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Alex M - clockwork21:27:27 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

But it doesn't have the same feel nowadays

it's been getting more active last few months

Alex M - clockwork21:27:43 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

will be adding bitshares account auth to it soon

Dan Notestein21:27:44 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hmm, he's got open.usdt too

Dan Notestein21:31:41 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

nice

21 Savage21:49:16 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

if so, bitUSD was revived...it is no longer in global settlement so force settlements take the usual 24 hrs

Yes bitusd and thanks

bench22:30:24 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

I think we should give smartcoins a fucking rest. Can't change every week

dynamic invorement needs dynamic parameters to get stable coins

Lisa Cryptohuntress and Biohacker22:42:59 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

im pretty sure i know the answer and its im screwed....i set up a bitchares account over a year ago i have a username and a very logn password but it doesnt work .....i have tried a dozen times as it was the first wallet i ever had i dont seem to have any other back up....i ddibt know what i was doing then so hey ho.....its only badcoin that i was given anyway but annoying ;-(

NatoshiSakamoto22:44:35 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptohuntressworld

May the odds forever be in your favor.

Lisa Cryptohuntress and Biohacker22:59:44 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

NatoshiSakamotoo

May the odds forever be in your favor.

thanks

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Loganbest23:37:48 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Loganbest23:38:38 - 04 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dima BLCKCHND00:36:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptohuntressworld

If it's nothing there, create a new one, it's free

Loganbest00:52:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz03:04:58 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

dynamic invorement needs dynamic parameters to get stable coins

this is a wrong idea

shulthz03:05:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dynamic parameters will destroy the stable coins

shulthz03:06:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we need settlement the bitasset😍

shulthz03:08:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we need settlement the bitasset😍 to prevent the GS

Mathew03:31:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptohuntressworld

@btswallethelp is your best point of call!

funkit 🐝💋🍯03:41:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Both wrong. The stable coins would be totally ok and not settle if there was sufficient supply and demand. It is the market inefficiency, mindless shorters and to some extent manipulation that cause these global settlements. I’m still waiting for the debit card I can load with bitUSD, but in the meantime we have to facilitate use by trading. And wake up dormant portfolios. Equilibrium is my answer: https://steemit.com/bitshares/@funkit/bitshares-equilibrium-smartcoins-on-steroids

Nitiya Muangsuwan03:45:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

And to accomplish that we should never allow bsip42 applied on smart coin without liquidity/demand

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shulthz05:14:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

🤔

Alex M - clockwork05:25:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You're all semi-right

Alex M - clockwork05:26:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Just comparing different things

Alex M - clockwork05:26:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dynamic params is not about making bitassets "safer"

Alex M - clockwork05:26:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It's about ensuring a tighter peg

Alex M - clockwork05:27:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There are more things to be done to make them safer...an insurance fund is one (via market fees)

Alex M - clockwork05:27:58 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Settling from the fee pool could be another...although doubt it can be liquid enough

Alex M - clockwork05:28:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@funkit is right about supply and demand being key. Supply and demand dictate price. That's economics 101

Alex M - clockwork05:29:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But we want a stable price (peg)

Alex M - clockwork05:30:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That means we need to let the market dictate supply and demand in order to peg. You can't make the equation work by putting arbitrary values in each.

Alex M - clockwork05:30:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That's where dynamic params come in

Alex M - clockwork05:31:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Although it's more complicated than that, a lower mcr increases supply(people can borrow more). A higher one increases demand( more people getting margin called)

Alex M - clockwork05:32:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So imho, dynamic params are key. What's important is to find a way to make their use "safe"

Alex M - clockwork05:33:09 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Limited range is one thing

Alex M - clockwork05:33:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

An idea I'm toying with is a reverse bancor algorithm

Alex M - clockwork05:33:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bancor algo sets a "fair" price based on supply and demand

Alex M - clockwork05:33:56 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Since we already know the price

Alex M - clockwork05:34:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We can work backwards to calculate the supply/demand balance required

Alex M - clockwork05:34:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And thus get a ballpark figure for setting dynamic params

Alex M - clockwork05:35:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It's not easy , but it is worth researching and not settling on band aid fixes if we want bitassets to be the best

Alex M - clockwork05:36:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dynamic params are inherently different to the prior bsip42 implementation

Alex M - clockwork05:37:13 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bsip42 relied on price feeds to set the effective mcr but was essentially a derivative of it...so response in market changes was very slow

Alex M - clockwork05:37:35 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

For example... Assume bitcny is in premium

Alex M - clockwork05:38:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And price was fed at 30% above market to counter that

Alex M - clockwork05:38:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If bitcny became discounted due to market changes

Alex M - clockwork05:38:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Price should have been fed BELOW market to counter

Stefan05:38:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Price should have been fed BELOW market to counter

monologue :P

shulthz05:39:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

this is wrong

Alex M - clockwork05:39:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But without a reference, using only the feed price to compare

Alex M - clockwork05:39:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Feed price went +30, +29 +28 etc

shulthz05:39:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we have the lesson from BSIP 42

Alex M - clockwork05:39:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

By the time it went below market...it was too late

Alex M - clockwork05:40:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

we have the lesson from BSIP 42

Try and understand what I'm describing before dismissing all alternatives due to one not being ideal

shulthz05:41:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we have discuss these too much in Chinese fourm

shulthz05:41:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not a good idea

Alex M - clockwork05:41:46 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

we have discuss these too much in Chinese fourm

I know...I follow through Google translate

Alex M - clockwork05:42:05 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz05:42:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

👍

Alex M - clockwork05:42:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bsip42 was a specific way to implement dynamic params that did not work

Alex M - clockwork05:43:01 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Does not mean the dynamic params concept is inherently flawed

shulthz05:43:19 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

BSIP42 was lost control

Alex M - clockwork05:43:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

BSIP42 was lost control

I agree..again...implementation problem...not theory problem

shulthz05:44:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

people were dangerous

shulthz05:44:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

can't be trust

Alex M - clockwork05:45:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Sure...which is why dynamic params are better... Effects are immediate

Alex M - clockwork05:45:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bsip42 issue was with delayed effects

Alex M - clockwork05:46:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dangerous people margining to 1.75 on a 30% higher feed didn't get their calls near market until price had dropped another 20% or so

Alex M - clockwork05:46:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dynamic mcr will have immediate effect

Alex M - clockwork05:46:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Try and understand the difference between the two.

Alex M - clockwork05:47:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Not saying I've got it figured out

shulthz05:47:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dangerous too, will destroy the market quickly too

Alex M - clockwork05:47:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But try and look at it before dismissing it altogether

shulthz05:51:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

No,we have think about it before BSIP 42, this will lead the market very unstable too

shulthz05:52:01 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

feed price,MCR

Alex M - clockwork05:52:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

No,we have think about it before BSIP 42, this will lead the market very unstable too

Forget bsip42... Messing with feed price was wrong...doesn't work

Alex M - clockwork05:52:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Understand that this is NOT the same

shulthz05:52:46 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i know this is not the same

shulthz05:55:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but we have think about it before, they have the same defect

Alex M - clockwork05:55:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it's also esier to test

Alex M - clockwork05:55:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

easier

Alex M - clockwork05:55:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

in a "safe" way

Alex M - clockwork05:55:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

simply by setting limits

Alex M - clockwork05:55:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i.e. start with a 1.7-1.8 range

Alex M - clockwork05:55:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

evaluate , adjust

shulthz05:56:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

let the system to manoeuvre the markets too much

Alex M - clockwork05:56:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

let the system to manoeuvre the markets too much

which is exactly whats needed to keep a tight peg

Alex M - clockwork05:57:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we can't control it...we have to let the market dictate it

shulthz05:57:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we can use the settlement to control the MCR

shulthz05:57:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

let the market to control the MCR itself

Alex M - clockwork05:57:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

settlement is extremely limited

Alex M - clockwork05:57:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

let the market to control the MCR itself

THATS what i'm saying

Alex M - clockwork05:58:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

a STABLE MCR is US controlling the MCR

Alex M - clockwork05:58:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

saying : fuck what the market says...mcr is 1.75

Alex M - clockwork05:58:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dynamic is evluating what the market tells us MCR should be

shulthz05:59:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

e.g we set MCR=1.7 or 1.6, the settlement offset in 1.6 will be -0.5%, 1.75 is 1%, market will choose the right MCR itself

Alex M - clockwork06:00:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

e.g we set MCR=1.7 or 1.6, the settlement offset in 1.6 will be -0.5%, 1.75 is 1%, market will choose the right MCR itself

sorry...dont quite get that

shulthz06:00:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

below the MCR the settlement delay will be one hour

shulthz06:00:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

or more less

shulthz06:01:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

e.g we set MCR=1.7 or 1.6, the settlement offset in CR=1.6 will be -0.5%, CR=1.75 is 1%, market will choose the right MCR itself

Alex M - clockwork06:01:35 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

settlement is inherently unfair

Alex M - clockwork06:01:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

no matter how much bonus you add to it

Alex M - clockwork06:02:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

say I'm lowest CR with an MCR of 2

shulthz06:02:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I mean is Make the settlement offset varied with CR

Alex M - clockwork06:02:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

because everyone has gone very high in CR

Alex M - clockwork06:02:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and at 2 im the lowest

shulthz06:02:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The settlement can have the TARGET COLLATERAL RATIO too

Alex M - clockwork06:02:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

even if you give me a 10% bonus

Alex M - clockwork06:03:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

youre closing part of my position

Alex M - clockwork06:03:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and i cant do jack shit about it

Alex M - clockwork06:03:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it's unfair

Alex M - clockwork06:03:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

10% bonus might make it a little bit better

Alex M - clockwork06:03:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but still not something to be relied on

shulthz06:05:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dynamic MCR will make too much margin call to the market

Alex M - clockwork06:05:58 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

dynamic MCR will make too much margin call to the market

not neccesarily

Alex M - clockwork06:06:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if margin call is "too much" then that means there is higher demand

Alex M - clockwork06:06:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

higher demand will immediately increase the mcr again

Alex M - clockwork06:06:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thats the whole point of it being dynamic

Alex M - clockwork06:07:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

edited

Alex M - clockwork06:07:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

meant decrease... (to increase supply)

Adugna Gizaw06:07:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@vivianmarlissa1 is scam

Adugna Gizaw06:08:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@vivianmarlissa1 is s.c.a.m

shulthz06:08:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

"demand" can't judge

Adugna Gizaw06:08:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@vivianmarlissa1 is s...c.a..m.

Adugna Gizaw06:09:09 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Sccccaaaaaqaammmeers

Alex M - clockwork06:09:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

"demand" can't judge

why not?

Adugna Gizaw06:09:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@vivianmarlissa1 is sccccccameer

shulthz06:09:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

too many Economic theory

shulthz06:09:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

who is right who is wrong

Alex M - clockwork06:10:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not really

Adugna Gizaw06:10:05 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@vivianmarlissa1 is assssscccccaaammmeeer

Alex M - clockwork06:10:09 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

there is a margin wall

Alex M - clockwork06:10:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

looking for large amounts of bitUSD

Alex M - clockwork06:10:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thats demand

Alex M - clockwork06:10:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its not rocket science

Adugna Gizaw06:10:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@vivianmarlissa1 is scaqamer

Alex M - clockwork06:10:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

banned

Alex M - clockwork06:11:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

also,

Alex M - clockwork06:12:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

keep in mind we're not talking about jumping from 1.7 to 1.6 to 1.8 etc every couple of mins

Alex M - clockwork06:12:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

smaller adjustments can have great effect

shulthz06:12:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i know that

Alex M - clockwork06:13:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

especially if it results in a tighter peg

Alex M - clockwork06:13:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

because thsoe margin calls will be nearer to market

Alex M - clockwork06:13:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and thus easier/quicker to eat

Alex M - clockwork06:13:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

right now , margin calls are almost useless

shulthz06:14:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hardly to see

Alex M - clockwork06:14:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you have low MSSR and higher premium....they just show up in the order book

Alex M - clockwork06:14:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they dont actually affect anything

Alex M - clockwork06:14:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

because theyre far from market

Alex M - clockwork06:15:02 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

maybe once or twice someone will do a big buy

Alex M - clockwork06:15:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and eat some

Alex M - clockwork06:15:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but they hardly play the role theyre supposed to

shulthz06:17:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

how the trigger?

Crypto Kong06:18:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The only time margin calls really get eaten is in a bull market retrace

Alex M - clockwork06:18:58 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

The only time margin calls really get eaten is in a bull market retrace

due to teh current setup

Alex M - clockwork06:19:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you have to make the assumptions on a "balanced" tightly pegged bitasset market instead

Crypto Kong06:19:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So people try and margin buy the dip, they under estimate how far it will drop and get called. Then when it reverses and starts going up again, people buy the calls

Alex M - clockwork06:20:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

So people try and margin buy the dip, they under estimate how far it will drop and get called. Then when it reverses and starts going up again, people buy the calls

even then...just barely

Crypto Kong06:20:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

To be honest i dont understand the margin mechanics enough to get involved with majority of suggested changes discussions

Alex M - clockwork06:20:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

as most of the time they remain outside market price...unless climb is extremely steep

Stefan06:21:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Maybe people should only be able to create margins with 2 or higher CR (while margin call still triggers only at 1.75)

Crypto Kong06:21:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

even then...just barely

Yeah cos the calls disapear when price goes up so buyers have a very short window of opportunity

shulthz06:21:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bot will do it

Crypto Kong06:21:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

Maybe people should only be able to create margins with 2 or higher CR (while margin call still triggers only at 1.75)

100% agree

Alex M - clockwork06:22:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Yeah cos the calls disapear when price goes up so buyers have a very short window of opportunity

yes...but margin calls were there for a reason...if they dont get eaten, theyre useless

Crypto Kong06:22:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You should not be able to open a position at the call ratio lol

Crypto Kong06:22:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

yes...but margin calls were there for a reason...if they dont get eaten, theyre useless

Yep

Alex M - clockwork06:22:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

to get them to be eaten , you need to spread them out more

Alex M - clockwork06:22:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

smaller ones , more often

Alex M - clockwork06:22:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

rather than massive ones in one go

Alex M - clockwork06:23:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

which is where dynamic params would help

Crypto Kong06:23:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I still think some should be dumped into the but orders

Alex M - clockwork06:23:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I still think some should be dumped into the buy orders

negative mssr?

Alex M - clockwork06:24:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that might be taking things too far :P

Crypto Kong06:24:22 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

negative mssr?

Dunno, havent got my head round all the acronyms and what they mean lol

Alex M - clockwork06:24:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ah sorry

Alex M - clockwork06:24:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

misunderstood

shulthz06:24:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I still think some should be dumped into the buy orders

yes

shulthz06:24:58 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

by the market itself, not by the system

Alex M - clockwork06:25:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

again

Alex M - clockwork06:25:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

exactly what we're suggesting

Crypto Kong06:25:56 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There could be a ratio level set, say 1.4 where calls are dumped at any price into the buy order book regardless of what price they get

Alex M - clockwork06:26:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

let market dictate it

Alex M - clockwork06:26:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

There could be a ratio level set, say 1.4 where calls are dumped at any price into the buy order book regardless of what price they get

that 's basically variable mssr

Alex M - clockwork06:27:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so if you're at 1.75

Alex M - clockwork06:27:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you apy up to 1% more

shulthz06:27:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

There could be a ratio level set, say 1.4 where calls are dumped at any price into the buy order book regardless of what price they get

this will breakdown the Market

Alex M - clockwork06:27:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if you're at 1.5 you pay up to 5% more

Alex M - clockwork06:27:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

etc.

Crypto Kong06:27:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

this will breakdown the Market

Better than breaking the asset

Crypto Kong06:28:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

if you're at 1.5 you pay up to 5% more

Yeah thats good

shulthz06:28:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the market down, the asset down too

Alex M - clockwork06:28:24 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

well..they can overpay for BTS thus helping the market

Alex M - clockwork06:28:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

or the ycan global settle instead

Crypto Kong06:29:09 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

the market down, the asset down too

Not true, GS is based on feed price not the market price

shulthz06:29:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and the market never have too enought asset to buy this margin call

shulthz06:29:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

like the bitusd

Crypto Kong06:30:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It would only temporarily remove liquidity fron the buy side, it would however increase volatilty and trade activity

Alex M - clockwork06:30:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Would also affect the market itself

Crypto Kong06:30:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

(Which is good for market makers using staggered orders for example)

shulthz06:30:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

there will be no buy order at all

shulthz06:31:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the market will dead soon

Alex M - clockwork06:31:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Disagree

Crypto Kong06:31:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

there will be no buy order at all

Your presuming millions of calls get dumped all at same time, that wouldnt happen

Crypto Kong06:31:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It would be done incrementally

Alex M - clockwork06:31:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

A) calls would be spread out

Crypto Kong06:31:56 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Arb bots would also take advantage and re sell cheap buys elsewhere

Alex M - clockwork06:32:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

B) bts is primarily valued by bitassets...no real separate use (yet)

Alex M - clockwork06:32:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So if calls overvalue bts...they will affect the price

Crypto Kong06:32:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The market would adjust, having unsold margin calls is far unhealthier than any market repurcussions.

shulthz06:33:05 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

B) bts is primarily valued by bitassets...no real separate use (yet)

the market don't thik so , like bitusd, which is more valued

Crypto Kong06:33:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

B) bts is primarily valued by bitassets...no real separate use (yet)

Think you meant to write blind speculation here lol

Alex M - clockwork06:33:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bitusd was only just revived... Give it some time to regain it's health

shulthz06:34:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we are not futures market, don't think too optimistically

Alex M - clockwork06:34:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

actually

Alex M - clockwork06:34:36 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

thats exactly the problem

Alex M - clockwork06:35:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and the reluctance to sell

Alex M - clockwork06:35:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

will dynamic mcr kill some people's profits? yes

shulthz06:36:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

this is the purpuse which design

Alex M - clockwork06:36:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

will it end up better for bitassets as a whole? i think so

Alex M - clockwork06:36:22 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we can either treat them as something to be speculated on

Crypto Kong06:36:36 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Where some loose others will gain

Alex M - clockwork06:36:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and as kong said have bts valued on blind speculation

Alex M - clockwork06:36:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

or we can strive for adoption as a utility stable coin

Crypto Kong06:36:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

New opportunities will be created by lost ones

Alex M - clockwork06:37:09 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and profit on a marketmaking level

Alex M - clockwork06:37:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

New opportunities will be created by lost ones

exactly

Crypto Kong06:38:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Saying that dumping into the order book would be bad and removing liquidity temporarily and lower price temporarily may be true for some but for the market makers running staggered orders it will be very profitable and thanks to those users a spread will always be maintained

Crypto Kong06:39:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So its swings and roundabounts

Alex M - clockwork06:39:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yes

Alex M - clockwork06:39:35 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

only one treats it like a true stablecoin

Alex M - clockwork06:39:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

which will increase adoption

Alex M - clockwork06:39:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and bts valuation on a secondary level

Crypto Kong06:40:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Reckless margin traders loose, market makers providing stability gain. Which ones do you want to encourage?

Alex M - clockwork06:40:22 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the other treats it like a manipulatable stable coin to make nbig profits on the premium swings

Crypto Kong06:40:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

the other treats it like a manipulatable stable coin to make nbig profits on the premium swings

Exactly.

Crypto Kong06:41:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And even though we do want people to margin trade, its a free market after all, their wrong decisions cant go without loss

Crypto Kong06:42:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Risk has to carry loss

shulthz06:43:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we need them, we hate them

Crypto Kong06:43:56 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Not when price is going up lol

Crypto Kong06:44:05 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They are our best freinds then lol

shulthz06:44:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😁

shulthz06:45:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Angels and Devils

shulthz06:45:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

like butingsuo

shulthz06:46:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

don't harm them, don' harm the system too

Alex M - clockwork06:50:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

don't harm them, don' harm the system too

Not true

Alex M - clockwork06:51:02 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That's precisely what went wrong with bsip42

Alex M - clockwork06:51:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It over protected them

Alex M - clockwork06:51:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They didn't effectively get their calls easten (effectively weren't called) till 1.2-1.3 cr

shulthz06:51:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

It over protected them

not true too

Alex M - clockwork06:52:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

shulthz

not true too

How?

shulthz06:52:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bsip42 still harm them

shulthz06:52:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

no one want a too high feed price

Alex M - clockwork06:52:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They kept their positions untouched till effective mcr was at 1.2

shulthz06:53:02 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and a too low feed price

Alex M - clockwork06:53:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

How was that NOT protecting them

shulthz06:55:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

They kept their positions untouched till effective mcr was at 1.2

this is not their fault, the market have banlance the price in the cex

shulthz06:56:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

BSIP 42 make a low feed price for a long time

shulthz06:58:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

maybe not in bitusd, but in bitcny

Alex M - clockwork06:59:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Never said it was their fault

Alex M - clockwork07:00:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Was commenting on the outcome

Alex M - clockwork07:00:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

In order for the system to be healthy, margin calls must be at market price

Alex M - clockwork07:01:09 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And in fact , overpay to ensure they're taken first

Alex M - clockwork07:01:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Anything else will lead to disaster

Alex M - clockwork07:01:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That requires a very tight peg

Alex M - clockwork07:03:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We can't protect them by putting them outside market

Alex M - clockwork07:03:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If market says they should not be called

Alex M - clockwork07:03:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fine

Alex M - clockwork07:04:20 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Let them not be called by reducing mcr

Alex M - clockwork07:04:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The difference is when market decides they should be

Alex M - clockwork07:04:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They'll be called at market price

Alex M - clockwork07:05:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Thus keeping the asset healthy

shulthz07:11:24 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

My principle is which don't let the system(rule) participate and manipulate the market too much, let the market participants decide.

shulthz07:14:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

control the risk

Alex M - clockwork07:16:13 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We agree

Alex M - clockwork07:17:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what you don't understand is that FIXED params is US controlling the market

Alex M - clockwork07:17:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dynamic is params BASED on the market

Alex M - clockwork07:36:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@thule369 https://t.me/BitSharesDEX/371432 <- read from here down...would love your thoughts/input on all this

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Alex M - clockwork07:41:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

@thule369 https://t.me/BitSharesDEX/371432 <- read from here down...would love your thoughts/input on all this

@thuleeee

Dima BLCKCHND08:31:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Forget bsip42... Messing with feed price was wrong...doesn't work

Nobody messed witn msr before why you so sure it would be right, too much "if's" and economic theory, that's why I voted against it

Dima BLCKCHND08:34:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

I think we should give smartcoins a fucking rest. Can't change every week

This

Crypto Kong08:44:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

what you don't understand is that FIXED params is US controlling the market

Exactly

George (Bitspark)09:07:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

There could be a ratio level set, say 1.4 where calls are dumped at any price into the buy order book regardless of what price they get

Agree with this

George (Bitspark)09:08:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If I knew this was something that would happen I’d place dexbot orders 5% away from center price and scoop up cheap coins all day long

Alex M - clockwork09:08:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

Nobody messed with msr before, why do you so sure it would be right? too much "if's" and economic theory, that's why I voted against it

Sure? no,.... it's just suggestions. It should also be controlled and evaluated iteratively if implemented. Can't govern a stablecoin without economic theory though. You could argue that we're not good enough to do it yet...Doesn't mean it's fine as it is or options should not be researched. unless you believe the current system is fine.

George (Bitspark)09:09:02 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Someone else would do that too, and another and another and before long there is plenty of depth on the bid

Alex M - clockwork09:09:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yep

Fabian Schuh09:10:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

IMHO, at this stage, we are in the iterate&innovate stage when it comes to collateralized stable coins ..

Dima BLCKCHND09:11:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

my suggestion to experiment on private stablecoins before to "try" in the market that have influence at all company

Fabian Schuh09:11:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we've sit there and looked at it for 2+ years ... DAI took our market with easy ... now, they figured out it's not easy to keep dai stable and both of us either iterate, or die ..

Alex M - clockwork09:11:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they key part to remember is that a margin call on a TIGHTLY pegged asset which gets gobbled up immediately and BEFORE market buys thus increasing CR for those positions and improving the "health" of the system is vastly different than the current situation and is somethign we've almost never witnessed here

Alex M - clockwork09:12:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

blockchained

my suggestion to experiment on private stablecoins before to "try" in the market that have influence at all company

I have considered this...unfortunately scale is an issue :/

Alex M - clockwork09:12:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if you all promise to trade vast amounts of BST on it , i'll do it :)

Dima BLCKCHND09:13:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

if you all promise to trade vast amounts of BTS on it , i'll do it :)

bitcrab have money to experiment

Crypto Kong09:15:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

If I knew this was something that would happen I’d place dexbot orders 5% away from center price and scoop up cheap coins all day long

Exactly, the liquidity would be there to dump into and the market would affectively decide the penalty calls pay

Crypto Kong09:16:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

Someone else would do that too, and another and another and before long there is plenty of depth on the bid

Exactly, competition would lower the penalty paid

Crypto Kong09:20:13 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1113919481477120001?s=19

Crypto Kong09:20:35 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Be nice if bitshares can render litecoins only usecase useless lol

Andy10:29:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Got an alert that bitshares forked

fractalnode10:33:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

for sure something is wrong

Fabian Schuh10:33:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Andy

Got an alert that bitshares forked

Lastvirreversible block doesn't advance ... witnesses are already in thebprogress of upgrading

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bench10:49:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The Bitshares blockchain stucks 3900 missed blocks, what happened?

fractalnode10:50:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

The Bitshares blockchain stucks 3900 missed blocks, what happened?

read 2 msg above

fractalnode10:51:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what doesn't kill us will make us stronger

Alex M - clockwork10:54:22 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I broke it

Alex M - clockwork10:54:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Crypto Kong11:09:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

mBluCrypto

Check dm

bench11:38:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

In order for the system to be healthy, margin calls must be at market price

Full support for @clockworkgr: BSIP42 failed, because margin calls where not eaten up, when needed. We can lower MCR without any risks, when market is already low/oversold to protect people from unnecessary margin calls until a MCR of 150%.

fractalnode11:47:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

we don't need to protect people from unnecessary margin calls (margin call is you friend), we need to protect value of bitAsset from GS. Settlement has to work. This is the target we have to maintain.

bench11:58:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@fractalnode We need different safety features to avoid GS in the future, lower MCR is not the problem, but the need to provide more and better stable coins. There is no right MCR, it depends always on the actual market situation. Stable coins need dynamic parameters in a dynamic environment. Everything else failed.

Alex M - clockwork12:17:01 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fwiw

Alex M - clockwork12:17:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i'd love to test this out on a different asset

Alex M - clockwork12:17:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

need liquidity on it though

Mathew12:41:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i'd love to test this out on a different asset

That's the challenge

fractalnode12:41:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

this system has built-in functionalities that have been specially designed for this purpose. The Witnesses are responsible for the dynamics of changes on the market, they publish prices and it is quite dynamic - we trust them, they also publish the MCR and MSSR parameters. They need only a little encouragement, perhaps the consent of the community. Perhaps we should rigidly determine that the MCR can not change more than 0.01 in 24h

Mathew12:41:19 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

need liquidity on it though

That's the challenge

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bench12:52:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@fractalnode we need real prices and not fake prices, because this is the problem, not the solution. Dynamic MCR and MSSR is a lot safer than BISP42 was. Max. MCR is more around 0.1 per hour. With 0.01 per day show me you want to have constant MCR.

fractalnode12:57:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

@fractalnode we need real prices and not fake prices, because this is the problem, not the solution. Dynamic MCR and MSSR is a lot safer than BISP42 was. MCR is more around 0.1 per hour. With 0.01 per day shows me, you want to have a constant MCR.

I fully agree with you when it comes to BSIP42 - it gave us a lesson. I will also not argue about how fast MCR should change, I just gave an example

bench13:06:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@fractalnode Ok, thanks for your feedback. What I wanted to show was the neediness of dynamic parameters and to not reduced the safety of a system to MCR.

fractalnode13:07:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@habibi7 I wanted to say that the Witnesses are dynamic and that it's their job

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Dexy Bitshares13:35:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

unso_indo_vo

Hi all. I read about BEOS release. it's legit or SCAM?

All you need to know about BEOS: 1. non-profit, only 500 bts for account creating (10 times more expensive than in EOS) 2. blockchain managed by directors it looks like fucking trash:

Androws Jackson13:36:05 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fabian Schuh13:36:46 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

To be fair ... a non profit can ask for a fee just fine .. that's not a problem legally ..

Fabian Schuh13:37:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

a non-profit can just not pay out profits to any of its members/shareholders/directors easily (if at all)

Fabian Schuh13:37:24 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What worries me much more is that their backend code is not MIT ..

Fabian Schuh13:37:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

in fact, it appears to not be under any "open source" license .. just public sources .. no license

Androws Jackson13:38:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fabian Schuh13:38:35 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That's not well thought thru ... interestingly ... bitshares' original license looked much better then theirs ..

Dexy Bitshares13:38:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they did nothing and ask 40$ for account creating. loool. 10 times more than in eos

Androws Jackson13:38:46 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fabian Schuh13:38:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

https://github.com/terradacs/beos-core/blob/beos-initial-release/LICENSE

Fabian Schuh13:39:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@once .. you should get a better IP lawyer .. that LICENSE looks *very* unprofessional

R13:41:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

@once .. you should get a better IP lawyer .. that LICENSE looks *very* unprofessional

Since its derived from MIT licensed code, isn't it also supposed to be MIT licensed?

Fabian Schuh13:41:19 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

wow .. their README says this: **Usage of this software requires a license from TERRADACS LTD.**

R13:41:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ooft

Fabian Schuh13:41:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

Since its derived from MIT licensed code, isn't it also supposed to be MIT licensed?

that's not how MIT works .. you only need to name/refer to original owners but can relicense *your* portion of the work with any license, or none

R13:42:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

that's not how MIT works .. you only need to name/refer to original owners but can relicense *your* portion of the work with any license, or none

In that case they're violating the old license by not mentioning them in their new license, no?

Fabian Schuh13:43:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

block.one is named in the README.md .. not sure that qualifies ..

Fabian Schuh13:43:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

that's why I said .. they need a better IP lawyer

fractalnode13:49:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

core team is actually researchign backporting EOS consensus back to bitshares

can the team shares their conclusions? (maybe it was discussed earlier, but I missed it, and it will be very useful to me)

fractalnode13:53:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If we could adapt the EOS consensus, could we connect to the EOS using the IBC? Would BEOS then be useless?

Fabian Schuh13:53:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not easily ...

Fabian Schuh13:53:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they don't have variable number of witnesses

Fabian Schuh13:53:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they also don't have maintenance intervals ..

fractalnode13:57:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

not easily ...

https://loopvideos.com/Ateh7hnEnik?from=96&to=103

Alex M - clockwork14:04:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

conclusion was:

Alex M - clockwork14:04:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

EOS has not implemented BFT yet

Alex M - clockwork14:04:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so theyre actually running same consensus as us

Alex M - clockwork14:04:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fractalnode14:04:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and if they do ?

Alex M - clockwork14:04:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

despite all marketing alluding to the opposite

Digital Lucife®14:05:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

fractalnode

and if they do ?

if - then :)

Crypto Kong14:11:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

All you need to know about BEOS: 1. non-profit, only 500 bts for account creating (10 times more expensive than in EOS) 2. blockchain managed by directors it looks like fucking trash:

Lol non profit doesnt mean free 😂

Dexy Bitshares14:13:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Lol non profit doesnt mean free 😂

of course. it means "we wanna make profit, but don't wanna pay taxes". lol

Vahid14:17:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hi what is the adress of your news channel ?

Chris14:20:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Has anyone looked at Krypticoin? I'm thinking of investing?

Dexy Bitshares14:22:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

vnvNet

hi what is the adress of your news channel ?

there isn't such channel as far as i know, unfortunately

Vahid14:23:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

there isn't such channel as far as i know, unfortunately

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محمد ص15:07:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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funkit 🐝💋🍯15:07:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

vnvNet

hi what is the adress of your news channel ?

Here it is: https://t.me/Bitshares_bot

funkit 🐝💋🍯15:08:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Chrisbow

Has anyone looked at Krypticoin? I'm thinking of investing?

Well. You are most likely at the wrong place.

Once Uponatime15:23:46 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

they did nothing and ask 40$ for account creating. loool. 10 times more than in eos

If you think BEOS did nothing, why wasn't it released long ago? It is truly amazing that someone like you, who knows absolutely nothing about the project, is allowed to talk about BEOS in this room while the people who do know about the project and want to explain how it works and how it benefits bitshare, they are driven away. Brilliant.

unsoindovo15:25:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

All you need to know about BEOS: 1. non-profit, only 500 bts for account creating (10 times more expensive than in EOS) 2. blockchain managed by directors it looks like fucking trash:

thank you man!!!

Crypto Kong15:27:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

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Stefan16:05:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

they did nothing and ask 40$ for account creating. loool. 10 times more than in eos

I find a account creation fee warranted (a bit too high for my taste though). How did you come to the conclusion of nothing? Have you compared the fork to eos base? I don't know the legal framework in the background but that is normally something that requires massive effort

Stefan16:06:02 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

@once .. you should get a better IP lawyer .. that LICENSE looks *very* unprofessional

I think you mean @Onceaponatime

Fabian Schuh16:08:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

I think you meant @Onceponatime

true .. for some reason autocomplete failed me today ...

Fabian Schuh16:09:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

i actually did earlier today .. considerable amount of extra code .. in particular new code for distribution and its unittesting .. also lots of deploymwnt utilities ..

Fabian Schuh16:10:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

anyways .. not related to bitshares, thats true ..

Fabian Schuh16:11:30 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

one thing that i found interesting is that the diff to eos/master showed that beos comes with block1's bancor contract ... meanwhile @clockworkgr is looking to reverse implement bancor for bitassets :)

Fabian Schuh16:11:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

really curious to see if bancor even works ..

funkit 🐝💋🍯16:22:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Problem is it is a cancer on bitshares. Paying to amass votes to one entity is unconstitutional and if there was some spunk in this community, it should be treated like the poloniex, binance, etc accounts.

funkit 🐝💋🍯16:23:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And I bet this is why Dan don’t approve:

Nodestradamus 🚀16:25:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

🙃

Nodestradamus 🚀16:25:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

His dad want digital global dominance at whomever expense 😬

Dexy Bitshares16:30:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

this is my opinion based on information from the forum which i quoted. if you have the opposite opinion, share it. at the moment this project didn't show me any prominent results. now for me it looks like hundreds of dead projects from the ICO-epoch (2017). we will see further, what it really costs

funkit 🐝💋🍯16:35:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

iamcrowne

His dad want digital global dominance at whomever expense 😬

You might be closer to the truth than you realize. “You got to think bigger, pinky”

Nodestradamus 🚀16:38:34 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I told someone like last year than Dan is the worker but someone is the brains behind this whole operation. It’s like they building a digital utopia aka smart country 🤔. Now it’s getting clearer

Nodestradamus 🚀16:39:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

iamcrowne

I told someone like last year that Dan is the worker but someone is the brains behind this whole operation. It’s like they building a digital utopia aka smart country 🤔. Now it’s getting clearer

Or digital utopia country with smart cities

Dexy Bitshares16:42:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

a month has passed. any news on vote decaying? when will be voting for this bsip? still no changes on github: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0022.md

Digital Lucife®16:44:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

a month has passed. any news on vote decaying? when will be voting for this bsip? still no changes on github: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0022.md

that needs some serious review, update and then worker for voting

Michel16:45:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

a month has passed. any news on vote decaying? when will be voting for this bsip? still no changes on github: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0022.md

Discussion ongoing at https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/pull/153

fractalnode16:45:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

iamcrowne

Or digital utopia country with smart cities

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

Michel16:47:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

MichelSant

Discussion ongoing at https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/pull/153

One aspect about votes for worker proposals needs to be clarified

Michel16:52:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

MichelSant

Discussion ongoing at https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/pull/153

Another interesting aspect about proxy by referendum category was raised by @clockworkgr and whether 1. To specify both features as part of one BSIP or two? 2. To deploy them, assuming that they were elected by tokenholders, during the same hardfork?

Michel16:53:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

MichelSant

@cmmob do you have any strong opinion either way?

Alex M - clockwork16:58:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

habibi7

The Bitshares blockchain stucks 3900 missed blocks, what happened?

small bug led to an unexpected fork for a bit...all good now

Digital Lucife®17:04:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

a non-profit can just not pay out profits to any of its members/shareholders/directors easily (if at all)

without a proper invoicing from a 3rd party or needs of Institute/non-profit itself - correct

R17:04:56 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

MichelSant

@cmmob do you have any strong opinion either way?

If its functionality that people want then it makes sense to reduce the quantity of mandatory upgrades, however it might be best introduced as a separate bsip & 22 updated to reflect the other bsips plans

Michel17:19:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

That will work

Dexy Bitshares17:42:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

make a thread in the forums .. address it to committee

done. please move it to the proper branch (stakeholder proposals), cause i can't create a post there. thanks! https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28237.0

Digital Lucife®17:45:02 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

done. please move it to the proper branch (stakeholder proposals), cause i can't create a post there. thanks! https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28237.0

whats the reason that you cant post there ? Account activation ?

Dexy Bitshares17:47:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

whats the reason that you cant post there ? Account activation ?

i don't know exactly. everytime when i was trying to do that, i got an error:

funkit 🐝💋🍯17:48:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Citadel actually has a smartcoin XMR in the making. Bold move.

Digital Lucife®17:49:45 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Citadel actually has a smartcoin XMR in the making. Bold move.

+++

Digital Lucife®17:50:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

i don't know exactly. everytime when i was trying to do that, i got an error:

@xeroc - captcha ? can i take a look ?

funkit 🐝💋🍯17:50:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If it's a smart move is another matter...

Digital Lucife®17:50:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

with having it mining through their web miner it can be really smart

Digital Lucife®17:51:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

XMR backed by BTS

Digital Lucife®17:51:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

mineable :D

Dexy Bitshares17:51:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

@xeroc - captcha ? can i take a look ?

but when i tried to create the same topic in the "General Discussion" branch, i've done it at one dash

Digital Lucife®17:51:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hmm

21 Savage18:40:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Settled bitsud and it seemed like it went through I got bts for that but my margin position didn’t change

21 Savage18:40:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Is that a bug on the system

funkit 🐝💋🍯18:41:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Force settling wont do anything with your margin. It is practically the same as selling with a 1% loss against feed.

21 Savage18:45:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Please clarify.... I had a $1500 settled $500, shouldn’t I have $1000 debt now?

funkit 🐝💋🍯18:45:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hold on. Screen cap incoming

funkit 🐝💋🍯18:50:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

See those red circles? The left one is to adjust the margin. The right to close the margin.

funkit 🐝💋🍯18:53:08 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What you practically have done is to short. Might be a good move, but you won't know that for sure.

Crypto Kong19:01:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

wheres the bitshares "constitution" id like to read it

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:03:46 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

wheres the bitshares "constitution" id like to read it

There isn't one. But there is common courtesy and sense.

Crypto Kong19:04:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so its not unconstitutional, you just dont agree with it?

Crypto Kong19:04:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

unfortunatly in a decentralised platform we are governed by the rules of the blockchain only

Alex M - clockwork19:04:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

unfortunatly in a decentralised platform we are governed by the rules of the blockchain only

unfortunately?

Crypto Kong19:04:58 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i dont like all the scam accounts... not a lot we can do about them, they play by the rules

Crypto Kong19:05:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

unfortunately?

bad choice of word

Dexy Bitshares19:05:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

hmm

could you please move my thread to the "stakeholders proposals" branch manually? thanks https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28237.0

Crypto Kong19:05:36 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

unfortunately?

unfortunate for funkit with regards to beos lol

Alex M - clockwork19:05:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

could you please move my thread to the "stakeholders proposals" branch manually? thanks https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28237.0

done

Dexy Bitshares19:08:13 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

done

so fast 👏😳👍

Crypto Kong19:08:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

so fast 👏😳👍

just like the blockchain 😜

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:08:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

so its not unconstitutional, you just dont agree with it?

Look at the EOS constitution. VOTE BUYING and colllusion is a booobooo. Look at corporate law. There is not one boardmember from company A that can go to company B and decide anything. This is a SCAM by Terradacs and should be stopped.

Crypto Kong19:09:24 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

its not a EOS... its BEOS, EOS constitution doesnt apply...

R19:09:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think scam is too hard a term

Dexy Bitshares19:09:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

just like the blockchain 😜

😂

Alex M - clockwork19:09:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

can we stop already?

Alex M - clockwork19:09:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

please

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:09:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

I think scam is too hard a term

Do you prefere blood leting?

Abit More19:10:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

mrRatz

Please clarify.... I had a $1500 settled $500, shouldn’t I have $1000 debt now?

you should "adjust debt"

Crypto Kong19:10:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

can we stop already?

apologies but I agree with @onceuponatimes earlier comment, why are people allowed to badmouth beos in here but michael and stan not allowed to defend the project?

R19:10:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Do you prefere blood leting?

If people buy it from cex and effectively lock it up I'm cool with that.

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:11:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

apologies but I agree with @onceponatime earlier comment, why are people allowed to badmouth beos in here but michael and stan not allowed to defend the project?

They exclude me and others from getting information.

Alex M - clockwork19:11:35 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

apologies but I agree with @onceponatime earlier comment, why are people allowed to badmouth beos in here but michael and stan not allowed to defend the project?

it was directed to everyone

Crypto Kong19:11:42 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

it was directed to everyone

i know :)

Abit More19:12:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you should "adjust debt"

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:16:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

If people buy it from cex and effectively lock it up I'm cool with that.

Strawmans argument.

R19:37:01 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Strawmans argument.

More voting, more campaigning, BSIP022 👌

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:39:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Funny you should mention BSIPS. What the flying f**k does a random company or chain or whatever have to do with the 'shares without a BSIP? Simple answer: NOTHING.

R19:43:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Well, I'd imagine not nothing since they'd have vote weight to back up new draft BSIPs on Bitshares like a proxy except rewarding their delegators? 🤷‍♂️

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:46:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You mean bribing the delegators?

Stefan19:49:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Funny you should mention BSIPS. What the flying f**k does a random company or chain or whatever have to do with the 'shares without a BSIP? Simple answer: NOTHING.

You are blowing that out of proportion now IMO Take away the marketing approach beforehand, at least there are facts now that you can work with

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:50:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

You are blowing that out of proportion now IMO Take away the marketing approach beforehand, at least there are facts now that you can work with

I don’t understand you now to be honest

Stefan19:52:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bitcrab wants to lobby CEX now to start getting involved and there is no way (or easy way) to do talk to them on a regular basis

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:54:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Which would be a good idea if they work on the same terms as other gateways.

funkit 🐝💋🍯19:55:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If i understand you right

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Stefan19:58:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Which would be a good idea if they work on the same terms as other gateways.

So what angers you the most with BEOS is the history of the involved founders? What are the gateway terms you are referring to?

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:01:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I just said it 👆🏻 up there. It is a centralization of my bitshares. And not what I wanted when I decided to keep my savings there.

R20:02:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Which would be a good idea if they work on the same terms as other gateways.

AFAIK they do aside from voting with your vote weight, there's nothing stopping any CEX from doing this. A CEX could easily delegate their vote weight.

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:04:06 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That’s no good.

Stefan20:05:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

We need non custodial offboarding of BTS. Aka please vote for managed vesting balances :)

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Heh guys, I’m not able to see the file to update the dex on Mac OS. Do I really have to download from github and build ?

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:16:41 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yes you have to download from github. No, you dont have to compile, just download the .dmg file https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/releases

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:17:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Then drag-drop install

Matt Johnson20:17:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The best part of BEOS is that you get a reward for putting your brownie.pts on there. Those tokens are otherwise pretty much worthless. I wouldn't trust my actual BTS on BEOS.

Daniel20:17:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Then drag-drop install

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Once Uponatime20:32:13 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Mjohnson1

The best part of BEOS is that you get a reward for putting your brownie.pts on there. Those tokens are otherwise pretty much worthless. I wouldn't trust my actual BTS on BEOS.

Tell @funkit so he can stop getting his knickers all in a knot.

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:33:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Tell @funkit so he can stop getting his knickers all in a knot.

Go scam someone else.

Fabian Schuh20:34:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dexy_cc

but when i tried to create the same topic in the "General Discussion" branch, i've done it at one dash

maybe i did sth wrong when setting up that subforum ..

Once Uponatime20:38:26 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Go scam someone else.

Oh, you won't be staking your BROWNIE points?

Fabian Schuh20:38:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Oh, you won't be staking your BROWNIE points?

its not STAKING ..

Fabian Schuh20:38:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its moving them into someone else's account

Fabian Schuh20:38:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not your keys, not your coins

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:39:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Don't have any.

Fabian Schuh20:39:14 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

staking is what CryptoBridge offers using vesting balances ..

Fabian Schuh20:39:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

my keys, my funds..

Fabian Schuh20:39:40 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

no one referrs to deposits to poloniex as staking..

Wehrrr20:39:47 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yeah that's not staking

Dan Notestein20:39:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I understand the rhetoric. But let's be real: do you count the funds in your bank account as not your funds?

Once Uponatime20:39:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It is not "someone else". It is Dan Notestein's gateway account.

Fabian Schuh20:40:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

I understand the rhetoric. But let's be real: do you count the funds in your bank account as not your funds?

terminology ... the term 'staking' implies something in the crypto world ..

Fabian Schuh20:40:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and that is not 'transferring' them

Once Uponatime20:40:56 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

my keys, my funds..

I guess you won't be "moving your" BROWNIE points either?

Dan Notestein20:40:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think that's debatable, honestly. I'm sure it means different things at different times in different cryptos. But I get what you're trying to say.

Fabian Schuh20:41:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

It is not "someone else". It is Dan Notestein's gateway account.

I trust Dan .. be he IS someone ELSE

Fabian Schuh20:41:37 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

I think that's debatable, honestly. I'm sure it means different things at different times in different cryptos. But I get what you're trying to say.

how much more difficult would the onboarding have been if you just used vested balances instead?

Fabian Schuh20:41:48 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

honest question

Dan Notestein20:41:57 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

To be fair: it's not my account. I'm just acting as the adminstrator for it. Which does means I control the keys right now.

Fabian Schuh20:42:19 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

To be fair: it's not my account. I'm just acting as the adminstrator for it. Which does means I control the keys right now.

who is the custodian then? officially, if i may ask?

Fabian Schuh20:42:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

like .. legally?

Dan Notestein20:42:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I have no idea, since I haven't read anything about the vested balance feature you're talking about: is this some feature of bitshares?

Fabian Schuh20:42:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

I have no idea, since I haven't read anything about the vested balance feature you're talking about: is this some feature of bitshares?

yes, it is

Once Uponatime20:42:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@xeroc So the question is: "I guess you won't be moving your BROWNIE point to BEOS gateway either?

Digital Lucife®20:42:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

witnesses are vesting salaries

Digital Lucife®20:43:01 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

referrals are vesting signups

Dan Notestein20:43:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yes, but those are all blockchain based

Fabian Schuh20:43:13 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

@xeroc So the question is: "I guess you won't be moving your BROWNIE points to BEOS gateway either?

answering my questions with counter questions?

Dan Notestein20:43:19 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and hardcoded AFAIK

Fabian Schuh20:43:22 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

my funds .. non of your concerns

Fabian Schuh20:43:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

and hardcoded AFAIK

nop

Dan Notestein20:43:29 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I guess theres' some way to handle them programmatically?

Fabian Schuh20:43:36 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

vesying balances can be created easily and freely

Fabian Schuh20:43:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

even for other accounts if you wanted to

Dan Notestein20:43:46 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Didn't know that, learn something every day

Fabian Schuh20:43:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

Didn't know that, learn something every day

yeah :)

Dan Notestein20:43:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

about bitshares, it's so complicated, lol

Dan Notestein20:44:04 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

of course, so is eos

Dan Notestein20:44:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and steem

Fabian Schuh20:44:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

vesting_balance_create_operation

Dan Notestein20:44:18 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ic, good to know

Fabian Schuh20:44:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

in fact, there is a BSIP that introduces 'managed' vesting balances .. quite cool, but not in existence yet

Dan Notestein20:45:01 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sounds interesting, I'll check it out when I get a chance

Fabian Schuh20:45:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sure, ping me if you have any question about it .. i used them before and even have them in pybitshares

Dan Notestein20:45:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ok, will do. What did you use them for?

Dan Notestein20:45:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

bbf related payments?

Fabian Schuh20:46:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

anyway, what i tried to say is this: if an airdrop is not supposed to airdrop on all bts holders but some subset, then at least allow the owners to keep their stake (with voting power etc) by using vesting balances instead of transfers

Fabian Schuh20:46:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

bbf related payments?

the feature has nothing to do with bbf

Dan Notestein20:46:59 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I didn't mean the feature. You said "I used them before".

Fabian Schuh20:47:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

na .. for experimentation only

Dan Notestein20:47:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I was asking "for what purpose?"

Dan Notestein20:47:15 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ah, ok

Fabian Schuh20:47:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

also .. crypto bridge uses them

Dan Notestein20:47:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what do they use them for?

Fabian Schuh20:47:36 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

they allow to part take in their profits by 'staking' their own fee token

Dan Notestein20:47:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Fabian Schuh20:47:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

then cryptobridge transfers 'dividends' to those that are staking on a pro rata basis

Dan Notestein20:48:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So they're locked up for some period of time? How long?

Fabian Schuh20:48:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

vesting balances come with a 'locking away' of funds for a definable amount of rine

Fabian Schuh20:48:38 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you can pick how long

Once Uponatime20:48:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Don't have any.

Yeah, I guess you weren't around back then.

Dan Notestein20:48:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yes, I assumed, just curious how long they chose

Fabian Schuh20:49:01 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

can even pick if the owner gets all stake afterwards, or gradually over time

Fabian Schuh20:49:22 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

yes, I assumed, just curious how long they chose

they distinguis .. withvsome sort of bonus the longer you lock them up

Dan Notestein20:50:13 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ok, so they create a separate one of these balances for each user? Or does user just do it themselves, and they look for them?

Fabian Schuh20:50:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

Ok, so they create a separate one of these balances for each user? Or does user just do it themselves, and they look for them?

yes ..

Fabian Schuh20:50:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

but the user create them themselves

Fabian Schuh20:50:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

allthough, they cpuld create them for their users too ..

Dan Notestein20:50:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ok, so the latter case. They just "find them" on the blockchain.

Fabian Schuh20:51:12 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the idea is for startups and businesses to use it for regular vesting shares .. just enforced on the chain ..

Fabian Schuh20:51:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

ok, so the latter case. They just "find them" on the blockchain.

they are linked to their accounts

Dan Notestein20:52:22 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

This really wouldn't have solved one of the main uses for the BTS token on BEOS though. One of the key ideas is to have smart contracts that interact with the BTS IOU tokens on BEOS. It could have been used for the distro I guess, but the gateway would still be needed.

Fabian Schuh20:52:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the worker syatem uses those .. just that the blockchain creates the vesting balances when the worker is created .. then its a 'linear vesting policy' ..

Fabian Schuh20:52:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

sure

Dan Notestein20:52:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yes, I knew about the worker ones

Dan Notestein20:53:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Just didn't know you could create "free form" ones

Fabian Schuh20:53:03 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

the biggest advantage though would have been that people 'kept' their stake

Pero Anik20:53:21 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hi all!

Fabian Schuh20:53:39 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

another problem not solves is that BTS locked as collateral wont cont for any of those airdrops

Dan Notestein20:54:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I don't think there was a solution for that except for some straight airdrop.

Fabian Schuh20:54:17 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if beos really wanted to reach out to a maximum audience .. the distribution would need to look differently ..

Fabian Schuh20:54:19 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

imho

Pero Anik20:54:23 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Can i ask something?

Dan Notestein20:54:44 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sure

Fabian Schuh20:54:49 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

I don't think there was a solution for that except for some straight airdrop.

you are probably right

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:55:07 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Pro rata basis or nothing

Fabian Schuh20:55:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Pro rata basis or nothing

that at least was the idea of the initial 'social agreement' .. that larimers originally drafted .. and thats probably why many are not happy about the way beos does ..

Fabian Schuh20:56:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ultimately up to them tho .. but wouldnt be surprised if people voiced their disagreement

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:56:28 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It’s another steem scenario imo

Fabian Schuh20:56:43 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

It’s another steem scenario imo

steem was clearer... they airdropped nothing

Fabian Schuh20:56:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

beos is weird ..

Fabian Schuh20:56:56 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

imho

Pero Anik20:57:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I have some missed transactins,all deleted like they never happen..today i sold 4000 bridge.dev coins,there is no records on my account or blockchain explorer that they ever happend...

Fabian Schuh20:57:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

also .. there is stake in BTS ... but also stake in AGS .. and i am surprised AGS dont count AT ALL ...

funkit 🐝💋🍯20:57:31 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Out of context weird if you ask me

Dan Notestein20:58:11 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@pero009 There was a fork in the bitshares chain today

Dan Notestein20:58:25 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Some transactions would have been lost if you were on the losing side of the fork.

Fabian Schuh20:58:27 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

pero009

I have some missed transactins,all deleted like they never happen..today i sold 4000 bridge.dev coins,there is no records on my account or blockchain explorer that they ever happend...

there was some major syncing/forking happening to day .. your funds should still be there ... but apparently, the api you were connected to was on the wrong (minority fork)

Fabian Schuh20:58:33 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

extremely rare event

Pero Anik20:58:50 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yes..rare.i lost 0.05 btc.

Fabian Schuh20:58:54 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

to be clear, the transaction are lostv.. not the funds

Dan Notestein20:59:32 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

well, to be fair, maybe he means his trade loss, but I'm not sure

Fabian Schuh20:59:55 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

me neither ..

funkit 🐝💋🍯21:00:00 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Could also be a bad node

Fabian Schuh21:00:05 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

anyways .. i am off to bed .. have a nice weekend everyone

Dan Notestein21:00:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you too

Digital Lucife®21:10:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Gnite everyone

Digital Lucife®21:10:58 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

last 4am gnite this week :D

Paul21:40:52 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Chris21:59:53 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Well. You are most likely at the wrong place.

Why?

funkit 🐝💋🍯22:01:51 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Because I can’t recall seeing whatever coin that is on our network.

Maya22:34:34 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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Mathew22:37:05 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What's the best explorer to check the holders of individual assets?

Mathew22:37:16 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

As in best coverage

funkit 🐝💋🍯22:41:09 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptofresh and bitsharescan

Mathew22:45:10 - 05 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Cryptofresh and bitsharescan

Cheers cryptofresh had it🙂

Mathew00:31:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Just tested out the barter feature :)

Good stuff - I'm a little unclear on the 'add an escrow'...I'm pretty sure I don't need it - if I propose a barter and the other guy accepts it then the transfers are made automatically...correct?

Digital Lucife®00:34:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Good stuff - I'm a little unclear on the 'add an escrow'...I'm pretty sure I don't need it - if I propose a barter and the other guy accepts it then the transfers are made automatically...correct?

Escrow would be adding 3rd account to hold the money until 2 sides confirmed successful business or whatever

Mathew00:35:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

Escrow would be adding 3rd account to hold the money until 2 sides confirmed successful business or whatever

Understood but why would it be needed if the transaction takes place as soon as both have approved?

Mathew00:35:39 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Oh sorry

Mathew00:35:46 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

For like services and things?

Digital Lucife®00:35:47 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If we want to build upwork on blockchain example

Mathew00:36:06 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yeah sorry being slow, good addition

Mathew00:37:29 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

First barter proposed!

Digital Lucife®00:38:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

If we want to build upwork on blockchain example

Btw I might look into this :)

Mathew00:38:07 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I'll get working on a freelancer.com Bitshares based alternative using escrow 😉

Digital Lucife®00:38:41 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I have jobboard ready

Digital Lucife®00:39:01 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

With this new oath stuff from xeroc and this barter/escrow function

Digital Lucife®00:39:09 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It's gonna be fun :)

Mathew00:39:39 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The stuff getting added at the minute is pretty incredible

Mathew00:40:37 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Lots more building blocks for businesses

Digital Lucife®00:47:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yeah, somehow we got pretty organized and straight forward with development ever since last year :)

J-Rod The Anon01:20:09 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So are we still in global settlement?

funkit 🐝💋🍯01:27:17 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think a number of coins revived this week. Most notably bitUSD.

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FarmerD02:49:19 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

Yeah, somehow we got pretty organized and straight forward with development ever since last year :)

☝️😊❤️❤️ imho a big part of the thanks for this should go to you DL. Thank you for all you do.

leon03:01:14 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

有微信群么

J-Rod The Anon03:25:58 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

I think a number of coins revived this week. Most notably bitUSD.

Good to know, I just didn't know the threshold

Coach David04:20:57 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Any trade BINANCE

Coach David04:20:58 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Exchange

Coach David04:21:00 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

???

NatoshiSakamoto04:45:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Has anyone seen my Abba Zabba?

Natoshi Sakamoto05:35:07 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Nevermind. It was just stuck in the snack machine.

Alex M - clockwork06:06:12 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

I'll get working on a freelancer.com Bitshares based alternative using escrow 😉

please do

Stefan06:15:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

How about lobbying upwork for integration? :)

Alex M - clockwork06:19:21 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sschiessl

How about lobbying upwork for integration? :)

could try that as well

Alex M - clockwork06:19:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@matle85 is good at lobbying

Digital Lucife®06:22:50 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

@matle85 is good at lobbying

Late morning to everyone

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fav07:50:08 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dannote

To be fair: it's not my account. I'm just acting as the adminstrator for it. Which does means I control the keys right now.

This is a cluster fuck. 🙈

Fabian Schuh07:58:47 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it didnt sound that way when michael and stan implied dan would hold the account ..

Fabian Schuh07:59:10 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

... i am still surprised they didnt see the drama coming ...

Fabian Schuh08:03:27 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

a) centralization of stake and voting power (for the sake of bts holders greed) b) backend code licensed in a way that requires every single dev to obtain a license before being allowed to run the software (how weird is that) c) calling (again) partnership with bitshares (they must know better now) d) impersonating bitshares on twitter e) total unclear relationship with blocktrades (from how it reads above, beos could as well have an agreement in place that allowed them to take over control, bo ones knows)

Fabian Schuh08:04:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Now everyone: **Not your keys, not your coins**

Fabian Schuh08:05:09 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

(disclaimer: i am biased for many reasons)

hultqvist08:06:44 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

Now everyone: Not your keys, not your coins

As I see centralization of stake and voting power its a usual practice in all pos and dpos project includes bitshares)

hultqvist08:07:52 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But its not a red flag for you)

hultqvist08:08:18 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So strange 🤔

Crypto Kong08:10:53 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

I'll get working on a freelancer.com Bitshares based alternative using escrow 😉

That would be really cool

Fabian Schuh08:11:37 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

As I see centralization of stake and voting power its a usual practice in all pos and dpos projects includes bitshares)

the community has worked hard to get voting stake distributed better over the last years .. i long advocate for more proxies and not less

Fabian Schuh08:12:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

beos endangers that hard work

Fabian Schuh08:12:37 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its pretty much as if bittrex and polo would start voting with their cold storage funds ..

Crypto Kong08:14:37 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

its pretty much as if bittrex and polo would start voting with their cold storage funds ..

They will if bitcrab has his way lol

hultqvist08:15:35 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

its pretty much as if bittrex and polo would start voting with their cold storage funds ..

But many proxys in bts uses votes of death or unactive accounts (last several years) for raise their voting power, what are you going to do with it?

Crypto Kong08:17:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Openledger does same thing. At the end of the day we cant stop it and should expect it to happen more often. We need to do more to encourage people to become proxys.

Fabian Schuh08:17:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

They will if bitcrab has his way lol

not a fan of that either .. but it remains to be seen if he even succeeds

Fabian Schuh08:17:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Openledger does same thing. At the end of the day we cant stop it and should expect it to happen more often. We need to do more to encourage people to become proxys.

still, i dont need to be happy about it.

Crypto Kong08:19:07 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Agreed, im torn on the issue. I dont want gateways/ exchanges involved but i know we cant stop them so cant help but think we would be better working with them

hultqvist08:19:24 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Openledger does same thing. At the end of the day we cant stop it and should expect it to happen more often. We need to do more to encourage people to become proxys.

Vote for Valera Gogut) He didn't get his bounty for last bug yet from bitshares burocrats and waiting it around 2 month)

Digital Lucife®08:19:34 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Openledger does same thing. At the end of the day we cant stop it and should expect it to happen more often. We need to do more to encourage people to become proxys.

Vote for DL! Take away the lambos and bring execution camps to the BitShares!!! If they dont want to work, gas them all!

Crypto Kong08:19:49 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

Vote for DL! Take away the lambos and bring execution camps to the BitShares!!! If they dont want to work, gas them all!

Lol

Digital Lucife®08:20:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

At least im honest :)

Alex M - clockwork08:20:06 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

Vote for DL! Take away the lambos and bring execution camps to the BitShares!!! If they dont want to work, gas them all!

I'm starting to see things your way...it scares me

Digital Lucife®08:20:21 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You can ask any team ive been managing

Digital Lucife®08:20:23 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Digital Lucife®08:20:51 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

I'm starting to see things your way...it scares me

It does provide results....

Alex M - clockwork08:20:58 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

Vote for Valera Gogut) He didn't get his bounty for last bug yet from bitshares burocrats and waiting it around 2 month)

Different things...committee has no control over the htd bounties or process

Digital Lucife®08:21:24 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

Vote for Valera Gogut) He didn't get his bounty for last bug yet from bitshares burocrats and waiting it around 2 month)

Wait, HackTheDEX or Core ?

hultqvist08:21:31 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yes

hultqvist08:21:42 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

HTD

Alex M - clockwork08:21:47 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Agreed, im torn on the issue. I dont want gateways/ exchanges involved but i know we cant stop them so cant help but think we would be better working with them

I wouldn't want them voting for committee. That's for sure

Crypto Kong08:22:10 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

I wouldn't want them voting for committee. That's for sure

Lol imagine cex setting our fees

Alex M - clockwork08:22:16 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

They can get a rep elected to committee

hultqvist08:22:20 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Different things...committee has no control over the htd bounties or process

But system is working bad, do you agree?)

Alex M - clockwork08:22:39 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If they can convince the rest of the stakeholders

Crypto Kong08:22:42 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

1 million dollar order placement fee 😂

Digital Lucife®08:23:00 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

But system is working bad, do you agree?)

System is working fine, but as any system/constitution has its flaws and most of them are coming from people (ab)using the system.

Alex M - clockwork08:23:14 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

But system is working bad, do you agree?)

In what way? I'm not familiar with HTD internals

hultqvist08:23:41 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

System is working fine, but as any system/constitution has its flaws and most of them are coming from people (ab)using the system.

Where did I write it?

Alex M - clockwork08:23:59 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

But I can understand it being a longish process.

hultqvist08:24:18 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Me too

hultqvist08:24:39 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

1500 bitusd only)

hultqvist08:25:32 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

And their website crushed

Fabian Schuh08:25:41 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

But I can understand it being a longish process.

it is ..

Fabian Schuh08:26:01 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

stuff can only be published an paid after review+fixing+release ..

Fabian Schuh08:26:28 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

And their website crushed

tgats because there was a migration to github .. and they skrewed it

hultqvist08:26:49 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

stuff can only be published an paid after review+fixing+release ..

What s wrong with last bug which he found?

hultqvist08:27:23 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

No review or no fixing or no release?)

Fabian Schuh08:27:37 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

dont know .. cant recall .. also, he should ask HTD, not you ask me :)

hultqvist08:27:42 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

He did do his work

Fabian Schuh08:27:54 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i am sure of that ..

Fabian Schuh08:28:05 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

again, i dont know .. i am not managing htd

hultqvist08:28:07 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

dont know .. cant recall .. also, he should ask HTD, not you ask me :)

Their website dont work

hultqvist08:28:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Their managers not available

hultqvist08:29:07 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its a how burocratic system in bts work

Fabian Schuh08:29:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

Their website dont work

works well here .. what issue do u have?

Alex M - clockwork08:29:45 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

Its a how burocratic system in bts work

You prefer we just randomly throw money at people with no due process?

Alex M - clockwork08:30:05 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Do you think bitshares is a small time cornershop?

hultqvist08:30:20 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

You prefer we just randomly throw money at people with no due process?

No he did all your process

hultqvist08:30:23 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Do you think bitshares is a small time cornershop?

Yep

Alex M - clockwork08:30:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It's a business...a very large one I might add

Alex M - clockwork08:31:51 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

As such it has processes and rules that must be followed. I really don't know the exact situation so I can't comment on it, but I trust the people involved

hultqvist08:32:27 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

As such it has processes and rules that must be followed. I really don't know the exact situation so I can't comment on it, but I trust the people involved

Just a illustration

hultqvist08:33:17 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

How effectively mechanism in bitshares burocratic goverment systems

Alex M - clockwork08:35:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

It comes with growth unfortunately

hultqvist08:35:08 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Slow expensive and lazy

hultqvist08:36:16 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

It comes with growth unfortunately

What will changes with growth?

hultqvist08:36:50 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Only piece of cake for their)

Fabian Schuh08:41:46 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

people in bitshares demand transparency and honesty .. as such, the escrows have strict rules (that u can read in the worker proposal) if HTD was to not follow those, they would a) not get funds from escrow and b) risk not getting a subsequent worker approved by the community

Fabian Schuh08:41:57 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if you dont like that .. dont vote for it

Fabian Schuh08:42:16 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

if you want a htd to work differently, set one up

Mathew08:42:56 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

if you want a htd to work differently, set one up

👆👆

Mathew08:43:05 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Beauty of decentralisation

hultqvist08:48:01 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

if you dont like that .. dont vote for it

its change nothing because bts is centralized

Fabian Schuh08:48:34 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

its change nothing because bts is centralized

if thats your believe then, why arebyou here?

hultqvist08:49:41 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

if thats your believe then, why arebyou here?

just for fun and observations of the experiment

hultqvist08:54:11 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what happens if a group of people is given power like a USA goverment in a blockchain

hultqvist08:55:48 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

do you know answer? It called BitShares

Alex M - clockwork08:58:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Do you have anything constructive to say? And fwiw, the people you're blaming and fudding are NOT the majority of voting stake. Yet the majority of people still vote for the work that they do. I'd argue that's a sign they're doing a good enough job

hultqvist08:59:57 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

your stakes from forgetten accounts and the result of collusion and vote for your workers

hultqvist09:00:31 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it called corruption man

Fabian Schuh09:02:08 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That's what you call constructive?

hultqvist09:02:47 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

to reset votes for proxy regular)

hultqvist09:03:32 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

how it works when voting in the Senate and Congress

hultqvist09:05:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it will be more useful for the ecosystem

Digital Lucife®09:06:09 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

to reset votes for proxy regularly)

and there is issue and BSIP that needs rewriting

hultqvist09:06:24 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

how long your guys not re-elected?

Alex M - clockwork09:06:49 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

In any case

Digital Lucife®09:06:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

how long you guys not re-elected?

How long blockchain is alive ?

Alex M - clockwork09:07:09 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Valera has already been paid 15k USD from hack the Dex for another issue

hultqvist09:07:19 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

How long blockchain is alive ?

5 years?

Digital Lucife®09:07:20 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

👍🏻

Alex M - clockwork09:07:29 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

That should be proof enough that if there is a delay

Fabian Schuh09:07:30 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

how it works when voting in the Senate and Congress

if you want to participate constructively ... do so on github: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips

Alex M - clockwork09:07:38 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

There is probably a reason for it

hultqvist09:07:42 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

its time to change smt

Digital Lucife®09:07:43 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

if you want to participate constructively ... do so on github: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips

👍🏻

Fabian Schuh09:07:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

how long you guys not re-elected?

Technically, bitshares re-elects every 60 minutes ...

hultqvist09:08:00 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

That should be proof enough that if there is a delay

new bug not old

Fabian Schuh09:08:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

while congress only does so every what .. 6 years?

Digital Lucife®09:08:21 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

new bug not old

how new bug bug he is waiting for months ?

Alex M - clockwork09:08:30 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

new bug not old

Sure. Point is , they paid 15k just fine before

Fabian Schuh09:08:36 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

new bug not old

it's up to valera to complain with HTD ... I am not discussing this

Alex M - clockwork09:08:45 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If there's a delay , there must be a reason

hultqvist09:09:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

while congress only does so every what .. 6 years?

so do you promise re-elect in a year?

hultqvist09:09:36 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

If there's a delay , there must be a reason

what reason?) Why he dont know it?

hultqvist09:10:20 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and reset old voice for yur proxy?)

Fabian Schuh09:10:21 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

what reason?) Why he doesnt know it?

who do you know he doesn't know it?

Digital Lucife®09:10:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Valera Cogut - Freelancer employed by the blockchain through Consensus. Able to claim 15k USD, should be able to complain if 1500 USD is missing.

Digital Lucife®09:10:33 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You doing that - just doesnt add up

Fabian Schuh09:10:36 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Tell Valera he can message Ryan and figure out what's going on

Alex M - clockwork09:10:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

@valeracogut can you please speak for yourself and explain if there is an issue?

hultqvist09:11:05 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

who do you know he doesn't know it?

because I told with him yesterday about it)

Digital Lucife®09:11:14 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i asked him in WitnessGroup since i cant call his handle here

hultqvist09:11:34 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

Tell Valera he can message Ryan and figure out what's going on

he did it

Fabian Schuh09:12:46 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Internalyl on HTD .. i can see his claim be marked as "approved" on 1st of April ..

Fabian Schuh09:13:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

An invoice appears to have been sent out on 3rd ..

Fabian Schuh09:13:12 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

add some delay .. weekend and timezone .. now we are at 6th ..

Fabian Schuh09:13:17 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

So what?

hultqvist09:13:53 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so he waiting yet) two month)

Fabian Schuh09:14:27 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If you want that .. surely I can ask

Alex M - clockwork09:16:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

All this for a 2 day delay on a weekend?

Alex M - clockwork09:17:02 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Jesus christ

Digital Lucife®09:17:11 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If hultqvist doesnt stop someone remove from the group please

Digital Lucife®09:17:19 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

confirmed by Valera he has nothing to do with this

Valera Cogut09:18:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I can talk for myself guys, @hultqvist don't say for me please, all is ok with HTD :) I don't have any issues, all I can fix by myself 😉

hultqvist09:20:50 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

glad it all worked out

hultqvist09:20:54 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😂

Digital Lucife®09:21:20 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Pokemon

Digital Lucife®09:21:21 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork09:21:28 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Weird

Digital Lucife®09:22:06 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

after 1,5 year around here - weird = normal weekend :)

fav09:22:42 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

After 5 years here, everything is fine. After some g&ts

Alex M - clockwork09:29:57 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

after 1,5 year around here - weird = normal weekend :)

Lol

Digital Lucife®09:30:44 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

1,5 year ago i would be probably fudding everyone together with @hultqvist :)

hultqvist09:31:33 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

1,5 year ago i would be probably fudding everyone together with @hultqvist :)

Do you remeber Jured Rice?)

Digital Lucife®09:31:55 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Will never be able to forget

hultqvist09:32:40 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I get bans or RO in all bts chats)

Alex M - clockwork09:33:06 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I wonder why

hultqvist09:34:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

excluding rudex

Alex M - clockwork09:34:31 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yet the oppresive government of bts (/s) in this group allows you to speak freely

Valera Cogut09:34:46 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Yet the oppresive government of bts (/s) in this group allows you to speak freely

👍

Alex M - clockwork09:34:48 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

🤷‍♂

George (Bitspark)09:34:58 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

every couple of days he (hultqvist) says dumb stuff, doesnt reply to questions and its difficult to follow any coherant train of thought

George (Bitspark)09:35:08 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

so not surprised people confused

George (Bitspark)09:35:24 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

🤷‍♂️

hultqvist09:36:07 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I love you too Geogrge)

George (Bitspark)09:36:45 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

👍

hultqvist09:37:29 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

What questions did not I answer from you?

hultqvist09:38:25 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I dont forget you ask me smt

Chris09:43:30 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Has anyone looked at Krypticoin? I'm thinking of investing into It as well

Chris09:44:02 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Has anyone looked at Krypticoin? I'm thinking of investing into It as well

Valera Cogut09:44:14 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

you will be baned soon :)

Mathew09:54:42 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

I got bans or RO in all bts chats)

But you're such a pleasure to have around?

Mathew09:54:45 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😉

hultqvist09:54:58 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Why not?)

hultqvist09:55:13 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its funny

Ben huges09:57:44 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I want to buy btc

Once Uponatime10:16:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

Why not?)

Because some of us are quite busy and don't have as much time to waste as you.

funkit 🐝💋🍯10:19:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Morning guys. Once again: thanks for the support I get privately. I really appreciate it. But it would be more practical if you stood up in public. I get zero for speaking my mind. While at least some of you live from what you do.

funkit 🐝💋🍯10:19:37 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

onceponatime

Because some of us are quite busy and don't have as much time to waste as you.

But you would like his shares... how ironic

Crypto Kong10:43:22 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think we should ban beos talk in here... theres never healthy debate on the subject.

Crypto Kong10:44:36 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I support the project, others dont but theres never a healthy conversation. Just turns into mud slinging on both sides. Dont want another community fall out like with arise.

Fabian Schuh10:45:11 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

true that ..

Fabian Schuh10:45:30 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not sure about banning though .. would be easiest to ban, but thats also censoring

Crypto Kong10:46:23 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Redirect to beos room or bitshares community chat if they are happy for discussions in there

Crypto Kong10:46:53 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Mute people who dont listen for a week

Crypto Kong10:47:02 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

(Myself included)

Fabian Schuh10:47:10 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

on the otherhand, since beos doesnt follow social consensus on airdropping, ....

Fabian Schuh10:47:38 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Redirect to beos room or bitshares community chat if they are happy for discussions in there

we have two circle jerking rooms here, basically

Fabian Schuh10:48:52 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

not a huge fan of censoring ..

Fabian Schuh10:49:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

neither sides .. to be accurate

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funkit 🐝💋🍯10:54:23 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Me neither. But since I am banned, I am going to use every opportunity to highlight why BEOS is a baaad idea, poorly executed and a potentially danger for life liberty and prosperity.

George (Bitspark)10:57:05 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

not sure about banning though .. would be easiest to ban, but thats also censoring

could think of it this way too, this is a bitshares chat room, chat related to bitshares (that is, the bitshares-core repo) and related things to BTS directly should be discussed here, other things offtopic should probably be removed. That includes other separate chains that are not bitshares-core. Requires discretion from admins essentially.

Mathew10:58:05 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

This is my view tbh - it's Bitshares DEX, no harm flagging other projects and directing to their rooms

Mathew10:59:01 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I think it's fair enough for @onceponatime to complain about people shitting on it in here and for @funkit to complain about people shilling it

Fabian Schuh10:59:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Me neither. But since I am banned, I am going to use every opportunity to highlight why BEOS is a baaad idea, poorly executed and a potentially danger for life liberty and prosperity.

thats my concern ... can't ask legit questions in their channel without risiking a ban ... how is everyone supposed to get all the opinions if the unpleasant part of discussion is censored ..

Fabian Schuh10:59:39 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

difficult .. we used to discuss other chains to followed social consensus before

Mathew11:00:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

The community room could be a bit more open season

Fabian Schuh11:00:05 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i'd rather say we should allow constructive discussion in general ..

Fabian Schuh11:00:52 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

what makes this all delecate is THEIR claim to be 'partner' of bitshares ..

Mathew11:00:54 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

i'd rather say we should allow constructive discussion in general ..

That's ideal but this is the internet

Mathew11:01:10 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😉

Fabian Schuh11:01:12 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

and that imho justifies to allow clarifications

Fabian Schuh11:01:28 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

That's ideal but this is the internet

yeah .. me being naiive again .. lol

Mathew11:01:40 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Isn't part of the complaint from Once that Michael is banned?

Fabian Schuh11:02:51 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

Isn't part of the complaint from Once that Michael is banned?

Don't know the reasoning behind it .. but probably had to do with previous behavior

George (Bitspark)11:02:51 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

difficult .. we used to discuss other chains to followed social consensus before

i think as time goes on there will inevitably be more forks, therefore its not viable to say an infinite number of forks can be discussed here, only reasonable to direct to the respective rooms, just like trading chat.

Fabian Schuh11:03:48 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

As time goes on there will inevitably be more forks, therefore its not viable to say an infinite number of forks can be discussed here, only reasonable to direct to the respective rooms, just like trading chat.

true .. concerns could as well go to other platforms .. steem, medium ....

Fabian Schuh11:04:28 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ultimately, i dont know an answer and i am reluctant to use my admin powers in general (no clue why i have them to begin with)

funkit 🐝💋🍯11:06:49 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I’m with George in this. How awkward it must be to invest the company into one chain and every chat concerns some non-related chain.

funkit 🐝💋🍯11:08:34 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

When Zimbabwe dollars, George? Can’t wait 😊

Fabian Schuh11:09:32 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

well then .. whats the channel for beos?

funkit 🐝💋🍯11:09:50 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dunno. I’m banned

da Lexx11:11:43 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

well then .. whats the channel for beos?

officialbeos I think

George (Bitspark)11:12:28 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

When Zimbabwe dollars, George? Can’t wait 😊

i have a zim $100 trillion note somewhere at home, can begin market making with this 😉

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Fabian Schuh11:12:33 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ok .. sounds good to me .. lets redirect ..

Fabian Schuh11:12:45 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

i have a zim $100 trillion note somewhere at home, can begin market making with this 😉

looool

da Lexx11:13:01 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

i have a zim $100 trillion note somewhere at home, can begin market making with this 😉

Pamp it

da Lexx11:13:30 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Or create bitZIM

funkit 🐝💋🍯11:14:18 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

i have a zim $100 trillion note somewhere at home, can begin market making with this 😉

Use it for advertising.

Mathew11:16:28 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Can I aggressively shill bitCAD here?

Mathew11:17:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Ever since I brought it out of global settlement I've become a massive advocate for our Canadian dollar bitassett

George (Bitspark)11:17:07 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Use it for advertising.

actually is a great idea, will need to use it in conferences more and note how BTS is pumping vs Zim$

funkit 🐝💋🍯11:19:54 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cool. You know advertising is my old profession.

da Lexx11:20:58 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

WTF. I just read it costs 500 bts to make an beos acc

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Wehrrr11:22:49 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yes

Channel_Bot11:23:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

da Lexx11:23:52 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Its the same as create an Eos acc I guess

da Lexx11:24:21 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

You can get Eos acc for 1$ or so

Wehrrr11:25:00 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Exactly

Mathew11:26:28 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gzuz_342

WTF. I just read it costs 500 bts to make an beos acc

https://t.me/officialbeos

Mathew11:26:33 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😉

da Lexx11:27:18 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Oh I left

da Lexx11:27:33 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Some time ago

da Lexx11:28:01 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Mathew11:37:40 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gzuz_342

WTF. I just read it costs 500 bts to make an beos acc

This channel is focused on the Bitshares DEX. You can discuss BEOS at their channel (https://t.me/officialbeos) or with other interested Bitshares community members in the community room: https://t.me/bitshares_community

Mathew11:38:45 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Something like that I guess, can be compiled for different projects - the community room feels like a better place for broad chat on general projects linked to Bitshares in some way

Fabian Schuh11:44:56 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

No clue what the focus of community channel is ..

Fabian Schuh11:45:11 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

sounds wrong for us to declare what their focus is ..

fav11:50:04 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

BEOS is like talking to your new girlfriend about your ex. Leaves an unpleasant taste

fav11:50:10 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😂

Crypto Kong11:52:47 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

ok .. sounds good to me .. lets redirect ..

👍

funkit 🐝💋🍯11:57:08 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

favdesu

BEOS is like talking to your new girlfriend about your ex. Leaves an unpleasant taste

Explaining where the chlamydia came from?

は

はるか11:57:57 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

xeroc

thats my concern ... can't ask legit questions in their channel without risiking a ban ... how is everyone supposed to get all the opinions if the unpleasant part of discussion is censored ..

this is a big red light isn't it

Stephen Howell12:03:11 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hello, I want to purchase bitcoin of about 1000btc to 4000btc. Whoever has or knows someone who does should contact me. Thank you

Anmol Arora12:04:35 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

http://fainbory.com/An6w

Stephen Howell12:05:27 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Hello, I want to purchase bitcoin of about 1000btc to 4000btc. Whoever has or knows someone who does should contact me. Thank you

Crypto Kong12:06:34 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Stephen Howell

Hello, I want to purchase bitcoin of about 1000btc to 4000btc. Whoever has or knows someone who does should contact me. Thank you

i think i have $20 million worth of BTC lying around you could buy

Stephen Howell12:06:54 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Yes..

Crypto Kong12:07:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lol he actually pmd me

funkit 🐝💋🍯12:07:41 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Make sure to use stefans escrow 😉

R12:10:52 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

But many proxys in bts uses votes of death, forgot or unactive accounts (last several years) for raising their voting power, what are you going to do with it?

Decrease their vote weight with bsip 22

R12:11:44 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

hultqvist

Vote for Valera Gogut) He didn't get his bounty for last bug yet from bitshares burocrats and waiting it around 2 month)

Me neither plus the last few aught to have rewarded more :(

Crypto Kong12:11:54 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

funkit

Make sure to use stefans barter function 😉

tested that the other day, its really cool

Crypto Kong12:12:39 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

would work really well for some of cryptobridges illiquid coins

Crypto Kong12:12:53 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i dont think theres any plans for an OTC desk though

Crypto Kong12:13:23 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

would work really well depositing something at CB then OTC trade with HTLC direct to bitcoin wallet

R12:15:21 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

If they start creating bsips that's fair to discuss in here though imo

Crypto Kong12:16:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

cmmob

If they start creating bsips that's fair to discuss in here though imo

agreed

Crypto Kong12:16:52 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

to be honest i dont care if we discuss bitshares related projects.... its just when conversations become uncivilsed

funkit 🐝💋🍯12:19:52 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I could go on discussing Ark all day long. But I do that in designated corners of the internet. BTW they released a new white paper yesterday. Well worth reading for those who prefere white papers over fairytales.

Crypto Kong12:20:18 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i have a small bag of ark, dont know much about it these day to be honest

Crypto Kong12:30:27 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

On a BitShares related note: Seems REALLY weird looking at BTS-bitUSD market and the price not being around 0.0511

Alex M - clockwork12:31:37 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

On a BitShares related note: Seems REALLY weird looking at BTS-bitUSD market and the price not being around 0.0511

Lol

Mathew12:33:03 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

On a BitShares related note: Seems REALLY weird looking at BTS-bitUSD market and the price not being around 0.0511

No price talk. BAN.

Mathew12:33:25 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

I need to get admin rights somewhere so I can start swinging a ban hammer

da Lexx12:35:46 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

matle85

I need to get admin rights somewhere so I can start swinging a ban hammer

Just create your own room :)

Crypto Kong12:36:20 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

yeah piss off to your own room matt lol

da Lexx12:36:33 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😂

Crypto Kong12:36:51 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

😜

da Lexx12:37:38 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Will it ever be possible to do margin trading on dex as you do on finex ?

Crypto Kong12:38:22 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gzuz_342

Will it ever be possible to do margin trading on dex as you do on finex ?

i think a bsip is in the works

da Lexx12:38:30 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cool

Crypto Kong12:38:48 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

ryanRfox

Draft in progress

see here

Mathew12:38:57 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

yeah piss off to your own room matt lol

No Kongs, first rule

da Lexx12:39:17 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

see here

I see

Mathew12:39:44 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gzuz_342

I see

You see

da Lexx12:39:48 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Seems this is the year of exchanges and their tokens

Crypto Kong12:40:12 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gzuz_342

Seems this is the year of exchanges and their tokens

hope so cos i been accumulating BCO with staggered orders for a while now

da Lexx12:40:17 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Binance, Bitmax, bgg ...

Crypto Kong12:40:41 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

BCO will probably be the only one that doesnt pump lol

Mathew12:40:47 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gzuz_342

Will it ever be possible to do margin trading on dex as you do on finex ?

This sort of trading is like crack for prices

da Lexx12:40:47 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Bitmax is such a scam

Mathew12:40:56 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

If we get that before the next pump it would be insane

Mathew12:41:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Dizzying highs and stomach churning lows

Mathew12:44:51 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

gzuz_342

That shit will kill you dalexx, remember RAM?!

da Lexx12:45:26 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

it was good for my pocket. but not for my sleep

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Abdulrazaq Nafiu15:26:15 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Etherium needed quickly

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Digital Lucife®15:27:57 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Khanzunlah

Etherium needed quickly

I can issue a lot of EtherIums in a bit

Digital Lucife®15:28:00 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

how much you need ?

Alex M - clockwork15:28:56 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

lol

Alex M - clockwork15:29:00 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

1 million

funkit 🐝💋🍯15:29:43 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

Khanzunlah

Etherium needed quickly

How quick can you type Wallet.bitshares.org?

Abdulrazaq Nafiu15:30:09 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

murda_ra

I can issue a lot of EtherIums in a bit

2 eth

Digital Lucife®15:30:25 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

eth or etherIum ?

Digital Lucife®15:30:30 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

i dont have eth sorry

Digital Lucife®15:30:33 - 06 Apr 2019 [UTC]

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