Bitshares DEX Telegram History

Javez Bitcoin20:47:24 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Please if you sell bitcoin kindly inbox me I have been scammed by 2people I sent 100$ they block me

funkit20:50:27 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

My new lambo has a tight entrance

nutela20:50:41 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I guess it’s getting late 😂

Alfredo Garcia20:52:43 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

what do you guys think on replacing the blocktivy table from bitshares.org and add a kibana dashboard in an iframe, something like https://bitshares-kibana.info/app/kibana#/dashboard/567eebf0-3538-11e9-a90f-99c6e9ca5988?embed=true&_g=(refreshInterval:(display:Off,pause:!f,value:0),time:(from:now-4y,mode:relative,to:now))

nutela20:52:44 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Glad that Santa is not animated 😂

nutela20:53:36 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

Loads pretty long…

Alfredo Garcia20:53:43 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or something else, i was ok with blocktivity when we were #1

Alfredo Garcia20:54:00 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but i dont think we should promote other coins in our home page

Alfredo Garcia20:54:48 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Loads pretty long…

yea, well, it is loading all history, if i get the last month should be a lot faster

Alfredo Garcia20:55:06 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but as the table is pretty down in the website

nutela20:55:23 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

yea, well, it is loading all history, if i get the last month should be a lot faster

Cool, what is the homepage? BitShares.org?

funkit20:55:27 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I like those kinds of statistics.

Alfredo Garcia20:55:28 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if we place it there it will be loading until the user gets down there

Alfredo Garcia20:55:42 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Cool, what is the homepage? BitShares.org?

yea

Javez Bitcoin20:55:49 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you have bitcoin for sell kindly DM me I have just been scam by 2people 100$ both I can't afford too

Alfredo Garcia20:55:53 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we are currently promoting eos as the fastest blockchain ...

Javez Bitcoin20:56:04 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alfredo Garcia20:56:09 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i dont care about that, i want to put bitshares stuff in our homepage

nutela20:56:13 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I was complaining the whole DPOS story on how.bitshares.works has no references.. the examples are poor and the sources aren’t even named...

funkit20:56:14 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

EOS just eats my time.

nutela20:56:44 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Maybe EOS was just the right kick in tha butt for BitShares

funkit20:56:45 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Talk to lucy about it, Alfredo

nutela20:56:59 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Everyone bites the dust… 😂

Alfredo Garcia20:58:19 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the loading bar of kibana will need to change to blue and some other adjustments will have to be made to make it look good. the stats are not maybe those ones i selected

Stefan20:59:11 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

EOS just eats my time.

Whatcha doin there?

Alfredo Garcia20:59:26 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

let me make a quick test to check how it can look ...

Alfredo Garcia21:00:05 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if i dont care about eos you can imagine how much i care about WAX

Alfredo Garcia21:00:12 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

currently second in blocktivity and in our homepage

Alfredo Garcia21:01:07 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i also think that the article in fortunejack and others should be added to the media section of Press & Community News

Alfredo Garcia21:01:12 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

at bitshares.org

Alfredo Garcia21:01:44 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

also, a signup should be completed, think they were working on it but the page is too static right now

nutela21:02:51 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

also, a signup should be completed, think they were working on it but the page is too static right now

Was about to say to put it at the begining

nutela21:08:45 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Good night all

Alfredo Garcia22:42:37 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

something like this is what i think, scroll down to the blocktivity section: https://open-explorer.io/bitshareshome/ it need of course some changes in the kibana side: - background should be removed or changed from grey to blue. - add filter section should be removed. - loading bar should be blue instead of pink. - research what will be the best stats to add.

Alex M - clockwork22:53:31 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

i like it

Alfredo Garcia22:55:42 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i think i can make it look good with some effort

Kristin Low22:59:32 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

tamami has done a great job considering it's just her :)

Agreed. New docs are genuinely rad.

funkit23:01:22 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can you speed it up a little? It takes some time to render. Also looking at it on a phone is kind of pointless. A reduced set of metrics would be preferable.

Alex M - clockwork23:04:02 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

either do last X time stats (would be faster)

Alex M - clockwork23:04:22 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or need to find a way to cache results somewhat (harder since the site is github served)

Alfredo Garcia23:08:24 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the site is not github served currently

Alfredo Garcia23:08:50 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but is what i want also, i want to change a date of the new core release so need to ask @murda_ra to do it

Alfredo Garcia23:09:00 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we should be able to do it ourselves

Alex M - clockwork23:09:12 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ah ok

Alex M - clockwork23:09:21 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

btw

Alex M - clockwork23:09:30 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

can you link me the visualisation?

Alex M - clockwork23:09:44 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i wanna copy the definition over to my es node

Alex M - clockwork23:09:51 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

see how it performs there

Alfredo Garcia23:12:06 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://bitshares-kibana.info/app/kibana#/management/kibana/objects?_g=(refreshInterval:('$$hashKey':'object:535',display:Off,pause:!f,section:0,value:0),time:(from:now-4y,mode:relative,to:now))&_a=(tab:dashboards)

Alfredo Garcia23:12:13 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you can export the dashboard from there and import

Alex M - clockwork23:14:30 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah i know

Alex M - clockwork23:15:46 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hmm

Alex M - clockwork23:15:48 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nah

Alex M - clockwork23:15:50 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

timeouts

Alex M - clockwork23:16:54 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork23:17:02 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its using es-objects as well eh?

Alex M - clockwork23:18:30 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the rest is quite fast on my setup

Alex M - clockwork23:18:47 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but i dont have es objects added yet (need to sort that out soon with the new release)

Alex M - clockwork23:19:28 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

http://bts-es.clockwork.gr:8001/goto/339670d3bd0d8a896169c9c3425aae43

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Alfredo Garcia23:33:55 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

but i dont have es objects added yet (need to sort that out soon with the new release)

same can be done without the objects just counting the ops

Alfredo Garcia23:34:01 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i will change if that is faster

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Crypto Kong23:53:04 - 20 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Need one of these for bitshares 😀

Ostriv Scarbov01:00:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@bnbcrypto sub on my channel first day 🎂

Zealous Wang02:46:19 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello, I tried to install Bitshares-UI on my linux computer, and tried to withdraw OPEN.DOGE using openledger gateway. But it does not work, and I inspected, browser console says` "TypeError: Cannot read property 'getIn' of null at Object._get_memo_keys (ApplicationApi.js:87) at ApplicationApi.js:149 TypeError: Cannot read property 'transfer_op' of undefined at ApplicationApi.js:270 "` Anyone knows solution for this?

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Emma Norah05:16:43 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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patinity06:31:45 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so, wat news about bitBTC revieve?

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patinity06:46:38 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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nutela08:28:26 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Good morning!

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:37:39 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

Very nice. Just in time for new beta release: https://www.elastic.co/blog/mongodb-monitoring-with-packetbeat-and-elasticsearch https://www.elastic.co/blog/elastic-stack-7-0-0-beta1-released https://www.elastic.co/blog/kibana-7-0-0-beta1-released https://www.elastic.co/blog/elasticsearch-7-0-0-beta1-released

Christian Olsen10:49:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Bitshares is way too open for a bank. About 100 reasons why. Bank wants company X to sell them a thing that they can use to do something related to a blockchain

But they could still use Bitshares with their long aml to make their own whitelisted accounts

Bojack11:10:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bojack11:11:06 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This should be great

R11:14:09 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

If it can load fast enough it could be worth it, were like 3rd or 4th on blocktivity so that advertises other cryptos ahead of bitshares instead of promoting solely bitshares stats. Perhaps a summarised version of blocktivity ie "Bitshares is currently x place on blocktivity with y ops/24hrs" alongside the kibana dashboard interface? Iframes might get blocked by people though?

Alfredo Garcia11:15:51 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yea, well, not sure if iframes will be possible in the bitshares.org site according to @murda_ra so it will probably haves to be something else

Alfredo Garcia11:16:07 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but i think we should replace the blocktivity

Digital Lucife®11:16:58 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

but i think we should replace the blocktivity

What about this

Digital Lucife®11:20:40 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ive sent you PM, think about it - cant post pic in here

Ricardo Ferreira (@thecryptodrive)11:36:11 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey everyone, just wanted to share some good news, thanks to the hard work of their team, CoinGecko has now integrated cryptofresh data so any BTS asset can be listed with them, a good example is our The BUILDTEAM token which just got listed on CoinGecko, this is a win for Bitshares and Steem! https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/buildteam

Stefan11:36:54 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thecryptodrive

CryptoFresh is horribly out of sync. You got a contact to their tech team?

Ricardo Ferreira (@thecryptodrive)11:37:15 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah i can get hold of roadscape

Ricardo Ferreira (@thecryptodrive)11:37:41 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is there a better alternative to cryptofresh?

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca11:40:33 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bts.ai, and there are several other block explorers

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:41:21 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bts.ai Bitsharescan.com http://bitshares-explorer.io/#/dashboard open-explorer.io https://bitshares-scanner.org

Ricardo Ferreira (@thecryptodrive)11:42:26 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok cool thanks, i have contacted roadscape anyway

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:42:33 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Open Source https://statoshi.info

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:11:39 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

For BitShares marketing - huge list of cryptcurrency news sites: https://cryptolinks.com/cryptocurrency-news

Mathew12:27:17 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

For BitShares marketing - huge list of cryptcurrency news sites: https://cryptolinks.com/cryptocurrency-news

Cool cheers!

Danielle Karen S14:07:15 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Danielekaren

Good morning!

Good morning too...

kenCode14:53:25 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thecryptodrive

the uptime of this api is way better though imo: https://github.com/oxarbitrage/bitshares-explorer-api

kenCode14:54:05 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Xanoxt

bts.ai, and there are several other block explorers

i love bts.ai too but that site is rarely accessible for me :(

kenCode14:56:47 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

For BitShares marketing - huge list of cryptcurrency news sites: https://cryptolinks.com/cryptocurrency-news

wow awesome resource!! i really wish Bitshares had a news page too that writers could contribute to. something like news.bitshares.org

Fabian Schuh14:59:27 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@xeroc/awesome-bitshares-has-a-new-home

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kenCode15:26:37 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@xeroc/awesome-bitshares-has-a-new-home

Excellent page thank you 💪🏼🤠 Many of the github links are here as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4Nh1xXwnMLeplCaHXTZlOAJmI8otB5HUK90mRXe7lk/edit#gid=0

Stefan15:28:57 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Coincidence? 😁

fractalnode15:42:29 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hey guys, I have a question. BP in EOS were to select the next BP on the shortest route and this was one of the arguments for which it was possible to reduce the block time from 3 seconds to 0.5 seconds. However, this happens alphabetically, which is generally still not the shortest way. Are there any algorithmic problems for BP to find the shortest path around the globe?

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nutela16:10:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://www.amazon.com/Decentralized-Exchanges-exchange-BitShares-started-ebook/dp/B07HJFL5JR/ref=sr_1_2?crid=A3UWYD2QRLIM&keywords=bitshares&qid=1550765402&s=gateway&sprefix=bitshare%2Caps%2C596&sr=8-2 👌

nutela16:11:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi guys I wanted to paste a link to a book about BitShares?

nutela16:11:57 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Decentralized Exchanges: Crypto exchange BitShares getting started. Kindle Edition by Tom Yeomans (Author)

nutela16:12:02 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This book talks about decentralized exchanges like BitShares. This short instructional on setting up a free trading account on a decentralized exchange. Trading without a broker acting as middleman means your fees are massively reduced. Using a decentralized exchange is different than what a forex trader is used to. It explains step by step how to use Bitshares unique platform. See my youtube where I make almost three times my investment in a few months using the Renminbi. https://youtu.be/XlyqjEX_1oA

nutela16:30:34 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But no programming books about Graphene or BitShares?

kenCode16:43:51 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

But no programming books about Graphene or BitShares?

https://books.google.com.mx/books/about/C++_For_Dummies.html?id=-hMTzvUybLoC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Virtual Growth17:31:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👍🙏

nutela17:41:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

https://books.google.com.mx/books/about/C++_For_Dummies.html?id=-hMTzvUybLoC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thanks mate!

kenCode17:41:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if you're a front end guy, you might want to learn JS or Dart though

kenCode17:42:13 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

or a mobile guy, then learn java, swift and Dart

nutela17:46:01 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not sure, what excites me is consensus. Game theory.

nutela17:46:50 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When I was in Apple land I was in a walled garden, I quickly learned I didn’t want to be a follower but rather stay an inventor.

Alex M - clockwork17:47:32 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Not sure, what excites me is consensus. Game theory.

More math than programming

nutela17:50:04 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

More math than programming

Exactly, I’d love to quickly model stuff.. I liked R for biz / data intelligence but I had MatLab in school, loved that shell where you can program something quick and see if you are on the right track… Had not use for Matlab though...

Stefan18:15:51 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

❤️ math

nutela18:21:19 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thinking I’ll read some books about crypto and game theory. I think it’s better to leave the expert programming to the experts but go the business intelligence aka analytics route and do some game theory modelling on real data perhaps. IOW learn from past cryptoprojects. Even BM wrote in 2016 that PoW is not so bad after all… and even EOS still has a whale problems so the distribution in DPOS has not been solved yet.

nutela18:23:24 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Love these answers about why C++ is used for blockchain programming. https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/48414/why-is-bitcoin-written-in-c

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Ricardo Ferreira (@thecryptodrive)19:22:57 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@sschiessl , roadscape is asking what part of cryptofresh is out of sync.

John R19:48:28 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

If you're thinking about crypto + game theory I would be curious as to your thoughts re: Richard Heart's drop on btc holders - https://bitcoinhex.com/

nutela19:50:14 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

John R

If you're thinking about crypto + game theory I would be curious as to your thoughts re: Richard Heart's drop on btc holders - https://bitcoinhex.com/

I was looking for learning resources so I don’t have an opinion.

nutela20:01:04 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I’m wondering what incentive people have to stake or lock funds on BitShares?

nutela20:03:09 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A stablecoin is good for payments, a volatile coin is good for trading.. You don’t make money on the stablecoin if you are holding it…

nutela20:04:53 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It seems short term gain is more more profitable on BitShares?

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John R20:35:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I’m wondering what incentive people have to stake or lock funds on BitShares?

For duration? As far as game theory. There is none. If you margin bts for bitUSD you get a perpetual option for a 'usd' worth of bts. You can sell that option or trade it for something else. Useful for speculating on the price of bts, if you're into that kind of thing. The elders here know more about old plans to incentivize margin-holders with nominal returns. Before my time though.

R20:36:04 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I’m wondering what incentive people have to stake or lock funds on BitShares?

Norns? 👌

nutela20:36:46 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

John R

So that makes BTS more volatile and what’s the incentive to create stablecoins then?

nutela20:37:12 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Seems a feedback loop is wrong here.. or missing a counter weight?

John R20:39:55 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Norns? 👌

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings.

R20:40:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

John R

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings.

The smartcoins not the entities ;D

Once Uponatime20:41:59 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

This scam is ongoing!!! And people still falling for it: 1.11.762310538 TRANSFER toolate1488 sent 330 BTS to openledger-security 2019-02-21 20:26:39

Stefan20:42:45 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Release candidate is almost ready.

Stefan20:43:06 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Took a bit longer to sort out standing issues due to UI worker being basically inactive in since last week

nutela20:43:11 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Norns? 👌

What are norns?

R20:44:01 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

What are norns?

https://github.com/BTS-CM/Norns/blob/master/about.md

Crypto Kong20:46:18 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

So that makes BTS more volatile and what’s the incentive to create stablecoins then? Is what I’m thinking..

There should absolutly be an incentive for creating smartcoims

Crypto Kong20:46:56 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At the moment the only new blood looking to create stablecoins are gamblers and thats not healthy

R20:47:27 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

At the moment the only new blood looking to create stablecoins are gamblers and thats not healthy

Wouldn't say that was entirely true, bootstrapping new smartcoins is difficult

Crypto Kong20:48:20 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When i say creating new stablecoins i mean borrowing bitusd into existance for example

Crypto Kong20:48:29 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not creating things like norns

Crypto Kong20:50:15 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Even 0% trade fees for those who borrow into existance x amount would help

Crypto Kong20:50:28 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At the moment its all risk little reward

Crypto Kong20:51:24 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If it wasnt for the people who got in early creating smartcoins there would be vittually no liquidity

nutela20:56:22 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Even 0% trade fees for those who borrow into existance x amount would help

Oh that’s a interesting idea!

nutela20:57:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How about more voting power if you stake BTS for a longer time? Or even when you put up the collateral for smartcoins?

nutela20:58:03 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Then you literally stake for more influence on development of BitShares…

Crypto Kong21:00:31 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I actually think you should loose voting power if bts is tied up as collateral

Crypto Kong21:01:24 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In a bull run you can use your bts to borrow usd to buy bts and add it to your collateral pile, artificially increasing your voting weight

nutela21:01:40 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I actually think you should loose voting power if bts is tied up as collateral

Hmm why?

Crypto Kong21:01:49 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

See above

John R21:02:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Richard Heart is making bitcoin hex because he's saying CDs don't exist on the blockchain. That's not true. It would be technically trivial for BTS network to award a % return to BTS stakers who hold for a period of time. That would in effect be a CD.

John R21:02:40 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

When i say creating new stablecoins i mean borrowing bitusd into existance for example

I think this is what you're talking about

nutela21:03:13 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

In a bull run you can use your bts to borrow usd to buy bts and add it to your collateral pile, artificially increasing your voting weight

That’s not logical since you need more BTS to buy the smartcoin no?

Crypto Kong21:03:16 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BTS holders should have a choice, use their BTS to profit or for power, not both. They should be offered a financial reward to create smartcoins but lose voting power. Choice is theirs.

nutela21:03:52 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I see.

nutela21:04:15 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

That’s not logical since you need more BTS to buy the smartcoin no?

Well, indeed you are right but it seems risky..

Crypto Kong21:04:16 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

That’s not logical since you need more BTS to buy the smartcoin no?

No. You use your bts as collateral to borrow bitusd. You then go to market with your bitusd and buy more bts, thus artificially increasing your voting weight

nutela21:04:29 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

No. You use your bts as collateral to borrow bitusd. You then go to market with your bitusd and buy more bts, thus artificially increasing your voting weight

Right.

Crypto Kong21:05:04 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is risky and it enables reckless risk rakers to have more say in tge direction bitshares takes

nutela21:05:05 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So in that sense you profit the more BTS you have when there is a bull market.

Crypto Kong21:05:32 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ignore profit

nutela21:05:34 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And what about the other case, down trend?

Crypto Kong21:05:45 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Profit only happens when you close positions

nutela21:05:46 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What keeps people from selling BTS?

Crypto Kong21:05:58 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What?

nutela21:06:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Profit only happens when you close positions

Yeah so you even out the market.

nutela21:06:47 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

What?

In a down trend you want people to hold on, not sell everything, making volatility even bigger? Or maybe volatility is a good thing...

Crypto Kong21:07:08 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think your missing the point

Crypto Kong21:08:19 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

At the moment the only incentive for serious amounts of smartcoins to be borrowed into existance is by large holders gambling or artificially increasing their voting weight. Both are reckless.

nutela21:08:27 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I guess the standard is to sell for bitUSD and rebuy, making huge swings in BTS.

nutela21:08:41 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But that incentivezes whales...

Crypto Kong21:08:57 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It incentivizes reckless whales

nutela21:09:07 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The more you have the more power.. There should be a counter weight if you want more people to get in...

nutela21:09:17 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

It incentivizes reckless whales

Exactly.

Crypto Kong21:09:19 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Recklessness should not have anything to do with a monetary supply

Crypto Kong21:09:44 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or the governance of our platform

nutela21:10:53 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

OK so we agree you either stake and don’t get to vote or trade and get to vote...

nutela21:11:09 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nah I’m getting tired..

Crypto Kong21:11:41 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So incentives that force users to make a choice should be built into bitshares. Use your BTS for governance or for financial risk taking. Not both. If your BTS is tied up as collateral you get a financial reward but you cant vote with it.

Crypto Kong21:11:53 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

OK so we agree you either stake and don’t get to vote or trade and get to vote...

Pretty much

fav21:21:51 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/bitemaster7/status/1098388450359689216?s=19 bm is mad af heh

Stefan21:25:33 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why delete the tweet fav?

Stefan21:25:52 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Btw. EOS was advertised at the launch event in New York. That's gonna haunt them eventually

Once Uponatime21:27:43 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Btw. EOS was advertised at the launch event in New York. That's gonna haunt them eventually

Won't hurt BEOS 😁

fav21:31:41 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Why delete the tweet fav?

Imposter account, not the real bm

fav21:31:49 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sadly

fav21:31:53 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

😂

nutela21:34:23 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

Imposter account, not the real bm

bite-master 😂

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Ronny Boesing22:55:03 - 21 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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This scam is ongoing!!! And people still falling for it: 1.11.762310538 TRANSFER toolate1488 sent 330 BTS to openledger-security 2019-02-21 20:26:39

if you look closely the registrar of openledger-security is the same person sending bts named toolate, so the scammer is trying to atrract attention same as the scammers creating assets and trading themselves back and forth. proposals are creating by this same scammer and only confirms to not approve whatever proposale is suggested but make sure it is from a validated source, and by simply checking the origin of this acount it gives indication what kind of account it is as it toolate1488 being the registrar. So to make it clear, people are not falling for it and hopefully users will always stay cuatious and clever.

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nutela08:49:52 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

anyone good with graphics fancy making one of these for bitshares?

You mean this ecosystem? 😂

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Mathew09:00:00 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

This scam is ongoing!!! And people still falling for it: 1.11.762310538 TRANSFER toolate1488 sent 330 BTS to openledger-security 2019-02-21 20:26:39

FFS

Mathew09:01:06 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I hate seeing people scammed like this, is inevitably the people with not much BTS or understanding of the system as well...they know enough to get a small holding that should pay off for them big in the future when we actually get some traction and their fucked over like this, it's completely shit

Mathew09:02:17 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

By some douche bag who will inevitably just dump the BTS on the market and make their exit. Uncool all round. Decentralisation has risks I guess, we just need to keep making the wallet better to help people protect themselves as best we can...it's a learning curve

fav09:31:18 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Education is key

funkit09:43:59 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I recon the next wave will be cryptobridge-security.

Bl_nK10:05:07 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

anyone good with graphics fancy making one of these for bitshares?

Is there a list of categorised content somewhere?

Crypto Kong10:07:34 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4Nh1xXwnMLeplCaHXTZlOAJmI8otB5HUK90mRXe7lk/edit?usp=sharing

Crypto Kong10:07:34 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://github.com/xeroc/awesome-bitshares

Crypto Kong10:07:46 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bl_nK1

Is there a list of categorised content somewhere?

See above 2 links

Fabian Schuh10:13:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

https://github.com/xeroc/awesome-bitshares

FYI, i moved that repo to the bitshares github organization yesterday

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Stefan10:40:14 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

Wonder what red and blue means

funkit10:42:29 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And what metrics are used?

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:43:07 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

And what metrics are used?

https://datalight.me/blog/tutorials/hype-index/

Btc Script10:44:48 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

...

Ronny Boesing10:47:42 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Komodo is down 12 times since jan 2018 so not sure where the hype is

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:49:35 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ronnyb

Komodo is down 12 times since jan 2018 so not sure where the hype is

https://unhashed.com/cryptocurrency-news/komodo-ama-fairbank-partnerships-exposure/

funkit10:50:33 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Google trends gives a slight declining interest. Not surprisingly since it's crypto winter. It also surprises me EOS isn't mentioned given the steady stream of "influencers" joining the ranks.

Stefan10:51:55 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@funkit You are quite familiar with EOS ongoings, correcT?

funkit10:52:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not really. I play with it.

Stefan10:53:04 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Not really. I play with it.

Hmpf, ok :)

funkit10:53:37 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

by comparison I have over twice the funds in BTS.

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:59:06 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Hmpf, ok :)

https://blockchainreporter.net/2019/02/19/scatter-choose-eos-as-the-ideal-coin-for-porting-games/ https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tapatalk-unlocks-value-of-forum-ecosystem-with-blockchain-powered-microeconomies-300799591.html https://cryptoinsider.com/reddit-eos-token/ https://twitter.com/effectaix/status/1098582197194375171

Stefan10:59:42 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hehe thanks.

Stefan10:59:56 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What I was interested in is what happened to ECAF and how current arbitration looks on EOS

nutela11:03:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I recon the next wave will be cryptobridge-security.

What do they have what is so special?

funkit11:04:07 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You don't seem to have understood the context

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:05:50 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

What I was interested in is what happened to ECAF and how current arbitration looks on EOS

Old vid but good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbLC8flXMQ&feature=youtu.be https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/99mhsl/free_market_dispute_resolution_on_eos_identifying/

funkit11:05:58 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Context being: 1. Phishing activity from account "commitee-security" 2. Yesterday I noticed "openledger-security" 3. the logical next step is then given

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nutela11:12:43 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

You don't seem to have understood the context

Talking to me?

nutela11:13:11 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Context being: 1. Phishing activity from account "commitee-security" 2. Yesterday I noticed "openledger-security" 3. the logical next step is then given

If so I don’t really know much about CryptoBridge, hence I asked.

nutela11:13:18 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wasn’t sarcasm or anything

nutela11:13:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Genuine question 😂

nutela11:13:39 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I thought they had like a good security model or something

funkit11:13:42 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's just the largest gateway by volume

nutela11:14:04 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ah ok, so next target, CB, gotcha

Wehrrr11:14:25 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Actually holding and using smartcoins make a lot of sense nutela

nutela11:14:34 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BTW talking about EOS, just learned their blockchain reached 4TB...

Wehrrr11:14:54 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Let's say you need to buy a dishwasher

Wehrrr11:15:52 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You don't want to lose your precious crypto so you need to borrow money. You lock 150% of your assets, but you can buy the dishwasher with the borrowed funds and still enjoy the advantages of crypto - aka it moves. If it gets collateralized it's just like you would sell it. The big difference is in when.

nutela11:19:03 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Werhhh

Until GS happened 😂

nutela11:19:29 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah I know the basic premise of BitShares. Long vs. short right?

nutela11:19:37 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you hold BTS = long

nutela11:19:49 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you hold bitUSD = short

nutela11:22:15 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I was thinking about it yesterday, I like Kowala’s model. They don’t have collateral, instead they print kUSD when there’s too much downward trend IIRC and burn if there’s too much kUSD. I think it’s the opposite what you would do to safe BTS but for your stablecoin… Is there a fee __per__ coin? Can coins have their own fees?

nutela11:23:34 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I’ll be back in an hour.

Fabian Schuh11:41:29 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

BTW talking about EOS, just learned their blockchain reached 4TB...

What? Can you share your source?

nutela12:25:39 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/uHLClohbKrc

nutela12:25:39 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@xeroc

nutela12:27:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

4tb for full history

nutela12:27:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@xeroc

Fabian Schuh12:31:26 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Oh .. well .. that's no wonder :D

R12:35:04 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BigQuery account history plugin? Size isn't a problem though queries may be slow

R12:37:21 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Public real-time bigquery table/datasets would be really cool

nutela12:37:37 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

Oh .. well .. that's no wonder :D

How is BitShares handeling blochchain size growth? I thought with Dan’s DPOS all needed to be in RAM?

Fabian Schuh12:38:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

How is BitShares handeling blochchain size growth? I thought with Dan’s DPOS all needed to be in RAM?

Only a fraction of that data requires to be in ram ..

Fabian Schuh12:38:46 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

basically, there is "conensus data" (requires to be in ram) and "historical data" (not required to be in RAM)

nutela12:38:47 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

Only a fraction of that data requires to be in ram ..

Ah..

nutela12:39:09 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

basically, there is "conensus data" (requires to be in ram) and "historical data" (not required to be in RAM)

OK I see..

Fabian Schuh12:39:12 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Peter Conrad (@pc), for instance, improved the "account history" of bitshares to not store all items ..

Fabian Schuh12:39:29 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if you look through existing API nodes .. most of them only store 100-200 items in your account history ..

Fabian Schuh12:39:45 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

consequence is that the RAM requitements go down from like 400GB to only some 15GB or so ..

Fabian Schuh12:40:18 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

additionally to that, we have an ElasticSearch plugin (developed from Alfred @oxarbitrage) that stores your account history on disk in an ES database that allows nicer queries ..

nutela12:41:49 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nice, I’m reading Mastering Bitcoin because it’s easier to just have everything in one place and I have to start somewhere. All the details of which are thought like storing keys and getting just half the size with Eliptic curve, that is marveling to read about.

Fabian Schuh12:42:50 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I do have a presentation lying around somewhere that goes into the math of ECC and keys :D

Fabian Schuh12:42:56 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

quite heavy math

nutela12:43:04 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I never knew how exactly UTXO worked until I read how everyting is send but the change being send back to the original..

Fabian Schuh12:43:09 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

unless you know about albenian groups

Fabian Schuh12:43:24 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I never knew how exactly UTXO worked until I read how everyting is send but the change being send back to the original..

that's not how bitshares works though ..

Fabian Schuh12:43:32 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and that's also partly why bitshares is much faster ..

nutela12:43:37 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

that's not how bitshares works though ..

Sure, I’m just starting to learn..

nutela12:43:55 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

and that's also partly why bitshares is much faster ..

I’m listening 😅

nutela12:44:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

unless you know about albenian groups

Sounds like something from discrete math which I think I dropped out before that..

Fabian Schuh12:44:59 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bitshares has accounts .. instead of UTXO ..

Fabian Schuh12:45:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so you literally send money to an account ..

Fabian Schuh12:45:14 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you don't need "change" addresses, at all

Fabian Schuh12:45:34 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its the two different ways of dealing with "funds" on a blockchain .. UTXO-based vs. account-based

nutela12:46:36 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So if an account is valid you can send funds to it and it starts existing then on the blockchain like UTXO?

nutela12:47:02 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or how do you minimize?

Alex M - clockwork12:49:14 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no...account already has to exist on bitshares before you send to it

nutela12:49:23 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I didn’t know Bitcoin was so simple, you have a private key, that’s all what is needed, from that is generated the public key and from the hash the address. So I don’t know if you can have an address without even knowing the public key, I guess not but it’s simple. You can send funds to a blackhole :))

nutela12:49:43 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

no...account already has to exist on bitshares before you send to it

Right, so it’s in the blockchain then?

nutela12:50:24 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Because you don’t store all possible addresses.. When it is created, it’s in the blockchain? As a transaction?

Alex M - clockwork12:52:23 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes...there is a transaction that creates it...thus it now exists and has an ID

Digital Lucife®12:56:25 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you make request on api operation through transaction to a block to be signed by witness. Then it exists.

nutela12:57:29 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks! @clockworkgr @murda_ra

nutela12:57:41 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Damn, I didn’t know it was you @murda_ra

Digital Lucife®12:57:59 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

:) ahahhahahahaha

nutela12:58:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I remember you talking on Fuzzy’s show.

Digital Lucife®12:58:27 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah ive become silent on Steem ever since last year :)

Digital Lucife®12:59:00 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That was year ago! Ha :) Good times, good vibes

nutela13:07:51 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

That was year ago! Ha :) Good times, good vibes

Yeah 👌It will get better, if I see how crazy fast EOS goes… And if you see Steemit account bashing BM… https://twitter.com/steemit/status/1098526938367512577

nutela13:08:25 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We ought to be really lucky BitShares is as stable as it is, let’s get the fees in order! 👍

Digital Lucife®13:10:48 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Indeed, thanks to Consensus even with all the drama going and community/devs/structure as it is -we are far more successful with less investment on the long-term run

nutela13:16:29 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Whoa, CMC didn’t like adblock, turn it of, click on a banner for a local crypto exchange, and they offer $Steem! But not $EOS, not $BitShares.. Gotta write them!

Alex M - clockwork13:16:37 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Yeah 👌It will get better, if I see how crazy fast EOS goes… And if you see Steemit account bashing BM… https://twitter.com/steemit/status/1098526938367512577

lol

Crypto Kong13:44:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Found another exchange: https://wallet.hotdex.eu/

nutela13:44:44 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Found another exchange: https://wallet.hotdex.eu/

Is that a scam exchange?

Crypto Kong13:45:07 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What makes you say that?

nutela13:45:22 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

What makes you say that?

Because it looks like it 😅

Crypto Kong13:45:44 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Shouldnt throw accusations like that around without valid reason

nutela13:45:48 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I have to go out, spammed enough for today already

nutela13:46:02 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Shouldnt throw accusations like that around without valid reason

Do you know what question marks mean?

nutela13:46:32 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I thought it was part of the scam going on… That’s why I aksed

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom14:02:58 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Found another exchange: https://wallet.hotdex.eu/

HOTDEX -BitShares fork - France - DMME, HTS, ACED,TSC staking - Lottery -casino - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5063234 https://hotshotcoin.org http://explorer.hotshotcoin.org/ https://wallet.hotdex.eu https://twitter.com/HotShotCoin https://t.me/Hotshotplay https://discord.gg/qRx7sJ9 Digibyte BitShares fork- affiliated with Dynx - forked off Lighting originally - DigiID, DigiAssets, Digidocuments https://review.kydcoin.io/hotshotcoin/ https://github.com/MCLXI/HTS/releases Rudy Bouwman Josiah Spackman DMME Messenger associated with HotDEX - message and send crypto https://dmmecoin.com Giorgio Passatelli https://github.com/MCLXI/DMME/ https://twitter.com/DMmecoin https://t.me/Dmmecoin https://discordapp.com/invite/xAEhbw7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106323.new

Crypto Kong14:09:59 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

When you say fork, they forked blockchain or ui?

Alex M - clockwork14:11:09 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork14:11:12 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

chain is the same

Crypto Kong14:12:49 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ok cool

Crypto Kong14:13:23 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Anyone can do pull request to add to xerocs awesome bitshares list? Im on my phone dont seem to be able to

Emma Norah14:15:21 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hello

Ostriv Scarbov14:53:19 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can i ask about your help me to withdraw my 15 eth coin from gambling site CryptonBnb.com <-- i have limit of withdraw transictions something like that ... but i can transfer to you account need just you email . I want transfer my for you and next you get withdraw on you Binance coinbse or what wallet you use ? Okay if you can help join on and tell me you email adress next i will send my coins .

Ostriv Scarbov14:53:30 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ostriv Scarbov15:01:40 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen15:02:42 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Anyone else?

In favor the community need to reunite

Christian Olsen15:03:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Stan and Michael Hope u got back in

Ostriv Scarbov15:03:40 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

R15:04:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen

In favor the community need to reunite

Lol 9 day reply

Ostriv Scarbov15:04:39 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Christian Olsen15:04:39 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I know i have been trying to catch up

Christian Olsen15:04:45 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

,😂

Christian Olsen15:05:49 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Still hoped to get my say in the matter even if im not the most vocal member

funkit15:36:44 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

"Reunite" when they have something to sell. They should have thought of that when they left.

Fabian Schuh15:59:18 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

"Reunite" when they have something to sell. They should have thought of that when they left.

legit standpoint .. or in other words: when to consider a fork 'part of bitshares community' and when not to. Historically, non of the graphene forks ever have been partbof each other even though they may have shared lots of community members with each other

Once Uponatime16:02:59 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

How about when they do a 100% sharedrop on BTS hlders?

Fabian Schuh16:17:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

How about when they do a 100% sharedrop on BTS holders?

i dont represent the community, so i cant answer that question ..

Fabian Schuh16:18:14 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it would certainly feel more inclusive and remove an attack angle from FUDers

Salah Gomaa16:18:27 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Who sells bitcoin here

R16:37:02 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

How about when they do a 100% sharedrop on BTS holders?

It's not a traditional sharedrop though

fav16:58:34 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if a sharedrop requires sending my funds to a centralized 3rd party I'm no longer a holder. you can hardly call this a sharedrop on holders

Once Uponatime17:14:46 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

if a sharedrop requires sending my funds to a centralized 3rd party I'm no longer a holder. you can hardly call this a sharedrop on holders

If you can't trust Dan Notestein, who can you trust?

fav17:14:58 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not my keys not my crypto.

Fabian Schuh17:19:33 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

If you can't trust Dan Notestein, who can you trust?

oh, i read it like you were rethinking your strategy and airdrop 100% on a 1:1 basis to 100% of the BTS holders .. (as per definition of airdropping in the industry)

Once Uponatime17:20:55 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

oh, i read it like you were rethinking your strategy and airdrop 100% on a 1:1 basis to 100% of the BTS holders .. (as per definition of airdropping in the industry)

It is a 100% sharedrop on BTS ans Brownie holders who wish to participate. Same strategy, no change.

Fabian Schuh17:21:11 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

arguable, the 'social consensus' was never brought to paper in a clear an concise way, but still, if you define it yourself, you cannot be surprised others thought of the consensus to be different

Fabian Schuh17:21:50 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so far, all previous airdrops made a snapshot of BTS supply and used that as a basis ..

Fabian Schuh17:22:22 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but then also, beos does a raindrop period which uses a different term and allows for different rules ..

Fabian Schuh17:23:11 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so can we agree on saying that beos raindrops? then, also, i can recall there are some percentages set aside into a tresury which leaves less than 100% to be raindropped, correct? ..

fav17:23:48 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

call it whatever, it's not something that's dropped on the crypto you own

R17:24:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

so can we agree on saying that beos raindrops? then, also, i can recall there are some percentages set aside into a tresury which leaves less than 100% to be raindropped, correct? ..

Yeah it's also onto an uia, not just bts.

Once Uponatime17:24:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

so far, all previous airdrops made a snapshot of BTS supply and used that as a basis ..

We hope to create demand for BTS over a period of time and not just for 1 "snapshot" block. Hopefully our strategy will bring value to bitshares. That is our hope and that is our plan.

R17:24:43 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

We hope to create demand for BTS over a period of time and not just for 1 "snapshot" block. Hopefully our strategy will bring value to bitshares. That is our hope and that is our plan.

Why not self-vesting-balance snapshot instead? Same effect

Fabian Schuh17:24:54 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Why not self-vesting-balance snapshot instead? Same effect

true ..

Fabian Schuh17:25:20 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

We hope to create demand for BTS over a period of time and not just for 1 "snapshot" block. Hopefully our strategy will bring value to bitshares. That is our hope and that is our plan.

not sure how that works, but then again, i havent read into it deeply

Fabian Schuh17:25:35 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

isnt the airdrop period supposed to be limited to 80 days?

Fabian Schuh17:25:47 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

how would you drive demand for BTS afterwards

Fabian Schuh17:26:45 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

We hope to create demand for BTS over a period of time and not just for 1 "snapshot" block. Hopefully our strategy will bring value to bitshares. That is our hope and that is our plan.

as you surely know, i am not a huge fan of using a single pre-announce block as sharedrop target .. it comes with a risk of selloffs right after .. which could blackswan bitassets ..

Fabian Schuh17:27:06 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but there are good strategies to prevent probles while doing a regular airdrop

Fabian Schuh17:28:22 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

off for dinner .. ttyl

Once Uponatime17:28:29 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

how would you drive demand for BTS afterwards

The BEOS network will distribute RAM to the Targeted Demographic in the same way BEOS tokens will be distributed except that the rainfall period will occur over a longer period of time. It will start when the BEOS rainfall begins and last for at least 40 fortnights (80 weeks). This will serve as a strong incentive for BTS holders to keep their tokens locked up, thus removing them from the general supply. This could have the added benefit of increasing the value of BTS tokens.

tbone17:28:33 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

guys, what's wrong with the idea of staking BTS in order to receive BEOS?

R17:29:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

guys, what's wrong with the idea of having to stake BTS in order to receive BEOS?

Counter party risk

tbone17:29:31 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ok. so nothing to do with social contract

Fabian Schuh17:30:22 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

and after the 80 weeks? isnt beos supposed to be tradable on its own?

tbone17:32:04 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it's too bad there's no way to lock up BTS for a specified period of time. otherwise this could be done more trustlessly

fav17:32:54 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

it's too bad there's no way to lock up BTS for a specified period of time. otherwise this could be done more trustlessly

you mean how crypto-bridge is doing it on bitshares? if only that would be possible, right :D

Once Uponatime17:33:16 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes, BEOS will become tradable on its own. I think 80 weeks of heightened demand for bitshares is significant, and by then the added value the BEOS mid-chain brings to bitshares will be apparent.

tbone17:33:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

you mean how crypto-bridge is doing it on bitshares? if only that would be possible, right :D

can you explain to me how they are locking up BTS?

fav17:33:37 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they're locking up their own UIA

tbone17:33:45 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

they're locking up their own UIA

and?

fav17:33:45 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

same mechanics tho

tbone17:33:52 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that's relevant how?

fav17:34:02 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone17:34:10 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

how

tbone17:34:11 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone17:34:12 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

that

tbone17:34:14 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

relevant

fav17:34:14 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you can stake BTS for a specific period of time.

tbone17:34:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

HOW

fav17:34:42 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

by adding a stake command to the UI

tbone17:35:33 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

add a "stake BTS" command to the UI?

Alex M - clockwork17:39:40 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

it's too bad there's no way to lock up BTS for a specified period of time. otherwise this could be done more trustlessly

vesting balances

tbone17:41:12 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

maybe they could have utilizied that mechanism, i don't know

Fabian Schuh17:42:48 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Yes, BEOS will become tradable on its own. I think 80 weeks of heightened demand for bitshares is significant, and by then the added value the BEOS mid-chain brings to bitshares will be apparent.

let me play devils advocate here, but why would anyone buy BTS to send them to a 3rd party to receive a token on a blockchain that has essentially the same features than EOS, a chain with huge movement, VC funding and block1 who has 4B in capital and 10% of longterm interest to make EOS a success ... (end of devils advocate)

Fabian Schuh17:43:26 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

now out for dinner .. ttyl

Alex M - clockwork17:44:44 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

well..same reason they support any EOS fork....better value alignment I guess...different governance...not like block one is doing a stellar job with EOS so far.

tbone17:45:42 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

plus in this case you don't just get the fork of EOS, you also get BTS

tbone17:47:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and if you think the alignment of BEOS with BTS makes for a compelling value proposition, then there you have it

Fabian Schuh17:48:38 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

plus in this case you don't just get the fork of EOS, you also get BTS

plus the risk of loss+theft+death during thebtime you have them lock in someone elses account

Fabian Schuh17:48:53 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

need to trade off risks .. as usual

tbone17:49:27 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

can't argue with that

Christian Olsen17:50:23 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

tbone123

We are doing Thai translate of bitshares.org atm (4 pages left to be done) and wallet json translate is available at my github. Once all ready, we gonna setup a mini worker to get listing on local CEX (BX.in.th where EOS is already approved/listed). If all good, we are applying for the same Gateway at Kasikorn bank for THB Fiat gateway.

❤️❤️❤️

tbone17:50:50 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

plus the risk of loss+theft+death during thebtime you have them lock in someone elses account

unfortunately IBC still means 3rd-party gateway

tbone17:55:35 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

personally i don't love the idea of sending my BTS to a 3rd party. the whole point of crypto is that it removes trust from the equation as much as possible. but we've all had to trust our crypto to a 3rd party from time to time, and i'd certainly much rather send my BTS to Blocktrades than to the Binances and Bittrexes of the world, especially if it's for a good purpose

tbone17:57:26 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

having said that, it would really make a lot of sense to ALSO do a straight airdrop of maybe 5 or 10%. that way no one can say the social contract was not upheld

NatoshiSakamoto18:03:56 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Would doing airdrops to persons on bts chain cause a taxable event or reporting requirement for some people based on their jurisdictions?

Wehrrr18:04:20 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

😂

NatoshiSakamoto18:05:16 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Like property reporting requirements.. So if airdrop happens even if you choose not to participate it could have tax implications. That is what the usa irs said about bitcoin cash..

Brosephous18:07:25 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NatoshiSakamotoo

Like property reporting requirements.. So if airdrop happens even if you choose not to participate it could have tax implications. That is what the usa irs said about bitcoin cash..

🤔

Once Uponatime18:09:11 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NatoshiSakamotoo

Like property reporting requirements.. So if airdrop happens even if you choose not to participate it could have tax implications. That is what the usa irs said about bitcoin cash..

During the first 89 days of rainfall, all accumulated BEOS tokens will remain locked from spending or trading. This will ensure that no BEOS tokens are traded until all tokens for that period are distributed. The benefit of this method is to ensure that no tax liability is created (in relevant jurisdictions) for new BEOS token holders because the tokens will have no market value until they are unstaked and then tradable. After the 89 day locking period ends, the BEOS tokens may freely trade and thus take on a free market value that may become taxable as income in some jurisdictions.

NatoshiSakamoto18:10:55 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

That seems somewhat thoughtful of those that wish to participate vs those that do not..

NatoshiSakamoto18:12:10 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Oh, and please tell Bytemaster I was wrong about the snack machine 🤦‍♂️

Salif Konate18:30:30 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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R18:40:40 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Any prospective price feed publishers interested in feeding the Norns? Got 5, need at least 7 if not 10+ 👍

funkit18:41:32 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

by adding a stake command to the UI

But, but, but.... That would be against the purpose... I mean then the vote weight wouldn't be sent to a centralised 3rd party. Damn! your method would be acceptable... I still don't understand why you are not hired as consultant.

Alfredo Garcia18:42:25 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Any prospective price feed publishers interested in feeding the Norns? Got 5, need at least 7 if not 10+ 👍

how much does it cost ? it is easy to set up ? what specs do i need to feed ?

Alfredo Garcia18:42:51 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i saw your post in the forum about it

Alfredo Garcia18:43:16 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

was going to replay on it, can do it if it is relatively easy to do

R18:43:23 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

how much does it cost ? it is easy to set up ? what specs do i need to feed ?

https://github.com/BTS-CM/Norns/blob/master/parallel_feed.py parallel feed, the readme gives installation steps, alternatively there's https://github.com/Zapata/bitshares-pricefeed/blob/develop/bitshares_pricefeed/sources/norm.py

Alfredo Garcia18:43:27 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

have no experience in feeding

R18:44:16 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It doesn't cost too much if you reduce the frequency of publishing (increasing min difference before publishing), but it's one of the cheapest operations to perform

vvk18:45:55 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Any prospective price feed publishers interested in feeding the Norns? Got 5, need at least 7 if not 10+ 👍

What are requirements for price feeding?

Alfredo Garcia18:47:31 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i have a machine doing some testnet stuff(api, elasticsearch)

Alfredo Garcia18:47:44 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it is pretty busy but i think this should not consume much resources

R18:47:49 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

What are requirements for price feeding?

Computer requirements? It doesn't take up resources 24/7 but rather triggers every few mins (or longer when reconfigured) and works on my single core VPS

Alfredo Garcia18:48:03 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

what is the min frequency we can do ?

R18:48:49 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you can easily do every single block with that script, but I've optimized it to wait until there's a min change in price feed difference. No need to repeatedly publish the same values

vvk18:49:07 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Computer requirements? It doesn't take up resources 24/7 but rather triggers every few mins (or longer when reconfigured) and works on my single core VPS

No, requirements for feed publishers, e.g. "must be a witness or committee member" etc

R18:49:53 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

No, requirements for feed publishers, e.g. "must be a witness or committee member" etc

It's currently private price feed publisher list, mainly witnesses but if you're a trustworthy user like a developer or service operator I think it's ok for them to publish too

R18:50:50 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not a great deal of interest from some witnesses to publish 'privatized' smartcoins though, got 4 so far at least 👌

R18:51:59 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you're interested I'd need to add your account to the list before you can feed though

Alfredo Garcia18:53:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ok, im in if you need. ill send you an account name. will setup in the weekend.

R18:58:08 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oxarbitrage

ok, im in if you need. ill send you an account name. will setup in the weekend.

Cool, much appreciated :)

vvk19:02:59 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

It's currently private price feed publisher list, mainly witnesses but if you're a trustworthy user like a developer or service operator I think it's ok for them to publish too

Reviewed parallel_feed.py, I would rewrite it a bit like moving variables into a config file and replacing `print` calls with logger calls to separate debug/info messages. Ok I'll keep in mind it's possible to participate, so I'll maybe setup feeding later and contact you

R19:03:56 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

Reviewed parallel_feed.py, I would rewrite it a bit like moving variables into a config file and replacing print calls with logger calls to separate debug/info messages. Ok I'll keep in mind it's possible to participate, so I'll maybe setup feeding later and contact you

sounds good

fav19:04:30 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

my G&T/hr rate was too big to swallow

Alfredo Garcia19:05:48 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

maybe feeders should get some incentive for doing the job, not sure if it was already discussed in the past

Alfredo Garcia19:06:18 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

similar to the market fee sharing with the referral program

Alfredo Garcia19:06:30 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but with the feed producers

R19:08:17 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That'd be cool, though witnesses are already paid and it's a cheap operation, plus there's no market fees on the norns

Alfredo Garcia19:12:22 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but in your case they are not witnesses

Alfredo Garcia19:12:30 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

witnesses are forced to feed bitassets

fav19:12:45 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the 3rd party could pay feedproducers

fav19:12:51 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nothing for the blockchain to figure out

Alfredo Garcia19:13:00 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lol

Alfredo Garcia19:13:08 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

thats easier

Alfredo Garcia19:13:20 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

anyways

Alfredo Garcia19:13:27 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

maybe a bad idea

funkit19:13:36 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A bottle of rum every new year

Alfredo Garcia19:13:45 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

specially if there are not market fees here

funkit19:14:26 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Btw, alfredo: Outstanding work on the explorer. No more issues.

funkit19:14:54 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I almost forgot it.

Alfredo Garcia19:15:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

no more issues since a lot

nutela19:15:28 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

A bottle of rum every new year

What’s being celebrated here? 🤗

nutela19:15:43 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello guys! Friday evening chat yeah?

nutela19:20:44 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

NatoshiSakamotoo

Oh, and please tell Bytemaster I was wrong about the snack machine 🤦‍♂️

Hehe, good one 👍

Fabian Schuh19:26:56 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

👍👍👍

Fabian Schuh19:29:02 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

thanks for having a civil discussion here .. it became quite rare in the space to discuss ideas and not take everything personally right away ..

nutela19:31:36 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Luckily the US is out of ours neither did we invite them or did we? Anybody know how that works?

R19:32:08 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

the 3rd party could pay feedproducers

every 2 mins would be 131 BTS for an LTM 365 days, currently about $6.50 👌

Alfredo Garcia19:33:40 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

how much LTM is costing in usd aprox this days ?

R19:33:51 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

$100 I think

Alfredo Garcia19:34:05 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

k, thanks

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom19:34:08 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

100K BTS every 24 hrs

funkit19:35:48 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not that it's my business but the norn scheme should not need more than one datapoint per hour per feed. There is litteraly not any disturbance other than the algo if I understand it correctly and I think I do.

R19:41:58 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

The frequency is up to the feeders, I feed when there is a numerical difference in the feed which is every 2m but every hour is probably fine too

funkit19:45:43 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah I would expect it to be something like that. But the change at 2 min is negligible. Not a person in the world would care. Plus the number of feed producers would even it out anyway.

funkit21:43:08 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

To put an end to the continuous BEOS shilling, watch this video and vote for the core team that will bring inter blockchain connectivity to bitshares whatsoever. This is of course some time into the future. And for now only BTC is on the roadmap as far as I know. Sorry about the EOS related spin. But I think it is time to not panic. The way I see it, EOS is after all not at all the financial focused chain I find in bitshares. The content of the video is not mine. But I have no reason to suspect it to be inaccurate or false. And I have full confidence the core workers are both aware and capable to act accordingly to development as it happens. Keep bitshares decentralized and free from corporate control. And never leave the shares to someone else's private key. That's the message we have tried to portray for years. Reversing that message is and will always be an contradiction.

funkit21:43:08 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/r26clsATBaU

nutela22:12:16 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Friday evening on BitShares Telegram…

R22:18:42 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Yeah I would expect it to be something like that. But the change at 2 min is negligible. Not a person in the world would care. Plus the number of feed producers would even it out anyway.

That's just like your opinion, man

funkit22:21:10 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You're damn right it's my opinion. And I have done some informed choices when they formed.

nutela22:22:13 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

LOL, guys..

nutela22:22:24 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Where are the hookahs?

nutela22:23:50 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Reminds me of cutting all those talks and getting the captions right on YouTube insisting it’s Bitch Shares 😂

nutela22:24:02 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Maybe YouTube was on to something...

Thomas Lopez22:42:32 - 22 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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You know the AI of YouTube making the transcripts for videos..

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教授02:37:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@ cnjsstong hi

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trader3443

Hello, I withdrew 32 ethereum from my openledger account, but the funds never arrived (it's been 3 days). Can someone please help me.

Yes. Openledger can. No one else. They prefere to be contacted through their freshdesk.

d d04:15:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I opened a ticket but no response

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom05:28:54 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

trader3443

I opened a ticket but no response

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教授08:52:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@cnjsstong hi

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教授09:10:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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https://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Discussions/Societe/hfrcoin-retour-gary-sujet_107837_1.htm

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Yang Ming09:44:48 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BTS++ / Bitshares mobile wallet v1.8 update (updated both for iOS and Android). What's new? 1. add vesting balance view & withdraw functions 2. Setting up the interface and adding language menu, the user can switch the language manually. 3. Update the logo and name of App. 4. Optimize the code and fix some bugs. Note: iOS: v1.3 Extremely the following versions need to delete the app first, deleting the app will clear the data, including the wallet file (bin). Users who do not have a wallet backup file must make a backup and then delete the app. Note: Android: v1.3 or lower version will be newly installed due to different Google signatures. Please backup the wallet file (bin) in the old version. Users who do not have a wallet backup file must make a backup and then delete the old app. iOS download address: http://ios.btspp.io/ Android download address: http://android.btspp.io/ GooglePlay address: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.bitshares.app Official website: http://btspp.io/ Telegram: https://t.me/btsplusplus

Patrick Lucas09:45:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

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Enamul Kobir10:26:15 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Help me please

Enamul Kobir10:30:34 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I made a mistake to transfer the steem wallet from the bitshare market steem to Steve rudex Wallet. What can I do for that please help me

fav10:31:42 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ask the account owner to send it back to you

Enamul Kobir10:37:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Steem Id name @trisan

Enamul Kobir10:38:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bitshare wallet name @enamulkobir10

Enamul Kobir10:39:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hello sir

Enamul Kobir10:39:44 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Steem wallet name trisan

fav10:40:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cool

R10:42:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

enamulkobir

Steem wallet name trisan

Is its not the owner of the gateway, then the coins are pretty much destroyed

Enamul Kobir10:45:39 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I forgot to mention the bitshares memo during the transfer of steem.

Enamul Kobir10:46:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

What can I do now

R10:46:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

enamulkobir

I forgot to mention the bitshares memo during the transfer of steem.

If you put in the correct destination address & it's only the memo that's wrong you could probably contact their customer services.

Enamul Kobir10:58:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

How do I get customer service?

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:00:04 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

enamulkobir

How do I get customer service?

https://t.me/BitSharesDEX_RU https://twitter.com/rudex_bitshares

Bohdan V (Bitspark)11:00:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Hi @enamulkobir, seems you have problems with specific gateway. Which site/gateway was used?

funkit13:28:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

soon.com

Susan Sutton13:30:43 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://t.me/joinchat/I_aC8xWDHYFIXPjeJ_v8_Q

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Crypto Kong14:11:19 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Michael435

if your gonna manage the account why the hell would anyone need teaching? surely that would be your job lol

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George (Bitspark)14:41:48 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is there an daily active users stats for BTS dex?

Alex M - clockwork15:03:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Clients.clockwork.gr/decentralized

Alex M - clockwork15:03:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Should have a unique/24h once it loads

George (Bitspark)15:04:57 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Clients.clockwork.gr/decentralized

wow nice! Is there any plans to make that user count viewable over a time period with some charts?

George (Bitspark)15:06:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also saw https://kibana.bitshares.eu however doesnt seem to be a daily active user metric, only user sign up counts per gateway

Fabian Schuh15:27:11 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Also saw https://kibana.bitshares.eu however doesnt seem to be a daily active user metric, only user sign up counts per gateway

i do have metric exports for tx and ops .. not public yet tho

nutela15:28:20 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Really curious how blockchain analytics would pan out.

George (Bitspark)15:29:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

i do have metric exports for tx and ops .. not public yet tho

Cool! Possible for # of accounts with ops in last 24hr ?

nutela15:30:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You don’t have a view on your own customers @George_Bitspark ?

Fabian Schuh15:31:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Cool! Possible for # of accounts with ops in last 24hr ?

oh .. i believe @oxarbitrage has a ES query for that

George (Bitspark)15:31:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

You don’t have a view on your own customers @George_Bitspark ?

You can monitor account creates easily but not people logging into your gateway and doing stuff. Not really possible coz...DEX.

nutela15:32:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

You can monitor account creates easily but not people logging into your gateway and doing stuff. Not really possible coz...DEX.

But you see who has sent you their crypto because you have to keep track of that?

nutela15:33:57 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So from that you can correlate who bought your UIA.. And the fiat might be dark for you right? Those are the domain of the money shops.

George (Bitspark)15:34:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

But you see who has sent you their crypto because you have to keep track of that?

If someone deposits or withdraws a non-BTS crypto we support via a UIA yeh sure easy to monitor. But maybe someone trades that UIA a million times in the downloadable wallet, no visability on that only entry and exit

nutela15:34:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Well all trading is on the BitShares blockchain so you can track until the GW.

George (Bitspark)15:34:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You could probably track activity of the trades in the blockchain and index every trade but i dont see the point of that

Crypto Kong15:35:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

id love to see a downloadable all singing all dancing block explorer that you could download all sorts of reports from, that would be really cool

George (Bitspark)15:35:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

So from that you can correlate who bought your UIA.. And the fiat might be dark for you right? Those are the domain of the money shops.

Fiat happens on our centralised platform, not DEX

nutela15:35:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

You could probably track activity of the trades in the blockchain and index every trade but i dont see the point of that

Stores?

George (Bitspark)15:35:54 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Stores? Like retail.

Yes, on bitspark.io, separate product to DEX gateway

nutela15:35:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Fiat happens on our centralised platform, not DEX

Right, the money shops, but they don’t report to you how much fiat they have or?

Once Uponatime15:35:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

id love to see a downloadable all singing all dancing block explorer that you could download all sorts of reports from, that would be really cool

Enough to pay for it?

Crypto Kong15:36:16 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Enough to pay for it?

enough to vote for reserve pool funds to be spent on it

George (Bitspark)15:36:17 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Right, the money shops, but they don’t report to you how much fiat they have or?

Yes we know all of that info, centralised so we track that

nutela15:36:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Yes, on bitspark.io, separate product to DEX gateway

Wouldn’t it make sense to give crypto merchants easy access to their own business?

nutela15:36:44 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Yes we know all of that info, centralised so we track that

Oh you do, by law?

nutela15:36:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I thought it was private to the money shops.

George (Bitspark)15:37:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Oh you do, by law?

If someone deposits money into our bank account we know who that is

George (Bitspark)15:37:34 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Happy to discuss in ZEPH chat not to clutter bitshares

nutela15:37:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Happy to discuss in ZEPH chat not to clutter bitshares

OK why not 🤗

Crypto Kong15:38:31 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Being a financial platform I think many would find it very usefull to have a proper analytical/ report producing software

R15:39:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Being a financial platform I think many would find it very usefull to have a proper analytical/ report producing software

There's proposed worker proposals for these kind of reports, I'm considering Google BigQuery based reports but need to throw together a full node first 🤔

Crypto Kong15:40:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its something ive mentioned to the dexbot team previously as something we could do as another potential worker... ive not seen the proposed workers for this, ill have a look now

Crypto Kong15:41:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

do you know which one it is?

Crypto Kong15:41:48 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

data visualisation?

Crypto Kong15:42:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

by the bts.ai team it seems

Crypto Kong15:42:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

surprised this hasnt had more votes

Crypto Kong15:55:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not a massive amount of info on that thread but I would certainly support a proper accounting/ report making software for BitShares

Crypto Kong16:23:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/Panama_TJ/status/1099342421442351106?s=19

Crypto Kong16:40:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Pretty shady stuff from binance

kenCode17:31:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

not a massive amount of info on that thread but I would certainly support a proper accounting/ report making software for BitShares

both the bitsy wallet and palmpay include transaction search, filter, and csv/pdf export tools if that helps

kenCode17:32:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

https://twitter.com/Panama_TJ/status/1099342421442351106?s=19

yep. chico crypto YT has been ripping binance a new one lately too.

Crypto Kong17:37:14 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah i just joined his telegram to shill dexbot lol

Crypto Kong17:38:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

both the bitsy wallet and palmpay include transaction search, filter, and csv/pdf export tools if that helps

It all helps! Just think we need a proper suite of analytical tools and proffesional report compiling stuff... pretty important in the financial world

Alex M - clockwork17:38:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We have all the data in es

Alex M - clockwork17:38:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You can use any tool to dig into it

kenCode17:39:00 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

We have all the data in es

word 👍

Alex M - clockwork17:39:04 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Kibana is easy to get started

Alex M - clockwork17:39:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But you can also hook up something like powerbi to an estimate node and go mad

kenCode17:39:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

It all helps! Just think we need a proper suite of analytical tools and proffesional report compiling stuff... pretty important in the financial world

does bts platform offer all the tools that pro traders use now?

Alex M - clockwork17:40:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

does bts platform offer all the tools that pro traders use now?

Indicators you mean?

Alex M - clockwork17:40:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Trading view has a lot

Alex M - clockwork17:40:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And if we add their pine scripting

kenCode17:40:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bond mkt and other stuff i have heard pros asking for

Alex M - clockwork17:40:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We should have a lot of options

kenCode17:41:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i love the new trading view tools

kenCode17:41:31 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

bts dex to be THE pro traders choice

kenCode17:42:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

moreso than binance or polo

Stefan17:42:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

TradingView pro requires a commercial license

Stefan17:42:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not sure how costly that would be

Stefan17:42:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Right now we have the free license

Alex M - clockwork17:42:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Bitusd almost at parity soon

kenCode17:42:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

TradingView pro requires a commercial license

then we must fund that purchase, and save on hundreds of dev hours

Stefan17:43:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Bitusd almost at parity soon

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Crypto Kong17:51:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

bond mkt and other stuff i have heard pros asking for

yeah we really need this stuff, we need to be able to short assets such as open.btc

funkit17:52:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

We have all the data in es

Problem with it is that it is for statistical purposes, not accounting. I ran into problems because it treats orders executed at the same price on different dates as one. Accounting requires date of purchase, since it denominates in fiat at the time. Thus it gets the fiat value at the latest date. Even more troublesome when those orders at the same price comes in different fiscal years. Then you have a headache to find out what the f... happened.

Crypto Kong17:52:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the ability to short assets not only provides more opportunities for market participants but it allows market makers to stay neutral, which is a massive stumbling block for bitshares as a couple of proffesional market makers ive spoken to have said they wont even consider making markets on bitshares until they can do this

kenCode17:55:44 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

yeah we really need this stuff, we need to be able to short assets such as open.btc

yep. dex's are getting a lot of attention lately. some are gaining ground on us too. if we don't have the tools that most pros use then well.. u know

Crypto Kong17:56:28 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

plus... a lot of assets it isnt possible to short, so if we can build it into the blockchain where any UIA can have a pool that users can borrow from to short, it would mean that any crypto asset is able to be shorted on bitshares

Crypto Kong17:57:15 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

yep. dex's are getting a lot of attention lately. some are gaining ground on us too. if we don't have the tools that most pros use then well.. u know

yeah they are, our stablecoins are probably gonna get destroyed by the ethereum ones so id say they are no longer a selling point

kenCode17:57:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

this

Crypto Kong17:57:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

komodo and blocknet are genuine DEXs ie use atomic swaps, massive advantage over our setup

funkit17:58:14 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A chintai style module would be great

Crypto Kong17:58:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so really our main advantage is liquidity and the fact you can have many many exchanges built on top of bitshares being the central trading hub

Dmitry Mantis17:59:17 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

actually, the main bitshares advantage is speed. eth dexes are not for trade, more like atomic swaps shapeshift

Dmitry Mantis17:59:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ethfinex and binance chain are more dangerous competitors

Dmitry Mantis17:59:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

as far they use fast chains

kenCode17:59:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

komodo and blocknet are genuine DEXs ie use atomic swaps, massive advantage over our setup

then this needs to be moved up on our roadmap too

Dmitry Mantis18:00:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and have good management

Crypto Kong18:00:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah speed is a good advantage

funkit18:00:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

then this needs to be moved up on our roadmap too

There is atomic swaps on the core roadmap

Crypto Kong18:01:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its not a true atomic swap though by my understanding?

kenCode18:01:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

yeah they are, our stablecoins are probably gonna get destroyed by the ethereum ones so id say they are no longer a selling point

if maker dai/dao has the best stablecoin concept then let's copy it. our smartcoins are worthless to me/merchants.

Crypto Kong18:01:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i wont be able to trade btc held in my own wallet for ltc held in someone elses?

Dmitry Mantis18:02:00 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I were told that there won't be bitbtc for btc swaps.

Dmitry Mantis18:02:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Which is still upsetting

Crypto Kong18:02:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

if maker dai/dao has the best stablecoin concept then let's copy it. our smartcoins are worthless to me/merchants.

id be all for that, i dont know much about it but they are based on bitshares smartcoins as far as im aware

Dmitry Mantis18:02:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

if maker dai/dao has the best stablecoin concept then let's copy it. our smartcoins are worthless to me/merchants.

Their advantage of strong base asset (eth)

Crypto Kong18:03:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

its still as volatile as bts though

Dmitry Mantis18:03:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dmantis

Their advantage of strong base asset (eth)

stablecoins should have an ability to be created from bitBtc, bitEth and so on and not be affected by bts price

Dmitry Mantis18:03:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

too volatile

kenCode18:06:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

many ui's are popping up for bts platform now. we must give them all the core tools they need so their businesses can be successful on bts. seems to me we just need atomic swaps, fix the smartcoins algo, and add bond market. pour our stakes into helping pros build on bitshares and the volume we all desire will come.

Alex M - clockwork18:07:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

if maker dai/dao has the best stablecoin concept then let's copy it. our smartcoins are worthless to me/merchants.

Same design for the most part

Stefan18:08:00 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

You mean the export in UI? Or actual raw ES data? ES does not group afaik

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom18:08:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit18:08:44 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

You mean the export in UI (which groups, can be deactivated)? Or actual raw ES data? ES does not group afaik

Yes I mean the export from GUI

kenCode18:09:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dmantis

bts is too volatile

merchants in mexico for example don't seem to care. thank God cuz the bitMXN is worthless

R18:09:54 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

if maker dai/dao has the best stablecoin concept then let's copy it. our smartcoins are worthless to me/merchants.

only globally settled are an issue for merchants though, no?

Crypto Kong18:09:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

When you say bond market what do you mean?

Stefan18:09:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Yes I mean the export from GUI

I'd be happy to adjust it to your accounting needs. Open an issue with what you need please. I could see exporting a detailed report without grouping

Dmitry Mantis18:10:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

merchants in mexico for example don't seem to care. thank God cuz the bitMXN is worthless

merchants care when something has any adoption

funkit18:11:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I'd be happy to adjust it to your accounting needs. Open an issue with what you need please. I could see exporting a detailed report without grouping

That would be sweet. I already made an issue on it.

R18:11:11 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

dmantis

merchants care when something has any adoption. No market -> no care. And there won't be adoption when even usd can be turned to nothing. If we were create them with BTC as base asset, there won;t be this situation

usd isnt nothing though, it's partially collateralized but hopefully it'll be fully collateralized again

Stefan18:11:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

That would be sweet. I already made an issue on it.

Ah cool, might have missed it. Please tag me

Dmitry Mantis18:11:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

usd isnt nothing though, it's partially collateralized but hopefully it'll be fully collateralized again

That's naive way of thinking, sorry. I made business with bitUSD until I lost some money

Crypto Kong18:11:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

usd isnt nothing though, it's partially collateralized but hopefully it'll be fully collateralized again

Being partially collateralised might sound good in comparison to tether but in reality its useless at the mo

Dmitry Mantis18:12:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That's not "hold"

funkit18:12:16 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I will Stefan when I get the GitHub itch

kenCode18:12:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

only globally settled are an issue for merchants though, no?

gateways for smartcoins are needed too. but settling to and from BTS to fiat is growing thanx to Teller networks popping up now

Dmitry Mantis18:12:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you want people to work with smartcoins, they should have an option to wait several months. I may have not that time.

R18:12:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Being partially collateralised might sound good in comparison to tether but in reality its useless at the mo

I'd rather have partially collateralized tokens than scam tokens

Crypto Kong18:13:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I kind of agree... but id rather receive 100 tether for a $100 invoice than 100 bitusd

Crypto Kong18:14:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Taking a guaranteed 20% hit from accepting bitusd makes the risk of accepting tether far more appealing

Dmitry Mantis18:15:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

I'd rather have partially collateralized tokens than scam tokens

If you hold them, sure

Dmitry Mantis18:15:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't need both

Crypto Kong18:16:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And you cant really hold bitUSD cos if bts price tanks your not getting any stability in price

Dmitry Mantis18:16:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I will cash them out to real usd, and they should be 1to1

Stefan18:16:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Taking a guaranteed 20% hit from accepting bitusd makes the risk of accepting tether far more appealing

If no one would have talked about it and UI not shown it the peg probably would have stayed. That's what you get for transparency 😁

Crypto Kong18:17:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nah arb bots are what keeps the peg

Crypto Kong18:17:20 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But i see what your saying

Stefan18:17:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It would have been interesting to see how GS would have impacted on bitCNY with the higher liquidity

Crypto Kong18:19:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

exactly the same as with bitUSD i imagine

Crypto Kong18:19:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i just settle 6k bitusd earlier :)

Stefan18:20:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also shows that it is a combination of force settle delay (instant on GS) and psychological. BitCNY was undercollaterized as well, just not GS due to feed price

Crypto Kong18:20:22 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

rebought it and see if order gets hit, if not ill settle again and repeat

Crypto Kong18:21:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

but yeah IMO one of the most important things that would help our markets is the ability to create borrowing pools in order to short assets

Crypto Kong18:22:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

add to that the ability to earn interest from lending to the pool and bam you got yourself a whole new ecosystem of opportunites

Crypto Kong18:22:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

not to mention, increased operation counts = more fees

Crypto Kong18:23:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ability to stay neutral = more market makers

Crypto Kong18:23:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

take cryptobridge and all their shit coins, hell id love to short some of them after a pump

Crypto Kong18:24:11 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nowhere in all of crypto can you do that

kenCode18:31:27 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

And you cant really hold bitUSD cos if bts price tanks your not getting any stability in price

exactly. that's the mistake i made thinking i could hedge with bitsilver etc

nutela18:33:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

komodo and blocknet are genuine DEXs ie use atomic swaps, massive advantage over our setup

Yup

Crypto Kong18:34:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

state of our stablecoins is a mess and when you have the likes of bitcrab loosing shit loads personally, loosing hundreds of thousands of public funds and then wanting to start up open market operations again but sayin "i will keep call price below GS price" shows how severe his lack of understanding is

Crypto Kong18:34:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If that guy is allowed anywhere near the borrowing feature with public funds it shows how badly our governance system is failing

kenCode18:35:43 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

never play favorites with whales

Crypto Kong18:36:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i just dont get how he can say something so stupid as ill keep it below GS price

Crypto Kong18:36:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

everyone knows GS price is much higher in a bull run than at the bottom of the market

kenCode18:36:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ego

nutela18:37:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

never play favorites with whales

But that is how DPOS works Ken...

Crypto Kong18:37:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

so what hes saying is he will over margin at the top of the market again

nutela18:37:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Voting of the most tokens..

Crypto Kong18:37:19 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the guy needs to be kept out of the markets

kenCode18:38:14 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

if Maker is the best example so far, let's copy it, and soon.

nutela18:38:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

if Maker is the best example so far, let's copy it, and soon.

Ha I agree 👍

kenCode18:39:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

we need to be able to hedge successfully

nutela18:39:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think it is time for a BitShares 3.0

Crypto Kong18:39:27 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

at the moment our stablecoins are not only not a selling point... they are a negative IMO

kenCode18:39:35 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yep

nutela18:39:48 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Let EOS be EOS

Crypto Kong18:39:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they are a failed project, or at least thats the impression the rest of the world get

kenCode18:40:16 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

they are a failed project, or at least thats the impression the rest of the world get

and merchants

nutela18:40:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But I’d add trustless GW’s and more options for stable coins, like interest, Maker seems to have some good ideas, Kowala too...

kenCode18:46:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

to secure gains we need stable digital assets pegged to a basket of real world commodities, plus bitgold and bitsilver. provide that and getting larger merchants onboarded is much easier. they love BTS and instant settlement. volatility is less of a concern with instant fiat settlement. so, securing their gains though must be moved up on the roadmap. fix our smartcoins PLEASE. Maker me thinks..

kenCode18:47:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

@ryanRfox

Stefan18:51:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

Cam you formulate "fix it" in a realistic and viable BSIP? :)

R18:53:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Taking a guaranteed 20% hit from accepting bitusd makes the risk of accepting tether far more appealing

Or just charge more than 1 bitUSD for 1 USD when making payments & exchange to fiat banking for business use

kenCode18:53:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Can you formulate "fix it" in a realistic and viable BSIP? :)

nope sorry man. i am no expert with smartcoins. but general consensus amongst youtubers seems to point to the Maker model

R18:54:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Getting 1 bitUSD as $1 right now is a bit rubbish, but with time itll be exchangeable again

R18:55:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kencode what do you think of smartcoins like hertz & the norns?

kenCode18:55:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Or just charge more than 1 bitUSD for 1 USD when making payments & exchange to fiat banking for business use

so a $4 beer is now $5 plus gateway settlement fee. meh

kenCode18:56:00 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

kencode what do you think of smartcoins like hertz & the norns?

well if i can finally safely hedge I'm all for it

R18:56:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

so a $4 beer is now $5 plus gateway settlement fee. meh

yeah if the payment asset isnt worth one of itself anymore - pass the expense onto the payer

nutela18:56:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don’t want to rub in the salt but I have been saying stable coins are like the prime product of BitShares IMHO

nutela18:57:04 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Those who were undercollaterolized should have had their butts kicked and we should have had a stable stable coin 😂

Crypto Kong18:57:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Got chico crypto in the dexbot room 😁

nutela18:57:20 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Got chico crypto in the dexbot room 😁

👀

Crypto Kong18:57:27 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hope he gets addicted to dexbot and does a vid lol

kenCode18:57:31 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Got chico crypto in the dexbot room 😁

nice! he's frikn awesome

vvk18:57:42 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

yeah if the payment asset isnt worth one of itself anymore - pass the expense onto the payer

For Hertz/Norns, would be nice to have a link in description to asset price graph showing current oscillaation point

Crypto Kong18:57:49 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yeah i watched a couple of his vids and quite liked them and im not a fan of youtubers really

Crypto Kong18:58:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

@nut3l4 you have no shame lol

nutela18:58:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

yeah i watched a couple of his vids and quite liked them and im not a fan of youtubers really

CryptoVerse is excellent 👌

nutela18:58:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

@nut3l4 you have no shame lol

I love the guy!

Crypto Kong18:58:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

😂

nutela18:58:46 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And I hardly know him 😄

R18:58:46 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

For Hertz/Norns, would be nice to have a link in description to asset price graph showing current oscillation point

hertz: https://btsapi.grcnode.co.uk/home https://crypto.fans/hertz , no norn web pages yet though

nutela18:59:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

😂

I love you to bro 😂

Crypto Kong18:59:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

why arent you in his telegram room? lol

Crypto Kong18:59:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I love you too bro 😂

nutela18:59:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

why arent you in his telegram room? lol

Because I have x other things to do

kenCode18:59:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

why arent you in his telegram room? lol

link?

Alex M - clockwork19:00:00 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/CryptoBridge/status/1099352380787908608

kenCode19:00:14 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

link?

chico room

Crypto Kong19:00:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://t.me/chicocrypto1

kenCode19:01:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

👍👍👍👍👍

nutela19:01:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

We need our talks back and invite Chico

Stefan19:01:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

nope sorry man. i am no expert with smartcoins. but general consensus amongst youtubers seems to point to the Maker model

What is the key difference you see between maker and BitAssets?

nutela19:02:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Get some feedback from prominent YouTubers

nutela19:02:35 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

When I asked Chris Coney from the CryptoVerse he was like “bitUSD? It has just 6M Mcap…” And that was all...

kenCode19:02:42 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

What is the key difference you see between maker and BitAssets?

never used it. seems to be the most liked tho

vvk19:03:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

hertz: https://btsapi.grcnode.co.uk/home https://crypto.fans/hertz , no norn web pages yet though

Nice graphs, would be nice to have these links in asset description

R19:03:35 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

Nice graphs, would be nice to have these links in asset description

could do

nutela19:04:11 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BitShares is like NetBSD when Linux is the new hot chick in town

kenCode19:04:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

For Hertz/Norns, would be nice to have a link in description to asset price graph showing current oscillation point

is norns owned by the chain?

Crypto Kong19:04:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

https://twitter.com/CryptoBridge/status/1099352380787908608

lol i just checked and 50BTS to get my fees back... ouch

Crypto Kong19:06:08 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

this fee schedule subject is a hell a tricky one

Alex M - clockwork19:06:20 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

it is

nutela19:06:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Those graphs are better than CMC @cmmob !

Alex M - clockwork19:06:22 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

still

Alex M - clockwork19:06:28 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm annoyed at cryptobridge

Alex M - clockwork19:06:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

because they charge 2.50$ for create (costs them 0.20$ as LTM)

Alex M - clockwork19:07:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

5$ for withdraw (costs them 0.40)

Alex M - clockwork19:07:16 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and blame US

Alex M - clockwork19:07:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

also saying they lobbied against a furtehr increase

R19:07:31 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Those graphs at https://crypto.fans/hertz/ are better than CMC @cmmob !

thank & vote for @startail

Alex M - clockwork19:07:44 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

guess what....my suggestion had LOWER vesting balance withdraw fees

Crypto Kong19:07:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

when you say create and withdraw, is this to do with the vesting balances?

Alex M - clockwork19:07:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

the only fee that got lowered

Alex M - clockwork19:07:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yes

Crypto Kong19:08:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you should comment on their post

Crypto Kong19:08:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

they cant have it both ways

R19:08:10 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Ideally formulas could be shown to everyone through tradingview, but that's still an issue in bitshares-ui, one day 🤞

Crypto Kong19:08:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

i love cryptobridge but you gotta be fair to all sides

Crypto Kong19:08:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

and crying bout cancellation fees when vesting would have been lowered, then cancelling the new schedule and moaning bout the new vesting is wrong

Alex M - clockwork19:08:54 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

you should comment on their post

i am about too

vvk19:11:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

is norns owned by the chain?

No they are privatized smartcoin

Thomas Freedman19:18:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Those who were undercollaterolized should have had their butts kicked and we should have had a stable stable coin 😂

This. However, the sentiment amongst the proxies appears to be against any form of "punishment" for those who violate the collateral requirements, and there seems to always be pressure to reduce collateral requirements. I'm not too optimistic those with clout in this ecosystem will support penalties to reduce the abusers that want to collectivize their losses onto the rest of us. I see nobody williing to even discuss the idea of penaties, let alone implement any.

nutela19:19:00 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Right, that’s what you get with voting…

Stefan19:19:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I don't think the majority is against penalizing

kenCode19:20:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

vvk123

No they are privatized smartcoin

aah ok thanx. well i will still check it out since i want to have more auto-invest options in palmpay

nutela19:20:54 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I wonder how whales affect the direction of Bitcoin Core...

Thomas Freedman19:21:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I don't think the majority is against penalizing

Perhaps not, but "the majority" doesn't vote, they defer to proxies which aren't even willing to seriously discuss penalties.

Thomas Freedman19:21:46 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I wonder how whales affect the direction of Bitcoin Core...

Totally different governance model.

Thomas Freedman19:22:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No direct voting

nutela19:22:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Totally different governance model.

That’s why I mention it.

Stefan19:22:37 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Perhaps not, but "the majority" doesn't vote, they defer to proxies which aren't even willing to seriously discuss penalties.

I think there only has been bitcrabs ideas and bsips and no one bothered to write a counter suggestion

kenCode19:22:46 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Perhaps not, but "the majority" doesn't vote, they defer to proxies which aren't even willing to seriously discuss penalties.

well, fav is our proxy. i like him cuz he doesn't hold back.

Thomas Freedman19:22:49 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

In PoW, minors are main power holders.

kenCode19:23:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

he has nothing to sell

kenCode19:23:43 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

In PoW, minors are main power holders.

exactly. centralization will always occur in pow imo

Thomas Freedman19:23:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

you mean aside from his referral fees, which isn't a major influence on his perspective IMO

kenCode19:23:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

hardware..

Thomas Freedman19:25:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

exactly. centralization will always occur in pow imo

Well, DPoS achieves centralization thru proxies.

Thomas Freedman19:25:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

...or money to buy vote influence by gathering a big stake.

nutela19:25:37 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It will get better with more competition

Thomas Freedman19:26:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yep, I agree. If only we could mount an effective marketing campaign.

Alex M - clockwork19:26:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Well, DPoS achieves centralization thru proxies.

Yes but that's easily changeable

Alex M - clockwork19:27:04 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

All it takes is educating people

nutela19:27:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Yep, I agree. If only we could mount an effective marketing campaign.

Makes you think why we have DPOS in the first place if we can’t even agree on that!

Alex M - clockwork19:27:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can't say the same for pow

Thomas Freedman19:27:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

True that, if only the desire, which I don't see. Now that proxies have acccumulated their power, I don't see them relinquishing it anytime soon.

Alex M - clockwork19:27:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Now... Of course people might not agree with you and vote or proxy in a way that you feel is "wrong"

Alex M - clockwork19:28:11 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But that's up to them

Thomas Freedman19:29:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yep, and that should never change.

Alex M - clockwork19:29:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Same as real life

Alex M - clockwork19:29:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Is everyone happy wit the government their fellow citizens has chosen?

kenCode19:29:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Yep, I agree. If only we could mount an effective marketing campaign.

merchants. and pro traders. get 1 bigdog from each of those categories to brag about bitshares. moon.

Stefan19:29:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm yet to see a governance model that is anonymous and denies investors obtaining decisive power

Alex M - clockwork19:30:11 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I'm yet to see a governance model that is anonymous and denies investors obtaining decisive power

Not possible

Alex M - clockwork19:30:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Only possible through one-man/one-vote

nutela19:30:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I'm yet to see a governance model that is anonymous and denies investors obtaining decisive power

You want that?

Alex M - clockwork19:30:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So you need kyc

Stefan19:30:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

You want that? Just curious

You guys seem to be favorable to it.

Thomas Freedman19:30:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Is everyone happy wit the government their fellow citizens has chosen?

That's why "gubmnt" is not a good system; there are always loosers, it's divisive, not cooperative.

Stefan19:31:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You simply can't avoid centralization in that matter

kenCode19:31:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

losers

nutela19:31:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

You guys seem to be favorable to it.

I’m not sure.. I think it has to do with practicality, if a whole school of minnows need to be a whale.. they need to collude

nutela19:32:39 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A whale has an easier decision to make

Alex M - clockwork19:33:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

I’m not sure.. I think it has to do with practicality, if a whole school of minnows need to be a whale.. they need to collude

That's what proxying is for :)

nutela19:33:57 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

That's what proxying is for :)

But a proxy doesn’t necessarily cover all your visions

Alex M - clockwork19:34:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Then vote by yourself :)

Alex M - clockwork19:34:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Results are still cumulative

nutela19:35:06 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Then vote by yourself :)

You are right as usual but if I don’t know my shit, who else doesn't?

Thomas Freedman19:35:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Right, but a proxy doesn’t necessarily cover all your visions

Then be proactive and switch to vote yourself, then switch back to proxy (if proxy is mostly aligned, except a few issues)

Alex M - clockwork19:35:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

That's why "gubmnt" is not a good system; there are always loosers, it's divisive, not cooperative.

Not many better current systems out there

nutela19:35:31 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thanks, I welcome the feedback…

Alex M - clockwork19:35:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or discuss concerns with proxies

Stefan19:35:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A BSIP that you can overrule your proxy for certain decisions would be a start

Alex M - clockwork19:35:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

The good ones are open to it

Alex M - clockwork19:35:58 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

A BSIP that you can overrule your proxy for certain decisions would be a start

Agreed

Alex M - clockwork19:36:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Not many better current systems out there

Except original ancient Greek democracy...but that shit wouldn't fly these days :)

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Thomas Freedman19:37:00 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Not many better current systems out there

Only better "system" is localized, voluntary agreements between individuals. That works best and is win-win.

nutela19:37:15 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think you are all correct but maybe it is rational ignorance bordering on apathy. Getting to know all the options is quite a bit of work...

nutela19:37:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And you don’t know what the others think...

Stefan19:37:48 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Then again I don't think the current system is that broken, I would advertise vote decay (like eos does it) though

Alex M - clockwork19:37:57 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

True...but doesn't scale

Alfred Bright19:38:05 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Thomas Freedman19:39:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

A BSIP that you can overrule your proxy for certain decisions would be a start

I don't understand. Would you elaborate? Proxies are quite flexible as currently designed, in terms of using them or not, or switching between them.

kenCode19:39:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

what does this new HTLC acronym stand for?

nutela19:40:10 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

what does this new HTLC acronym stand for?

Hashed Time Locked Contract

Thomas Freedman19:40:17 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes, vote decay is very important IMO, if for nothing else than to clean up dead accounts and do admin.

kenCode19:40:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

oh yeah

kenCode19:40:37 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ACCT is dead?

nutela19:40:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It is to bridge an atomic swap

Thomas Freedman19:41:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No, just not yet perfected / released. Lots of chains working on cross chain atomic swaps. That is what ACCT is, right?

kenCode19:41:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

yep

kenCode19:42:10 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ok so HTLC = ACCT

Thomas Freedman19:42:22 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

That is one implementation

kenCode19:42:27 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

just the latest acronym grr

Stefan19:42:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

I don't understand. Would you elaborate? Proxies are quite flexible as currently designed, in terms of using them or not, or switching between them.

I have a proxy set, but I don't agree with one vote / or lack of a vote. I can then vote/unvote myself overruling the proxy, without upsetting the proxy

Thomas Freedman19:42:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yeah, buzzwords galore

nutela19:43:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think atomic swap is not so what we want, I think you want to be sure your collateral is safe and you can settle later

Stefan19:43:20 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ACCT is the whole process, you are using HTLCs on both chains

kenCode19:43:39 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

aaah ok thanx Stefan

nutela19:43:42 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I have a proxy set, but I don't agree with one vote / or lack of a vote. I can then vote/unvote myself overruling the proxy, without unsetting the proxy

Unvote just that aspect? Cool

Thomas Freedman19:44:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I have a proxy set, but I don't agree with one vote / or lack of a vote. I can then vote/unvote myself overruling the proxy, without unsetting the proxy

You can do that manually. I see no need to spend dev effort to make that easier, so many other important things that can't be done. At least you can do the switch yourself if you don't agree with your proxy on some issue.

kenCode19:44:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

ACCT is the whole process, you are using HTLCs on both chains

i want to implement this in palmpay next once the auto-invest stuff is done

Thomas Freedman19:44:57 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Then switch back

nutela19:45:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think GW’s should accept crypto under 2/3 mutli sig, and the smart contract should be 1 party in that

kenCode19:45:46 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

GW??

Stefan19:45:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Then switch back

Yes of course, it's just user convenience

nutela19:45:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

GateWay

Thomas Freedman19:46:08 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Yes of course, it's just user convenience

Exactly.

Stefan19:46:18 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

aaah ok thanx Stefan

Also, ACCT is just one application you can do with HTLC

kenCode19:46:33 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Also, ACCT is just one application you can do with HTLC

😳

kenCode19:46:40 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

niiiice

nutela19:46:42 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I send my gold to the bank but it’s locked so they cannot run away with it but the robot settles eventually

kenCode19:47:10 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

where can i read more on htlc and acct? i need to learn all that now

nutela19:47:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Not sure if you need a time lock… or you can opt out by settleing.. get your gold back..

kenCode19:48:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

where can i read more on htlc and acct? i need to learn all that now

especially what bts has accomplished with it so far

nutela19:48:39 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

especially what bts has accomplished with it so far

Nothing implemented yet

nutela19:48:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A BSIP

kenCode19:49:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Nothing implemented yet AFAIK

no, i think xeroc has it working already

litepresence19:49:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

iterledger has good writeup on the concepts

litepresence19:49:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

https://interledger.org/rfcs/0022-hashed-timelock-agreements/

funkit19:50:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Only .15 cents till parity.

Thomas Freedman19:50:19 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Nothing implemented yet AFAIK

That's correct, not yet. BEOS may use that method, not sure. May be another but I don't think so. I think that is only a gateway now, but will use HTLC once implemented to remove gateway. Ask Dan Notesteen.

nutela19:50:37 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

no, i think xeroc has it working already

Oh that is cool

nutela19:50:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Only .15 cents till parity.

yay! 👍

nutela19:51:22 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

What, you wouldn’t need no GW’s?

Stefan19:51:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

HTLC will be in next protocol upgrade, currently in testnet and already implemented in python bitshares (coded by xeroc, in the train 😁)

Alex M - clockwork19:51:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

A BSIP, without enough votes

Htlc has already been approved, implemented and deployed on testnet

nutela19:51:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Htlc has already been approved, implemented and deployed on testnet

Wauw, awesome!

funkit19:52:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Better make sure Fabian has enough train rides.

Crypto Kong19:52:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

You simply can't avoid centralization in that matter

theres no incentive to decentralise the current proxy control

Alex M - clockwork19:52:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Allows atomic swaps with any chain that also supports htlc

kenCode19:52:26 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

iterledger has good writeup on the concepts

link?

Crypto Kong19:52:32 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

why would someone spend there time, for free, putting in work to become a proxy?

Stefan19:52:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

why would someone spend there time, for free, putting in work to become a proxy?

Because it gives you, äh, voting power?

kenCode19:53:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Allows atomic swaps with any chain that also supports htlc

❤️❤️❤️❤️ perfect for point of sale

nutela19:53:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Allows atomic swaps with any chain that also supports htlc

👌

Crypto Kong19:53:34 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Because it gives you, äh, voting power?

you mean like how politicians work for free? lol

nutela19:53:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

So say I have bitcoin, I put it in an escrow with BitShares, then we don’t need Gateways??

Thomas Freedman19:53:54 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

What, you wouldn’t need no GW’s?

Not for BEOS, if HTLC is used. But HTLC requires a hf, so up to shareholders to vote it in. BEOS wants to bridge gap between BTS and EOS without that concern. They don't want to wait for HTLC, but will welcome it if approved once implemented.

Danielle Karen S19:54:01 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

BTC at 4k yaayyyy

nutela19:54:46 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

Oh but you’d need GW’s for coins that don’t support HTLC yet right?

nutela19:54:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I guess GW’s will vote against…

kenCode19:55:19 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

if it's trustless between 2 chains then it's got my vote

Crypto Kong19:55:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

A BSIP that you can overrule your proxy for certain decisions would be a start

that would be good, so for the majority you vote with your proxy but if your opinion varies on something you can vote individually

nutela19:55:28 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Another thing I wondered if GW’s have bonds or other sureties, never been talk about that?

Alex M - clockwork19:55:51 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

It's already approved

Alex M - clockwork19:56:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wouldn't have been implemented otherwise

Alex M - clockwork19:56:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Also. Atomic swaps are useful for otc trading.

Thomas Freedman19:56:52 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

It's already approved

Yes. Muy bad, I knew that.

Alex M - clockwork19:56:57 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Or a direct buy

Alex M - clockwork19:57:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Can't replace gateways

kenCode19:57:21 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Also. Atomic swaps are useful for otc trading.

yep, Tellers 😁😁

nutela19:58:02 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Wouldn't have been implemented otherwise

Woa, so GW’s went along? Isn’t it against their interest?

Thomas Freedman19:58:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Can't replace gateways

GWs will always be needed for various things, just not for "shapeshift" style transactions for chains with HTLC.

Alex M - clockwork19:58:23 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

GWs will always be needed for various things, just not for "shapeshift" style transactions for chains with HTLC.

Yes

Alex M - clockwork19:58:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Woa, so GW’s went along? Isn’t it against their interest?

Not really

nutela19:59:45 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

OK can I do a ‘deposit’ without a GW in the future?

Alex M - clockwork20:00:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Nope.

kenCode20:00:12 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

OK can I do a ‘deposit’ without a GW in the future?

yes, with a Teller

Alex M - clockwork20:00:16 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Someone still lhas to hold your real btc

Thomas Freedman20:00:20 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Not really

Depends on how you look at it and model GW operates by. Love to hear what Dan N. says about GW applications. He runs Blocktrades, will be GW for BEOS initially.

nutela20:00:24 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I think bitcoin uses it’s scripting to lock funds.. but you have to perhaps send it to a script address

Alex M - clockwork20:00:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Yes

nutela20:00:38 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Someone still lhas to hold your real btc

No multisig?

startail20:00:39 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

thank & vote for @startail

Seems like they got stuck again. Will fix it soon. I'll look at improving it and add your three new ones soon 👍

Stefan20:00:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you want to move a token between chains (e.g. BTS) in a trustless way requires more effort. Removing the need for an off.chain servers for a gateway can be done for gatewways via htlx

Alex M - clockwork20:00:47 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If you take the same amount out

Alex M - clockwork20:00:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Could work

Alex M - clockwork20:00:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

But you dont

Alex M - clockwork20:01:17 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

You trade and maybe that script locked btc has to be split between 10 people after

nutela20:01:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Well how about have a collateral req, when you are under, settlement occurs, you get the change back...

nutela20:01:53 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

You trade and maybe that script locked btc has to be split between 10 people after

All the recipients need to be known beforehand?

litepresence20:02:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

kenCode

link?

interledger(dot)org/rfcs/0022-hashed-timelock-agreements/

litepresence20:02:41 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I exited this chat while back because slow internet / gifs in big chats no good... then found I can turn off download gif in new telegram version... so came back... but can't post links yet.

Stefan20:03:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

A month worth of brain power exclusively on trustless token transfer, and you got yourself a solid chance for an awesome selling point

nutela20:03:27 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

I exited this chat while back because slow internet / gifs in big chats no good... then found I can turn off download gif in new telegram version... so came back... but can't post links yet.

Hey! Good to see you back!

litepresence20:04:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

:D thanks

kenCode20:04:10 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

interledger(dot)org/rfcs/0022-hashed-timelock-agreements/

👍🙏😁

Thomas Freedman20:04:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Hey! Good to see you back!

Speaking of brain power... welcome back!

litepresence20:05:29 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

atm not much brain power here - fried hard - stayed awake 48 hrs installing facial recognition systems in box store

Thomas Freedman20:06:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Sorry to hear that, about facial recognition system installations that is.

Thomas Freedman20:07:03 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

If it wasn't you it would be someone else. Just wish it was someone less competent!

litepresence20:08:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I can say with great degree of certainty that within 10 years every big box store will already know you when you open your car door in their lot. And the there two unstoppable trends leading the way... "steal this I give you fentanyl" and the rapidly falling cost of keeping track of everyone's face.

Thomas Freedman20:09:36 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

Is that what you want?

Alex M - clockwork20:10:09 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

No way...but everyone's gotta make a living somehow :)

Thomas Freedman20:11:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I get it. I once was a military tech contractor, but I couldn't do that again with what I know now. I refuse to be a part of the human grinder machine.

Stefan20:11:59 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

No way...but everyone's gotta make a living somehow :)

Famous words before the apocalypse 😂

Thomas Freedman20:12:04 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

No way...but everyone's gotta make a living somehow :)

I'd encourage you to find another way...

Alex M - clockwork20:12:28 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

ThomasFreedman

I'd encourage you to find another way...

Not me :P

Alex M - clockwork20:12:37 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm a lost cause

Thomas Freedman20:12:49 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Why?

Alex M - clockwork20:12:50 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Advertising for >15 years

Alex M - clockwork20:12:56 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

I'm going to hell

Alex M - clockwork20:13:04 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

It's done deal

Thomas Freedman20:13:30 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Advertising - not so great, but far better than involvement with the war machine.

litepresence20:13:49 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

from a philosophical side... of course not; the whole thing is pretty evil, but from practical side... the future is what it is- especially while state subsidizes big business and every store is a big box. on up note - its kind of cool to have an inside (and adverse) perspective on the advance of the surveilance state. Then at same time... part of me is pretty meh. I don't leave my dirt road enough for it to matter much in my world.

nutela20:13:55 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

Wait, what did I miss?

Alex M - clockwork20:14:07 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

nut3l4

Wait, what did I miss?

The rupture

litepresence20:14:13 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

lol

Thomas Freedman20:15:15 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

Well said, tho we all do our part to either help or resist the trends that enslave us.

nutela20:15:20 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

litepresence

Awesome how we are all paying for our doom...

nutela20:16:25 - 23 Feb 2019 [UTC]

And if I point out that someone has figured it all out and all you have to do is learn how the law was setup, write letters to law enforcement nobody does it but keeps complaining because that’s easier than to actually think 😂

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