I'm so happy when people trigger me to post this :) https://steemit.com/blockchain/@sschiessl/-bitshares-a-fully-decentralized-platform-community-20190218t112456775z-post

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Rita o07:08:26 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'll check it out. Give me a few minutes

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Rita o07:11:13 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well done, this is a platform that offers freedom

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca07:13:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

patinity

all all understand, how solve problem, may be the rebirth of bitBTC, binding bts to bitcoin? (settlement prices of assets in BTC) this guys, who safe their capitals by capitals of all another users (reducing MSSR for few privat big capitals make fake action in community bitshares), this guys should help make bitshares better

BitBTC is much worse than bitUSD/CNY, as it is much much more volatile and prone to moon/die really quickly.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca07:14:55 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Rita o

Great, so this is an autonomous community

The original one! Accept no substitutes (unless you make your own).

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Rita o07:17:12 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Graphene technology used in BTS substrates?

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Dexy Bitshares07:17:58 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Ah, I'm so happy when people trigger me to post this :) https://steemit.com/blockchain/@sschiessl/-bitshares-a-fully-decentralized-platform-community-20190218t112456775z-post

not fully decentralized. it's decentralized only between 3 people

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Stefan07:18:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Rita o

Graphene technology used in BTS substrates?

What is your question exactly? :)

СД

Софья Давыдова07:20:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

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Stefan07:22:47 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

not fully decentralized. it's decentralized only between 3 people

The platform is fully decentralized. Without KYC or other identifiable measures you will never be able to prevent single entities gaining voting power. In the case of baozi, he simply invested heavily (guess is 6 million USD) to buy BTS, whereas xeroc is a long-standing trusted community member who's voting power is mostly through other people proxying to him. bitcrab is (or was) a mix and represents many from the chinese community

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Greg | scorpinz07:27:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

King_Trizle

Limbo

👍Thanks

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Dexy Bitshares07:28:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

The platform is fully decentralized. Without KYC or other identifiable measures you will never be able to prevent single entities gaining voting power. In the case of baozi, he simply invested heavily (guess is 6 million USD) to buy BTS, he is a very proftiable trader and has his principles, whereas xeroc is a long-standing trusted community member who is governing BitShares since its inception and his voting power is mostly through other people proxying to him. bitcrab is (or was) a mix and represents many from the chinese community

I know, i just said that these 3 people have an opportunity to approve any decision they want. imbalance of voting in bitshares.

VC

Valera Cogut07:29:26 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nice power :)

VC

Valera Cogut07:29:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

for the whole BitShares network

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fav07:37:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

I know, i just said that these 3 people have an opportunity to approve any decision they want. imbalance of voting in bitshares.

Bad decisions cost a lot of money, especially when you hold 6m worth of bts.

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Stefan07:39:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

With regards to the bitCNY governance, I would actually assess baozi/alt as being qualified for the decision as a trader himself (I personally have no clue on market mechanics)

JB

Jonathan Bahai07:42:24 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Bad decisions cost a lot of money, especially when you hold 6m worth of bts.

They dont have to be bad decisions that are troubling... most are just concerned with decisions that are being made not for community benefit but for self benefit. DPOS offers that opportunity in a more verbose way.

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fav07:50:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Buy more bts to counter. The rules are very clear

DB

Dexy Bitshares07:51:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Witnesses, by definition, can't manipulate asset rates, but after accepting bsip42 they are forced to publish fake prices. and the same situation with MSSR. it's conflict of interest.

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Stefan07:53:04 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

Witnesses, by definition, can't manipulate asset rates, but after accepting bsip42 they are forced to publish fake prices. and the same situation with MSSR. it's conflict of interest.

MSSR tackles the issue from a complete different angle, and is not price manipulation IMO. With the upcoming protocol upgrade one core bug is fixed that hindered more sophisitcated strategies, which will then be enabled

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vvk07:53:59 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What bug?

JB

Jonathan Bahai07:56:31 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Buy more bts to counter. The rules are very clear

Then the buyer is put in the same position... to make gains for themselves to recoup... and what if it's too expensive compared to how bts might be acquired by taking advantage of rule changes or voted in workers and witnesses? These are just thought experiments that most people go through.

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fav07:57:51 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The more holders the least problems with this

AM

Alex M - clockwork07:59:05 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still irrelevant

AM

Alex M - clockwork07:59:17 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Baozi is the largest proxy

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Alex M - clockwork07:59:28 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yet still 5% of total stake

DB

Dexy Bitshares07:59:44 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

After bsip42 price manipulations bitshares lost their reputation in the eyes of many people, which we see in the current rate and trade volume.

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Alex M - clockwork07:59:50 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

even within VOTING stake he controls no more than 20%

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Alex M - clockwork08:00:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so the key difference maker is to VOTE

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Alex M - clockwork08:00:19 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and convince others to do the same

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:00:23 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sttrength in numbers

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:00:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

The more holders the least problems with this

That's right... more distribution is needed with more support for this in the protocol... there are other ways to gain more bts power without buying though.. character assasination is one way to sway masses to one proxy voter or another. It's proven effective recently.

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fav08:07:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I would be more concerned about certain Asian governments taking over a huge stake

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:07:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

so the key difference maker is to VOTE

Yes.. there is a psychology barrier to overcome with the feeling of disenfranchisement felt by smaller holders. Again.. it's a design issue where we have functional code without the function human behavior to drive the desired result... more focus on human design in the code will make for more desired results.

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Alex M - clockwork08:09:19 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also, you can't keep everyone happy

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:09:27 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

I would be more concerned about certain Asian governments taking over a huge stake

They only need to talk to one guy right now to do that. :) ... that dude is a warrior though.. he'd sooner die I think before handing over his keys.

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fav08:10:08 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

They only need to talk to one guy right now to do that. :) ... that dude is a warrior though.. he'd sooner die I think before handing over his keys.

Jail baozi, bitcrab. Take over Chinese witnesses. I wonder how big the damage could be

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Alex M - clockwork08:10:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sometimes divisive decisions have to be made. Voting is the only way to make it fair

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:10:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Also, you can't keep everyone happy

Nope.. but 20% isn't exactly a passing grade either right?

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Alex M - clockwork08:11:01 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nope..but it's not just him

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fav08:11:12 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Probably taker over committee in the same hour. Would be the end, resulting in a fork

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Alex M - clockwork08:11:22 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And if people don't care enough

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Alex M - clockwork08:11:57 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You can't assume that people not voting at all are against changes

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:12:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Again...voting is the only way to make sense

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:12:52 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Interesting to note that baozi was against most of the experimentation last year

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:13:11 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Along with other members of the community

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:13:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Now those members are against the mssr change for the same reasons

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:13:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yet baozi supports it

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:13:45 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Competition drove higher risk thinking I think

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:15:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Probably taker over committee in the same hour. Would be the end, resulting in a fork

Not quite enough stake thankfully

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:16:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xeroc, ol, you,Abit together trump their stake

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fav08:17:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They just need to offer some g&t and I'm moving camps

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fav08:17:57 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

😏

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Stefan08:18:13 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I got some good gin at home, sufficient?

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:18:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

They just need to offer some g&t and I'm moving camps

Lorelei => Lore Lee

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:19:06 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

My voting stake will be out of circulation soon for BEOS rainfall

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fav08:20:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Lmao

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fav08:20:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It won't

F

fav08:20:58 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They will use your bts to vote on bts

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:23:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

They will use your bts to vote on bts

I'm aware.. I guess more accurate to say won't be actively voting for a period of time.

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fav08:23:58 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I guess more accurate is that you won't hold any bts

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:25:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

I guess more accurate is that you won't hold any bts

Specifically? I'm lending my balance to accumulate significant interest over a 3 month period.

DB

Dexy Bitshares08:26:23 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Again...voting is the only way to make sense

of course but the current voting system has some issues obviously. if some decision can be approved by 3 people is not wide range of different opinions. it looks like autocracy. perhaps we need a little more delegates with equal voting power in order to present every pieces of the community from poor to rich, like democratic parliament. it's just thoughts

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fav08:26:28 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So nding over your crypto to keys you don't control

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:26:58 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

of course but the current voting system has some issues obviously. if some decision can be approved by 3 people is not wide range of different opinions. it looks like autocracy. perhaps we need a little more delegates with equal voting power in order to present every pieces of the community from poor to rich, like democratic parliament. it's just thoughts

well...that's who peopel have chosen unfortunately

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:27:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and one could argue that by choosing them it means their opinions match

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:27:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but yes

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:27:45 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i am a huge proponent of more proxies and more activity by people to get others voting

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Stefan08:28:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Specifically? I'm lending my balance to accumulate significant interest over a 3 month period.

Since there is nothing factually known at the moment, and to be cynical, you are sending it away with a fictional promise of getting it back

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:28:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Since there is nothing factually known at the moment, and to be cynical, you are sending it away with a fictional promise of getting it back

there's been more info lately

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:28:42 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

of course but the current voting system has some issues obviously. if some decision can be approved by 3 people is not wide range of different opinions. it looks like autocracy. perhaps we need a little more delegates with equal voting power in order to present every pieces of the community from poor to rich, like democratic parliament. it's just thoughts

Proxys would say their opinion has been chosen by many... however that is only valid if all their voting decisions were communicated effectively... they are not.

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Stefan08:28:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

there's been more info lately

Link?

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:28:51 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still , "significant" interest depends on BEOS value

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:28:55 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

which remains to be seen

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fav08:30:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I mean we built a DEX to lower counterparty risk, yet some of you would willingly send all bts to Mt. Gox

FS

Fabian Schuh08:30:19 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i am a huge proponent of more proxies and more activity by people to get others voting

This!

FS

Fabian Schuh08:30:42 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Proxys would say their opinion has been chosen by many... however that is only valid if all their voting decisions were communicated effectively... they are not.

There are proxy channels in the forums ..

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:31:05 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i am a huge proponent of more proxies and more activity by people to get others voting

That means that voting needs to be a more prominent thing in UX.

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:31:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Link?

https://steemkr.com/blocktrades/@blocktrades/bitshares-eos-beos-a-middle-ground-blockchain-for-compiled-code-and-smart-contracts Danno's text is better than the rest so far

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:31:55 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

still , "significant" interest depends on BEOS value

As is with any potential investment... I've sat in the same rooms with the same corporate dicks who really like to see what they are looking to offer. They aren't coming into bitshares any other way and they have billions.

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Stefan08:32:57 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

https://steemkr.com/blocktrades/@blocktrades/bitshares-eos-beos-a-middle-ground-blockchain-for-compiled-code-and-smart-contracts Danno's text is better than the rest so far

"was contracted". People in charge could dissolve the contract and find a new one operating the gateway. I'm looking for a statement of the entitiy running the whole shenanigangs

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:33:17 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Since there is nothing factually known at the moment, and to be cynical, you are sending it away with a fictional promise of getting it back

Bitshares started the same way... can only work with what you got.

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Stefan08:33:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

Bitshares started the same way... can only work with what you got.

Very different times though

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:34:01 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Very different times though

People didn't evolve that fast. :)

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Stefan08:34:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

"was contracted". People in charge could dissolve the contract and find a new one operating the gateway. I'm looking for a statement of the entitiy running the whole shenanigangs

Just so say this does not reflect my personal opinion on BOES, but those are the current published facts I see

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fav08:35:27 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://blog.kyber.network/waterloo-a-decentralized-practical-bridge-between-eos-and-ethereum-1c230ac65524 They'll do it without a chain and with less counterparty risk. Crazy

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fav08:35:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

😂

S

Stefan08:35:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

https://blog.kyber.network/waterloo-a-decentralized-practical-bridge-between-eos-and-ethereum-1c230ac65524 They'll do it without a chain and with less counterparty risk. Crazy

Name fits then

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:35:55 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

"was contracted". People in charge could dissolve the contract and find a new one operating the gateway. I'm looking for a statement of the entitiy running the whole shenanigangs

We could have a solar flare and it's all over too.. how reasonable is the risk?

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Fabian Schuh08:36:06 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

https://blog.kyber.network/waterloo-a-decentralized-practical-bridge-between-eos-and-ethereum-1c230ac65524 They'll do it without a chain and with less counterparty risk. Crazy

excellent article actually!

FS

Fabian Schuh08:36:10 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

aldo good foundation in there ..

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fav08:36:11 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes

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Stefan08:36:30 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

We could have a solar flare and it's all over too.. how reasonable is the risk?

Solar flare can't be triggered by the people in charge, bad comparison :P

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:38:09 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Solar flare can't be triggered by the people in charge, bad comparison :P

The comparison is the likelihood of such a decision... if you believe people will do that then you cannot believe in the game theory DPOS is built on.

DB

Dexy Bitshares08:39:33 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i am a huge proponent of more proxies and more activity by people to get others voting

what about "dead" votes (lost keys, dead people, etc)? do we know how many votes proxies have from accounts with activity more than year ago (for example)?

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:39:47 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

The comparison is the likelihood of such a decision... if you believe people will do that then you cannot believe in the game theory DPOS is built on.

are you saying that Dan Notestein stopping operating the gateway (could be due to lack of time, non-payment, losing faith in the project, an argument, etc.)

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Alex M - clockwork08:40:01 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

is only as likely as a solar flare wiping out everything?

AM

Alex M - clockwork08:40:13 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'd argue there is a few orders of magnitude difference

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Stefan08:40:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

JBahai

The comparison is the likelihood of such a decision... if you believe people will do that then you cannot believe in the game theory DPOS is built on.

Ah, I'm a fact person, no belief necessary in that matter. People can be swayed, bribed, inprisoned, threatened, and so on

ДМ

Данила Муравьёв08:40:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:46:30 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Ah, I'm a fact person, no belief necessary in that matter. People can be swayed, bribed, inprisoned, threatened, and so on

Yes.. and we all know how seriously the people behind BEOS take that... so isnt it more reasonable to assess that as a low risk factor?

JB

Jonathan Bahai08:49:03 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

I'd argue there is a few orders of magnitude difference

Yes.. the solar flare would be far more catastrophic... but the odds to me are not to far apart. I've worked with all these people before.. I know what they can and cannot do well.

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Stefan08:50:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Let's move that discussion to @officialbeos and when we know a bit more, should be soon from what I've heard

GC

Gabriel Cooper09:23:09 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

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funkit09:52:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Let's move that discussion to @officialbeos and when we know a bit more, should be soon from what I've heard

I can't. The freedom lovers deny me an opinion.

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Crypto Kong09:53:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I can't. The freedom lovers deny me an opinion.

Pretty sure you wish to deny them an opinion in here too lol

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Crypto Kong09:53:51 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

As you have previously stated lol

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funkit10:01:18 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That's not what I stated.

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funkit10:23:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I can go into details why it is wrong and threatening to the bitshares constitution to hand over votes to a separate entity. Which is what the BEOS scam intends. Had they only kept the bribery "rainfall" out of the equation, I would probably not bother. But apparently you think it is right that the board of directors of company A holds the general assembly of company B. Which would be unheard of in the real world. Not so in Doc Browns perverted version of "freedom".

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Once Uponatime10:45:38 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BEOS is not a scam. There is no way that Dan Notestein would have risked his reputation to code a scam. You are getting in a funk again funkit.

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Once Uponatime10:47:18 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And it is you objecting to stan and michael being reinstated in this chnnel to answer questions.

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funkit10:50:00 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Listen to yourself. You won't go into the board of directors analogy. It is a scam. And I never claimed the coder to be a scam, only the method.

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Crypto Kong10:54:17 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyway... your opinion on this matter is beside the point.

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Crypto Kong10:54:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I can't. The freedom lovers deny me an opinion.

This comment is hypocritical given that you wouldnt have them in here either.

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Crypto Kong10:55:04 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Which was my point

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Crypto Kong10:55:33 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You cant have it both ways

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funkit10:56:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well. I had a point too. Ad hominem attacks which they do behind my back is below the belt.

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Once Uponatime10:56:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Listen to yourself. You won't go into the board of directors analogy. It is a scam. And I never claimed the coder to be a scam, only the method.

The point is that Dan Notestein is a very reputable person in the dpos world and there is no way he would risk his reputation by openly helping to implement a scam of any kind. And it is obscene of you to suggest BEOS is a scam.

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Crypto Kong10:58:08 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I dont really understand the scam accusations, i can understand you not agreeing with or wanting to support the project but how is it fraudulant?

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funkit10:58:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well, I don't know the guy. He has never engaged in any discussion where I have been. And as I said: I never claimed the coder to be a scam. The "Rainfall" is.

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Crypto Kong10:59:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How is the rainfall fraudulant though?

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Crypto Kong11:00:06 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Everyone knows the terms of the agreement, the centralised 3rd party risk of the deal

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funkit11:00:10 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Because it gives a foreign entity access to mission critical decissions in bitshares.

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Crypto Kong11:01:03 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How is that fraudulant? And how is it a foreign entity? The BTS will be in a BTS wallet

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funkit11:02:23 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Lies, Kong. It will be in a gateway fascility. Dan Notestein said so himself.

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Stefan11:02:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Everyone knows the terms of the agreement, the centralised 3rd party risk of the deal

Let's wait for factual information :) (see my notion above).

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Crypto Kong11:03:19 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If the BTS are not in a BTS wallet they have no voting rights so they have no power to vote so whats the problem?

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Once Uponatime11:04:11 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Well, I don't know the guy. He has never engaged in any discussion where I have been. And as I said: I never claimed the coder to be a scam. The "Rainfall" is.

Dan Notestein's company coded the "rainfall" and the rest of the new code which implements BEOS. There is no distinction between calling the "rainfall" a scam and calling Dan a scammer. Stop it!

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Stefan11:04:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyways, please don't throw the scam word around so lighty. At the current stage there is not enough information and I would only be able to say: Stay vigilant and suspicious. I would also be very happy if you can formulate actual questions taht the people in question can answer

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Stefan11:05:28 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Dan Notestein's company coded the "rainfall" and the rest of the new code which implements BEOS. There is no distinction between calling the "rainfall" a scam and calling Dan a scammer. Stop it!

It is code vs action of those that control it, quite a distinction. Since we don't know who control what only speculative at the moment

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Crypto Kong11:05:45 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It seems to me you have nothing to back up a "scam" accusation. You have your opinion, that your entitled to. It seems to be a minority opinion and so to have your words resonate louder you use the word scam. IMO if anything is unhealthy for the ecosystem it is throwing that word around unnecessarily.

OU

Once Uponatime11:06:21 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

It seems to me you have nothing to back up a "scam" accusation. You have your opinion, that your entitled to. It seems to be a minority opinion and so to have your words resonate louder you use the word scam. IMO if anything is unhealthy for the ecosystem it is throwing that word around unnecessarily.

It has caused great harm in the past.

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Crypto Kong11:07:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

By all means keep voicing your opinion/ concerns. Its healthy to hear all sides. Just dont keep throwing the scam accusations around without proof of fraudulant behaviour.

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funkit11:09:33 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

By all means keep voicing your opinion/ concerns. Its healthy to hear all sides. Just dont keep throwing the scam accusations around without proof of fraudulant behaviour.

Do you find it better that I call it "the bloodletting of bitshares"? Which it in fact is.

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Crypto Kong11:10:30 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That doesnt even make sense to me... call it what you will... id rather just have a sensible debate than silly name calling

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funkit11:12:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well. So to you it is "normal" that the board of directors of Microsoft holds the general assebly in Apple? It just shows how little you know.

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Alex M - clockwork11:12:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Well. So to you it is "normal" that the board of directors of Microsoft holds the general assebly in Apple? It just shows how little you know.

irrelevant

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Alex M - clockwork11:13:01 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the BEOS team has already said that they will be voting with the vested BTS

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Alex M - clockwork11:13:17 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so its not some kind of backhand thing

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Alex M - clockwork11:13:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

whether someone agrees with that or not , has enough trust in the team to vote sensibly is a different story

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funkit11:13:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is vote collusion.

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Once Uponatime11:13:52 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Well. So to you it is "normal" that the board of directors of Microsoft holds the general assebly in Apple? It just shows how little you know.

BEOS is not competing with bitshares. It is enhancing and bringing more value to it. That is why I remain a large bitshares holder.

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Alex M - clockwork11:14:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

It is vote collusion.

it's announced

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Alex M - clockwork11:14:26 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

up to each individual to trust them with tehri vote or not

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Alex M - clockwork11:14:36 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no different than proxyign to michael

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funkit11:15:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

no different than proxyign to michael

Which they have tried to cover up. I wouldn't vote for Michael with a gun to my neck.

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Alex M - clockwork11:16:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

others' opinions may differ

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Stefan11:16:27 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can we please discuss details when details are known? Right now, stay vigilant and suspicious, yet scam accusations need some kind of backing

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Crypto Kong11:16:32 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The BitShares platform is designed in such a way that it encourages the most succesful platforms to gather the most votes in order to influence the direction of the platform. If people believe BEOS will be a success and it ends up being a success and they retain that voting weight it makes sense to me that they (as a succesful enterprise) should have a share in the control of direction BitShares takes.

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Alex M - clockwork11:16:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

my point is there's nothing hidden about it

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Stefan11:17:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

my point is there's nothing hidden about it

Well, to be fair everything is hidden right now. Stan wants his stories to be fictions, so I ll treat it like that

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Stefan11:17:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If we assume fictions become facts, then your discussion holds :)

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Alex M - clockwork11:18:00 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Well, to be fair everything is hidden right now. Stan wants his stories to be fictions, so I ll treat it like that

you know what I mean...my point is that it's not like theyve claimed they wont vote and then turn around and do while the BTS is locked up

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Alex M - clockwork11:18:08 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

theyve already said they will

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Alex M - clockwork11:18:16 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so it comes down to trust in teh individuals involved

冬

冬唯11:18:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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funkit11:19:10 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

my point is there's nothing hidden about it

it's not? What about miles and miles of fictous mumbo-jumbo? Do you support it?

OU

Once Uponatime11:20:03 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Well, to be fair everything is hidden right now. Stan wants his stories to be fictions, so I ll treat it like that

There will be a full week after the BEOS chain is launched for people to test sending small amount of bitshares (or even brownie points) to the gateway and reclaiming them. Also the code is being made available for inspection before the launch.

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Crypto Kong11:20:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I dont think anyone would hand over their BTS as is. We are lying in wait for announcements.

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Alex M - clockwork11:21:19 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

it's not? What about miles and miles of fictous mumbo-jumbo? Do you support it?

i think it's a very silly way of promoting the project...and IMHO hurts its chcances of success greatly ....but i'm not talking about that....the project itself is quite straightforward

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Crypto Kong11:21:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When announcements are made and people know what they are getting into thats when they will potentially start staking BTS. As much as you say we are being conned by fiction, you are also basing your accusations on fiction

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Crypto Kong11:22:59 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So by your own logic, this "scam" doesnt even exist

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funkit11:23:08 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i think it's a very silly way of promoting the project...and IMHO hurts its chcances of success greatly ....but i'm not talking about that....the project itself is quite straightforward

Silly is to light of a word. It is fraud. It is covered up in secrecy.

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funkit11:23:59 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

WE HAVE BSIPS FOR A REASON. The reason is to use them. So far I have not seen a single BEOS BSIP.

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Crypto Kong11:24:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why do they need a bsip to build an eos fork?

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funkit11:25:26 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They don't. But they demand vote power to get a silly token.

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Crypto Kong11:25:53 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So why do they need a bsip?

OU

Once Uponatime11:25:59 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"I recognized how much more enjoyable life was when I focused on contributing and helping and building, rather than fighting and fighting and fighting."

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funkit11:26:23 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

To change consensus and to execute code.

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Crypto Kong11:26:51 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I thought they were just building a gateway to beos?

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Crypto Kong11:27:04 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How can they change code without consensus?

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funkit11:28:12 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That's not what they are doing. They collude to change code on the Bitshares chain. Which is done by a majority vote.

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Crypto Kong11:28:43 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How is it colluding when people willingly hand over their voting rights?

МС

Михаил Сысоев11:29:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

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Alex M - clockwork11:29:23 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

How is it colluding when people willingly hand over their voting rights?

well..technically depend on what their end goal is

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Crypto Kong11:29:48 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You must be very confident in the communities involvement if you think they can get enough votes to do that on their own...

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Crypto Kong11:30:08 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Did funkit just endorse beos? 😂

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Alex M - clockwork11:30:31 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i mean...in the extreme scenario that the whole thing is a facade to gain majority power in BTS...then funkit has a point

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Alex M - clockwork11:30:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still it's a known risk for the community

AM

Alex M - clockwork11:30:50 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they make their own choices

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Alex M - clockwork11:30:57 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so agree with Kong on this

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Stefan11:31:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

they make their own choices

No, they are headless sheep that run after free tokens

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Crypto Kong11:31:50 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Its no different than politicians offering tax breaks for votes

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Crypto Kong11:31:54 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Its politics

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Alex M - clockwork11:32:27 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Its no different than politicians offering tax breaks for votes

yeah...um...bad argument :) that doesnt put the beos team in a good light

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Crypto Kong11:32:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Haha yeah i thought that as i re read it lol

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Alex M - clockwork11:32:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i'd rather keep standard politics behaviour out of bts

OU

Once Uponatime11:32:44 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

No, they are headless sheep that run after free tokens

The whales (the only ones with enough voting power to influence bts) are headless sheep? You're kidding, right?

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Alex M - clockwork11:32:55 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

The whales (the only ones with enough voting power to influence bts) are headless sheep? You're kidding, right?

he is

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Alex M - clockwork11:33:21 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

then again, the non-whales which MIGHT ran after free tokens

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Alex M - clockwork11:33:32 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

are about 70% of teh voting stake

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Alex M - clockwork11:33:38 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(just currently not voting)

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Alex M - clockwork11:33:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so

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Alex M - clockwork11:33:51 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

argument still stands

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Alex M - clockwork11:33:58 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as I said

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Alex M - clockwork11:34:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

comes down to how you feel about the individuals

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Crypto Kong11:34:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I personally dont see it affecting the voting weights much, most who get involved with rainfall will already proxy michael

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Crypto Kong11:34:44 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think its more about keeping those who dont support them out of any decision making on beos

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Once Uponatime11:35:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

are about 70% of teh voting stake

I think you will find that small holders of bitshares will not be interested in participating in the rainfall. But I guess we will see.

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funkit11:35:43 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I think its more about keeping those who dont support them out of any decision making on beos

They already do by denyuing me access to their "official" channel.

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Alex M - clockwork11:36:02 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

I think you will find that small holders of bitshares will not be interested in participating in the rainfall. But I guess we will see.

most likely...just saying that there's strength in numbers

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Crypto Kong11:36:03 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Im talking bout on chain voting on beos

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Alex M - clockwork11:36:16 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and that small holders represent 70-80% of the stake

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Once Uponatime11:37:42 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

They already do by denyuing me access to their "official" channel.

You could rectify that VERY easily by supporting their access in this channel.

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Crypto Kong11:38:57 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@funkit genuine question. In say a years time, non of your concerns pan out. Everything works fine, the bitshares voting balance is not massively distorted, changes are voted in by the community including various other proxies, value has been added to bitshares via beos. Would you hold your hands up and say "you know what guys i was wrong" and support the project?

F

funkit11:42:56 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

You could rectify that VERY easily by supporting their access in this channel.

So the ad hominem attacks could continue? And to promote an separate entity? Why not let the DOGE community take over as well? The Arise and BCL ordeal learned me certain individuals only have their own interest in mind. And this is another spin on just that. In fact the similarities to Bitcoin Latina is so striking, it looks to be forged by John Gotts himself.

冬

冬唯11:50:41 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Once Uponatime11:57:24 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

So the ad hominem attacks could continue? And to promote an separate entity? Why not let the DOGE community take over as well? The Arise and BCL ordeal learned me certain individuals only have their own interest in mind. And this is another spin on just that. In fact the similarities to Bitcoin Latina is so striking, it looks to be forged by John Gotts himself.

Stan, Michael, Dan Notestein and I re original and founding members of bitshares and large bitshares holders. We are not a competing community and what we do is for bringing value to bitshares. It really is time for you to take the chip off your shoulder.

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funkit12:00:38 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well. they are promoting a EOS clone now. Vaya con dios.

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Once Uponatime12:04:49 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Well. they are promoting a EOS clone now. Vaya con dios.

Yes, for the purpose of bringing value to bitshares. We are not going anywhere.

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R12:05:17 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

what about "dead" votes (lost keys, dead people, etc)? do we know how many votes proxies have from accounts with activity more than year ago (for example)?

There's a bsip for decaying votes 👍

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R12:06:57 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Because it gives a foreign entity access to mission critical decissions in bitshares.

That's the same for every voter, lol

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Alex M - clockwork12:07:21 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

There's a bsip for decaying votes 👍

we need to push that again

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R12:09:42 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

we need to push that again

Someone from ppy was messaging me about improving the bsip yesterday, I think it's important to implement.

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Once Uponatime12:11:18 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Someone from ppy was messaging me about improving the bsip yesterday, I think it's important to implement.

👍

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R12:11:24 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

BitBTC is much worse than bitUSD/CNY, as it is much much more volatile and prone to moon/die really quickly.

What do you think of the norns in comparison to these volatile bitassets?

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Alex M - clockwork12:12:22 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Someone from ppy was messaging me about improving the bsip yesterday, I think it's important to implement.

Same here

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Alex M - clockwork12:12:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Jerry thinks so too

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:12:42 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

What do you think of the norns in comparison to these volatile bitassets?

I've said about the norns. What value do they fluctuate around? .95-1.05 BTS? Or some other value?

JB

Jonathan Bahai12:12:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Someone from ppy was messaging me about improving the bsip yesterday, I think it's important to implement.

It's being implemented in peerplays.. it's part of the GPOS update.

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Alex M - clockwork12:13:04 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@ryanRfox can we get a move on that?

БМ

Богдан Мишин12:14:01 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

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R12:14:08 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

I've said about the norns. What value do they fluctuate around? .95-1.05 BTS? Or some other value?

Didn't see what you said last time, yeah 5.303% amplitude. Got 6 feeds, need more 👍

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:14:38 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Didn't see what you said last time, yeah 5.303% amplitude. Got 6 feeds, need more 👍

Around which value?

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R12:15:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

Around which value?

1 bts. No external reference asset, just bts and the algorithm.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:21:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well, then it is stable in bts terms. Problem is that there is no economic cycle behind those fluctuations. So while they might be an interesting thing to study, economically the Norns are sort of a mind game, or maybe even a cargo cult (depending on where you stand). Problem with them is that a trade requires two parties. :>

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:21:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't see how that works in case of the norns?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:23:13 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I mean the idea behind them is elegant, but in the end, isn't it the same as relying on someone just giving you money?

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R12:26:24 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Indeed trade partners are required so max trough to peak oscillation benefits may not be realized by all/many, they're largely an experiment, there's not just the price change that could attract people though, by buying norns you're taking 2x your bts out of liquidity which could interest whales. There's many ways of using these not just buying the trough and settling the peak. Could be used in other bitassets too 👌

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R12:30:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

I mean the idea behind them is elegant, but in the end, isn't it the same as relying on someone just giving you money?

To a degree, yeah. If you're a shorter you can take bts out of someone's hands for potentially weeks and try to make more than the fluctuating difference by trading on a less liquid exchange

R

R12:30:52 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Similarly if you short you'll have voting power from the collateral and bought bts where as the other party has no vote power

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:30:55 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Less liquid than the norns?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca12:31:15 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is someone making a market on them?

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R12:31:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

Is someone making a market on them?

Still pre-activation, on 6 feeds need 7+.

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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:55:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lmfao. SPoofed the idea but missed the payload..

ЯР

Ярослав Русаков12:57:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

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R13:19:27 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

lmfao. SPoofed the idea but missed the payload..

What do you mean?

J

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom13:46:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

What do you mean?

Hell, I could have been refering to BEOS, but then that would have been fictional...

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Alex M - clockwork13:50:15 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

better name than pEOS at least

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:50:29 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

pEOS?

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:50:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

privacy eos or something

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:50:44 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

D:

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:50:45 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

new initiative

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:50:57 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

EOS is a greek word

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:50:59 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

means Dawn

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:51:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

which is why Dawn was the code name for it

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:51:27 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BEOS means nothing

RW

Robert Walker13:51:32 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi!

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:51:34 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

PEOS is also a greek word

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:51:38 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

means penis

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:51:54 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so yeah...they got lucky there :D

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funkit13:52:28 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Lol...

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Dima BLCKCHND13:53:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

PEOS is also a greek word

lol

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funkit13:54:22 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have like EOS force and no idea what it is supposed to do. Except some kind of mining.

AM

Alex M - clockwork13:54:42 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

only use of my EOS account is for testing teh beet trollbox

F

funkit13:56:38 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have some investments in DAPPS which will turn into a loss because most DAPPS can't do shit except distribute stupid tokens that lose their value faster than they materialise.

F

funkit13:57:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Still it's fun to lose money on colorful dapps.

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Stefan13:57:52 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How many are not betting related?

F

funkit13:58:07 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Like one or two?

D

Dima BLCKCHND14:07:31 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

How many are not betting related?

gl launches full decentralized p2p poker though

F

funkit14:07:37 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

After all, I find the economical model flawed without real skin in the game. It is simply just too tempting to give away tokens without a solid business plan and funds at stake.

S

Stefan14:07:49 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

gl launches full decentralized p2p poker though

Who is GL?

D

Dima BLCKCHND14:08:04 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Who is GL? GrapheneLab?

Graphene lab

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Stefan14:08:28 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Graphene lab

How did they solve the issue with the smart contracts being dynamic? Or is that an assumption to be ok?

D

Dima BLCKCHND14:08:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

How did they solve the issue with the smart contracts being dynamic? Or is that an assumption to be ok?

https://t.me/PokerChained

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Stefan14:09:39 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

https://t.me/PokerChained

Thx

AM

Alex M - clockwork14:11:14 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

FYI : As a preventative measure against the scam proposals going around, the BitShares Committee has increased the account_update operation fee by 0.00001 BTS. The effect is negligible but due to the way proposals are created and evaluated (fee for operation set in advance and included in the proposal) even if any of the EXISTING scam proposal are approved, they will now fail to execute. As a further measure to disincentivise the attacker recreating the proposals again, we have also increased the create proposal fee to 5 BTS (1 BTS after LTM). This will be temporary in place until reference UI implements a cleaner and friendlier way of displaying proposal contents and effects (Should be in next release).

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R14:12:22 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

FYI : As a preventative measure against the scam proposals going around, the BitShares Committee has increased the account_update operation fee by 0.00001 BTS. The effect is negligible but due to the way proposals are created and evaluated (fee for operation set in advance and included in the proposal) even if any of the EXISTING scam proposals are approved, they will now fail to execute due to insufficient fees. As a further measure to disincentivise the attacker recreating the proposals again, we have also increased the create proposal fee to 5 BTS (1 BTS after LTM). This will be temporary in place until reference UI implements a cleaner and friendlier way of displaying proposal contents and effects (Should be in next release).

That's a pretty smart work around 👍

AM

Alex M - clockwork14:12:35 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

That's a pretty smart work around 👍

well..best we coudl do

F

funkit14:13:18 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Good.

B

Bangzi14:14:25 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👍

D

Dariia14:18:46 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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OU

Once Uponatime14:56:24 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

Hell, I could have been refering to BEOS, but then that would have been fictional...

Isn't your identity fictional? Stan Larimer and Dan Notestein, the brains behind BEOS, are the ones who must face SEC and other regulatory scrutiny, not you. And yet you stay fictional, while their real names and locations are well know.

OU

Once Uponatime14:57:23 - 28 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That is why they must be careful in what they publish publicly. Can youpossibly understand that?