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Stefan12:10:41 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

then again we are spending more than we used to

@cronicus BitShares blockchain has allocated (through voting) over 1.5million USD in BTS for development in 2019

Alex M - clockwork12:11:00 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

@cronicus BitShares blockchain has allocated (through voting) over 1.5million USD in BTS for development in 2019

and hopefully another ~500k for UI

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🌚12:12:31 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

and hopefully another ~500k for UI

Which is important thing. (!sarcasm)

Alex M - clockwork12:13:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it did last year....the usage of the word hopefully is because technically it has not been voted in yet

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🌚12:13:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

@cronicus BitShares blockchain has allocated (through voting) over 1.5million USD in BTS for development in 2019

The block production time equals to 2seconds, doesn’t it?

Alex M - clockwork12:13:44 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

3 seconds

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🌚12:13:59 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks

Alex M - clockwork12:15:04 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

in total, BitShares budgets ~ 4.8m USD in total annually for all workers + block rewards

Alex M - clockwork12:15:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

at current bts price

Stefan12:16:01 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cronicus

Which is important thing. (!sarcasm)

Trader targeted, modern and responsive UI in the making

Alex M - clockwork12:16:53 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

this includes core dev, ui dev, mobile wallets, legal representation, documentation, marketing,websites and infrastructure

Stefan12:16:56 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sorry for dumping information on you, I guess we are ourselves excited :)

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🌚12:18:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Simple math suggests that if there are 31,557,660 seconds in 1year, and it takes 3 seconds to produce a block than 10,519,200 blocks are produced annually.

Alex M - clockwork12:18:13 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

Alex M - clockwork12:18:24 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we are in block 34m or so

R12:18:27 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

at current bts price

At peak it was a huge fund, when we pass the last ath we have more funding than most icos without the regulatory headaches.

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🌚12:18:31 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

With 1bts reward per block it is 10,519,200 bts in rewards

Alex M - clockwork12:18:40 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

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🌚12:19:27 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Which is 420 k usd

Alex M - clockwork12:19:31 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

split amongst the number of witnesses

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🌚12:19:41 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not so devastating)

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🌚12:19:51 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

split amongst the number of witnesses

27 of them?

Alex M - clockwork12:20:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

25 right now

Alex M - clockwork12:20:08 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it varies

Alex M - clockwork12:20:13 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dependign on votes

Alex M - clockwork12:21:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

unlike other DPoS chains , BitShares witnesses are not overpaid and are expected to work for their rewards

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Kristin Low12:43:02 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cough, EOS, cough.

Kristin Low12:43:44 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

in total, BitShares budgets ~ 4.8m USD in total annually for all workers + block rewards

That's a great way to put it

Wehrrr12:48:32 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well what are witnesses doing though? Yeah even steem witnesses are probably overpaid but at least we can see them do something and if not the smart people would just unvote then

Alex M - clockwork12:49:11 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you mean apart from running the network?

Grace12:49:33 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks have a blessed day

Wehrrr12:50:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

you mean apart from running the network?

Yeah

Alex M - clockwork12:50:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they run and maintain active and backup nodes for mainnet, nodes for testnet and help test new core releases, at least one or more API / ES nodes each, and feed most of the smartassets prices

Wehrrr12:50:47 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That's why I think on steem it's more competitive because of it

Alex M - clockwork12:51:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

why because they re overpaid, buy votes and flyr aroudn conferences to campaign?

Stefan12:51:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

they run and maintain active and backup nodes for mainnet, nodes for testnet and help test new core releases, at least one or more API / ES nodes each, and feed most of the smartassets prices

plus price feeding for the bitassets, and basically on-call all the time if something urgent would happen (last chain halt was resolved within 2hours iirc)

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🌚12:51:11 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

they run and maintain active and backup nodes for mainnet, nodes for testnet and help test new core releases, at least one or more API / ES nodes each, and feed most of the smartassets prices

Are you referring to Steem witnesses?

Alex M - clockwork12:51:23 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no...bitshares witnesses

Thecryptor12:51:48 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Anything in the menus from clicking buttons within the chart or from right clicking?

I mean lines on charts made by me, formations, text notes, indicators etc. How to keep it saved after closing the application?

Alex M - clockwork12:51:59 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i'm glad there is no vote buying on bitshares

Alex M - clockwork12:52:09 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not the kidn of competition i want to see

Alex M - clockwork12:52:29 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

youre runnign and securing a network dealing in millions of other peoples money every day

Alex M - clockwork12:52:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its not a popularity contest

funkit12:54:53 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Steemit even had threats of violence from one of the witnesses who profits max from bid bots.

R12:55:36 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i'm glad there is no vote buying on bitshares

That we know of, otc there could be.

Stefan12:55:43 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Steemit even had threats of violence from one of the witnesses who profits max from bid bots.

Oh, wow

Stefan12:56:02 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

That we know of, otc there could be.

Witness pay is not lucrative enough to do shady deals with actual money flow IMO

Wehrrr12:56:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Steemit even had threats of violence from one of the witnesses who profits max from bid bots.

Well it actually is a little bit.

R12:56:31 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Steemit even had threats of violence from one of the witnesses who profits max from bid bots.

That's more reason for just disabling vote delegation entirely on steem, it'll be interesting to see if they copy wls by doing this in the future.

Wehrrr12:56:34 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Steemit even had threats of violence from one of the witnesses who profits max from bid bots.

Who?

funkit12:57:02 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Fyrst-witness

funkit12:57:23 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I got caught in the cross fire

Alex M - clockwork12:58:13 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Witness pay is not lucrative enough to do shady deals with actual money flow IMO

this...very unlikely

R12:58:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Witness pay is not lucrative enough to do shady deals with actual money flow IMO

Perhaps not monetary payment, but like a rub each others back kinda deal is probable. Vote for witness x for wp/mpa-feed support, etc.

Alex M - clockwork12:58:56 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oh yeah...maybe

Stefan12:59:03 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Perhaps not monetary payment, but like a rub each others back kinda deal is probable. Vote for witness x for wp/mpa-feed support, etc.

Well, at the end you can also call those business deals 😊

R12:59:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah true

Alex M - clockwork12:59:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i mean...you vote for witnesses that provide hertz feeds no?

Alex M - clockwork12:59:19 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you made it sound really shady :P

R12:59:29 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i mean...you vote for witnesses that provide hertz feeds no?

Yeah, I don't vote for those who don't support them 😂

R13:00:35 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In all seriousness its very difficult to get feed support for 'private' mpa by South East Asia witnesses, hertz has full price feed script support but not one Chinese feed

funkit13:01:53 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bangzi is cooperative and has no problems with english.

R13:01:55 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That did influence the new MPA's though - global support for Usd isn't realistic.

R13:06:36 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

bangzi is cooperative and has no problems with english.

Perhaps, but I'm not confident given unacknowledged open calls for feed producers on bitsharestalk. I'll write directly to his witness thread.

R13:07:39 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not confident in hertz adoption taking off though, very difficult to bootstrap new mpa markets especially when people are spooked by global settlement & bear market.

Wehrrr13:08:04 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Fyrst-witness

Fyrst is stupid and shouldn't even be witness

funkit13:08:14 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I havent seen him in a while. At least 14 days

funkit13:08:34 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Werhhh

Fyrst is stupid and shouldn't even be witness

2nd that

COINLEND13:25:58 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi guys, anybody of you know a loan shark?

funkit13:28:49 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Around here we call him tax man

Stefan13:54:08 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello dear everyone, the new UI worker is up for voting, please consider it in your next voting update. Nevertheless, the development is not stopped and merely delayed. Even though there is lack of funds at the moment I would be very happy for any testers of the new release such that I can pursue pushing it live https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/2436

Alfredo Garcia13:59:00 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

voted, thanks for the reminder

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Digital Lucife®14:20:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

voted, thanks for the reminder

Please consider voting for Faucet if you havent by now. Actually only worker that is profitable for the chain and still missing 30M votes asking for just 4k USD... I dont know what is wrong with our proxies/stake-holders

Alfredo Garcia14:39:12 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

agree and voted

Digital Lucife®14:45:59 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Much appreciated! Hopefully others will respectfully do the same

fav15:25:00 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

voted for xanoxt and bitshares-ui worker

Alex M - clockwork15:26:09 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

voted for xanoxt and bitshares-ui worker

👍

Alex M - clockwork15:39:47 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@favdesy

fav15:41:07 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

just cuz he's black

fav15:41:21 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kidding ofc. fixed it, autocorrect

Alex M - clockwork15:45:26 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still funny though :P

Dexy Bitshares16:08:59 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How does the bitshares-ui team choose which issues to respond to, which ones don't? Stefan told me to create this issue and I did it 19 days ago: https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/2422 Still no reaction. abitmore created this issue with the SAME bug 10 days after me: https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/2437 He got an answer immediately.

Dexy Bitshares16:09:57 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Please do an issue :)

Dexy Bitshares16:09:57 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is it possible to make bithares-ui work in private mode?

Alex M - clockwork16:13:41 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dice roll :)

Alex M - clockwork16:14:03 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

j/k

Alex M - clockwork16:14:41 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

in all seriousness we're going through all the issues again, have had a team change, been underfunded and launching the updated worker

Alex M - clockwork16:14:49 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so apologies :)

Alex M - clockwork16:15:58 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as to why Abit's was responded to, probably because the title seemed quite ominous "Not loading in Firefox" sounds critical

Alex M - clockwork16:16:09 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TOR less so

Alex M - clockwork16:17:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

fwiw, I saw your issue and started a discussion about switching to an abastracted in-mem data store so that the UI works even in private mode and using IDB for persistence only

Alex M - clockwork16:17:29 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

just didnt have a chance to reply to it

Alex M - clockwork16:17:43 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(you are right btw...it is the indexed db dependency)

funkit16:18:17 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There is an issue in Firefox. I tried today and it would not load.

Alex M - clockwork16:18:27 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

There is an issue in Firefox. I tried today and it would not load.

private mode?

funkit16:18:38 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No, regular

Alex M - clockwork16:18:44 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thats probably different then

Alex M - clockwork16:18:52 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the one above is def indexeddb related

funkit16:19:03 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It fails to initialize

R16:19:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

The worker proposal went unfunded during this time, hence the new worker proposal to give your issue the time it deserves 👍

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Once Uponatime17:18:18 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Stan Larimer and Michelx have asked me to convey their wishes to be readmitted to this channel. All those in favor?

funkit17:20:13 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

With the ad hominem attitude: NO

Once Uponatime17:30:13 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

With the ad hominem attitude: NO

Anyone else?

Ricko17:30:29 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is every ICO and crypto now considered as a shitcoin? It sure seems so - www.shitcoinfrenzy.com

Ricko17:30:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is every ICO and crypto now considered as a shitcoin? It sure seems so - www.shitcoinfrenzy.com

Once Uponatime17:32:59 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Stefan

Once Uponatime17:33:43 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Clockwork?

Jonathan Bahai17:34:18 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Anyone else?

I am in favor... the reasons in the past have past.

Crypto Kong17:37:34 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i also am in favour, hopefully we can all be respectful to each other and move on from past issues

funkit17:38:00 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They broke off with the intent of dividing, let them sit where they are. Everyone knows it is to shill some company in a tax haven which is centrally governed. And goes against everything I like about bitshares.

Crypto Kong17:39:48 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you know bitshares is centrally governed right?

Brosephous17:40:01 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I am in favor I think they do good work

Brosephous17:40:43 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sometimes it's a home run, sometimes strike out. At least they work hard trying

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom17:43:05 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

👆👆👆👆

Dexy Bitshares17:47:55 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

fwiw, I saw your issue and started a discussion about switching to an abastracted in-mem data store so that the UI works even in private mode and using IDB for persistence only

tnx so much for fast answer. looking forward to fixing. very important functionality.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca17:52:07 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

youre runnign and securing a network dealing in millions of other peoples money every day

Yeah, we weren't on big eos events, and we're on 130ish place in EOS (I mean Blockchained witness). :D

funkit17:53:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

Crypto Kong17:53:44 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

I dont see any problem with whats written here, can you explain what your issue is?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca17:53:56 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

voted for xanoxt and bitshares-ui worker

Appreciated! :D

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca17:54:33 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

@favdesu forums "vote commie: xanoxt (rudex)" just because he's russian?

Blockchain is the soviet government, at least according to Lenin. :D

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom17:55:16 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I dont see any problem with whats written here, can you explain what your issue is?

it's self explanatory...

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca17:55:17 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But from the same angle communism is just a subset of cybernetics.

Crypto Kong17:55:28 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

it's self explanatory...

its not

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca17:56:52 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It will be quite a long time untill eos is robust and efficient enough to run software of complexity similar to what Bitshares does cheaply enough.

Crypto Kong17:56:53 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

anyway... as much as i would love to see stan and michael here... its quite clear by the couple of responses already that by them coming back arguments will start again

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca17:57:15 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Another thing is, I would prefer to keep value and arbitrary code execution on separate chains.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca17:57:44 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Even with some way to hook smart contract execution to the chain that holds value.

Stefan18:00:26 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Stan Larimer and Michelx have asked me to convey their wishes to be readmitted to this channel. All those in favor?

Both sides here know where the edges of tension are. Those can and should be respected and not touched in this channel otherwise it will simply escalate. While this feels like censorship I see it necessary. I have allowed other people to come back into this channel provided they respect to not repeat what has lead to the ban. With that in mind I'd be in favor of having them back.

Crypto Kong18:03:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah probably some basic rules needed

funkit18:07:51 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well, I will not shut up. And I'm going to hammer the message through. The leeching of vote power to a different chain is a blow to the bitshares ecosystem which is fragile enough as it is.

Crypto Kong18:08:50 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

how is it leeching?

Crypto Kong18:09:05 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you dont have to give them your vote power

Crypto Kong18:09:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you dont have to use beos

Crypto Kong18:09:19 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you can stick with bitshares and never touch beos

funkit18:09:49 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You are not going to change my mind, young man.

Crypto Kong18:10:27 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

im not trying to change your mind, i understand your position, im just trying to understand your reasoning

funkit18:11:14 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You don't need to understand anything.

Crypto Kong18:11:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

why make a point that makes no sense and not explain yourself lol

Crypto Kong18:12:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

wouldnt it be easier to just say that you dont like them rather than coming out with bullshit lol

funkit18:26:51 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Some weeks ago, Stefan had to put out a plea to get a certain worker voted in in order to get paid. With the normal power balance, it was fairly easy. No help from michael, I might add since they are in question. The BEOS scam is leaching on a fragile structure. And we dont need that. BEOS is a scam designed to shake the power structure. Now say bullshit one more time.

Fabian Schuh18:29:12 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Stan Larimer and Michelx have asked me to convey their wishes to be readmitted to this channel. All those in favor?

i dont mind .. i didnt even know they were 'banned' and theought they just left ... As long as everyone plays by the rules, i am fine

Fabian Schuh18:31:55 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Well, I will not shut up. And I'm going to hammer the message through. The leeching of vote power to a different chain is a blow to the bitshares ecosystem which is fragile enough as it is.

while i agree with your concern, i still believe that an everyone involved should be able to speak like an adult.

funkit18:32:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Just to recieve a meme and a bible quote? No thanks.

Fabian Schuh18:32:40 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

this pyramid helps people understand what we are after: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem to clarify, we want to be more to the top than to the bottom of the pyramid

funkit18:35:45 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Want more, Fabian?

Fabian Schuh18:37:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

to me, he is pointing something out to you. not sure where this is a personal attack ..

Fabian Schuh18:37:39 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still, i would like to see this channel be bitshares-only

Fabian Schuh18:38:01 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

else we end up with OL, CB, GDEx and all sorts of other topics that are not the core topic in here ...

Fabian Schuh18:38:31 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(i dont like to see shilling of any project that is not bitshares itself or related to an approved worker)

Fabian Schuh18:38:43 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

even advertising unapproved workers is on an edge imho

Fabian Schuh18:39:05 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but then, i dont heavily moderate in here

funkit18:39:31 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

To me it is unprecedented that one chain votees on the other. It's like inviting the board of microsoft to do the general assembly in Apple.

Fabian Schuh18:40:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

To me it is unprecedented that one chain votees on the other. It's like inviting the board of microsoft to do the general assembly in Apple.

i agree with that .. but i distinguish between liking what people do and liking who people are

Fabian Schuh18:41:11 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

just because i disagree with someones sentiment doesnt make me dislike thebperson per se (and vise versa)

Fabian Schuh18:41:46 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

fun thing about being a decentralized community: everyone has their own rules ..

Fabian Schuh18:42:11 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that said, @funkit i am not trying to convince you of anything .. just pointing out how ibsee things

Crypto Kong18:43:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I dont understand this "one chain votes on the other" thing, you temporarily proxy to the michael and stan in order to receive beos coins right?

Crypto Kong18:43:31 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i dont see the problem with that

funkit18:44:09 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

i agree with that .. but i distinguish between liking what people do and liking who people are

I hear you. And I'm probably the hot head around here.

funkit18:45:24 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But isn't it time to be the dex, not the bible class? I mean, from a marketing perspective it is the worst you can start off with.

Fabian Schuh18:45:42 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

But isn't it time to be the dex, not the bible class? I mean, from a marketing perspective it is the worst you can start off with.

no bible lessons here, please

Crypto Kong18:45:46 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i do agree that bible stuff should be kept out of here

Crypto Kong18:45:58 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as should all religion

Fabian Schuh18:46:01 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

same with churches of any kind

Crypto Kong18:46:16 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

unless bitshares is considered a religion?

Crypto Kong18:46:24 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

are we bitshares disciples?

Fabian Schuh18:46:34 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

neither is this channel for discussions about trials of any ico/project

Fabian Schuh18:47:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

else, we end up with price talk about OBIT, BRIDGEcoin and who know what else

Once Uponatime18:55:42 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

still, i would like to see this channel be bitshares-only

It is a HUGE sharedrop on bithares holders who wish to prticipate. Very bitshares related i would say.

funkit18:56:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is not a share drop, It is a theft of the bitshares soul.

Stefan18:56:58 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

But isn't it time to be the dex, not the bible class? I mean, from a marketing perspective it is the worst you can start off with.

That is what I tried to say above. In the event of readmission I'd expect both parties to respectful and not being the tension loaded topics in here. As to BEOS, no facts are known and all is fiction, as such I'd say what I'd say to any other project in that stage. Be cautious, don't shill and wait for facts

Brosephous18:57:08 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So Stefan had to lobby some proxies to ge it passed? The horror of it all

Brosephous18:57:42 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Isn't that precisely why bitshares is set up this way?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca18:57:55 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

unless bitshares is considered a religion?

In Russian community Bitshares is definitely a religion. :D

Stefan18:58:45 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I happily refer to @officialbeos at that point

Brosephous18:59:32 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I happily refer to @officialbeos at that point

Seems the community oriented thing to do

funkit19:01:24 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

In Russian community Bitshares is definitely a religion. :D

Maybe that's why I push more and more your way? I love the things you have done so far.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca19:01:39 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca19:01:46 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks!

Stefan19:04:45 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Machupichuchoochoo

Isn't that precisely why bitshares is set up this way?

You never know if a proxy overlooked or is actually against a proposal. So communication is necessary if there is no public information available. To any proxy out there: feel free to tell me if I'm annoying when asking for an opinion. Lately it's hard to keep up thoroughly

Stefan19:05:41 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

You never know if a proxy overlooked or is actually against a proposal. So communication is necessary if there is no public information available. To any proxy out there: Feel free to tell me if I'm annoying when asking for an opinion. Lately it's hard to keep up thoroughly

Also, friggin' vote for the reference faucet because it's make you (the chain) money 😁

Crypto Kong19:07:34 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Will the voting website have a page built into the dex?

Stefan19:08:18 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Will the voting website have a page built into the dex?

What voting website?

Crypto Kong19:08:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I thought ypu were building one lol

Stefan19:09:41 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Then I don't understand: a website has a page in the DEX? You mean a link to it in the reference UI? Referring to http://bitsharesvotes.com?

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Alex M - clockwork19:13:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Also, friggin' vote for the reference faucet because it's making you (the chain) money Anyone opposed, please come up with alternate solution

infrastructure one too

Crypto Kong19:24:20 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Then I don't understand: a website has a page in the DEX? You mean a link to it in the reference UI? Referring to http://bitsharesvotes.com?

Yeah something like that

Crypto Kong19:24:50 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I dont really know what im asking to be honest ignore me lol

Gabriel Molnar19:42:27 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello community, I have a question regarding my acces to my BTS. I wrote down my password and a long adress or something with PSJJ... more than a year ago and it seems that the platform changed. How can I acces my BTS now?

funkit19:43:57 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's probably P5JJ... Not PS

Gabriel Molnar19:44:37 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes it is, but I copy-paste it in the account name field on version 2.0

Gabriel Molnar19:44:55 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and it does not recognise it as a name

funkit19:45:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You need the name of the account and that string of scrambled letters and log in as a cloud type account.

funkit19:46:13 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If it dont recognise the name, it is the wrong one.

Gabriel Molnar19:47:41 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but it seems that I have no account name, only the string and a password

Gabriel Molnar19:48:22 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and it asks for the account name and a password

funkit19:49:26 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes, thats under cloud type. There is also a local type of account where the keys are stored inside a file.

Stefan19:49:51 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Gabriel Molnar

You can recreate the public key with the private key and look up the account name with your public key

Stefan19:50:05 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyways, @btswallethelp

Gabriel Molnar19:51:03 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thank you Stefan, I'll give it a look

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George20:06:17 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I just wanna say stay strong against them and I support you.

funkit20:06:50 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thank you.

Once Uponatime20:49:24 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ironandcopper

I just wanna say stay strong against them and I support you.

Yes, thank you George. I like people of strong convictions like you 😍

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George20:53:14 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Yes, thank you George. I like people of strong convictions like you 😍

I can assure you I have strong convictions against scammers and their rats, shilling army

Once Uponatime21:00:12 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ironandcopper

I can assure you I have strong convictions against scammers and their rats like you, shilling army

Thanks for your kind words.

Crypto Kong21:04:46 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lol

Crypto Kong21:05:38 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

this pyramid helps people understand what we are after: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem to clarify, we want to be more to the top than to the bottom of the pyramid

@ironandcopper coming in strong at bottom of the pryramid lol

Stefan21:09:55 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ironandcopper

I can assure you I have strong convictions against scammers and their rats like you, shilling army

Namecalling is really not necessary George

Alex M - clockwork21:10:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Stan Larimer and Michelx have asked me to convey their wishes to be readmitted to this channel. All those in favor?

I am fine with it. We occasionally have very different opinions on certain matters but I'm sure we can all keep it civil.

Alex M - clockwork21:10:25 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as long as ANY religion stays out of here

Alex M - clockwork21:11:51 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We have people from all around the world coming here from various different religions. This should stay BitShares only like Fabian said.

Alex M - clockwork21:12:44 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And any project-specific discussion is redirected to the appropriate group

Alex M - clockwork21:14:10 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

speaking of which

Alex M - clockwork21:14:14 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@beetapp

Alex M - clockwork21:14:38 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it's time to let people ask more details about Beet. So join us there

Once Uponatime21:18:57 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Namecalling is really not necessary George

You never know. It might be necessary for him 😊

George21:21:05 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

And any project-specific discussion is redirected to the appropriate group

Scammers don’t discuss it or offer shady things directly and deliberately anymore, now they are starting random conversations in a casual way and indirectly mentioning shady scam things like they are naturally part of that conversation, so it’s like indirect casual shilling

Alex M - clockwork21:21:46 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

well...this is not kindergarten

Alex M - clockwork21:22:45 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that refers to a) everyone stop acting like little kids b) no hand-holding...if you fall for a scam...well ...tough

nutela21:48:43 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dmantis

You can contact mrkt.cash guys for that. They have run BTS p2p cash service in Russia for more than a year

Oh amazing, I will!

Once Uponatime22:57:06 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

well...this is not kindergarten

I do think we need a kindergarten channel. George? Funkit?

Stefan22:58:23 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

I do think we need a kindergarten channel. George? Funkit?

Also, provoking is not better than namecalling

Once Uponatime23:01:16 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I guess you are right. i will stop. Unless provoked again for no reason. :-)

Cryptick Cryptick23:25:12 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

To me it seems like the channel is more productive when there is peace here, and we try to focus on real issues. Just the mention of bringing people back has stirred up a lot of discussion. Maybe some things like oil and water should remain seperate.

Cryptick Cryptick23:26:49 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Of course, this is telegram and it is possible to create another channel. In the long term, bringing all the community together might be good.

Cryptick Cryptick23:29:29 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I really would like to see a telegram channel that has some experienced people in it, is heavily moderated, and is especially welcoming to new people. By Heavily moderated I mean completely safe for work, and focused on simple Newbie Questions with people that really love to answer those questions. While we do ok here, much of this discussion is expert level.

Gabriel23:57:53 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BlockTrades down again ?

Gabriel23:58:53 - 13 Feb 2019 [UTC]

had this issue before .... reliability eh ?

Cryptick Cryptick00:50:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyone out there want to take a guess, how many BTS accounts are there out there have have more than $10 USD (250 BTS)?

Cryptick Cryptick00:50:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

23,643

Cryptick Cryptick00:53:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you look for all accounts with more than $1 of BTS (25BTS); that is 38,610... (Give or take a few)

Cryptick Cryptick00:54:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And I don't know what definition of a whale is but if it is more than $100,000 that would 82 accounts.

Cryptick Cryptick00:55:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

These are only accounts on the decentralized excahnge, does not include account on the centralized excahnges.

Cryptick Cryptick00:59:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If one is looking at an upper middle class accounts from $10,000 to $50,000 in BTS tokens. There are 355 with an average value of about $20,000.

Cryptick Cryptick01:00:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Just some numers that one can find when you look at an auditable open blockchain...

Kristin Low01:01:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That's amazing!

Kristin Low01:01:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks for putting that together

Kristin Low01:01:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Pretty impressive actually

Cryptick Cryptick01:01:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you look at accounts that have more than 1 BTS there is 68,000 of them.

Kristin Low01:02:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dare say that trumps majority of other chains in terms of actual human usage.

Cryptick Cryptick01:02:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kristin_Low

Pretty impressive actually

Thanks. What else would we like to know from such a data set?

Cryptick Cryptick01:05:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kristin_Low

Dare say that trumps majority of other chains in terms of actual human usage.

Well now that should be noted this is balances. We know there are only about 15,000 accounts active on any day. And also know that Cryptobridge has multiple coins/customers accounts that do not contain BTS. A good portion of these accounts are not active.

Kristin Low01:25:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I want to do like a weekly tweet of these stats, it validates everything that everyone is doing.

John R01:37:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think BitShares will be fully mature when the amount of value held on chain (UIAs/SmartCoins) is equal or greater to the market cap of BTS. That will really showcase the strength and diversity this platform can provide.

Cryptick Cryptick01:38:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kristin_Low

I want to do like a weekly tweet of these stats, it validates everything that everyone is doing.

Very Interesting request. At the moment, these stats take a little too much work, but some of that may be automated. I will consider.

Cryptick Cryptick01:42:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

John R

As far as smartcoins right now there is like 13 million USD (about 8 in CNY and $5M in USD). Smartcoins will never be able to exceed the market cap of BTS as more usage will drive up BTS price. Now the market value of UIA or coins on teh platform that is a loaded question because it is hard to tell legitimate projects from junk projects. Some idea can be gottten by looking here though https://www.cryptofresh.com/assets

John R01:46:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

Well yes, but UIAs + Smartcoins could in theory far surpass the total value of BTS. Like the value of erc20 could surpass the value of Ethereum. While there are undoubtedly projects of low repute on-chain - I think most people know the quality ones. The idea that a few BTC whales could come through OpenLedger or CryptoBridge and load up 10,000 BTC for an instant or day is pretty fascinating.

George (Bitspark)01:55:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Stan Larimer and Michelx have asked me to convey their wishes to be readmitted to this channel. All those in favor?

i think this channel has been much more productive without them. Its simple though, this channel is called bitshares DEX, it is for discussing bitshares DEX, things outside of scope will be deleted and/or banned. If anyone incl them wanted to talk about things not related to bitshares DEX then this is not the channel for them.

George (Bitspark)01:55:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

Anyone out there want to take a guess, how many BTS accounts are there out there have have more than $10 USD (250 BTS)?

nice stats!

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tbone05:15:32 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

So how do you try to give a project instant credability?

i wouldn't have started with #44 on CMC. i would have started by saying it's the 3rd most active blockchain on the planet by daily transactions, the longest blockchain by number of blocks, #2 fastest and highest throughput blockchain (200x faster than Bitcoin, with at least 400x the throughput). i'd probably also mention that only a couple other blockchains are even in the same ballpark technologically, and none aside from Bitshares are both mature AND specifically designed for financial applications. i might also mention Bitshares has one of the most seasoned and active development teams, and has an extremely well-funded R&D team (i.e. EOS :). also, probably not a bad idea to first talk to people like Stan and Micahel who have pitched Bitshares countless times

Brosephous05:17:28 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i wouldn't have started with #44 on CMC. i would have started by saying it's the 3rd most active blockchain on the planet by daily transactions, the longest blockchain by number of blocks, #2 fastest and highest throughput blockchain (200x faster than Bitcoin, with at least 400x the throughput). i'd probably also mention that only a couple other blockchains are even in the same ballpark technologically, and none aside from Bitshares are both mature AND specifically designed for financial applications. i might also mention Bitshares has one of the most seasoned and active development teams, and has an extremely well-funded R&D team (i.e. EOS/B1 :). also, probably not a bad idea to first talk to people like Stan and Micahel who have pitched Bitshares countless times

Good point I bet they have pitched it many hundred or thousands of times over the years.

tbone05:20:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Bitshares is way too open for a bank. About 100 reasons why. Bank wants company X to sell them a thing that they can use to do something related to a blockchain

banks are going to adapt or die. that means becoming fiat onramps to crypto. i think Bitshares is actually quite a good platform to build such an onramp. as far as being too open, no one says Bitcoin is too open to build on, and that's what the majority of fiat onramps are based on

tbone05:21:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Machupichuchoochoo

Good point I bet they have pitched it many hundred or thousands of times over the years.

indeed

Digital Lucife®05:24:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

They are already becoming fiat onramps to crypto. Thailand is running fiat gateway over bank in Thailand and respectful cex that is btw approved by Ministry of Finance.

tbone05:27:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

They are already becoming fiat onramps to crypto. Thailand is running fiat gateway over bank in Thailand and respectful cex that is btw approved by Ministry of Finance.

thanks for pointing that out. wasn't there actually a Thai fiat onramp building on Bitshares specifically? is that what you're refering to?

Digital Lucife®05:28:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If we get listed and approved by Ministry of Finance and BX.in.th this year - we will just integrate same bank as gateway (fiat)

Digital Lucife®05:29:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

thanks for pointing that out. wasn't there actually a Thai fiat onramp building on Bitshares specifically? is that what you're refering to?

If we get listed by BX.in.th and approved by Ministry of Finance this year, yes we will be utilizing same gateway.

Digital Lucife®05:29:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I cant write a message ?

Digital Lucife®05:30:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We are preparing Thai translation of bitshares.org and wallet translation is ready at my github. First step this year is after all translation being done to setup a mini worker and get funds for listing of BTS on BX (Local CEX) and get us approved by same Ministry of Finance

Digital Lucife®05:35:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well you have reply on PM. Anyway more will be posted soon on forums so others will see

Digital Lucife®05:35:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

wtf

tbone05:35:53 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@murda_ra i'm having troubletoo

Digital Lucife®05:36:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nvm, you have the details, anyway update will be soon on forums so others can follow up from there

Digital Lucife®05:36:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We are doing Thai translate of bitshares.org atm (4 pages left to be done) and wallet json translate is available at my github. Once all ready, we gonna setup a mini worker to get listing on local CEX (BX.in.th where EOS is already approved/listed). If all good, we are applying for the same Gateway at Kasikorn bank for THB Fiat gateway.

tbone05:36:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

there

tbone05:37:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not sure what the problem was

Cryptick Cryptick06:24:42 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

i wouldn't have started with #44 on CMC. i would have started by saying it's the 3rd most active blockchain on the planet by daily transactions, the longest blockchain by number of blocks, #2 fastest and highest throughput blockchain (200x faster than Bitcoin, with at least 400x the throughput). i'd probably also mention that only a couple other blockchains are even in the same ballpark technologically, and none aside from Bitshares are both mature AND specifically designed for financial applications. i might also mention Bitshares has one of the most seasoned and active development teams, and has an extremely well-funded R&D team (i.e. EOS/B1 :). also, probably not a bad idea to first talk to people like Stan and Micahel who have pitched Bitshares countless times

Nice, Some good points there.

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Cryptick Cryptick06:29:17 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I took some notes...

Crypto Kong06:56:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

And I don't know what definition of a whale is but if it is more than $100,000 that would 82 accounts.

Wow thats incredibly lame

Crypto Kong06:57:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Need to find an incentive for whales to move to the dex and utilise BTS big time

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Crypto Kong06:58:55 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

John R

Very good/ interesting point

George (Bitspark)07:06:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Need to find an incentive for whales to move to the dex and utilise BTS big time

P2P lending for margin trading Dex assets 😎

chow stephen07:19:32 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

who can help me please to approve account on forum ? my account is davizoe

Crypto Kong07:34:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

P2P lending for margin trading Dex assets 😎

Yeah that would be really good. Also the ability to short any asset would allow market makers to stay neutral and would massively increase chances of attracting proffesional market makers

Crypto Kong07:35:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

From conversations I've had with a couple of very experienced market makers this has been brought up both times

tbone07:39:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

is to raise the percentage of the network cut instead , which is currently at (imho very low) 20%

i agree this is something that should be seriously considered

George (Bitspark)07:42:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Yeah that would be really good. Also the ability to short any asset would allow market makers to stay neutral and would massively increase chances of attracting proffesional market makers

yep the lending market ala bitfinex CFD style would allow shorting of any other asset incl BTS, so could hedge smartcoin collateral positions too

funkit07:48:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I would happily lend my coins. The problem however is what happens to the governance. That has to be addressed.

fav08:04:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

chow stephen

who can help me please to approve account on forum ? my account is davizoe

Send me a DM I'll approve later

Digital Lucife®08:06:28 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

chow stephen

who can help me please to approve account on forum ? my account is davizoe

Whats wrong with the funny email ?

Digital Lucife®08:06:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No real email no account in the future. Auto verification coming very soon.

Digital Lucife®08:09:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

chow stephen

who can help me please to approve account on forum ? my account is davizoe

Approved btw.

George (Bitspark)08:12:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

No real email no account in the future. Auto verification coming very soon.

When new forum ?

Digital Lucife®08:13:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Im doing by myself upgrade of bitsharestalk.org - new template and options up for discussion next week :)

fav08:14:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

When new forum ?

When beet login

Digital Lucife®08:14:04 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i had this issue with tbone early morning

Digital Lucife®08:14:07 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i cant reply

Alex M - clockwork08:14:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Soon (tm)

Digital Lucife®08:14:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Soon (tm)

++++

Moritz IGGod08:34:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Crypto Kong08:34:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I would happily lend my coins. The problem however is what happens to the governance. That has to be addressed.

There should be some kind of lending smart contract for each market where users can send their assets to a pool for fixed returns or something like that. The pool would then be the amount for each asset available to borrow.

Danielle Karen S08:35:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello

Andrey Semenov08:48:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello, anybody know user bts-index? He give wrong feedprice on INDEXSPX with diff>20%

funkit08:56:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Be careful with the private smart coins with one price feed and scant documentation.

fav09:14:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Like compound.finance, that's a great idea

Andrey Semenov09:16:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Be careful with the private smart coins with one price feed and scant documentation.

thanks, i understand risks using such actives

Dima BLCKCHND09:17:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is bitshareseurpe aim to be community faucet?

Alex M - clockwork09:18:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Is bitshareseurpe aim to be community faucet?

Always has been (as configured for use by reference UI)

Dima BLCKCHND09:19:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Always has been (as configured for use by reference UI)

Is it proxy to it self?

Dima BLCKCHND09:19:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Who are voting by this account?

Dima BLCKCHND09:20:01 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And why it voting on the first place

Dima BLCKCHND09:20:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@xeroc could you highlight it please

Alex M - clockwork09:33:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork09:33:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i see where the confusion arises

Alex M - clockwork09:34:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bitshareseurope the entity (ie bitshares.eu)

Alex M - clockwork09:34:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

operates teh faucet software

Alex M - clockwork09:34:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the actual community faucet

Alex M - clockwork09:34:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

uses account onboarding.bitshares.foundation to register accounts

Alex M - clockwork09:35:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

those set proxy-to-self and are non voting

Alex M - clockwork09:35:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bitshares.eu allows ANYONE to set up their own faucet/referral (for a percentage of the cashback rewards)

Alex M - clockwork09:36:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

those accoutns are registered through the bitshareseurope address

Dima BLCKCHND09:36:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

http://cryptofresh.com/u/bitshareseurope

Alex M - clockwork09:36:42 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah...those are not registered via wallet.bitshares.org default faucet

Dima BLCKCHND09:36:47 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

those set proxy-to-self and are non voting

Could you give me an a register account

Alex M - clockwork09:37:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so theyr'e covered by the bitshares.eu TOS

Alex M - clockwork09:37:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hold on

Alex M - clockwork09:37:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://develop.bitshares.org/#/account/onboarding.bitshares.foundation

Alex M - clockwork09:37:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@xeroc , someone is abusing teh faucet btw

Alex M - clockwork09:37:47 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

registerign random 5 consonant accounts

Alex M - clockwork09:38:07 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

https://develop.bitshares.org/#/account/onboarding.bitshares.foundation

this is the community faucet account

Alex M - clockwork09:38:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bitshareseurope is from peopel settign up referral systems through: https://bitshares.eu/referral/

Dima BLCKCHND09:38:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

this is the community faucet account

Ok got it

George (Bitspark)09:38:50 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

@xeroc , someone is abusing teh faucet btw

someone abused sparkdex faucet like this too, restrictions on account creation was needed to be enforced at greater level

Alex M - clockwork09:39:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

someone abused sparkdex faucet like this too, restrictions on account creation was needed to be enforced at greater level

i did some digging on teh account responsible but didnt get anywhere

Alex M - clockwork09:39:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

very old one though

Alex M - clockwork09:39:36 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

had to climb down a rabbitholw of linked accounts though

George (Bitspark)09:39:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not sure point of trying to drain a faucet funds tho

chow stephen09:40:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

Approved btw.

thanks

Alex M - clockwork09:40:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

not sure point of trying to drain a faucet funds tho

dunno

Stefan09:40:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

someone abused sparkdex faucet like this too, restrictions on account creation was needed to be enforced at greater level

What restriction did you put

George (Bitspark)09:40:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

What restriction did you put?

Stefan09:40:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's coming in through random IPs

Alex M - clockwork09:41:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

referrer is enter

Alex M - clockwork09:41:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

well known UIA squatter

Alex M - clockwork09:42:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

a few days ago he was using one of his own accounts to do it

Alex M - clockwork09:42:28 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

switched to aucet after

Alex M - clockwork09:42:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

guess it was costing him a lot

Alex M - clockwork09:43:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://open-explorer.io/#/accounts/1.2.1147979

M09:43:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I finally just recieved a proposal to update my account...from another account called 'openledger-gex'. I just ignore this, right?

Alex M - clockwork09:43:50 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

George (Bitspark)09:44:07 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I finally just recieved a proposal to update my account...from another account called 'openledger-gex'. I just ignore this, right?

do not approve it its a scam to steal ur keys

Alex M - clockwork09:44:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

teh bad thign abotu decentralisation

Alex M - clockwork09:44:36 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cant do anythign about this kind of shit

M09:45:10 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What does it take to approve it? I presume there is some kind of prompt...like I can't easily approve it by accident.

Alex M - clockwork09:45:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

there is an approve button

Alex M - clockwork09:45:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dotn click it

Alex M - clockwork09:45:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

unless youre using staging/RC

Alex M - clockwork09:46:01 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

in whichcase it's hidden unelss you explicitly allow to view it (toggle switch on top left)

M09:46:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't even see an approve button...I'm afraid to touch it at all.

M09:47:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wait...I see it now.

Stefan09:48:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

someone abused sparkdex faucet like this too, restrictions on account creation was needed to be enforced at greater level

Should stop soon, update is rolling out

M09:49:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I feel bad about folks that lost their keys to that scam...I think it's still happening too.

Alex M - clockwork09:49:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i wish i could track those assholes down

funkit09:50:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Oh man... They have their first victims.

Alex M - clockwork09:54:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

same guys as 100% market fee scams

Alex M - clockwork09:55:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

such as NOBLE

Alex M - clockwork09:56:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

speakign of such scams

Alex M - clockwork09:56:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and the community faucet

M09:56:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What effect does the account whitelist have? Just saw that account get blacklisted by 'openledger-judge'

Stefan09:56:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

such as NOBLE

Doesn't have market fee atm

Alex M - clockwork09:56:42 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Doesn't have market fee atm

yeah...they switched to a manipulated order book instead

Alex M - clockwork09:56:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

after the 100% market fee was pointed out in the forums

Alex M - clockwork09:57:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27382.msg324008#msg324008

Alex M - clockwork09:57:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27353.msg323884#msg323884

Stefan10:00:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thx, will check scamlist

Alex M - clockwork10:07:11 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sorry...i had to attend a meeting mid sentence

Alex M - clockwork10:07:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork10:07:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

considering such scams

Alex M - clockwork10:07:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and the community faucet

Alex M - clockwork10:08:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

could we a) Modify the whitelisting/blacklisting feature to include accounts

Alex M - clockwork10:09:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so that a blacklisted account is not allowed to "interact" with your account in any way?

Alex M - clockwork10:09:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and then have those blacklists set up BY DEFAULT by teh faucet on new accounts

Alex M - clockwork10:09:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they can be removed

Alex M - clockwork10:09:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but it protects newbies

Alex M - clockwork10:10:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

similarly, can we set up global blacklists? for ALL assets

Alex M - clockwork10:10:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

especially BTS and bitAssets

Alex M - clockwork10:11:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so that as soon as an account is added to the global blacklist it can no longer transact/hold any asset

Alex M - clockwork10:11:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

secodn oen might be a bit too far

Alex M - clockwork10:11:32 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but first oen sounds reasonable

Mathew10:14:38 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

First one sounds like a good call

Alex M - clockwork10:15:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

Mathew10:15:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You can never completely protect people and the scammers will just get workarounds anyway

Mathew10:15:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But need to do what we can!

Alex M - clockwork10:15:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

second one would require committee involvement and would cause outcries of centralisation

Alex M - clockwork10:15:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but first one is removable so not that bad

Mathew10:16:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

For the second one...yeah it needs some thought

fav10:16:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Let me su subscribe to a blacklist

Mathew10:16:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Let me su subscribe to a blacklist

Admin please blacklist

fav10:16:50 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Security tab in wallet with options

Alex M - clockwork10:17:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still needs changes in core to allow for account blacklisting ...right now its only in regards to assets

fav10:17:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Could start with just hiding actions

fav10:17:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In the wallet

Alex M - clockwork10:18:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Could start with just hiding actions

already done for proposals

Crypto Kong10:21:17 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Like compound.finance, that's a great idea

Not heard of this before but yeah. Perhaps we should create an issue. I know george wrote an article and quite a lot of us support the need for this kind of thing

Crypto Kong10:22:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

not sure point of trying to drain a faucet funds tho

To drive users to another one?

fav10:22:42 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Not heard of this before but yeah. Perhaps we should create an issue. I know george wrote an article and quite a lot of us support the need for this kind of thing

There's a lender and supplier pool. Suppliers get interest based on lender demand

Crypto Kong10:24:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When i get time ill create an issue, is that the correct way to go about it or would a bsip be required?

Crypto Kong10:24:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I dont know what im doing if a bsip is required... bit more technical

Dima BLCKCHND10:29:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

so that as soon as an account is added to the global blacklist it can no longer transact/hold any asset

Sounds like eos

Andrey Semenov10:32:55 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@George_Bitspark Hello, tell me please, where info about deposit/withdrawal sparkdex.HKD?

funkit10:45:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

t.me/sparkdexofficial

Alex M - clockwork10:51:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Sounds like eos

which is why i said that part is probably not feasible/ideal

Alex M - clockwork10:51:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

first part is doable i think

R11:59:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or free faucets mandate long verbose account names with ip creation limits?

R12:02:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The scam user warning system could be extended further, into covering scam assets, plus hiding scam/inactive assets from initial view on asset explore?

R12:08:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't like the idea of global blacklists though, education and reasonable cautions/warnings throughout the client when interacting with confirmed scammers should be sufficient.

R12:09:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Perhaps like a score or rep for accounts based on bts balance or p2p ratings (with bts holder weight) could mitigate scams from unknown accounts

Alex M - clockwork12:21:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

any sort of rep/rating thingie can be abused badly i think

Alex M - clockwork12:21:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or gamed

Crypto Kong12:22:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

I don't like the idea of global blacklists though, education and reasonable cautions/warnings throughout the client when interacting with confirmed scammers should be sufficient.

I tend to agree, better off trying to make things unatractive in the first place then blacklisting afterwards

Dariia12:35:53 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

**Please, Be Cautious About Accepting Proposed Transactions** https://dex.openledger.io/news/be-cautious-about-accepting-proposed-transactions/

Alex M - clockwork12:37:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tryign to track them down :/

Stefan12:39:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

tryign to track them down :/

Send me a list of all accounts in the trail please

b cc13:19:45 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Photo from Benccw

Cryptick Cryptick13:32:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Perhaps like a score or rep for accounts based on bts balance or p2p ratings (with bts holder weight) could mitigate scams from unknown accounts

I like this idea. It works well in a decentralized way. If the system used all trusted networks. So as one account reports something about another account (Account number 101 publically gives account number 102 a negative rating) it could go on the blockchain. (Lets suppose there is a rating system of -5 to +5). Now as these ratings go on block chain a public score could appear net to a name and a then a more advanced feature could be that when one has rated certain accounts highly -as trusted, they could effect a social network score. This social network score, or a seperate overall rating could be used as a warning and a block on new accounts.

Cryptick Cryptick13:33:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

There are several ways the math could be worked out (avoiding a long detailed explation at this point. But it would basically be an average of various over peoples scores.)

R13:33:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kind of like how OTC market user ratings work, except with BTS vote weighting perhaps

nutela13:33:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

Like on Steem you mean?

Cryptick Cryptick13:34:11 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Like on Steem you mean?

yeah, very similiar to steem.

nutela13:35:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Circle jerk alert then 😂

Cryptick Cryptick13:35:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Circle jerk alert then 😂

No!!!

nutela13:35:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I’m sorry, just trying to point out the obvious.

Cryptick Cryptick13:36:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

OK how about how like NetFlix picks which movies it thinks you will like based on others interactions.

Cryptick Cryptick13:37:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or how amazon picks, people who bought this prodcut (a coffee pot) also liked this product (coffee) or this product (coffee pot filters).

R13:37:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It might suffer from 'voter' apathy though, the majority of users might have no rating what so ever, given that they only use the market

nutela13:38:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sounds like a sollution looking for a problem to me...

Stefan13:38:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

OK how about how like NetFlix picks which movies it thinks you will like based on others interactions.

Lots of many has been spent into those algoritms (I think there was also a 1 million bounty campaign a while back)

nutela13:38:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Lots of many has been spent into those algoritms (I think there was also a 1 million bounty campaign a while back)

R13:38:55 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Sounds like a sollution looking for a problem to me...

well the problem is people falling for basic social-engineering scams from unknown accounts

nutela13:39:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It could be good for local bitshares though.

nutela13:39:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

well the problem is people falling for basic social-engineering scams from unknown accounts

As I see it all accounts are unknown.

Cryptick Cryptick13:39:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Given the abuse cases we are talking about are pretty bad (scam assets), scam accounts, and more. I don't think that the algorithm would actually need to be very smart to work. (Like I think every algoirthm would work way better than we need.)

nutela13:40:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But sure, why not have something like a membership level? Like LTM...

Cryptick Cryptick13:40:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

But sure, why not have something like a membership level? Like LTM...

Because a scam account can just buy a LTM if it wants.

R13:40:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

broadcasting the list of accounts you've +'d could lead to trustworthiness scores for accounts

nutela13:40:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

I think every asset and account should have a limited lifespan if not used or it gets a bad rep… Unless the owner responds..

nutela13:41:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I mean if your account or asset is doing crap things…

R13:41:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I mean if your account or asset is doing crap things…

Difficult to monitor on such a large scale in a decentralized environment, no?

nutela13:43:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Difficult to monitor on such a large scale in a decentralized environment, no?

If you get complaints… which are legit.. maybe there should be some admin accounts..? Or voting? Have a list of bad actors and assets and have them voted out.

nutela13:43:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Clean up BitShares.. Sort of like Steem cleaners or Cheetah..

R13:43:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

If you get complaints… which are legit.. maybe there should be some admin accounts..? Or voting? Have a list of bad actors and assets and have them voted out.

can't vote out assets/accounts from existence, the manual warnings are where intervention should end

Cryptick Cryptick13:43:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And it is easy to forget that Steemit ranking system has worked really well. It helped reduce abuse. Many times I have seen some article and oh... the account has 25 rep. (Meaning new account...) and I instantly discounted it as a scam. (I know it also got abused later on with circlejerk)

nutela13:44:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

can't vote out assets/accounts from existence, the manual warnings are where intervention should end

Ok fair enough but I think in any system old cruft is going to build up, wether it is your hard drive or a decentralized system...

Cryptick Cryptick13:44:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Difficult to monitor on such a large scale in a decentralized environment, no?

There are witnesses in Steemit, having witnesses and commitee on BitShares too, but they don't really have a tool to stop what is know and unwanted abuse.

nutela13:44:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

True, if ratings were anonymous you wouldn’t have the backlash effect

nutela13:45:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

There are witnesses in Steemit, having witnesses and commitee on BitShares too, but they don't really have a tool to stop what is know and unwanted abuse.

I think EOS has some interesting developments with regards of such ideas like super majority..

Cryptick Cryptick13:46:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

One way to handle bad ratings might be with a comment field.

Cryptick Cryptick13:46:24 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

See this is basically the same kind of thing that Amazon, Ebay and Uber have.

Cryptick Cryptick13:46:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is not like I am reinventing the wheel, but just using the same system mankind has been using for ages.

Cryptick Cryptick13:47:45 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is also not much different than the ratings we have on bulletin boards (user #23 has 345 posts and member since this date. he has earned 2 gold stars.)

Bobby Falcon13:49:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Dima BLCKCHND13:49:10 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@xeroc could you explain please how it possible for escrow to take money before the work done? https://workers.bitshares.foundation/2018-09-rossul-ui

Bobby Falcon13:49:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dima BLCKCHND13:50:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

@xeroc could you explain please how it possible for escrow to take money before the work done? https://workers.bitshares.foundation/2018-09-rossul-ui

we will raise this question in forum as well that you have time to answer

Dima BLCKCHND13:51:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

2019/02/12 Paying out to bitshares.blockchain.foundation 2018-09-rossul-ui 4000-WorkerProposals:Outstanding:2018-09-rossul-ui:USD:bitshares.blockchain.foundation 5,779.220 USD

Stefan13:51:01 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

@xeroc could you explain please how it possible for escrow to take money before the work done? https://workers.bitshares.foundation/2018-09-rossul-ui

Escrow fees may be collected for any outgoing payments

Dima BLCKCHND13:51:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Escrow fees may be collected for any outgoing payments

are you @xeroc?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:51:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Escrow fees may be collected for any outgoing payments

Um, where is an outgoing payment in that document?

Stefan13:51:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

are you @xeroc?

Does it matter? @xeroc also doesn speak for BBF here. If you want an "official" answer from BBF use the email

Cryptick Cryptick13:52:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

To some extent one could build that a version of that out using exisiting data of account balance, # of transactions, amount of transactions, send history, assets held, and current blacklists. It is easy to get the information, the more challenging thing is applying it to block transactions or warn people on the other end.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:52:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Just the escrow fee.

Dima BLCKCHND13:54:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

is rossul work done?

Dima BLCKCHND13:54:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it is a question from member of community to bbf escrow

Stefan13:56:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No, the escrow fee is applicable to all payments that have already been done. Otherwise the freelance would also need to Bill at the end of the completed work

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:57:11 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Eithere I am not understanding your explanation, or what is shown on this screenshot, or there is a contradiction between what you are saying and what is shown on the screenshot.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:58:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(opened one of the invoice payment pdfs, and was expecting to see 5% fee in them)

Stefan13:58:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The escrow fee is a separate bill. It can't be in the freelancer invoice as the freelancer doesnt collect it

Dima BLCKCHND13:58:38 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

No, the escrow fee is applicable to all payments that have already been done. Otherwise the freelancer would also need to bill at the end of the completed work

what sense in escrow in this case? I thought escrow work is to keep workers accountable, but not paying themselves 5% BEFORE the work done is not "escrow" worker is a rossul worker

Stefan13:59:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's not the complete escrow fee, only for the work that has been done already.

Dima BLCKCHND14:00:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

is not about complete or not complete is about escrow principles Im realy was surprised this day

Dima BLCKCHND14:02:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but is nice Stefan that you know so much information about everything that going on

Stefan14:02:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hmm. Any regulation for that would need to be written in the worker proposal. In the case of Rossul that is not defined precisely

Dima BLCKCHND14:03:07 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Hmm. Any regulation for that would need to be written in the worker proposal. In the case of Rossul that is not defined precisely

dosen't metter how you will call it now) To day been a day)

Stefan14:03:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In the core worker for example, the escrow fee is mentioned as monthly (or bi-weekly dont remember exactly) expenses

Alex M - clockwork14:03:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

is not about complete or not complete is about escrow principles I'm really was surprised this day

it's the same...simply put... the escrow/community/worker agree on milestones ...when the worker reaches each milestone , he can be paid the equivalent amount ...and the escrow can receive the associated fee

Alex M - clockwork14:04:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

just think of the worker milestones as mini escrow agreements

Alex M - clockwork14:04:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

which makes sense in "larger" workers

Alex M - clockwork14:05:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

better for deliveries for teh community, better for the worker cause he doesnt have to wait till the end to get paid, better for the escrow because he doesnt get screwed out of the fee if the worker doesnt reach full completion for whatever reason

Dima BLCKCHND14:06:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so bitshares ready to pay 100k and pay the escrow for not finished job? ok I got it but is not how escrow works in my reality

Stefan14:06:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

what sense in escrow in this case? I thought escrow work is to keep workers accountable, but not paying themselves 5% BEFORE the work done is not "escrow" worker is a rossul worker

Thanks for staying vigilant. Will be considered in the wording of future proposals

Alex M - clockwork14:06:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

so bitshares ready to pay 100k and pay the escrow for not finished job? ok I got it but is not how escrow works in my reality

it pays for the work already completed

Stefan14:06:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

so bitshares ready to pay 100k and pay the escrow for not finished job? ok I got it but is not how escrow works in my reality

With that argument the escrow would need to hold off on any payments to the freelancers as well until delivered. Is that preferable to you?

Dima BLCKCHND14:07:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Thanks for staying vigilant. Will be considered in the wording of future proposals

do you blackmailing me know?

Stefan14:07:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

do you blackmailing me now?

What? .. Like I said above the Rossul worker is not formulated precise in that matter. So that is something that needs to be bettered

Alex M - clockwork14:08:17 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

some kind of misunderstanding

Stefan14:08:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Hey fav ❤️

Alex M - clockwork14:09:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it only works in those 2 ways....break the worker up to milestones, pay the freelancer in increments as milestones reached and receive escrow fee in increments

Fabian Schuh14:09:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also .. Rossul isn't treated differently .. all workers have paid their corresponding escrow fee recently .. compare with core, ui, or any other worker

Fabian Schuh14:09:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

it only works in those 2 ways....break the worker up to milestones, pay the freelancer in increments as milestones reached and receive escrow fee in increments

that's what we figured out too ..

Alex M - clockwork14:09:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or only pay the freelancer at the end and receive full escrow fee at the end

Fabian Schuh14:09:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

plus, the BBF hasn't received their escrow fee from some workers that were underfunded ..

Fabian Schuh14:10:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hence, accounting changed and now will account the percentage fee on every payout directly ..

Fabian Schuh14:10:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

makes accounting easier and more transparent ..

Fabian Schuh14:10:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

less surprises when suddenly, the escrow asks for its fee

Fabian Schuh14:10:55 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

or only pay the freelancer at the end and receive full escrow fee at the end

In fact .. the BBF is short a couple thousand dollars on escrow fees .. yet they didn't complain ..

Fabian Schuh14:11:11 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

maybe I should tell them to poke the entire community about that ... sounds reasonable and fair ..

Dima BLCKCHND14:11:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

Also .. Rossul isn't treated differently .. all workers have paid their corresponding escrow fee recently .. compare with core, ui, or any other worker

could you explain why you supported the same two paid UI worker proposals till today?

Fabian Schuh14:11:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

could you explain why you supported the same two paid UI worker proposals till today?

check your facts .. I don't

Fabian Schuh14:12:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

also .. voting requests go to the forum .. https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=20792.new#

Valera Cogut14:12:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

в блокчейне надо проверить))

Valera Cogut14:12:57 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

check your facts .. I don't

Alex M - clockwork14:13:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

could you explain why you supported the same two paid UI worker proposals till today?

fwiw....i notified xeroc at 10:41 am this mornign that the new UI worker was made active

Dima BLCKCHND14:13:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

check your facts .. I don't

http://cryptofresh.com/u/xeroc

Dima BLCKCHND14:13:24 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

4 рщгкы фпщ

Alex M - clockwork14:13:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

he adjusted his votes at 10:47

Alex M - clockwork14:13:36 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

http://cryptofresh.com/u/xeroc

cryptofresh ballots are delayed

Fabian Schuh14:13:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

http://cryptofresh.com/u/xeroc

seriously?

Alex M - clockwork14:14:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

he adjusted his votes at 10:47

I can forward the telegram messages to prove it

Dima BLCKCHND14:14:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

seriously?

try to understand myself http://cryptofresh.com/tx/81b71381aa3a0b3c8f12fa6537a7ed6fdde17620

Fabian Schuh14:14:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

use uptick! uptick votes xeroc --type workers

Alex M - clockwork14:15:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cryptofresh ballots : Generated 2018-11-26 23:06:41 UTC

Alex M - clockwork14:15:24 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lol

Alex M - clockwork14:17:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitsharescan.com/voting

Fabian Schuh14:17:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

https://bitsharescan.com/voting

cool .. didnt know they have that now

Alex M - clockwork14:17:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the gradients make me dizzy

Alex M - clockwork14:18:01 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but teh stats are fresh

Dima BLCKCHND14:25:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

use uptick! uptick votes xeroc --type workers

Ok I'll try to be clear Do you state that in this: http://bts.ai/tx/81b71381aa3a0b3c8f12fa6537a7ed6fdde17620 or this tx: http://bts.ai/tx/6db0097c139de321b17ccc6b5ec3d0187de2ab3e you didn't change your votes on `201808-bitshares-ui?

Alex M - clockwork14:28:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

201808-ui is vote object 2:394

Alex M - clockwork14:28:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yesterday's one

Alex M - clockwork14:28:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still voting

Alex M - clockwork14:29:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

todays from this morning 10:46 (as I mentioned) not anymore

Dima BLCKCHND14:30:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

todays from this morning 10:46 (as I mentioned) not anymore

thanks

Alex M - clockwork14:30:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

new UI worker was made active sometime last night

Alex M - clockwork14:30:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

which is why i told fabian he needs to update his votes

Alex M - clockwork14:30:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and he did within a few mins

Alex M - clockwork14:30:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i'm only joining in specifically because i had that exchange with him

ilmari lähteenmäki14:33:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ilmari lähteenmäki14:35:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dexy Bitshares15:08:38 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Discussions? There are no discussions at all. All asked questions were ignored (steemit). Why do you support this worker, ladies and gentlemen?

Valera Cogut15:09:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27797.0

litepresence16:14:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

I do think we need a kindergarten channel. George? Funkit?

https://t.me/bts_thunderdome

高

高建明16:50:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

http://bit.ly/2WZ2hhC

Natalie Alline18:59:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi, Who here wants to coventure on a good profitable business project ?

R19:02:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

Discussions? There are no discussions at all. All asked questions were ignored (steemit). Why do you support this worker, ladies and gentlemen?

It'd be more aptly labeled 'related links', I support it because it's worth it

Alexey "Безликий" Petrov19:04:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

It'd be more aptly labeled 'related links', I support it because it's worth it

Do you think that one person who “works” 2 hours a week and ignoring inappropriate questions costs $250,000 a year?

Stefan19:09:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Define "works"

Alexey "Безликий" Petrov19:13:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In the worker, he is listed as the "coordinator" 🙃

Alexey "Безликий" Petrov19:14:45 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This is only the first point that causes an ambiguous reaction.

John R19:15:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ryan Fox enjoys a very good reputation by most stakeholders. At least this stakeholder.

Fabian Schuh19:16:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Tnam0rken

In the worker, he is listed as the "coordinator" 🙃

maybe you should checkout github to see how coordination works these days .. Aint find it in this telegram group

Alexey "Безликий" Petrov19:16:42 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

maybe you should checkout github to see how coordination works these days .. Aint find it in this telegram group

👍

Fabian Schuh19:19:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

from a workers perspective, i suppose it is really not easy to deliver ever single status update to every single BTS holder (voter). Its really difficult logistically. Fortunately, most workers come with their own chat group where things are discussed ... Also, many workers use an escrow for the funds which is asking the very same questions that you ask ..

Fabian Schuh19:20:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that makes the entire thing easier to oversee and manage ... (as long as you trust your proxy and the escrow)

litepresence19:22:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

maybe you should checkout github to see how coordination works these days .. Aint find it in this telegram group

^ this. in corporate world what fox does would certainly be "vice president of product delivery" not "coordinator"

vvk19:29:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So BBF escrowing core team by taking 5% of $1.3M as a fee? WTF?

Stefan19:30:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

So BBF escrowing core team by taking 5% of $1.3M as a fee? WTF?

Read the proposal please

vvk19:31:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok, core team got a discount

ИМ

Игорь Миллион19:37:42 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

(i dont like to see shilling of any project that is not bitshares itself or related to an approved worker)

Is bitshares-hi a bitshares itself or not ?)

Sudhir Kumar19:41:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

#MITH #BINNACE BUY: between 1100--1150 For short term and now volume growing as well. Target 9%,18%,27%,40%. Have Stoploss 900 satoshi .

Dexy Bitshares19:44:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

It'd be more aptly labeled 'related links', I support it because it's worth it

Don't you think that is EXTREMELY expensive for this time? Blockchain doesn't earn as much money as this worker wants to spend.

Dexy Bitshares19:46:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TOTAL CONFERENCE BUDGET (ONE-TIME) $74,320 wtf?! may be also add medical and social insurance in this?

R19:46:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

Don't you think that is EXTREMELY expensive for this time? Blockchain doesn't earn as much money as this worker wants to spend.

There's a huge reserve pool, 1/4 mil isn't that much

Stefan19:47:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

So BBF escrowing core team by taking 5% of $1.3M as a fee? WTF?

Either way, I think even 5% would be justifiable. Among other things, the BBF enables the freelancers to write proper invoices for blockchain generated tokens, which is a great facilitation for any freelancer that does his taxes because taxes in crypto are a nightmare. On top of that the legal construct allows 0% VAT, which is great compared to the tax rates otherwise (no need to charge the community for taxes, or make it less appealing for freelancers).

Dexy Bitshares19:49:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

There's a huge reserve pool, 1/4 mil isn't that much

not 1/4 mil but 1.3million$ they want

Stefan19:50:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

TOTAL CONFERENCE BUDGET (ONE-TIME) $74,320 wtf?! may be also add medical and social insurance in this?

Bitfest and Graphene DevCon ate two that were done in last core worker, and the network effect is amazing imo.

Bohdan V19:50:50 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi guys, Few cents from my side, as I'm already reading these discussions here in English and in RuDEX chat in russian. For now, it seems that there are two sides and some sort of confrontation. Let's try to move it in a more constructive way. If I understood correctly that is the main points (correct me if I'm wrong): - unclear principles for some budget aspects for some worker proposals; - % of the blockchain money spent on the different type of activities comparing to blockchain income (there was points that may be it worth); - some people overlap over the projects or workers overlaps; - rossul worker was voted, but didn't get full funding due to lack of funds; - people who voted for rossul worker is concerned, as it demonstrated great results (with good budget/output ratio) but MAYBE didn't get funding comparing to budget inefficiency on some core worker proposals (someone even consider this as corruption); - rossul devs feel not inclusive environment regarding their work, as old UI will be funded and step towards new one is conservated for an unknown period of time; I'll remind both sides that we're here to build a better future for bitshares blockchain and ecosystem. I propose for both sides to put knives aside and consider some constructive steps. Rossul team can prepare a post on steemit with specific cases and questions. Do some promotion campaign for their worker proposal & for important questions from their side. Core team can answer to those specific questions. Also, they can perform some budget optimization & work on the more inclusive environment. Not only for rossul developers, but for all contractors who're willing to invest their time into bitshares.

R19:52:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

not 1/4 mil but 1.3million$ they want

It's for 10-14+ people though, so it's not like it's an unreasonable amount for a year's funding. Plus, it's not an upfront payment, it's paid over time.

Dexy Bitshares20:00:36 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Bitfest and Graphene DevCon ate two that were done in last core worker, and the network effect is amazing imo.

how can we see this effect? as i see bitshares has descended from 15-20 places on coinmarketcap to 44-48 and price has dropped 30 times

Dexy Bitshares20:01:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

for last year

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:02:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I am in Russian chat, and I don't think it is about Rossul. It is more about principles for the prices, about centralization of stuff under auspices of BFF (which makes sense from logistical point of view, but usually people have different branches in government for a reason). Once everyone involved are working together it raises questions, and apparently with raised core worker proposal during crypto winter, and how the fee increase was initially handled triggered those questions (that judging from the atmosphere are long overdue).

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:03:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And while I understand about talking about such things in private, as it might be considered an attack... it is talking about such things in private is exactly what caused it in the first place.

Stefan20:13:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

how can we see this effect? as i see bitshares has descended from 15-20 places on coinmarketcap to 44-48 and price has dropped 30 times

You mean during crypto winter? Don't have an answer for that

Stefan20:15:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

I'd very much love another escrow. We (BCP) always have conflict of interest using BBF, but need it for invoicing

Alex M - clockwork20:15:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Apasia/move

Alex M - clockwork20:16:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But I think DL would be biting of more than he can chew ..only 24hrs in a day

Sk Yhih20:16:45 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork20:17:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I might consider doing it in the future too based on experience doing UI fund management

Alex M - clockwork20:17:28 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But not yet

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:18:37 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think GL has for it once Rossul worker is finished. The idea is, that once they finish it, they demonstrate that they can deliver, and know inns and outs of working with an escrow, and can fix things that they consider inefficient (or whatever).

Alex M - clockwork20:19:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Fwiw, imho none of this discussion would be taking place if bts was at 8 cents or more as all workers would be funded properly

Alex M - clockwork20:19:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So let's keep that in mind

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:19:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I remember discussing that stuff with Denis, unfortunately he can't speak for himself right now, telegram restricted his acct (i.e. he needs admin rights to write in public channels).

Alex M - clockwork20:20:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Truth is, all workers are doing a great job and it's a shame it's like this.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:20:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I've seen similar discussions repeatedly over the last year, and bts was way above 8 cents. This situation probably showed something that was under the radar at the time.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:21:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(and before, but much less)

fav20:21:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

maybe we should think about converting some of the pool funds to $ once a certain price level hit

Cryptick Cryptick20:21:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can we all come together as a team people?

Alex M - clockwork20:22:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

I've seen similar discussions repeatedly over the last year, and bts was way above 8 cents. This situation probably showed something that was under the radar at the time.

maybe for some other workers

Alex M - clockwork20:23:46 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

imho Core is delivering on every cent they get...they're all very high-level in a very competitive and expensive field...and anyone who spends time around the groups knows they spend way more time than what they track writing code

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:23:53 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

Can we all come together as a team people?

I think one of the bigger problems is that all the workers got consolidated into one for core & one for ui. Before that each worker was different and could be evaluated separately, and so there was some competition between them.

Alex M - clockwork20:24:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

seeing as there's shitloads to be done and more features added it makes sense for this years to be bigger

Crypto Kong20:25:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

maybe we should think about converting some of the pool funds to $ once a certain price level hit

definitely

Alex M - clockwork20:25:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

true, but imho the consolidation of the various dev workers (abit/alfredo/peter/etc) under one managed team has done WONDERS for productivity and moving forward

Sk Yhih20:25:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork20:26:28 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

UI is a curious one as it has to keep going as long as its the reference wallet to keep up with core

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca20:26:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well, that means that we need more transparency, I guess.

Cryptick Cryptick20:26:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

maybe we should think about converting some of the pool funds to $ once a certain price level hit

I actually also agree. That would be a good way to do it. That could give some significant stability to long term funding of workers.

Alex M - clockwork20:27:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

I actually also agree. That would be a good way to do it. That could give some significant stability to long term funding of workers.

well

Alex M - clockwork20:27:24 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ive tried to get the BBF to do it

Alex M - clockwork20:27:41 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as some workers are overfunded while others are underfunded

Alex M - clockwork20:28:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but they prefer the transparency and clean accounting of keeping everything completely separate

Alex M - clockwork20:28:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if anyone else wants to bug them about it ...feel free

Alex M - clockwork20:30:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

e.g. trusty community UI worker (ended) has a spare 65k USD or so

Alex M - clockwork20:30:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(1.65m BTS)

Alex M - clockwork20:30:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

this will get burned back to the reserve

Alex M - clockwork20:31:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thats the clean and announced way to do it

Alex M - clockwork20:31:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but if we all feel so strongly about it we could ask the BBF to set up voting proposals

Alex M - clockwork20:32:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ie a Worker voting to transfer XXX excess funds to other underfunded projects

Alex M - clockwork20:32:50 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if people vote for it, they get the mandate to mix and match

Alex M - clockwork20:33:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

btw...no idea if the BBF will go for that....just throwing ideas around

Alex M - clockwork20:34:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hackthe dex balance is NOT supposed to be used past worker expiration and that has a spare 140k USD

Alex M - clockwork20:34:32 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

etc.

Cryptick Cryptick20:37:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah, Long term I totally think some holdings need to be diversififed for worker stability. Now would be the time to save BTS and when it goes up it could be converted to CNY. This could be done via a forumula or something. when price was high we have a problem of getting good people invovled. Now we have good people invovled, and price is low so there is a funding issue. I am just thinking out loud here, but it doesn't seem like we have done as good as we could have here.

Cryptick Cryptick20:38:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Maybe these workers also need to have longer time frames.

Alex M - clockwork20:39:11 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you mean active for longer than the work takes?

Alex M - clockwork20:39:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

to spread the cost?

Bohdan V20:40:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ok, so what is one thing both side can do right now to keep core developement ongoing & new UI developement?

Bohdan V20:41:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

From my perspective, we need to prevent situations like we had today when a lot of funds were spend on the old worker. BTW, what will happen with this funds?

Cryptick Cryptick20:41:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

you mean active for longer than the work takes?

I mean things like hack the dex sound great for a 1 year time frame, but when it take 2 months to get WP approved and then the back end research/homework and fixes of bugs and payout takes two months... maybe they need to be an 18 month program. Funded though for only 12 motnhs.

Alex M - clockwork20:42:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptick1

yeah..it works for some workers...not so much for salary/dev work

Alex M - clockwork20:42:14 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cant tell devs you do the work now and hopefully get paid 6 months later

Cryptick Cryptick20:43:07 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

cant tell devs you do the work now and hopefully get paid 6 months later

I hear you...

Valera Cogut20:44:01 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27797.0 if you would like vote for me as committee member Thanks !

Alex M - clockwork20:45:17 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

g3dinua

From my perspective, we need to prevent situations like we had today when a lot of funds were spend on the old worker. BTW, what will happen with this funds?

what funds on old worker?

Dima BLCKCHND20:50:28 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bohdan V (Bitspark)20:50:28 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If I undertood correctly, there was situation when 2 workers were voted for some period of time. So if this situation happens, what will happen with funds from old worker?

Bohdan V (Bitspark)20:50:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

do we have some procedures for it?

fav20:52:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

whoever receives double pay will send it back to the pool. that's the obvious action

Bohdan V (Bitspark)20:55:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

how can we prevent situations like that? set some notification script? someone from team will check it once a day? some protocols for transitions? @blockchained may be you want volunteer for this? or anyone else?

Alex M - clockwork20:58:45 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

g3dinua

If I undertood correctly, there was situation when 2 workers were voted for some period of time. So if this situation happens and 2 workers are paid, what will happen with funds from old worker?

work on UI never stopped

Alex M - clockwork20:58:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its been underfunded since December

Alex M - clockwork20:59:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hence why we put the new proposal up before the last one ended to take over

Alex M - clockwork20:59:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we also requested that people unvote the old worker as soon as the new one was made active

Alex M - clockwork20:59:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

new one became active late last night

Alex M - clockwork20:59:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i told xeroc this morning and he unvoted the old one

Alex M - clockwork21:00:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so theres liek 8 hrs worth of "double funds"

Alex M - clockwork21:00:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but the old worker's "extra" pay is still not enough to cover the work done during the last couple of sprints

Alex M - clockwork21:01:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so we moved issues around to get covered by the new one

Alex M - clockwork21:01:13 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not that 8 hrs is much

fav21:01:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

why didn't you keep the old one alive then?

fav21:01:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

on top

Alex M - clockwork21:01:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

because it wouldnt be right

Alex M - clockwork21:01:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and we didnt want to eat extra funding from the pool

fav21:02:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that's for the stakeholders to decide, especially if you're missing money

Alex M - clockwork21:02:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

startail spent hours trying to get it as low as possible to leave as much room for other workers

Alex M - clockwork21:02:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

that's for the stakeholders to decide, especially if you're missing money

well..its easier for us because we can simply move payments to the next couple of sprints

Alex M - clockwork21:02:55 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

just have less community bounties for a few weeks

Alex M - clockwork21:03:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thats better than eating otehr worker's possible funding

Alex M - clockwork21:04:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

leaving the old one in would take out infrastructure

Alex M - clockwork21:06:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we did consider setting up one to cover extra fundign required till the end of the existing one

Alex M - clockwork21:06:27 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and then launch the new one

Alex M - clockwork21:06:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but combined with the management change it made more sense to do it once and out

Bohdan V (Bitspark)21:08:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks @clockworkgr @favdesu for this discussion. That is what I was missing in that discussion. Next time it'll be healthier to put things like that on the table earlier rather than later.

Alex M - clockwork21:08:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

g3dinua

Thanks @clockworkgr @favdesu for this discussion. That is what I was missing in that discussion. Next time it'll be healthier to put things like that on the table earlier rather than later.

i did actually explain the same to Dima earlier today

fav21:09:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

g3dinua

Thanks @clockworkgr @favdesu for this discussion. That is what I was missing in that discussion. Next time it'll be healthier to put things like that on the table earlier rather than later.

it's fine, more eyes watching isn't a bad thing

Alex M - clockwork21:09:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(about the reason for the 8hr delay)

Alex M - clockwork21:09:40 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

increased fees would allow for a larger daily budget btw (eventually)

Alex M - clockwork21:09:45 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

just saying :D

Alex M - clockwork21:10:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

at this prices we can't save from witness pay either :/

Bohdan V (Bitspark)21:11:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@clockworkgr I think that was a trigger fro Dima. 8 hours and 0 hours is a bit different facts. All he needed was a confirmation that this happened.

Fabian Schuh21:11:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

check your facts .. I don't

Alex M - clockwork21:12:15 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah , fabian's response was based on the comment that he was still voting for both

Bohdan V (Bitspark)21:12:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyway, more eyes watching isn't a bad thing. So Thanks everyone involved for sorting this out

Alex M - clockwork21:12:30 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

due to the crappy updating on cryptofresh

Alex M - clockwork21:12:43 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it was cleared up anyway

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca21:13:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

increased fees would allow for a larger daily budget btw (eventually)

Oh, right. Maybe any plans to increase daily spending limit?

Alex M - clockwork21:13:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

can't

Alex M - clockwork21:13:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we're hitting teh hard limit

Alex M - clockwork21:13:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

unless we do it as part of a consensus change on core

Alex M - clockwork21:14:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

committee can only change the soft limit

Alex M - clockwork21:14:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

soft limit is 500k BTS/daily

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca21:14:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Oh. Are witness payments part of that also?

Alex M - clockwork21:14:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we're hitting the hard one at 330k

Alex M - clockwork21:14:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah

Alex M - clockwork21:14:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it's 17/2^32 * reserve pool size every second

Alex M - clockwork21:15:20 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(roughly)

Alex M - clockwork21:16:04 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it's actually reserve pool size at the end of the next maintenance period minus witness payments until then or sth like that

Alex M - clockwork21:16:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but more or less that

Alex M - clockwork21:17:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so daily limit is 86400 seconds *17 * 909m (roughly) / 2^32

Alex M - clockwork21:18:21 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so (my bad) 310.87k BTS

Alex M - clockwork21:18:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not 330k

Alex M - clockwork21:18:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

28.8k blocks in a day * 1 BTS witness pay

Alex M - clockwork21:18:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

=28.8k BTS

Alex M - clockwork21:19:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so ~ 281k BTS available for workers

Alex M - clockwork21:19:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

close enough

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca21:19:52 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So, raising witness pay reduces worker payout limit, lowering witness pay increases worker payout limit?

Alex M - clockwork21:19:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yep

Alex M - clockwork21:20:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

at current prices with 25 witnesses

Valera Cogut21:20:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

So, raising witness pay reduces worker payout limit, lowering witness pay increases worker payout limit?

we need to add another mechanism for the same effect imho

Alex M - clockwork21:21:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

each one makes ~ 1380$

Alex M - clockwork21:21:04 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

/month

Alex M - clockwork21:22:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I wouldnt feel comfortable lowering that knowing the effore put in by a lot of the witnesses

Bohdan V (Bitspark)21:23:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yep, especially including cost of infrastructure

Alex M - clockwork21:23:25 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca21:33:18 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I was actually asking because I calculated the $1300ish number today, and was thinking if raising that number might be good idea (re that proposal to denominate the payments in something less volatile than BTS).

Mathew21:33:29 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

each one makes ~ 1380$

Costs have to eat up a fair chunk of that

Alex M - clockwork21:35:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

it should be higher....but no can do right now

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca21:36:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah, I am investigating some things that I didn't think about outside of being part of the committee.

Alex M - clockwork22:04:53 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

Yeah, I am investigating some things that I didn't think about outside of being part of the committee.

yes...if you remind your self bitshares is a DAC and as committee you're essentially a sort of Board member (that gets treated like a villain while doing a janitor's work)

Alex M - clockwork22:05:06 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

puts a different spin on your PoV

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca22:05:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah, I knew what I was getting into.

Alex M - clockwork22:05:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

my experience thus far:

Alex M - clockwork22:05:51 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if BTS going up

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca22:06:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Aaaand not so different from what I've been doing during my career.

Alex M - clockwork22:06:02 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"It's not liek you guys actually do anything"

Alex M - clockwork22:06:09 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if BTS going down

Alex M - clockwork22:06:12 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"it's all your fault"

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca22:06:32 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

& if BTS is flat?

Alex M - clockwork22:06:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they find somethign else to complain about

Alex M - clockwork22:07:00 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

proxies usually

Bohdan V (Bitspark)22:07:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Life as it is :D

Alex M - clockwork22:08:49 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit22:15:26 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I thought it was all bitcrabs fault 😁

Alex M - clockwork22:17:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that too

Gabriel22:19:08 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

....blame "Russia" ... Lol

Alex M - clockwork22:23:53 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I thought it was all bitcrabs fault 😁

funny how it all stopped when people realised he was in fact losing money like everyone else

funkit22:24:19 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

He sure was.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca22:25:22 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Probably more than everyone else, there is a scale related effect in there somewhere.

funkit22:28:24 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think everyone should take notice of our Russian friends and what they do. Even though the crypto winter has hit hard, they make their own version of the wallet with some nice features.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca22:28:56 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Rossul is actually Canadian. GL is Russian though.

funkit22:29:59 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah, I know. But that's future.

Stefan22:33:16 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

Rossul is actually Canadian. GL is Russian though.

He's talking Rudex I think

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca22:35:34 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We're not actually behind this proposal, although it started as our idea, lol. We reached out to some UX companies about possibility of collaborating with bitshares, regarding redesign. Lebedev studio offered for about the amount of worker to do only the design part. Then we met some guys working with Rossul, and talked to them. After comparing notes Rossul + GL decided to go for the worker that is ongoing.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca22:36:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We did participate in the polling part of the UX work, you know to get profiles of different user types and whatnot.

funkit22:40:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm excited to see what comes out of it. I looked at openledger the other day too and they had some good things going on. Unfortunately I can't stand the censorship of the rest of the network.

Gabriel22:44:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I'm excited to see what comes out of it. I looked at openledger the other day too and they had some good things going on. Unfortunately I can't stand the censorship of the rest of the network.

https://www.rossul.com/portfolio/

Allforyou22:49:03 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://invis.io/ZJQ9B20VPH5

Allforyou22:49:31 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I'm excited to see what comes out of it. I looked at openledger the other day too and they had some good things going on. Unfortunately I can't stand the censorship of the rest of the network.

https://invis.io/ZJQ9B20VPH5

Brosephous23:15:42 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Interesting interview with Stan and Larry about BEOS and money along with jurisdiction law

Brosephous23:15:54 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Did you see it?

Brosephous23:16:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How bitshares tokens can go cross chain to eos. Does that mean that bitshares tokens can now be stored by a nano ledger?

Brosephous23:17:39 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hear a rumor that they can do bitshaes to beos and eos to beos so that means bitshares could port to eos based tokens too?

Brosephous23:18:44 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And greymass add them to their reference wallet. Sounds good for bitshares

funkit23:22:55 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's all fiction. Read the white paper.

Brosephous23:34:36 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I did, it looks great so far

Brosephous23:35:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hear dan notestein is working on project hard too . Sounds very solid here

Alex M - clockwork23:36:33 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dont think theyre doing anythign between BEOS and EOS (the chain)

Alex M - clockwork23:36:48 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

simply that BEOS is eos-based so can pretty much do anythign eos does

Alex M - clockwork23:37:05 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

token movement is through centralized gateway for now

Alex M - clockwork23:37:11 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so requires trust

Brosephous23:37:17 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hear rumor they can do EOS to BEOS

Alex M - clockwork23:37:58 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

havent heard anything about that

Brosephous23:38:23 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Let me find it

Alex M - clockwork23:38:35 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ask here @officialbeos

John R23:39:36 - 14 Feb 2019 [UTC]

+5%

Brosephous00:07:25 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I asked they said they will not say it is not a feature.

funkit00:19:17 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

They also said it's all fiction. Live with it. And stop rumors before people actually belive the shit.

Brosephous00:31:19 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

They also said it's all fiction. Live with it. And stop rumors before people actually belive the shit.

Pretty sure they aren't claiming fiction on anything lately.

funkit00:31:49 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Then you must be blind

Brosephous00:32:23 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok, well direct questions and answers to them differ from your opinion.

Brosephous00:32:48 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm basing this off what I asked specifically and not fiction. Thanks.

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Stefan07:00:43 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Machupichuchoochoo

Ok, well direct questions and answers to them differ from your opinion.

What funkit refers to that every post and every statement (also their telegram accounts) have a disclaimer that anything they say is considered fiction, or subject to immediate change without notice.

Europa07:32:30 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

We (RuDEX) are not actually behind this proposal, although it started as our idea, lol. We reached out to some UX companies about possibility of collaborating with bitshares, regarding redesign. Lebedev studio offered for about the amount of worker to do only the design part. Then we met some guys working with Rossul, and talked to them. After comparing notes Rossul + GL decided to go for the worker that is ongoing.

Lebedev studio... Are you seriously? lol 😂

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Slavi07:48:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

EuropaSH

Lebedev studio... Are you seriously? lol 😂

Yes. Why not? :)

Elayna West07:56:36 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't really see why most of the big coins Weill be loosing below -5% sometimes it's just getting me angry

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:10:19 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

EuropaSH

Lebedev studio... Are you seriously? lol 😂

It started as a sort of joke, but yeah. There is a letter from them to Bitshares DAO, I think you can find it if you use Google.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:11:28 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26734.15

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:11:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Aaand here it is

Digital Lucife®08:16:38 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thank God that Scorum was never approved and Rossul was instead - even so many months later.

Valera Cogut08:17:35 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

friends who have not had time to vote, if you want me to go to the committee, then vote, thank you! https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27797.0

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca08:32:23 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

Thank God that Scorum was never approved and Rossul was instead - even so many months later.

Why? :)

Digital Lucife®08:46:58 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Did review of their own UX and work done for their own project. Very low rating when it comes to UX

Digital Lucife®08:48:16 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@apasia.tech/graphene-world-cup-2018-group-1-20180628t034858298z-post

Digital Lucife®08:48:20 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i cant post link

givi08:56:52 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi.

ИМ

Игорь Миллион08:57:41 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@murda_ra please post it 🙂

Digital Lucife®08:58:20 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its in the thread Xanoxt shared above on bitsharestalk

ИМ

Игорь Миллион09:00:48 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Digital please correct me if I’m wrong but Art Lebedev is non-reasonable expensive studio.

Digital Lucife®09:01:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you are very correct

Digital Lucife®09:02:03 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But how you can offer design when you dont even know requirements and put a price tag on it ? That's the most unprofessional step they've made.

ИМ

Игорь Миллион09:03:13 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That’s true 🙂

Fabian Schuh09:04:26 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I took the freedom to continue your work in a github repo: https://github.com/xeroc/awesome-bitshares It uses the well-known "awesome-*" pattern ... pull requests welcome .. Hoping to move the repo to bitshares org if the team agrees

Slavi09:07:36 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

A nice idea.

givi09:07:51 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Inappropriate design.Rossul style was copied by the waves? He never traded on the stock exchange. How can he do it well? How much does this work cost?) Now the best view👍

Digital Lucife®09:12:16 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

givi

Inappropriate design.Rossul style was copied by the waves? He never traded on the stock exchange. How can he do it well? How much does this work cost?) Now the best view👍

Rossul actually did quite a few trading solutions to traditional forex/fx clients without relations to the blockchain - so experience is there. On the other side, limits and integration itself is being done by GL, so I dont have worries. Seeing design - its catchy, innovative and good UX (easy to navigate/use)

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iammoretti

Binance Is Delisting The Following Coins Incase You're Holding Any. 👇🏾 WINGS, CLOAk, MOD, SALT & SUB

This is bitshares, not binance

Fredrick Moretti09:30:45 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

This is bitshares, not binance

Understood just thought sharing it might help

inder10:01:41 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hi, how to withdraw bts from poloniex to bitshares wallet, in address can i submit my wallet name, and in memo what to fill???

Stefan10:03:55 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mgsre

hi, how to withdraw bts from poloniex to bitshares wallet, in address can i submit my wallet name, and in memo what to fill???

You want to send the BTS you have in Poloniex in your own BitShares account?

inder10:04:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

You want to send the BTS you have in Poloniex in your own BitShares account?

yes

Crypto Kong10:05:05 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Instructions should be provided by poloniex

Crypto Kong10:05:30 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

With binance a memo is not needed but polo could be different

inder10:05:35 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

my account name in bitshares wallet in alphabetical + numeric, it it ok to fill in poloniex bts withdraw add resd

Stefan10:06:22 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What are the instructions within poloniex ?

Stefan10:06:42 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If they want a BitShares Address or Wallet, they mean your BitShares Account Name

inder10:06:50 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

What are the instructions within poloniex ?

polo wants bts address and memo

nutela10:07:39 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

so requires trust

They won’t even improve on that?

George (Bitspark)10:08:42 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mgsre

polo wants bts address and memo

it means account name

Alex M - clockwork10:08:51 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

They won’t even improve on that?

they plan to...dont know when or how

George (Bitspark)10:08:56 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

address is default text for all coins coz theyre lazy to change the wording

Crypto Kong10:10:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Mgsre

polo wants bts address and memo

Screen shot

Crypto Kong10:11:19 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I cant see why a memo is needed for wothdrawel

Valera Cogut10:11:31 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

1st try the minimum amount

Valera Cogut10:11:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as test

Crypto Kong10:12:07 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

valeracogut

1st try the minimum amount

☝☝

inder10:19:39 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

address is default text for all coins coz theyre lazy to change the wording

IS PLEASE CHECK PM

nutela10:21:16 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

they plan to...dont know when or how

How about we are faster?

nutela10:21:37 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can we learn something from Lightening Network?

Fabian Schuh10:22:07 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

don't think so ..

Digital Lucife®10:22:07 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I cant see why a memo is needed for withdrawel

Probably gateway is using memo to peg account doing withdrawal

Digital Lucife®10:22:51 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

withdrawals are just transfers at the end of the day with the ping to the API of coldstorage to process - bots with 1 entry and 1 exit point - both ways.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:23:14 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ihormillion

Digital please correct me if I’m wrong but Art Lebedev is non-reasonable expensive studio.

Yeah, but so was the Scorum proposal. And we were hmm, lets see if Art Lebedev is going to be more or less expensive, at least they have the expertise. And it turns out they were less expensive.

ИМ

Игорь Миллион10:23:48 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

Yeah, but so was the Scorum proposal. And we were hmm, lets see if Art Lebedev is going to be more or less expensive, at least they have the expertise. And it turns out they were less expensive.

amazing 🤣

inder10:23:57 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

don't think so ..

pls check pm

Digital Lucife®10:24:25 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Im really supportive towards anyone realistic, humble and deterministic. Those people aren't - in my own personal opinion.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:24:31 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

As I said, it started as a joke.

Digital Lucife®10:24:42 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:26:46 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But then one of our friends (who is working with Rossul) approached with a proposition to do something unrelated for bitshares rudex, if we would be interested to help fund it. We got talking and it turned out he's working for a well known UX company. So one thing led to another, and Rossul & GL collaboration worker proposal was born.

nutela10:27:25 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

Cool, did you write a blog?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:27:53 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Much more reasonable, as it includes implementing the design. And we've worked a ton with GL, so we knew what to expect, and decided to support their proposal (help with formulating it and doing all the steps required so it went up for voting).

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:28:11 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Cool, did you write a blog?

Nope. I am not much of a blogger :D

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:28:25 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(Although I know that I should write a blog).

Stefan10:31:51 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I always thought Rudex and GL are the same 😁

Dima BLCKCHND10:33:39 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I always thought Rudex and GL are the same 😁

Nope, but some of our team works close with GL projects as advisors and contractors

Dima BLCKCHND10:34:07 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we are (blckchnd) ia a bridge in this case

Dima BLCKCHND10:34:41 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and have nothing (except future UI) from this worker

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:34:44 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We did collaborate with them to launch Blockchained EOS BP, as we're comfortable working with them.

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:35:43 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We were the people who got founder of GL acquainted with Graphene, more or less. So they also like us. :D

Stefan10:35:56 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

We were the people who got founder of GL acquainted with Graphene, more or less. So they also like us. :D

😃

givi10:40:11 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I always thought Rudex and GL are the same 😁

..they're brothers. don't tell anyone😁

inder10:42:41 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

and have nothing (except future UI) from this worker

please check pm

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca10:44:23 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

givi

..they're brothers. don't tell anyone😁

Siamese twins? :D

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Kristin Low11:18:05 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/tiny/bitusd-hasnt-had-its-1-peg-for-more-than-two-months/

Kristin Low11:18:11 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

FYI, some coverage on The Block

Nelson Edwin11:18:17 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kristin Low11:18:27 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

References the bitmex article, somewhat annoyingly.

Stefan11:21:52 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"The mechanism to hold the $1 peg was psychological." puke

Kristin Low11:23:01 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yyyyyyyyyep.

Kristin Low11:23:10 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Immensely frustrating.

givi11:53:50 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

Siamese twins? :D

probably very similar https://themeforest.net/item/arvid-bootstrap-cryptocurrency-admin-dashboard-html-template/23247105?s_rank=36

Crypto Kong12:52:54 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/mdudas/status/1096341325736235009?s=19

Crypto Kong12:53:07 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Feel free to add your comments to the writers tweet

R13:03:01 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Done

Crypto Kong13:04:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👍

funkit13:13:11 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's time to fix the peg for ever.

Crypto Kong13:15:03 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

People bidding on debt would help

Crypto Kong13:15:10 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No one seems interested

Crypto Kong13:15:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hoping some whale sweeps in and puts in a massive bid

Alex M - clockwork13:23:38 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Hoping some whale sweeps in and puts in a massive bid

i'm waiting till we're almost 9 cents :P

Alex M - clockwork13:23:44 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

(along with everyone else)

funkit13:23:52 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Within a few days it's back to normal is my hunch.

Crypto Kong13:26:29 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i'm waiting till we're almost 9 cents :P

I think whales will jump in way before then

Crypto Kong13:26:39 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Dont miss your opportunity 😜

Crypto Kong13:27:01 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

6 cents and things should get interesting i reckon

Crypto Kong13:28:02 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Im gonna stagger bids at various prices so hopefully a couple get accepted

Alex M - clockwork13:44:30 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

6 cents is +50%

Alex M - clockwork13:44:39 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

interestign is an understatement

Stefan13:55:52 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you bid now you "lose" bts if revived

Stefan13:56:07 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you bid when peg is > 1.1 you "get" bts on revival

Alex M - clockwork14:08:35 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/1096378953655291910

Alex M - clockwork14:08:40 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

interesting

Crypto Kong14:23:43 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

If you bid now you "lose" bts if revived

That depends what price you bid at surely? Now your making me doubt my whole understanding of this process lol

Stefan14:24:48 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you bid at 0.7usd peg and it revives instantly you took over a position that lacked 0.3 usd which you filled up out of your own pocket

Alex M - clockwork14:24:59 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Υεσ

Alex M - clockwork14:25:02 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes

Alex M - clockwork14:25:12 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But if it was revived instantly

Stefan14:25:23 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you bid at 1.3usd peg you get a position with 0.3usd collateral ontop of it for "free"

Alex M - clockwork14:25:29 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It means you bid a few m worth of bts

Alex M - clockwork14:25:44 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or someone else did

Crypto Kong14:26:09 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Im so confused

Fabian Schuh14:26:22 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you *hold* BTS and use them for bidding, nothing really changes whether you bid now or later ..

Stefan14:26:37 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Key is if it revives

Crypto Kong14:26:47 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If i bid 500 bts to take on a $25000 debt and the asset is revived and my bid accepted how do i lose bts?

Fabian Schuh14:26:50 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

rather "when"

Fabian Schuh14:27:00 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

If i bid 500 bts to take on a $25000 debt and the asset is revived and my bid accepted how do i lose bts?

you don't

Crypto Kong14:27:07 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok thanks

Crypto Kong14:27:20 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Steffan over complicating things 😜

Fabian Schuh14:27:22 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no matter what you do .. if you help revive, and you bid is filled, you will end up with BTS being tied in a collateral contract

Alex M - clockwork14:27:35 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What happens after is the key

Crypto Kong14:27:41 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Steffan over complicating things 😜

I thought marko was the only one who did that to me lol

Alex M - clockwork14:27:53 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you get margin called right after

Fabian Schuh14:28:11 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you lose up to 10%

Fabian Schuh14:28:18 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

assuming someone buys from margin call

funkit14:28:25 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Isn't there a risk of being insta-called if the bid is low?

Crypto Kong14:28:36 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Isn't there a risk of being insta-called if the bid is low?

Yep

Alex M - clockwork14:28:38 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes

Fabian Schuh14:28:42 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes ..

Crypto Kong14:28:57 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wether the call gets filled is anothet matter

funkit14:29:12 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So better be sure to follow the situation

Fabian Schuh14:29:17 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that's why (when you bid) you define your collateral surplus and the debt .. so you can make sure your position has some extra when revived

funkit14:29:43 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Then I wait.

Crypto Kong14:30:34 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyone else concerned people will get low bids filled, price keeps going up allowing them to release more BTS than they put in and then price dumping and people leaving the bad positions and forgetting bout them cos they already pulled out profit?

Stefan14:31:56 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If BitUSD is "worth" 0.7 usd right now and I bid enough for instant revival and then manage to immediately close the position after revival, I would end up with roughly 30% less BTS than before

Fabian Schuh14:32:30 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you cannot *close* your position unless you buy up all the bitUSD you have a debt position for ..

Stefan14:32:46 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

you cannot *close* your position unless you buy up all the bitUSD you have a debt position for ..

Theoretically of course

Stefan14:33:11 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If I do the same with 1.3 peg, I end up with roughly 30% more at the end

Fabian Schuh14:33:43 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

correct :D

Stefan14:34:28 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

My point is I'm not surprised no whale is bidding yet

Fabian Schuh14:35:13 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes .. takes a hyper super bull to do that now :D

funkit14:36:42 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have the feeling it is soon. There is a whole different sentiment.

Crypto Kong14:38:13 - 15 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I have the feeling it is soon. There is a whole different sentiment.

I agree... people seem a lot more focussed on accumulating than worrying about waiting for a further drop now

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