Bitshares DEX Telegram History

R00:56:52 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Pengbab19

Who’s account name is mmm18

Send them a memo message?

Kim StaflunD00:58:47 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://steemit.com/smoke/@open-asset/introducing-smoke-what-is-smoke-network-open-asset-review-20180924t000120369z-post

Ba Ba01:46:39 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

Send them a memo message?

Good idea

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Felix Damilola01:54:53 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kim StaflunD01:56:37 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://whaleshares.io/sweden/@wls-sweden/welcome-for-early-whales-at-whaleshares-sweden-free-help-support-on-swedish-whaleshares-20180924t014635955z-post

Stefan04:59:42 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

joebitcoinorg

The buy and sell features are now showing up for the Remedy.destinia/bts pair. Sorry for bothering you. Maybe there's some cron job that enables the new trading pairs at certian parts of the hour.

No cronjob, all markets are immediately available after creation. Probably a cashing error

green pro05:08:23 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

everone all in today？

green pro05:08:24 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

show hand please

green pro05:08:46 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

shut up and get moving

green pro05:09:20 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

all in all in all in

green pro05:09:34 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

show hand show hand show hand

Bakki Ya05:10:06 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://youtu.be/bECdm9orXK4

Stefan05:19:30 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@sschiessl/bitshares-ui-release-candidate-180926-20180919t203635141z-post#comments Any feedback is welcome, release scheduled for this Wednesday

Alex M - clockwork05:19:56 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@sschiessl/bitshares-ui-release-candidate-180926-20180919t203635141z-post#comments Any feedback is welcome, release scheduled for this Wednesday

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JaiyeJeje05:26:04 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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green pro06:02:04 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

bitshares falling down falling down falling down

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Sa ra08:39:26 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Sa ra08:40:02 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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XOV CEO (Official)09:24:41 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hi everyone sounds like BitFest went well at the weekend.

Vaibhav09:47:15 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

hii admin i want help

R09:50:16 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xovceo

Hi everyone sounds like BitFest went well at the weekend.

Yeah it was great, albeit constantly raining, lol

Vaibhav09:51:07 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i forget my password?? can i reset it on https://wallet.bitshares.org

Vaibhav09:52:08 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i forgot my password... can i reset it ? https://wallet.bitshares.org

Crypto Kong10:21:28 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@sschiessl/bitshares-ui-release-candidate-180926-20180919t203635141z-post#comments Any feedback is welcome, release scheduled for this Wednesday

Very interesting to see integration of citadel, i wasnt sure if it was a dead project

R10:37:22 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Very interesting to see integration of citadel, i wasnt sure if it was a dead project

They've got their own stand alone client too

Alex M - clockwork10:42:47 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Everything seems really boring after this weekend

Alex M - clockwork10:43:03 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

We need to have those conferences more oftwn

Alex M - clockwork10:43:21 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

Yeah it was great, albeit constantly raining, lol

True...

da Lexx10:44:58 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Next time please Berlin ;)

XOV CEO (Official)10:45:22 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I hope to be there next year

XOV CEO (Official)10:45:39 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Meeting real people sounds like a good opportunity

Kevin10:52:27 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

gzuz_342

Next time please Berlin ;)

Yes, that would be fantastic.

ogieva Kingsley10:54:47 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hi guys

vectroz sabas1311:04:57 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hello, steem hard fork is an update, do I have to do anything if my coins are on exchange?

Yury Cherniawsky (OpenLedger)11:05:03 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

We need to have those conferences more oftwn

True! Was a great pleasure to meet most of the dev team in person.

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R11:17:15 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

gzuz_342

Next time please Berlin ;)

Or somewhere warm and not rainy? Haha

Alex M - clockwork11:17:24 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

greece next summer :P

Stefan11:18:27 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

greece next summer :P

Are you sure you understand what you are putting on yourself with that suggestion?

Alex M - clockwork11:18:46 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork11:18:56 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Crypto Kong11:21:25 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

We all staying at alexs house?

Crypto Kong11:21:29 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

😜

Alex M - clockwork11:23:06 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

da Lexx11:35:14 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

Or somewhere warm and not rainy? Haha

Yeah fair point

da Lexx11:36:34 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

But drinks and Airbnb are cheap :)

fav11:42:53 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

greece next summer :P

Bitshares isle next summer

Mathew11:54:06 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Bitshares isle next summer

Worker proposal to buy a Greek island?

Freddie Annobil12:00:51 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Question, if I create a 'User Issued Asset' can I submit it to other exchanges or can it only be used on the bitshares exchange for trading..?

fav12:05:56 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Worker proposal to buy a Greek island?

Why not, they must be cheap.

fav12:06:00 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

😊

fav12:06:36 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

fredrovision

Question, if I create a 'User Issued Asset' can I submit it to other exchanges (similar to how erc20 tokens are used) or can it only be used on the bitshares exchange for trading..?

Same as erc20, any wallet connected to BitShares works

funkit12:23:12 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Can we move the bitshares island to somewhere more away from Europe please?

Alex M - clockwork12:27:03 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Can we move the bitshares island to somewhere more away from Europe please?

funkit12:31:55 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Not even as far as the Canary isles? Or Cabo Verde?

Alex M - clockwork12:37:38 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Mathew12:42:40 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Mathew12:42:46 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I'm relocating

Crypto Kong12:51:24 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Alex very negative today, feeling down after leaving bitfest? Lol

funkit12:59:44 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

My dutch friends keep telling me about this guy going bananas in the district.

Alex M - clockwork13:01:48 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

My dutch friends keep telling me about this guy going bananas in the district.

Not me

Alex M - clockwork13:03:16 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Might have been Petr from rudex :)

Alex M - clockwork13:04:02 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@xanoxt

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מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:05:33 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Not even as far as the Canary isles? Or Cabo Verde?

Main RuDEX office is on Canary isles. 😉

מX

מ0ר Xanoxt de Canzaparca13:05:42 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Might have been Petr from rudex :)

Im in Hague right now.

fav13:13:55 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Not even as far as the Canary isles? Or Cabo Verde?

We can't, too expensive. Greece is cheap

funkit13:15:54 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I thought the godfather was to take care of that.

Mathew13:16:49 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

My dutch friends keep telling me about this guy going bananas in the district.

Bananas how?!

funkit13:17:28 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Banana bar

Mathew13:18:30 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Banana bar

We should have 'bars that accept bitshares' as a prequisite for the next trip

Mathew13:18:47 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

We can do some advance work getting them up and running with palmpay etc

Lance Cordill14:41:50 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

So, what happened to my Cloud Coins in my Bitsahres portfolio. One day, I have a Bitshars rating equivalent to my Cloud Coin transfer, it is registered in my activity log. Today, the Cloud Coins are still listed. But, there is no tradinig amount for Bitshares and my accounb reads zero. Plus, there's no record in activity log and no Bitshares amount listed.???

Stefan14:42:31 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Lance Cordill

What do you mean rating?

Lance Cordill14:44:22 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

What do you mean rating?

You have a field for Cloud Coin and there is a field for Bitshares and a field for what the Cloud Coin is trading at in Bitshares.

は

はるか14:45:23 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Maybe there were no trading for a while so wallet doesn't show the price and equivalent anymore?

Alex M - clockwork14:45:56 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

harukaff_bot

Maybe there were no trading for a while so wallet doesn't show the price and equivalent anymore?

yep

Alex M - clockwork14:46:18 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

if there is no "recent" price...it doesnt show a calculation

Lance Cordill14:46:33 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hmmn, I don't enough as it is. There is no record of any transaction in activity log.

Stefan16:04:33 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Lance Cordill

Hmmn, I don't enough as it is. There is no record of any transaction in activity log.

So you are supposed to have CloudCoin on bitshares but it disappeared?

Lance Cordill16:06:34 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Mysteriously, the Cloud Coin never dissapereared. The Bitshares and trading amount did.

Crypto Kong16:07:35 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Lance Cordill

Mysteriously, the Cloud Coin never dissapereared. The Bitshares and trading amount did.

Account value is calculated from the market... perhaps no trade occured and affected account value. Account values can be very misleading in illiquid markets

は

はるか16:07:51 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

did you mean this cloudcoin?

Lance Cordill16:10:17 - 24 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Yes

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Ross Walker04:51:15 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Daniel Morgan07:16:28 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Anyone wants to trade

Mathew07:31:03 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Does the increase in spam signal the coming of the bull?

Kristin Low07:31:50 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Does the increase in spam signal the coming of the bull?

Good idea for an index!

Kristin Low07:31:59 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Signal to noise ratio

Mathew07:34:26 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I'll get plotting some graphs of price vs 'hello sir I have an offer for you' pms

Mathew07:34:54 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hopefully we've cracked it and I'll finally have a working trading strategy.. 😉

Kristin Low07:35:32 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hahahaha

Kristin Low07:35:51 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Capture "admin pls" too

Mathew07:59:28 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Capture "admin pls" too

Added. The Google image algorithm is showing some really interesting correlations between support lines and the number unrealistically attractive new joiner profiles...

Kristin Low08:00:56 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Lol!

Kristin Low08:01:29 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Are you saying I can't be mistaken for a bot? 🧐😛

Mathew08:06:15 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

It's your gif generation abilities that gave you away, some genius can't be programmed

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funkit09:13:41 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

All in due time.

Kristin Low09:17:36 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Patrick09:19:52 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BTC needed urgently

Stefan09:19:57 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

They are private

Stefan09:20:03 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Patrick

BTC needed urgently

Go to the DEX

Patrick09:21:15 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Do you have for sell?

Stefan09:21:47 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Patrick

Do you have for sell?

On the DEX

Patrick09:22:45 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Private chart me please

Stefan09:23:22 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Patrick

Private chart me please

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Kristin_Spark

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I’m going to visit them, maybe this week

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That's pretty cool

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Stefan09:59:06 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

j Dr

Is it possible to get banca on openledger!?

What's banca?

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https://www.banca.world/

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https://www.banca.world

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j Dr

Is it possible to get banca on openledger!?

It sure is. But you must apply at open Ledger, not here.

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ironandcopper

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fav12:56:29 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Yes?

John R12:56:39 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I was waiting for that

funkit13:01:49 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

God has not had his coffee this morning.

Lucy the Lizard Slayer13:02:03 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Yes?

Lol

CE_Alex14:16:39 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hey guys !

CE_Alex14:16:45 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I got an unusual question

CE_Alex14:17:32 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I'm creating a portfolio tracker and need to store all historic data of each coin. But the server I'm using isn't good enough. Does anyone here know what server BTS, other Exchanges, coinmrktcap, blockfolio, tradingview or any other portfolio tracking service uses?

Alex M - clockwork14:21:41 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

CE_Alex

for Bitshares assets?

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CE_Alex14:25:48 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

for Bitshares assets?

For mutliple coins including bts

CE_Alex14:25:53 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

The data base im using isnt good enough

CE_Alex14:26:12 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

But BTS saves all data of each asset as well right?

Alex M - clockwork14:26:17 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Daniel Morgan14:26:25 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

James Lawrence JL

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CE_Alex14:26:26 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork14:26:33 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

only the oens in bitshares

Alex M - clockwork14:26:45 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i,.e. native assets or UIAs of non-native assets

CE_Alex14:27:06 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

it doesnt matter which coin as long as I can keep pulling the price and save each pull in my data base

Alex M - clockwork14:27:19 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

you can

CE_Alex14:27:20 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

TimeSeries DataBase (TSDB)

CE_Alex14:27:37 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I need the one all exchanges use i believe

Alex M - clockwork14:27:58 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

but e.g. the price of open.BTC on bitshares is not always representative of true BTC price

Alex M - clockwork14:28:18 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

CE_Alex

I need the one all exchanges use i believe

exchanges dotn use outside data really

Alex M - clockwork14:28:26 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

coinmarketcap does but its not an exchange

Alex M - clockwork14:28:38 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

it just pulls from multipel exchaneg apis

CE_Alex14:28:40 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

do you know what TSDB they use?

CE_Alex14:28:44 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I know

CE_Alex14:28:51 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

But it saves all the data from the start

Alex M - clockwork14:29:41 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sorry no

Alex M - clockwork14:29:46 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

but i think they have a paid api

Yury Cherniawsky (OpenLedger)15:37:20 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

If there is owner of "moby" account in the chat, please pm me. Thanks!

nutela15:39:15 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Time to sell Steem or so I thought… Blocktrades.. omfg.. ripoff

nutela15:55:16 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

OMG Steemit not working wtf..

funkit16:28:32 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

nut3l4

OMG Steemit not working wtf..

Here is the probable explanation: https://steemit.com/steem/@ned/on-the-bridge-hardfork20 Works now btw

fav16:33:54 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Well done!

Nedu16:46:26 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Whats changed with this fork is, bernie sanders stripped of his coins ?

Angela Chloe16:49:23 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Patrick17:39:41 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BTC needed urgently interested seller should chart me up

nutela17:46:57 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

nedupaul

Whats changed with this fork is, bernie sanders stripped of his coins ?

😂

nutela17:47:30 - 25 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Here is the probable explanation: https://steemit.com/steem/@ned/on-the-bridge-hardfork20 Works now btw

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Funny how steem and EOS keep making fuckups and we're stabley moving along

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Funny how steem and EOS keep making fuckups and we're stabley moving along

Slow and steady wins the race.

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clockworkgr

Funny how steem and EOS keep making fuckups and we're stabley moving along

At some point soon, people will see how good BitShares is. This is a top 5 project, has been for a long time. 👏👌

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Steve

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OK its simple....

Mathew13:55:26 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

At some point soon, people will see how good BitShares is. This is a top 5 project, has been for a long time. 👏👌

$1.75 a BTS would see us sneak into the current top 5

Mathew13:55:37 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I'd be pretty happy with that

Kevin13:58:37 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

I'd be pretty happy with that

I think we all would.

Kristin Low14:01:02 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

It's doable. We are augur (prediction markets) bitmex (margin lending) the platform for all stablecoins, ever (throw in the market cap for all other stablecoins) and the largest volume DEX. The world needs to wake up to this.

Kristin Low14:01:47 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

No idea what the combined market cap of all projects trying to do stuff that BitShares already does, is, but surely it would be monental. Even in a bear market.

Alex M - clockwork14:07:50 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I was at a local Meetup yesterday here in athens

Alex M - clockwork14:09:04 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Blockchain Meetup.. almost everyone I spoke to had not heard of us..once I explained everything bitshares does they were all going wtf? Why have not heard of this

nutela14:19:38 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Same here, if you look at the news sites, same story, BitShares is rarely even mentioned. This is a conspiracy. No doubt about it. Reason? Too good :-)

Tina Smith14:19:45 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hey friends

kenCode14:32:06 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

nut3l4

Same here, if you look at the news sites, same story, BitShares is rarely even mentioned. This is a conspiracy. No doubt about it. Reason? Too good :-)

exactly

Yury Cherniawsky (OpenLedger)14:32:09 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Blockchain Meetup.. almost everyone I spoke to had not heard of us..once I explained everything bitshares does they were all going wtf? Why have not heard of this

Completely true. I think there shall be a well planned marketing campaign for Bitshares - i.e. including articles, publications, promotion, social, ads, etc. This may be paid from WP

Mathew14:32:22 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Same pretty much everywhere

funkit14:45:40 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Nah hah nah. I still haven't got my big slice. No more shilling for a week, Ok?

Kristin Low14:48:13 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Charyury

Completely true. I think there shall be a well planned marketing campaign for Bitshares - i.e. including articles, publications, promotion, social, ads, etc. This may be paid from WP

Exactly. Anyone know if the marketing guys from bitfest are proceeding with a worker proposal? We need to help get them across the line so that something can start happening.

Alex M - clockwork14:49:27 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Exactly. Anyone know if the marketing guys from bitfest are proceeding with a worker proposal? We need to help get them across the line so that something can start happening.

hope so...they had a good talk

funkit14:59:43 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Who exactly are the marketing guys?

Alex M - clockwork15:01:10 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://teamnijhuis.com/en/

Alex M - clockwork15:01:13 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

these guys

Eduado Casalougue15:02:56 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xovceo

Meeting real people sounds like a good opportunity

Can you link me with people trade btc and HTC

Yury Cherniawsky (OpenLedger)15:04:19 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Exactly. Anyone know if the marketing guys from bitfest are proceeding with a worker proposal? We need to help get them across the line so that something can start happening.

OL will also come up with marketing proposal

funkit15:04:21 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Jeeez! A real communication firm. 😊

Stefan15:05:20 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

https://teamnijhuis.com/en/

They are doing pre evaluation.

Fabian Schuh15:05:58 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/eosfinexproject/status/1044885837606014976

funkit15:06:08 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Finally no more back to the future

Fabian Schuh15:06:19 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

You guys establish your own opinions about the teaser of eosfinex

Alex M - clockwork15:10:51 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

looks very familiar :P

Fabian Schuh15:12:07 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

looks very familiar :P

zip it! I asked people to establish their own opinions, not share it ... I dare you /s

Fabian Schuh15:12:15 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

🙈

funkit15:13:15 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

It was most certainly an exchange. That's for sure.

fav15:34:06 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

https://twitter.com/eosfinexproject/status/1044885837606014976

https://whaleshares.io/eos/@fav/so-there-s-lots-of-talk-about-eosfinex-here-s-my-take-on-it

Fabian Schuh15:35:10 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

https://whaleshares.io/eos/@fav/so-there-s-lots-of-talk-about-eosfinex-here-s-my-take-on-it

9 days old ... you must have a bridge crystal ball :D

fav15:35:44 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I still wait for job offers tho

funkit15:40:36 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

With the giant bullshit detector you have, it should not be a problem

Stefan16:17:02 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

https://whaleshares.io/eos/@fav/so-there-s-lots-of-talk-about-eosfinex-here-s-my-take-on-it

Why no BitShares mention? :)

kenCode16:17:58 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Why no BitShares mention? :)

linked in the first paragraph

Stefan16:22:17 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

😳

FarmerD16:29:45 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Why no BitShares mention? :)

Lol @favdesu 👆👆 😆😖

Stefan16:43:51 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Yea yea, make all the fun you want 😘

nutela16:55:04 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I read this article about a German bank offering fiat and bitcoin and I wondered if you could have users bid for a fiat - stablecoin swap, effectively have BitShares as a backend, just use a payment provider and get some %? You could see the stable coins flows if needed and I would get cash from random ppl, sending them bitUSD or bitEUR…

nutela16:56:07 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Here’s the article: https://www.ccn.com/this-german-fintech-startup-will-let-you-hold-bitcoin-in-your-bank-account/

nutela16:58:23 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hey friends

nutela16:58:23 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Are we having an escort service? 😂

FarmerD16:58:29 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

nut3l4

Here’s the article: https://www.ccn.com/this-german-fintech-startup-will-let-you-hold-bitcoin-in-your-bank-account/

Cool 👍😊❤️

FarmerD16:58:50 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Lol

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Is that your wife?

nutela17:02:46 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

FarmerD17:03:50 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

nut3l4

Is that your wife?

Lol, my wife is hotter and a huge pregnant woman atm 😊

nutela17:04:07 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

FarmerD

Lol, my wife is hotter and a huge pregnant woman atm 😊

Good to hear buddy, first one?

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nut3l4

Good to hear buddy, first one?

Second actually. Our boy is 5 and a big kindergartener now 😆

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Farmers are supposed to poke their sticks in the ground...

nutela17:24:33 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Farmers are supposed to poke their sticks in the ground...

Wtf 😂

nutela17:25:48 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

FarmerD

Lol, my wife is hotter and a huge pregnant woman atm 😊

So but why then show of that chick? 😏

funkit17:26:12 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Unsuccessful of upsetting the farmer today 🤔

Kapil18:23:30 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hello World Geeks😎

Kapil18:26:01 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Can anyone suggest, how to use bitshares/graphene blockchain as smart contract?

Kapil18:27:57 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Also how can I find graphene blockchain schema?

John R18:34:56 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kapil

Can anyone suggest, how to use bitshares/graphene blockchain as smart contract?

pro tip: every bitUSD/CNY is a smart contract

Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)18:36:14 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Circle launches USDC. Another stable coin enters the market: https://blog.circle.com/2018/09/26/usd-coin-launches-with-wide-ecosystem-support/

fav18:38:09 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

If it's decentralized it's not worth a dime

John R18:42:38 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

ryanRfox

Circle launches USDC. Another stable coin enters the market: https://blog.circle.com/2018/09/26/usd-coin-launches-with-wide-ecosystem-support/

this press release made my head spin. It's becoming clear that we would benefit from emphasizing the crypto-native stable coins vs. the fiat rail stable coins. A lot of people try to say that it's a drawback that you can't directly turn bitUSD into USD. In reality it's a completely different system.

John R18:46:42 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

'As with other technology components, the stablecoin of choice has to be open, interoperable, safe, transparent and trustworthy.' Guys did you know the USD is open, transparent, and trustworthy?

Crypto Kong18:48:41 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Exactly. Anyone know if the marketing guys from bitfest are proceeding with a worker proposal? We need to help get them across the line so that something can start happening.

IMO one of the best form of marketing would be to focus on improving and promoting blocktivity.info indirect marketing. Promote the site and push loads of info showing how good bitshares is in comparison to everything else and let the users come to the conclusions themselves

Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)18:48:51 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

this press release made my head spin. It's becoming clear that we would benefit from emphasizing the distinction between crypto-native stable coins vs. the fiat rail stable coins. A lot of people try to say that it's a drawback that you can't directly turn bitUSD into USD. In reality it's a completely different system.

Here is a good article on the differences. Yes, we should be talking about what makes BitShares bitCNY, bitUSD, et al. distinct from these trusted offerings: https://hackernoon.com/an-overview-of-stablecoins-cf3fac75dcf7

John R18:50:15 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

ryanRfox

YES. 'crypto-collateralized' is not for everyone, but it really should be at the fore of every crypto enthusiasts mind

John R18:51:50 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I agree, but still the market cap meme is strong. I show blocktivity to people and their response is that it's cool but they want to make money - then they go and buy stellar/ripple. I'm not exactly sure why money isn't flowing to the most used projects.

Crypto Kong18:53:45 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

It will... the market is still very blindly speculative. Provide people with reliable info, rather than everyone just believing what they see from random cartoon twitter accounts, and they shall make better informed decisions

Willam Galyer18:55:27 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Crypto Kong18:57:01 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I also think the bitshares fee structure needs re working. The sooner bitshares is profitable then BTS becomes deflationary or disinfaltionary... im not sure which but the circulating supply reduces.

Crypto Kong18:57:28 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

(Not including worker payments)

Crypto Kong18:57:41 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

But things like that create demand.

Crypto Kong18:57:57 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

At the moment bitshares is not self sufficient

funkit18:59:39 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

It could be if everything was put on ice and only necessary maintenance was done. However, there is no point in stagnation.

Crypto Kong18:59:55 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I agree

Alex M - clockwork19:00:05 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

It could be if everything was put on ice and only necessary maintenance was done. However, there is no point in stagnation.

not even then...witness pay alone is more than fee income

Crypto Kong19:00:34 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

But bitshares should not be running at a loss draining the reserve pool slowly but surely

funkit19:00:53 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Ok. With a normalization of price it would look better

John R19:02:52 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Do you think the best way to get these fiat rail stablecoins on dex is to ask them to make a UIA like everyone else?

funkit19:03:03 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I have a goal of starting a bot to get more trading done. I just hope I can cope with the book keeping.

John R19:03:36 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@Cryptokong123 how do you see that BTS is not self-sufficient?

Crypto Kong19:03:57 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

I have a goal of starting a bot to get more trading done. I just hope I can cope with the book keeping.

We created a dexbot python coders group if you want to be around like minded people to help or perhaps use dexbot as a base

Crypto Kong19:04:15 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@dexcoders

Crypto Kong19:04:44 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Anyone interested in learning python with goal of creating trading strategies is welcone

funkit19:04:48 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I just hope I can get it to work + the strain on book keeping

Crypto Kong19:05:12 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Fuck book keeping that implies you intend to pay tax lol

funkit19:05:48 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I fucking have to if I want to see the money again.

Crypto Kong19:05:59 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

@Cryptokong123 how do you see that BTS is not self-sufficient?

Just through the many conversations in the past ive been a part of, i dont think ive seen any particular figures

Yury Cherniawsky (OpenLedger)19:06:22 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

not even then...witness pay alone is more than fee income

IMO fees shall be higher for users, but more referal and revenue sharing models to be introduced to facilitate business implementation of the ecosystem. At the moment one can only benefit from market fees from own coins and that's all. Any other business model would not works because there is no other revenue generating mechanisms. I'm not mentioning networks fees, this is too small to generate siginifican cash flow, even for popular referer. BSIP43 may help, but this is only the first step.

John R19:06:34 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Just through the many conversations in the past ive been a part of, i dont think ive seen any particular figures

Just trying to understand what you mean. BTS is not on crypto welfare or something so how could it not be self-sufficient

Crypto Kong19:07:00 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@clockworkgr & @cryptick1 are most clued up i spoke to

Crypto Kong19:07:21 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

Just trying to understand what you mean. BTS is not on crypto welfare or something so how could it not be self-sufficient

Meaning it earns less in fees than it spends so the reserve pool is shrinking

Crypto Kong19:07:34 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

This cant carry on forever

John R19:08:03 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Right of course. But BTS is a growth stage enterprise. IMO we should be spending like mad on projects that will grow us into the future.

funkit19:08:13 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

It will have to continue for some time

Alex M - clockwork19:08:42 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

Right of course. But BTS is a growth stage enterprise. IMO we should be spending like mad on projects that will grow us into the future.

true...which is why my fee update is not taking into account "growth" expenses/workers

Crypto Kong19:08:43 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Im not saying we should be stopping spending, i agree. I think we need to increase our earnings, by raising fees

Alex M - clockwork19:09:02 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

the one i'm working on is simply to bring witness pay and fee income closer to balance

Alex M - clockwork19:09:15 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

not balance ALL expenses

Alex M - clockwork19:09:19 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

that would be insane

Crypto Kong19:09:58 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

the one i'm working on is simply to bring witness pay and fee income closer to balance

Step in the right direction 👍

John R19:10:02 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Great point. Witness and fee income should be on par if not net positive for the res pool

funkit19:10:07 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

It will get better with some higher valuation

Crypto Kong19:10:58 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

funkit

It will get better with some higher valuation

I think witnesses are paid in bts same as fees so doesnt make a difference there but worker spending would drop with price increase

funkit19:11:13 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Yep

Crypto Kong19:12:28 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

But my original point about blocktivity... i would want to see that website included in any marketing proposal.

Crypto Kong19:12:48 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

It is, by far, our best marketing tool

funkit19:14:19 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Clear value propositions is what works in marketing.

Crypto Kong19:15:45 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I know nothing of marketing so i couldnt say lol

Crypto Kong19:17:49 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I know that if you promote blocktivity and people start seeing a load of dead blockxhains and a load of active ones... theyre much more likely to invest or have a browse and checkout the more active ones... see what all the fuss is about, see what theyre missing out on

R20:08:00 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Have you tried out the 'blockchain activity' Google assistant agent yet? It promotes the same stats as blocktivity 👍

Amirah Adaraxxx20:10:08 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hey,any deep binary and crypto trader here ?

Stefan20:14:13 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Amirahadaraxxx

Hey,any deep binary and crypto trader here ?

What does that even mean?

Crypto Kong20:21:45 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

Have you tried out the 'blockchain activity' Google assistant agent yet? It promotes the same stats as blocktivity 👍

I tried it out a while ago when first released but not since, pretty cool! Although not for me i get annoyed when it doesnt understand me haha

Crypto Kong20:22:26 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Im just not techy enough for things like that lol

R20:26:22 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I tried it out a while ago when first released but not since, pretty cool! Although not for me i get annoyed when it doesnt understand me haha

If you enable the personalisation setting and use the Google assistant by voice more often it'll learn how to understand your voice 👍

Crypto Kong20:28:08 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

That stuffs not for me but i can imagine it being more popular with the cool kids lol

Crypto Kong20:28:24 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Its a really cool idea though i was very impressed

Crypto Kong20:29:00 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

And you seemed to build it very quickly too!

R20:34:37 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Thanks, hopefully it can help draw attention to the blockchain activity metrics

Richard Siemens20:43:59 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

What’s up? Have some news, new projects?

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Raygun23:43:49 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

YES. 'crypto-collateralized' is not for everyone, but it really should be at the fore of every crypto enthusiasts mind

What about quint project I keep seeing ? Backered with gold but also money?

Raygun23:44:33 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

@everyone This week's development update is now available: https://crypto-bridge.org/2018/09/25/development-update-september-26-2018/

Wow I didn't know so much was happening at bitshares

John R23:44:34 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Shatataaaah

What about quint project I keep seeing ? Backered with gold but also money?

Article and conversation was in reference to bitusd

Raygun23:45:23 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

Article and conversation was in reference to bitusd

I mean about stable coin that has crypto collateral. Some people dont loke that concept but something with gold collaterap might fo better

Raygun23:45:38 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Or what about gold.usd

Raygun23:45:51 - 26 Sep 2018 [UTC]

That might go far 🤔

FarmerD01:04:25 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Shatataaaah

I mean about stable coin that has crypto collateral. Some people dont like that concept but something with gold collateral might go better

Check out @quintric, it is crypto back by gold.

Raygun01:07:56 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

FarmerD

Check out @quintric, it is crypto back by gold.

Did not know there was a group thank

Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)01:47:39 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Is there a resource listing active validation nodes comprising the BitShares P2P Network? I know we an API list within the UI repo and the seed nodes within the core repo, but I'm wondering if there is a map displaying all active/connected nodes. I've only found seed nodes thus far (credit @wackou): http://status.bitsharesnodes.com/

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ryanRfox

I believe @murda_ra has a list (not sure about a map) of APAsia connected nodes

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is there any bitshares/crypto association in London? Spark is stopping by and we'd love to organise a joint event.

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Shatataaaah

Wow I didn't know so much was happening at bitshares

Thats was just one project, utilising bitshares', here are a load more and then when you also consider all the stuff being improved at the blockchain level too... there is A LOT happening in the bitshares ecosystem. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4Nh1xXwnMLeplCaHXTZlOAJmI8otB5HUK90mRXe7lk/edit?usp=sharing

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Kapil

Can anyone answer what data stores inside blockchain

The data stored includes: the operation(s) wrapped in a transaction concatenated with the chainID wrapped by the signature of authority(s). These are organized into blocks which are signed by the authorized block producer, referencing the prior valid block.

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did anyone try to get bts listed on coinbase? as you probably know it is way easier now

Fabian Schuh13:02:09 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

People are looking into this already .. thanks for asking

Alex M - clockwork13:04:26 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Flo

did anyone try to get bts listed on coinbase? as you probably know it is way easier now

dunno about easier..but def shows theyre more open...fwiw, their digital asset framework for listing has been out for a while now (before their recent announcements) so we've been aware/preparing

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Crypto Kong15:25:33 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptobridge update about nodes and MM program, mentions BitShares in very favourable light and recognises the contribution to help them get going https://crypto-bridge.org/market-maker-program/

Misterb@mmy16:07:20 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

When is mainnet launch

Cryptick Cryptick16:22:29 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

john_robert

Right of course. But BTS is a growth stage enterprise. IMO we should be spending like mad on projects that will grow us into the future.

Hi, I haven't been very active on Telegram recently. BTS fee structure is complicated. I have looked at it several ways and I have major concerns about it. While it is true BTS is in a growth phase and should be spending money, the fee structyre is not (in my opinion) ideal. In that it is not situated to support growth long term. Generally, I believe fee need to be higher. Generally, Fees also go to the wrong people. Obviously, this is a complicated subject. If you want to chat about it. I am happy too explain...

TeeNy16:24:45 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I wish to buy bitcoin, is it allowed?

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はるか16:25:28 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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TeeNy16:25:58 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

why if i may ask?

Misterb@mmy16:29:09 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Misterb@mmy: Please does anyone know what project is launching mainnet on Oct 1st and can process 100000 transactions per seconds

Misterb@mmy16:30:16 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

can bitshare process 100000 transactions per seconds

R16:31:23 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Misterbammy

can bitshare process 100000 transactions per seconds

No, like 5-10k TPS, there are efforts to further scale though

fav16:31:41 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Misterbammy

When is mainnet launch

Are you retarded?

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favdesu

Are you retarded?

believe so

Digital Lucife®16:32:55 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

TeeNy

I want to exchange some Ethereums for bitcoin, i don't know if anyone here is interested

wallet.bitshares.org

Digital Lucife®16:33:00 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Digital Lucife®16:33:06 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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favdesu

Are you retarded?

Yes

Digital Lucife®16:33:43 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Misterbammy

Yes

Another - piss off

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murda_ra

no need to hustle anyone for money

I am not hustling anyone for money Lucife, or did i mention money here?

Misterb@mmy16:35:02 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

murda_ra

believe so

But your father is retarded

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You are asking in group that in title holds DEX (DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE) to do 1on1 swaps.

Digital Lucife®16:35:27 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Misterbammy

But your father is retarded

and dead being retarded.

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TeeNy16:36:33 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

murda_ra

You are asking in group that in title holds DEX (DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE) to do 1on1 swaps.

Oh sorry, didn't get the memo.

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TeeNy

Oh sorry, didn't get the memo.

and check pinned message

TeeNy16:38:04 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

murda_ra

Now i know, thanks for the information

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Valera Cogut16:39:54 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Misterbammy

can bitshare process 100000 transactions per seconds

look this PR code

Valera Cogut16:40:30 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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John R17:47:58 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptick1

The broad consensus is that fees need to increase. Happy to discuss specifics here or dm me.

Taconator18:11:05 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptick1

Concur about higher fees probably being necessary. Accounting by @clockworkgr is valuable.

Taconator18:11:37 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

blockchained

📊 Состояние сети Bitshares – 25 сентября 2018

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Taconator18:12:53 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Taconator

FYI at the moment the BSIP does describe an additional step for the depositor on the BitShares side to retrieve their deposit from an expired HTLC. It is a current design decision that is motivated by potential computational concerns on BPs for automated returns. Debatable. The deposit is always secure. Just requires an extra step to retrieve under the described design.

@clockworkgr specification has changed and now no action is needed as you originally wrote

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Cryptokong123

Cryptobridge update about nodes and MM program, mentions BitShares in very favourable light and recognises the contribution to help them get going https://crypto-bridge.org/market-maker-program/

So just stake 10 bco and then MM bridge markets and they pay based on filled orders? No sign up or nothin

Crypto Kong18:48:04 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

junglegem

So just stake 10 bco and then MM bridge markets and they pay based on filled orders? No sign up or nothin

Thats how it reads to me

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junglegem18:48:57 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Thats how it reads to me

Same to me. Cool thanks Kong! If I ever get out of margins I'll be there

Crypto Kong18:50:15 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Haha i know the feeling lol

Thule 36919:02:51 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27194.0

Thule 36919:03:04 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Why is BSIP42 now being implemented already on BitUSD ?

Crypto Kong19:11:01 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Weirdly enough i did see bitusd on coinmarket cap and thought the peg was good and wondered if it had

Raygun19:36:03 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

That was just one project, utilising bitshares, here are a load more and then when you also consider all the stuff being improved at the blockchain level too... there is A LOT happening in the bitshares ecosystem. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4Nh1xXwnMLeplCaHXTZlOAJmI8otB5HUK90mRXe7lk/edit?usp=sharing

Wow thank you for this

Raygun19:38:52 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

Why is BSIP42 now being implemented already on BitUSD ?

What this meaning?

Thule 36919:39:10 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@clockworkgr no info as commitee member?

Thule 36919:39:33 - 27 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Everything hidden again ?

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Cryptobridge update about nodes and MM program, mentions BitShares in very favourable light and recognises the contribution to help them get going https://crypto-bridge.org/market-maker-program/

CB devs originally worked for bitshares

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the price feed mechanism should be open and the results should be discussed befor changing another price feed

Thom verbaltech200:41:36 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

habibi7

the price feed mechanism should be open and the results should be discussed befor changing another price feed

Thank you.

Droucil01:05:48 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

Why is BSIP42 now being implemented already on BitUSD ?

Is this why the price feed is off so much?

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habibi7

the price feed mechanism should be open and the results should be discussed befor changing another price feed

I am not here for as long but I think this is case

Alex02:47:37 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

the price feed needs better comunication befor implementing, it introduction doesn't look good, how it was done

Alex02:50:43 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

unless we did not analyze/discuss the results we shouldn't change anything further

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JonnyB07:59:57 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

habibi7

the price feed mechanism should be open and the results should be discussed befor changing another price feed

BSIP42 allows witnesses to feed in inaccurate price feeds. They don't have to explain. BSIP42 is a huge change in the way bitshares works. Can't really call smart coins smart contracts now. Price feeds are supposed to be honest.

JonnyB08:01:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BSIP42 means the bitshares Blockchain no longer knows the prices of assets.

R08:06:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Not for private mpas though, hero and hertz are unaffected.

R08:08:18 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

habibi7

the price feed mechanism should be open and the results should be discussed befor changing another price feed

I agree. AFAIK only cny was in scope, vote out poor usd price feed publishers 👍

Mathew08:22:15 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Big change without proper consultation and the people saying 'theres nothing to stop this being applied to bitUSD straight away were shouted down as spreading fud because it was only for bitCNY and the situation there is unique because of liquidity etc.

Mathew08:23:22 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

The only reason to rush this through is to protect margin holders at the expense of coin stability

Mathew08:25:40 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I'm not saying we shouldn't try different things to get the peg working as best it can while still being protected/backed but it's disappointing to see this getting pushed through even tho most people seem to be of a view it's a bad idea or at least should be proven with bitCNY first

R08:28:21 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Change your witness/worker/proxy votes then 👍

Mathew08:28:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Part of me does think global settlement would be so terrible for BTS that it would undermine smartcoin anyway so who knows.

Mathew08:29:04 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

Change your witness/worker/proxy votes then 👍

Obviously I've already made sure my proxy isn't voting for it...

R08:29:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Part of me does think global settlement would be so terrible for BTS that it would undermine smartcoin anyway so who knows.

Bsip 18 negates global settlements once backing collateral reserves are topped up

Zapata08:35:51 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

Not for private mpas though, hero and hertz are unaffected.

I think they are too as some scripts use bitUsd settlement price as their ref.

R08:36:33 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Zapata_42

I think they are too as some scripts use bitUsd settlement price as their ref.

True, hertz does reference bitusd for some of its scripts 🤦‍♂️

R09:24:29 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Zapata_42

I think they are too as some scripts use bitUsd settlement price as their ref.

https://github.com/BTS-CM/scripts/issues/2 Addressed the issue now, at least 😬

阿噶

阿里噶套09:26:06 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

有会中文的吗

Zapata09:35:57 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

https://github.com/BTS-CM/scripts/issues/2 Addressed the issue now, at least 😬

Yes bsip42 goal is to reduce the bitUsd/USD premium, so if you take the bitUsd/BTS from the DEX market it will be accurate eventually.

Andrey Semenov09:41:33 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Zapata_42

Yes bsip42 goal is to reduce the bitUsd/USD premium, so if you take the bitUsd/BTS from the DEX market it will be accurate eventually.

I not sure that man, which settle bitUSD can sell BTS on central exchanges exit in cash and get 1$. Central exchanges have commision on exit and exhange.usd not equial real usd.

Andrey Semenov09:47:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I unvote all witnesses which give overpriced feeds. Recommend and other do this. Work of witness - give price in real money and any manipulations not must be even if target seen like a good.

Thule 36909:59:08 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

The only reason to rush this through is to protect margin holders at the expense of coin stability

This comment is in my opinion the real reason of BSIP42 and all the other request made by bitcrab and abit . How many % of his Collateral would bitcrab lose if we will see a BTS price of 0.25-0.3 CNY ? Abit already posted that a "black swan" can't be prevented and to remove the force settlement...... It clearly indicates for me the real reason is collateral protection being sold in trojan horses and thats also why bitcrab is rushing as the bigger downtrend could already begin again end of this month

Zapata09:59:18 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

akledirs

I not sure that man, which settle bitUSD can sell BTS on central exchanges exit in cash and get 1$. Central exchanges have commision on exit and exhange.usd not equial real usd.

Witness are aware of that and take that into account for the computation of the premium (and then the guided price). If you are able to provide a more accurate price, please feel free to propose your algorithm.

Zapata10:00:03 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

akledirs

I unvote all witnesses which give overpriced feeds. Recommend and other do this. Work of witness - give price in real money and any manipulations not must be even if target seen like a good.

I don't think unvoting the witnesses is the right approach, witness just implement the BSIP42 as voted. If you disagree with BSIP42 please unvote the BSIP.

Thule 36910:01:22 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Zapata_42

I don't think unvoting the witnesses is the right approach, witness just implement the BSIP42 as voted. If you disagree with BSIP42 please unvote the BSIP.

Is BSIP42 being accepted as success on BitCNY ?If yes where ?

Andrey Semenov10:01:39 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Zapata_42

I don't think unvoting the witnesses is the right approach, witness just implement the BSIP42 as voted. If you disagree with BSIP42 please unvote the BSIP.

Witnesses without any bsip42 now give feedprices on ~10% up then needed

Zapata10:04:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

Is BSIP42 being accepted as success on BitCNY ?If yes where ?

The current premium of bitCNY/CNY is between 0.3/-0.3%, so it is considered the bsip a success. Some shareholders think that it's too early to make conclusion, but the general agreement it's that so far it works.

Andrey Semenov10:04:40 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Zapata_42

I don't think unvoting the witnesses is the right approach, witness just implement the BSIP42 as voted. If you disagree with BSIP42 please unvote the BSIP.

I not vote for bsip42 too

Zapata10:05:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

akledirs

I not vote for bsip42 too

Me neither.. but as a witness I apply the rules that the shareholders wants.

Thule 36910:05:38 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Zapata_42

thats only one aspect of BSIP42.What about negativ effects?

Thule 36910:05:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Where is data being published we can check ?

Thule 36910:06:10 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

where is the general agreement ?

Zapata10:06:56 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

akledirs

Witnesses without any bsip42 now give feedprices on ~10% up then needed

Currently the majority of the witness apply BSIP42 on bitUSD. So it is safest that everyone apply it, than a mix of the two.

Thule 36910:07:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

How can you say its a big success when there was no bigger down movement yet ?

Zapata10:07:55 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

thats only one aspect of BSIP42.What about negativ effects?

I agree we need more time to see the negative effects.. the market is too quite currently to make final decisions.

Mathew10:08:05 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

How can you say its a big success when there was no bigger down movement yet ?

👆👆

Mathew10:08:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

This is the whole concern

Mathew10:08:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I'd want to see bitCNY holding up okay during an aggressive dip in price

Zapata10:08:57 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

Where is data being published we can check ?

You can check the premium on AEX or ZB: https://trans.zb.com/markets/bitcnyqc

Zapata10:09:40 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

where is the general agreement ?

bitcrab made a presentation on the topic at bitfest.

Thule 36910:10:08 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

yes and as i heard most people where against a quick implementation on BitUSD

Thule 36910:10:31 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i talked to Ronny and he is also wondering its already being implemented on bitUSD

Zapata10:11:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

yes and as i heard most people where against a quick implementation on BitUSD

Some witnesses published an adjusted bitUSD since the begining of BSIP42 (as they use bitCNY price to compute bitUSD)

Thule 36910:11:37 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

What i can predict is once BSIP42 will be implemented on bitUSD you will be forced to remove global settlement once the market keeps going down

Thule 36910:12:56 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

and nobody can tell me that bitusd is backed by anything once it has been removed as there is no gateway for bitusd - usd

Zapata10:16:18 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

What i can predict is once BSIP42 will be implemented on bitUSD you will be forced to force settlement once the market keeps going down

The idea is already in discussion, but it does not satisfy anyone so other ideas are needed

Zapata10:17:52 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sorry I thought you where talking about the remove of the force settlement.

Thule 36910:29:22 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

lowering the MCR is not a solution

Stefan10:30:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

lowering the MCR is not a solution

I beg to differ. I have discussed approaches leveraging the MCR and they seem more transparent than current approach

Thule 36910:30:59 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

I beg to differ. I have discussed approaches leveraging the MCR and they seem more transparent than current approach

Stefan i'm a trader and look as a perspectiv of a trader

Thule 36910:31:33 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

if BTS price goes down to 0.25-0.3 CNY how are you going to prevent a force settlement if BSIP42 will be implemented on BitUSD ?

Stefan10:35:03 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Current approach: - enforce feed price that tightens the peg - effectively MCR is lowered and settlement promise of SmartCoins is broken - hope the market agrees, market price catches up to feed price at which point all is good Suggestion: - return to previous price feed - allow witnesses to adjust MCR based on premium to incentivize a tighter peg - hope the market agrees and the market price (as well as feed price) move towards a tighter peg - maintain settlement promise, but let the market decide what MCR is acceptable in order to have a better peg IMO a SmartCoin with 175% collateral (additionally you can send it around the world in 3sec) must be worth more than its FIAT counterpart.

Stefan10:37:41 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

In BSIP42 a central authority enforces the price and breaks SmartCoin promise, in the hope that arbitration will let the market catch up and fix it. My suggestion allows the market to decide itself what MCR is reflecting a 1:1 peg

Thule 36910:38:34 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

You see we both have a diffrent understanding for what BSIP42 is being used

Thule 36910:39:01 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

myself i said already many times BSIP42 is a protection for collateral holders

Stefan10:39:07 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

You need to discuss on that level. Effective traders will always find a way to profit, no matter what

Stefan10:39:19 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

myself i said already many times BSIP42 is a protection for collateral holders

Yes, but that argument won't change anything

Thule 36910:40:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

I highly doubt bitcrab will agree to that

Thule 36910:40:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

it depends on what you belive what the real purpose of BSIP42 is

Stefan10:40:53 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

it depends on what you belive what the real purpose of BSIP42 is

That's allegation and won't get us anywhere. Please take a moment to reflect on my suggestion

Thule 36910:41:07 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Stefan i agree on your suggestions

Thule 36910:41:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

no question

Thule 36910:41:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

but in my eyes bitcrab will never agree on that

Thule 36910:41:31 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

since the purpose od BSIP42 is another

Thule 36910:41:42 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

you can of course proceed and have my support

Alex M - clockwork10:41:51 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

actually bitcrab has suggested this : "allow witnesses to adjust MCR based on premium to incentivize a tighter peg" too

Alex M - clockwork10:41:57 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

instead of messign with teh feed

Fabian Schuh10:43:27 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

but in my eyes bitcrab will never agree on that

You still fail to understand on-chain governance if you keep blaming bitcrab for everything .. how about you learn some diplomacy and politics?

Mathew10:43:34 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

The plan was to try this on bitCNY then move over to bitUSD if it works right?

Mathew10:43:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

That's my main concern tbh, CNY has the liquidity and on off ramps, bitUSD doesn't

Thule 36910:43:58 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

You still fail to understand on-chain governance if you keep blaming bitcrab for everything .. how about you learn some diplomacy and politics?

Fabian there is clearly a lack of governance which you are part of

Fabian Schuh10:44:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

actually bitcrab has suggested this : "allow witnesses to adjust MCR based on premium to incentivize a tighter peg" too

Yeys, I guess a new BSIP needs to make it more clear to keep the price "fair" and only tweak the MCR (IMHO)

Thule 36910:44:21 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i don't learn politics since i know what garbage it is as my father was a politican

Fabian Schuh10:44:25 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

That's my main concern tbh, CNY has the liquidity and on off ramps, bitUSD doesn't

agreed ..

Mathew10:44:45 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I think there is an argument we are not achieving what we should with stable coins considering how long we've had them so I'm not against moves to try and correct that

Fabian Schuh10:45:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I do think that bitCNY has achieved quite a lot thanks to the BitShares people in china ..

Fabian Schuh10:46:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

we need to realize and accept the fact that bitassets are still tiny .. and so far, they serve a niche ..

Fabian Schuh10:46:22 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

as long as we are in a niche, i think we can take more freedom to learn .. to some extend ..

Thule 36910:46:22 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

Yeys, I guess a new BSIP needs to make it more clear to keep the price "fair" and only tweak the MCR (IMHO)

BTW where is the diplomacy and politics on the 5% settlement agreement which should have been removed a long time ago ? Oh i forgat politics.Poor promises to get votes and once its achieved there is no turn back

Alex M - clockwork10:46:26 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

That's my main concern tbh, CNY has the liquidity and on off ramps, bitUSD doesn't

Same concern

Fabian Schuh10:46:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BSIP42 tough us something already ..

Fabian Schuh10:47:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

it's your freedom to do politics the way you want it .. but I have more at stake than just an anonymous telegram handle

Mathew10:47:05 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

as long as we are in a niche, i think we can take more freedom to learn .. to some extend ..

True, safer done with one asset with high liquidity and on/off ramps tho

Mathew10:47:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

We all want the same thing

Fabian Schuh10:47:18 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I would have preferred to stick with bitCNY too ..

Thule 36910:47:38 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

BSIP42 tough us something already ..

i'm not anonymous .many people know me from real life and my ip is also not anonymous

Alex M - clockwork10:47:39 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

We could try bitEUR to see how it performs on a less liquid assets...but also one that has less risk to it

Crypto Kong10:48:18 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Could a testcoin not be created by the comitee?

Fabian Schuh10:48:34 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I think i agree with Alex ... there was quite some discussion about bitUSD having a focus on a regulated market with potential for drama .. bitEUR is easier to tackle for now ..

Mathew10:48:39 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

We could try bitEUR to see how it performs on a less liquid assets...but also one that has less risk to it

This is actually an excellent point - we could try some more experimental options with pegged assets that haven't gained any traction

Stefan10:48:44 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Could a testcoin not be created by the comitee?

We have a testnet :P

Fabian Schuh10:49:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

testnet is worthless ... incentives are weird

Crypto Kong10:49:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Could the markets not be replicated on the test net or a test coin on main net?

Crypto Kong10:49:26 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

testnet is worthless ... incentives are weird

Mathew10:49:36 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Could the markets not be replicated on the test net or a test coin on main net?

Why not just bitEUR?

Alex M - clockwork10:49:36 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

feed price/mcr changes influence the market

Crypto Kong10:49:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Why not just bitEUR?

Theres still risk although agreed its less

Alex M - clockwork10:50:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

so testnet version would be decoupled from the cycle

Alex M - clockwork10:50:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thus leading to no useful conclusions

Crypto Kong10:50:15 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Ok cool thanks for explaininf

Fabian Schuh10:50:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I like Stefans proposal of sticking with a fair price for the feed price and allowing supply to grow easier by reducing the MCR dynamically ..

Mathew10:50:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Or create bitAED with much lower collateral ratio/whatever else we want to try and state on the cover page it's a more high risk asset due to experimenting with different backing

Alex M - clockwork10:50:50 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thats the problem really...it's a feedback mechanism so anythign less than the live version wont actually show anythign meanignful

Fabian Schuh10:51:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@clockworkgr Have you ever thought through Stefan's proposal of keeping price feed "fair" and only allow dynamic MCR?

Fabian Schuh10:51:41 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

like in ...

Alex M - clockwork10:51:47 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

yes

Fabian Schuh10:51:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

if premium is >0, reduce MCR if premium is <0, increase MCR

Alex M - clockwork10:52:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Ive also repeatedly stated thats what teh effect of what we're doing is

Alex M - clockwork10:52:08 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

and that it would be more transparent

Thule 36910:52:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I fully support Stefan's suggestion

Alex M - clockwork10:52:39 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

just not sure if it's potentially more dangerous

Fabian Schuh10:53:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Ok, so here is what I want to do next week: * write a new BSIP to implement dynamic MCR * apply if to bitEUR (at least - ideally also bitUSD)

Alex M - clockwork10:53:03 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

as calls would be all over the place

Alex M - clockwork10:53:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

soem earlier, some later, some smaller, some larger

Alex M - clockwork10:53:16 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

and mostly unexpected

Fabian Schuh10:53:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

bitCNY can stay the way it works now .. it's a chinese community driven asset after all

Alex M - clockwork10:53:26 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

might actually be better for the market

Alex M - clockwork10:53:32 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

in terms of liquidity

Fabian Schuh10:53:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

and mostly unexpected

I agree ..

Alex M - clockwork10:53:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

but yeah...it would be fairer and more transparent

Alex M - clockwork10:53:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

but also less predictable :/

Fabian Schuh10:54:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

the only con that i see is that margin calls may happen unexpectedly when MCR is raised (in case the premium is <0)

Stefan10:54:20 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

but also less predictable :/

In both cases you can create feedback loops with unexpected results

Fabian Schuh10:54:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

as long as shorters *KNOW* that the MCR can raise according to "external premiums", I think that's a public risk

Alex M - clockwork10:54:50 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

In both cases you can create feedback loops with unexpected results

yeah but in current scenario it can be controlled by careful feed scripts

Stefan10:55:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

In BSIP42's case the price feed to market price ratio would go nuts, but peg maintains. In my suggestion, the MCR might go AWOL, but price feed maintains

Alex M - clockwork10:55:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

if we go with market behaviour aloen ...although fairer...much more unexpected

Stefan10:55:14 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

yeah but in current scenario it can be controlled by careful feed scripts

MCR would also be fed by script

Alex M - clockwork10:55:51 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

MCR would also be fed by script

yeah but if we start saying oh we wont allow MCR to rise more than X % even if premium is Y etc

Alex M - clockwork10:56:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thats no different than what we're doign now

Fabian Schuh10:56:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

In case the premium is <0, the MCR would be raised (gradually) according to abs(premium). That would potentially lead to margin calls that buy from the market and raise the price so that the premium goes -> 0 or above ..

Fabian Schuh10:56:10 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

if no margin calls happen, nothing changes

Alex M - clockwork10:56:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

in any case

Alex M - clockwork10:56:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I'm for that suggestion more than messign with the feed

Stefan10:56:29 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

thats no different than what we're doign now

Right now we are breaking a fundamental smartcoin promise

Fabian Schuh10:56:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

this would literally only shake out shorters that have to little collateal

Alex M - clockwork10:57:01 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sure

Fabian Schuh10:57:05 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Here is another drawback ..

Fabian Schuh10:57:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

it may be less "efficient" than BSIP42 ..

Fabian Schuh10:57:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

because the *market* needs to tackle supply/demand and move external+internal price ..

Alex M - clockwork10:57:47 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

it may be less "efficient" than BSIP42 ..

depends...i think it might make the market more liquid and thus work out better/same

Fabian Schuh10:57:53 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

also, the core "issue" remains which says that bitUSD has more utility than $

Thule 36910:58:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Right now we are breaking a fundamental smartcoin promise

👆

Fabian Schuh10:58:10 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

so we may end up with some premium >0

Alex M - clockwork10:58:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

also, the core "issue" remains which says that bitUSD has more utility than $

can we price that in any way?

Alex M - clockwork10:58:40 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

say set the threshold at 1% rather than 0

Fabian Schuh10:58:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

provided that the only dynamic variable would be the MCR ... we could only continue reducing the MCR until the lower bound is reached or the markets remove the premium

Alex M - clockwork10:59:04 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

so try that on bitUSD and leave bitCNY with the old system?

Fabian Schuh10:59:09 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

say set the threshold at 1% rather than 0

what threshold?

Alex M - clockwork10:59:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

compare what works out better?

Fabian Schuh10:59:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

so try that on bitUSD and leave bitCNY with the old system?

That's what I would think is the best for "experimentation" ..

Alex M - clockwork10:59:28 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

what threshold?

ie. if we have between 0-1% premium

Stefan10:59:31 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

what threshold?

Threshhold for peg tightness. Right now BSIP42 wants 0.

Alex M - clockwork10:59:37 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

we dotn lower MCR

Fabian Schuh10:59:41 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

although it is more difficult to the outside, because both bitUSD and bitCNY behave differently then

Alex M - clockwork10:59:51 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

as we consider 1% within the accepted utility added value range

Stefan10:59:56 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BitCNY should be worth more, so the target peg would be a 1% or something premium

Fabian Schuh10:59:58 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Let's do the edge case ..

Fabian Schuh11:00:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

let's say the MCR is 100.1% (the lowest technically possible), would you borrow 1 bitUSD using 1.001$ worth of BTS to sell into a market that has a 1% premium?

Fabian Schuh11:01:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

The lower bound for the MCR may well be what limits the premium on the market ..

Fabian Schuh11:01:34 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

say ... MCR can only go down to 110%, then we may up in a premium that is f(MCR), say 2% or whatever the market decides

Alex M - clockwork11:01:37 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

so go for 0 then? and let the market move aroudn it?

Alex M - clockwork11:01:53 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i mean aim for ...

Fabian Schuh11:02:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Let me think this through ..

Stefan11:02:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

A: "Write a BSIP for it" B: "Fuck off" 😆

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Alex M - clockwork11:02:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@abitmore thoughts?

Stefan11:02:43 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

A: "Write a BSIP for it" B: "Fuck off" 😆

I suppose that one will emerge in the near future

Fabian Schuh11:02:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

let's say we have 100.1% as MCR, and people are borrowing like crazy to sell them at market ... then the BTS price (or premium) changes and a margin call happens, we may well end up in those positions not able to cover ..

Fabian Schuh11:03:05 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hence, we can't allow 100.1% as lower bound be cause we need the backoff for black swan

Crypto Kong11:03:05 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

A: "Write a BSIP for it" B: "Fuck off" 😆

Lol

は

はるか11:03:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

110 is dangerous enough

Stefan11:03:21 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

That's why some premium should be the target, not 1:1 peg

Fabian Schuh11:03:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

harukaff_bot

110 is dangerous enough

I agree

は

はるか11:03:31 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

as margin call would happen on price / 1.1

Fabian Schuh11:03:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

That's why some premium should be the target, not 1:1 peg

Also agreed

Fabian Schuh11:04:01 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

harukaff_bot

as margin call would happen on price / 1.1

basically, the MCR would barely be enough to fill orders up to the short protection ratio

Fabian Schuh11:05:42 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Now, here is the other thing ... a black swan isn't *THAT BAD* ... since the total collateral is usually much higher than the total debt .. other people protect the collateralization ..

Fabian Schuh11:06:19 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

**Now, if we were to force settle only those that go <100% ...** We get rid of those that cannot manage their collateral ratio and not risk the entire asset ..

Thule 36911:06:26 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

Now, here is the other thing ... a black swan isn't *THAT BAD* ... since the total collateral is usually much higher than the total debt .. other people protect the collateralization ..

It would destroy a lot of trust in that coin

R11:06:31 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

Now, here is the other thing ... a black swan isn't *THAT BAD* ... since the total collateral is usually much higher than the total debt .. other people protect the collateralization ..

It's not even really a 'black swan' anymore, given that BSIP 18 provides the ability to resolve global settlement states

Fabian Schuh11:06:53 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

It's not even really a 'black swan' anymore, given that BSIP 18 provides the ability to resolve global settlement states

... and it would even do that automatically in case the BTS price rises again afterwards ..

Alex M - clockwork11:07:01 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

Now, if we were to force settle only those that go <100% ... We get rid of those that cannot manage their collateral ratio and not risk the entire asset ..

this

Fabian Schuh11:07:14 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

dang ...

Stefan11:07:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

Now, if we were to force settle only those that go <100% ... We get rid of those that cannot manage their collateral ratio and not risk the entire asset ..

That's an idea

Fabian Schuh11:07:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

you can't actualyl "force settle" a short position :D

Fabian Schuh11:07:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

lol

Alex M - clockwork11:07:36 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

alwyas felt dumb to me how a single idiot thats doesnt update his collateral can take down an entire asset

Alex M - clockwork11:07:41 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

even if his debt is liek 3$

Stefan11:07:42 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

A: "Write a BSIP for it" B: "Fuck off" 😆

@xeroc

Mathew11:07:52 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

Now, if we were to force settle only those that go <100% ... We get rid of those that cannot manage their collateral ratio and not risk the entire asset ..

👆

Thule 36911:08:20 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

Now, if we were to force settle only those that go <100% ... We get rid of those that cannot manage their collateral ratio and not risk the entire asset ..

👍

Fabian Schuh11:08:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

so ... the other idea that makes no sense in combination with BSIP42 but makes sense now would be ... **remove the short protection ratio** as soon as your ratio goes below ... say 130% ..

Alex M - clockwork11:08:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

possibly penalise people who co udner MCR?

Alex M - clockwork11:08:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

variable MSSR dependign on % below mcr?

Alex M - clockwork11:08:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

so ... the other idea that makes no sense in combination with BSIP42 but makes sense now would be ... remove the short protection ratio as soon as your ratio goes below ... say 130% ..

exactly

Fabian Schuh11:09:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

in case of 130%, the short protection ratio of 10% wouldn't be valid anymore and you'd pay a premium of up to 30% (what you have left)

Fabian Schuh11:09:32 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

this is also what MakerDAO/DAI does..

Stefan11:09:47 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

so ... the other idea that makes no sense in combination with BSIP42 but makes sense now would be ... remove the short protection ratio as soon as your ratio goes below ... say 130% ..

It would make sense to have the SSPR be dependent on your CR

Alex M - clockwork11:09:52 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

"Typical friday conversation" :D

Stefan11:09:58 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

variable MSSR dependign on % below mcr?

Ah, this

Alex M - clockwork11:09:58 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

good stuff here today

Stefan11:10:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

A: "Write a BSIP for it" B: "Fuck off" 😆

@clockworkgr

Alex M - clockwork11:10:38 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

@clockworkgr

I'll pay you to write it for me

Stefan11:10:48 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

So we have three potentially effective idea.

Stefan11:11:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

I'll pay you to write it for me

I think @xeroc already does that 😆

Alex M - clockwork11:11:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

So we have three potentially effective ideas.

more a case of them workign together i think

Stefan11:11:53 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

more a case of them workign together i think

The side sentence of "lets put them all in one BSIP" was missing

Alex M - clockwork11:12:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BSIP-999 "Fix stuff"

Alex M - clockwork11:12:26 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

/dev/null of BSIPs

Stefan11:12:33 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Your typical commit message

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:14:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

is the squeeze protection ratio and the maintenance collatoral ratio basically the same thing? wouldn't just adjusting the squeeze protection price be a fix?

Stefan11:15:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

is the squeeze protection ratio and the maintenance collatoral ratio basically the same thing? wouldn't just adjusting the squeeze protection price be a fix?

It's both variables for the same game and together potentially much more effective together to achieve the goal

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:16:52 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

It's both variables for the same game and together potentially much more effective together to achieve the goal

👌

JonnyB11:20:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BTS volatility should be the main concern when deciding on the MCR and shouldn't be adjusted very often or by much.

JonnyB11:22:49 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

In the real world of finance collateral with low volatility and high liquidity will be more likely to secure a bigger loan to value.

fav11:23:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/1Brokercom/status/1045631416699170817?s=19 US seized their domain just like that. We need to push BEET

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:26:04 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/pull/104

is this bsip going to be implemented soon? was it agreed upon for final implementation?

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:26:18 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

htlc

JonnyB11:26:40 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I hope so

JonnyB11:26:56 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i'm not a dev

C🇧

C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:27:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

I hope so

so its still potential.. i just read bsip 40 was approved. not bsip44

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:27:45 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

how do they manage to implement htlc ? i am curious...

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:27:57 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

eos should be able to do the same then

Fabian Schuh11:28:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cpbentley

is this bsip going to be implemented soon? was it agreed upon for final implementation?

its in development already

C🇧

C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:28:13 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i heard from komodo eos does not support htlc

Fabian Schuh11:28:28 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cpbentley

eos should be able to do the same then

any smartcontracting platform can .. including eos and ethereum

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:28:39 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

of course

C🇧

C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:28:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

you need protocol upgrade though

C🇧

C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:29:09 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

eth does not support htlc today

Fabian Schuh11:29:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

BitShares needs .. ethereum and eos (IMHO) not

C🇧

C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:29:25 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

komodo uses a sidechain to swap ethereum

C🇧

C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:29:40 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

eos not???

Fabian Schuh11:29:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

i wonder wyh ..

JonnyB11:29:57 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cpbentley

how do they manage to implement htlc ? i am curious...

https

Fabian Schuh11:30:02 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

EOS doesnt do "alot" right now .. who knows what people are working on

JonnyB11:30:24 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

cpbentley

how do they manage to implement htlc ? i am curious...

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hashed_Timelock_Contracts

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:30:29 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

bts needs htlc

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:30:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

true dex then

JonnyB11:30:49 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

not quite

JonnyB11:30:59 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

but a step in the right direction

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:31:07 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hashed_Timelock_Contracts

man i know how htlc works in bitcoin

Alex M - clockwork11:31:10 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

EOS doesnt do "alot" right now .. who knows what people are working on

rofl

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:31:22 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

the challemge is to implement it with account based bts

JonnyB11:31:50 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Atomic deposits would be nice first

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:31:57 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

there is a reason eth does not have htlc yet

C🇧

C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:32:50 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

its tricky to store the hash and time lock in account based chains

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:33:05 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

where will bts store the hash lock?

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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪11:34:28 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

@fav any idea?

Fabian Schuh11:37:27 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://www.coinbase.com/price/bitshares this is a good sign, no?

Stefan11:39:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

https://www.coinbase.com/price/bitshares this is a good sign, no?

Crypto Kong11:40:25 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Standard disclaimer lol

Crypto Kong11:40:37 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Better to be on there than not!

Crypto Kong11:40:46 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Free marketing 👍

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:41:25 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://coingape.com/coinbase-on-wall-street-launches-new-products/

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:45:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://ethereumworldnews.com/coinbase-backed-compound-launches-users-can-short-ethereum-eth-0x-zrx-augur-rep/

Slavi La Libertad11:47:29 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Coinify, coinbase, coingate, coinpayments accept bts, bitusd, biteur, bitcny. Shapeshift and changelly have bts for exchanging. That will be nice for a start. 😎 Then bitpay...

Alex M - clockwork11:51:39 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

xeroc

https://www.coinbase.com/price/bitshares this is a good sign, no?

would be better if price was 1.00 :P

Fabian Schuh11:52:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

or 2 :)

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:59:29 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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Thule 36912:01:50 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

would be better if price was 1.00 :P

First it goes further down IMO to create a good entry lvl institutional money

Alex M - clockwork12:02:16 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

First it goes further down IMO to create a good entry lvl institutional money

maybe maybe not...

Alex M - clockwork12:02:25 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

really dont know

Alex M - clockwork12:02:33 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thought it would drop furtehr last bear run

Thule 36912:03:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

sept 30 could be starting dropping again

Alex M - clockwork12:03:04 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

but seems like there's shitloads of support aroudn 8.5C

Alex M - clockwork12:03:23 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

we shall see

Thule 36912:04:35 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

we shall see

yes would be nice to see the performence of BSIP42 if ETF gets delayed on sept 30

Alex M - clockwork12:04:44 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

and i do mean we'll see..i have no idea what will happen...just saying i was surprised to see such strong support last time

Crypto Kong12:11:27 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

and i do mean we'll see..i have no idea what will happen...just saying i was surprised to see such strong support last time

Not to get into trading talk to much but i put fresh fiat into BTS whenever it drops below 10cents

Alex M - clockwork12:11:49 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

my point exactly

Crypto Kong12:12:06 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Its a good psycological price point

Crypto Kong12:13:33 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Good chat here earlier, seem to have even pleased @thule369 😜

Fabian Schuh12:13:48 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

times have changed :) I can remember when people were trying to push BTS through 0.02, from **below**

Mathew12:13:58 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Not to get into trading talk to much but i put fresh fiat into BTS whenever it drops below 10cents

Up until a few months ago I couldn't see us dropping below 12c - I put a massive chunk in at 15c 😅

Mathew12:14:08 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

*massive is a relative term here

Mathew12:14:20 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Literally numbers of pounds

Crypto Kong12:14:26 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Up until a few months ago I couldn't see us dropping below 12c - I put a massive chunk in at 15c 😅

Will still end up getting a good return, pateince is key

Mathew12:14:54 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Hodl the line

Alex M - clockwork12:15:32 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgr3pvBr-I

Crypto Kong12:17:22 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

I just think its crazy to think if we go back to previous ATH at some point, which most expect, your getting a x10 on your money you put in now

Crypto Kong12:18:12 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Obviously nothing is guaranteed, trade resposibly lol

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:18:20 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

yes would be nice to see the performence of BSIP42 if ETF gets delayed on sept 30

Expected to be delayed until Dec 29 with CBOE likely to gain ETF approval.https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2018/08/u-s-sec-we-will-make-a-decision-regarding-vaneck-solidx-bitcoin-etf-by-30-september-2018/

Thule 36912:21:33 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

Expected to be delayed until Dec 29 with CBOE most likely to gain ETF approval. https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2018/08/u-s-sec-we-will-make-a-decision-regarding-vaneck-solidx-bitcoin-etf-by-30-september-2018/

I know i'm betting on heavy falling prices

Thule 36912:21:45 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

am currently all on fiat

Thule 36912:21:49 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

or bitasset

Thule 36912:24:59 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I just think its crazy to think if we go back to previous ATH at some point, which most expect, your getting a x10 on your money you put in now

more than x10 if you use margin. However i still belive bitshares needs more mass adoption and it leaks IMO massivly in marketing.We got great tech guys here which is really great but it also seems it lead to neglect marketing for mass adoption. With the possibilities bitshares network own it could really get a major player quickly on exchanges if people would focus more on marketing instead only on tech staff

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:28:55 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

I know i'm betting on heavy falling prices

👍

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John Clough

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Alex13:10:30 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

With 80% refferal and palmpay mass adoption should be possible

Alex13:13:00 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

Nano Ledger and Coinbase would boost BTS even further

Thule 36913:52:01 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

habibi7

With 80% refferal and palmpay mass adoption should be possible

80% of bitshares network fee is nothing compared to other exchanges

Thule 36913:52:17 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

You need also offer a cut of trading fee's on gateway assets

Alex M - clockwork13:53:11 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

thule369

You need also offer a cut of trading fee's on gateway assets

https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/102#issuecomment-422468679

Alex M - clockwork13:53:16 - 28 Sep 2018 [UTC]

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