Bitshares DEX Telegram History

Tiago19:30:12 - 12 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i think we're gonna go the "whitelist_markets" way

Bitsniper20:29:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So how to initiate something like this to start protecting ourselves (bitshares)

Alex M - clockwork08:30:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://medium.com/@everprove/everprove-our-vision-of-smart-and-distributed-document-archives-dfee27e5667b

Alex M - clockwork08:30:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

nice

Alex M - clockwork08:30:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

someone approached me at decentralized for exactly the same project

Alex M - clockwork08:30:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

same concept i mean

Alex M - clockwork09:29:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

oh god...

Alex M - clockwork09:29:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

not gaain

Wixlar News09:29:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ok ok . Thanks

Wixlar News09:29:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Got it

Alex M - clockwork09:29:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

we need another one of these for xbts it seems

funkit11:08:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

My point is that the DAO can't be expressed through deranged cliches like doc Brown and the numerous other cliches used.

Carsten11:09:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

admittedly can’t have too many doers... but the balance really seems to lack. we need more marketing pros that make the hard work shine

and more engineering allocated towards marketing ... like the seo/sem stuff

Stefan11:09:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@clockworkgr for press / marketing worker

Carsten11:10:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i mean look at how sneaky ethereum foundation is attacking eos now to defend its place

Carsten11:10:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

not saying we should be like that

Carsten11:10:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but more active

Carsten11:10:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

more targeted

Carsten11:11:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

is somebody doing analysis on our users and the market? what people search for; what they want / expect etc?

Carsten11:11:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

user feedback etc

Carsten11:13:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i mostly feel like i’m in a bubble when i enter bitshares telegram channels... and i was repeatedly reminded that there’s a much larger user base outside of those channels... but their opinions are not gathered / respected i assume

Carsten11:17:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

would also be interesting to look at what people like about competitors... good thing about internet, all that information flies around somewhere

Alex M - clockwork11:19:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

@clockworkgr for press / marketing worker 😁

I prefer tech though :(

Mathew11:19:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

would also be interesting to look at what people like about competitors... good thing about internet, all that information flies around somewhere

Waves basically just shilled aggressively for a long time

Carsten11:20:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Waves basically just shilled aggressively for a long time

question is whether there are valid points between the noise that attracts people

Alex M - clockwork11:20:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Stellar and decred are best to take pointers from imho

Carsten11:21:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

like those too

Carsten11:21:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

stellar is doing a professional job

Crypto Kong11:21:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

question is whether there are valid points between the noise that attracts people

We need to build an bigger, more active, more co ordinated twitter community. That would help massively. But also the other more proffesional stuff you mentioned.

Alex M - clockwork11:21:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Proposals.decred.org

Alex M - clockwork11:21:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We should've had that years ago

Crypto Kong11:21:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Twitter is the easiest way though that anyone can get involved in

Crypto Kong11:22:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Twitter and medium are great ways of getting coverage

Carsten11:24:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Twitter and medium are great ways of getting coverage

yes and they seem to be used a lot in this community. do we have analytics on how much traffic they generate?

Crypto Kong11:24:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

11.4k views on my most succesful article and im just a nobody pretty much on my own

Carsten11:24:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and are there targeted campaigns?

Carsten11:25:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

11.4k views on my most succesful article and im just a nobody pretty much on my own

but how many did it direct to bitshares dex?

Crypto Kong11:25:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

They have a few hashtags but thats it

Crypto Kong11:25:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

but how many did it direct to bitshares dex?

No idea

Crypto Kong11:25:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We know that majority of traffic flows to the dexbot website from my medium articles

Carsten11:26:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

we should utilize media attention... when there’s decentralized exchanges mentioned on cnn or whatever; we should have matching campaigns on all channels ... and analytics to see whether we actually accomplish anything

Crypto Kong11:26:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Agreed

Crypto Kong11:27:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ive also said many times we have so many people who post to steemit but not medium. Posting to steemit is preaching to our own community. Medium reaches the wider world

Carsten11:27:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

they should post a summary to medium or sth and link it to steemit

Crypto Kong11:28:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yup exactly

Carsten11:28:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and that should be connected to bitshares.org

Carsten11:28:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

or originally posted there

Stefan11:28:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Ive also said many times we have so many people who post to steemit but not medium. Posting to steemit is preaching to our own community. Medium reaches the wider world

I did in the beginning, can do that again. Will you clap.for me? :)

Dima BLCKCHND11:28:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

George_Bitspark

No, there is nobody to write anything to anyone, thats part of being decentralised

Crypto Kong11:28:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Same on twitter, the ones who do post use #bitshares (preaching to our own) we need to start using #blockchain & #crypto to reach a wider audience

Crypto Kong11:29:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

I did in the beginning, can do that again. Will you clap.for me? :)

Of course!

Crypto Kong11:29:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

This basic co ordination would help massively

Crypto Kong11:30:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also commenting on twitter threads of users with massive followings. If a group of us start up debates on these threads it will get us noticed.

Crypto Kong11:30:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also commenting on twitter threads of users with massive followings. If a group of us start up debates on these threads it will get us noticed.

Crypto Kong11:31:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If anyone wants to start a group specifically for co ordination of twitter activity i will join and help out as much as i can

Crypto Kong11:32:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Perhaps if we built up something decent the core group could be rewarded a little by a worker if we prove the amount of views/ interaction we are building

funkit11:33:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You got to look further than twatter, my friend

Crypto Kong11:33:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

You got to look further than twatter, my friend

Agreed but dont underestimate it

Crypto Kong11:34:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Theres hundreds of thousands of active crypto twitter users

Carsten11:34:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sounds all good but not really binding enough... and not only twitter yes.. we need coordinated professional campaigns ... hence sth that should have a budget and a team allocated

Crypto Kong11:35:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I agree we need to look further than twitter 100% but its easy, anyone can get involved and it has a massive audience

funkit11:35:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I think financial institutions should be targeted.

Mathew11:35:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

I agree we need to look further than twitter 100% but its easy, anyone can get involved and it has a massive audience

👆👆

Carsten11:35:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

anyone is good for spreading the word... but it might be counterproductive in a professional marketing sense

Carsten11:36:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i mean it should always be there to complement

Mathew11:36:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

sounds all good but not really binding enough... and not only twitter yes.. we need coordinated professional campaigns ... hence sth that should have a budget and a team allocated

Xeroc shared a proposal from someone on the forum. Anyone is welcome to raise a worker.

Carsten11:36:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but at the core we need a more coordinated effort

Crypto Kong11:36:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The problem is everyone moans about marketing but no one actually wants to do anything about it. They want someone else to create a worker and have someone else do the marketing for them.

Mathew11:37:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We need a great marketing company paid for by a worker

Mathew11:37:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Until we have that we should all be working on twitter etc

Mathew11:37:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We're pretty weak on that front as a community

Crypto Kong11:38:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

We're pretty weak on that front as a community

☝☝☝

Carsten11:38:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

The problem is everyone moans about marketing but no one actually wants to do anything about it. They want someone else to create a worker and have someone else do the marketing for them.

that’s why i say budget and team... i can only speak for myself. and i’m usually caught up in work to finance my family... i have my main job and 2-3 projects on the side regularly... but they all pay (or promise to pay)... i understand that people in the end don’t do anything because they would need to allocate time that they otherwise use for their income

Crypto Kong11:38:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

On twitter we have 4 main people spreading the word: johnny bitcoin (bitshares account), fav, me, kev messerly

Crypto Kong11:38:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Crypto Kong11:39:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Thats it

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:39:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I think it needs to be Grandma shopping in Walgreens on Christmas Eve hardened first

Crypto Kong11:39:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

There are quite a few others but they are the main ones

Crypto Kong11:40:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

I think it needs to be Grandma shopping in Walgreens on Christmas Eve hardened first

We arent even known in the crypto community. This is over reaching.

funkit11:41:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The crowdsourced marketing tactic backfires in so many ways since each individual overstates and misrepresents. It could be mitigated by quality controlled info graphics, statements and facts. But I'm appalled every time I'm approached by some twitter guerilla tactic

Alex M - clockwork11:41:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

We arent even known in the crypto community. This is over reaching.

So...Roger vers grandma for example?

Crypto Kong11:42:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

When people get into crypto one of the first things they do is google "crypto" or "blockchain" links to youtube and twitter start appearing. We have no presence on either. These are the places people go for info.

Carsten11:42:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

So...Roger vers grandma for example?

she’s busy reconfiguring her mining business

Crypto Kong11:42:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

So...Roger vers grandma for example?

He has no grandma he was spawned from hell lol

Crypto Kong11:43:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

This is why we should start a group perhaps agreeing on content first

Carsten11:43:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

tbh i never land on twitter when i search sth

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:44:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

There are quite a few others but they are the main ones

it's getting there, thanks to many peoples hard work. The Epilady was a good idea, had great marketing, but women hated it because it wasn't functional ripping the hair out of their body by the root....

Carsten11:44:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i never expect to discover useful information in 140 characters ... so the only times i land on twitter, is when somebody refers explicitly to sth there in other channels like telegram

Crypto Kong11:44:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Well theres plenty of crypto content only people on twitter with hundreds of thousands of followers, even more with 10s of thousands. Theres a massive active community out there that we are not actively engaged in.

Carsten11:44:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but i’m also not representative... i dislike social media :)

Carsten11:46:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

that is true... but are new people trying look into crypto connect there first, is the question

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:46:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

actually, I don't think any exchanges popped up under DLT or blockchain searches. Always seems to point to academics

Carsten11:47:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

actually, I don't think any exchanges popped up under DLT or blockchain searches. Always seems to point to academics

why would you search for dlt if you search an exchange

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:48:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

why would you search for dlt if you search an exchange

they both apply to Fintech as well

Carsten11:49:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

they both apply to Fintech as well

it it’s far too generic to be used as the only keyword when i search an exchange

Mathew11:49:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What about if we all prepare an RFP on Google docs for a marketing team? We can then tender it out and fund it with a worker

Mathew11:49:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Request for Proposal

Mathew11:49:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's how a normal company would do it and then you get serious bids from serious companies

Carsten11:50:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

might be good idea

Mathew11:50:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If we do it in Google docs 30/40 of us can input and make sure it covers everything we want from a marketing company

Mathew11:50:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

As think we all have different thoughts and it'd be good to capture them all in a coherent way

Aditya Raje11:51:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Just use fiverr to market far and wide for cheap . maybe influencer on YouTube

Alex M - clockwork11:54:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

adityaraje1990

Just use fiverr to market far and wide for cheap . maybe influencer on YouTube

We have a market cap of 200m and 70-80m reserves even at these crap prices. We spend >1m USD in development annually. I've said it before. Treating bitshares like something to be marketed by Fiverr people, buying linkbacks and tweets and small time stuff like that is a disservice to the platform and honestly and insult to the devs busting their ass

Stefan11:55:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

We need a great marketing company paid for by a worker

Great marketing company needs deep insight into BitShares

funkit11:55:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Word!

Aditya Raje11:55:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

What do u suggest..and quite frankly the devs are doing an awesome job ... Respect

Alex M - clockwork11:56:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i'm starting to consider hiring professionals using my contacts

Mathew11:56:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Great marketing company needs deep insight into BitShares

Agree

Mathew11:56:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Which is why the RFP requires they demonstrate that

Mathew11:57:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You require them to have done their due diligence and understood the project they are bidding for

funkit11:57:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I have said it many times, but I'll repeat: a clear value proposition is core to successfully market anything

Aditya Raje11:59:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

I have said it many times, but I'll repeat: a clear value proposition is core to successfully market anything

But BTS already has loads of value..its just tht ppl dnt know it..al the other coins (mostly) are just dipping their feet in the pond .bts is a mammoth

Alex M - clockwork12:00:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

You require them to have done their due diligence and understood the project they are bidding for

hence why i'm considering professionals...that even if they dont have the knowhow NOW ..they will obtain it in order to succeed

Alex M - clockwork12:00:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

e.g. WPP/IPG/Dentsu level

Crypto Kong12:01:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

i'm starting to consider hiring professionals using my contacts

if theres anything we can do to help you with this let us know, many seem keen but i think just lack the guidance on how to get going

Aditya Raje12:01:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

if theres anything we can do to help you with this let us know, many seem keen but i think just lack the guidance on how to get going

Yup sams here

Alex M - clockwork12:02:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

ofcourse...that will be costly

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:02:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Agreed. IMO that goes double for the backend security and hardware. You don't spend a fortune on dev software and host it for 99 cents

Alex M - clockwork12:02:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

Agreed. IMO that goes double for the backend security and hardware. You don't spend a fortune on dev software and host it for 99 cents

thats an issue because we have no way of checking

Alex M - clockwork12:03:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i know what I use...but cant say the same for other witnesses

funkit12:04:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Has there been any outcome from the hack the dex project?

Stefan12:04:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Has there been any outcome from the hack the dex project?

Yes a couple. Payouts and reports are stuck in internal process atm

Kristin Low12:05:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

100% 🙌

funkit12:05:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Yes a couple. Payouts and reports are stuck in internal process atm

Cool. Any serious threats?

Crypto Kong12:05:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

👍

Stefan12:06:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Cool. Any serious threats?

There will be public reports in time.

Crypto Kong12:10:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Something i was talking about the other day, I wonder what your lots opinion is on it. BitShares is a (decentralised) company, are there any thoughts/ opinions on how to make it profitable? Not just talking about adjusting fee schedule but perhaps possible profit making workers?

Crypto Kong12:12:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We currently have a shit load of workers that are of great expense but nothing that sends anything (profit) back to the reserve pool

Crypto Kong12:12:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

IMO its time things like this were considered

Carsten12:12:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

http://www.deutsch.com/projects/vw-rule-the-road they even helped VW :)

Kristin Low12:16:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Sounds interesting, though I'm not sure I follow. Can you give a hypothetical example?

Stefan12:17:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

If price goes up OMO will be profitable

Stefan12:18:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Other than that, the business smart way is the fee schedule, any worker with potential profit has risk of loss as well

Alex M - clockwork12:18:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

in theory we could have a for-profit worker

Alex M - clockwork12:19:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that splits profits to themselves and back to the chain

Alex M - clockwork12:19:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but i feel thats further down the road

Crypto Kong12:19:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Sounds interesting, though I'm not sure I follow. Can you give a hypothetical example?

to be honest, the only suggestion i have is like steffan says, something like the OMO but im guessing there are other possibilities

Kristin Low12:20:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm embarassed to say I don't know what OMO is

Crypto Kong12:20:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

open market operation, run by bitcrab. its essentially market making operation

Crypto Kong12:21:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i dont agree 100% with how its handled but i do agree its thinking along the right lines

Kristin Low12:21:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

open market operation, run by bitcrab. its essentially market making operation

Thanks man

Crypto Kong12:22:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

another possibility, this may come under marketing not sure, is a focus on referalls and the fee from lifetime members going back to the reserve

Crypto Kong12:22:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

something like that

Carsten12:23:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

where’s the fee going now?

Crypto Kong12:23:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

a website focussed on all the varying dexs available which lists all their volumes etc so users can sign up, create a bitshares wallet, then go trade on any of the exchanges from one website, "the crypto hub" or something like that

Stefan12:23:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

I'm embarassed to say I don't know what OMO is

It's a worker that has created BitCNY and BitUSD and is now holding BTS with that leverage

Kristin Low12:28:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

It's a worker that has created BitCNY and BitUSD and is now holding BTS with that leverage

Thanks dude, appreciated

Alex M - clockwork13:32:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Quick google search reveals that the agency I worked for for almost 12 years has started getting involved in crypto/blockchain stuff...

Alex M - clockwork13:32:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I will try and sniff around

Alex M - clockwork13:33:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

see what deal can be made

Alex M - clockwork13:39:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Seems like they have already done/are doing some work for dash

Alex M - clockwork13:39:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hmmm

Alex M - clockwork13:39:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Might have a non-compete clause

Fabian Schuh13:45:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Quick google search reveals that the agency I worked for for almost 12 years has started getting involved in crypto/blockchain stuff...

Wow!! Go for it! Let me know if you need sth

Fabian Schuh13:45:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Might have a non-compete clause

Why would a supplyer have a non-compete clause?

Alex M - clockwork13:45:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Oh trust me they do

Alex M - clockwork13:46:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

E.g. when we were running the account for one of the telcos here in greece

Alex M - clockwork13:46:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The contract stipulated we couldn't work for any other telco

Alex M - clockwork13:47:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

(that kind of non compete)

Fabian Schuh13:51:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork13:56:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://www.dash.org/2017/09/21/Ogilvy&Mather.html

Alex M - clockwork13:56:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Small time stuff it seems...so doubt there's such a clause

Alex M - clockwork13:56:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Still...will sniff around

fav13:58:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Niff around? Niffler?

fav13:58:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You damn nomages

funkit14:15:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You worked for Ogilvy, Alex? One of my inspirations when I was in advertising.

Alex M - clockwork14:17:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

You worked for Ogilvy, Alex? One of my inspirations when I was in advertising.

yeah

Alex M - clockwork14:17:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

2005 - 2017

Alex M - clockwork14:17:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

in 3 different subsidiaries

Kristin Low14:27:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Nice

Stefan14:54:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

You worked for Ogilvy, Alex? One of my inspirations when I was in advertising.

What I'm reading is we have 2 people here that are very much capable in advertising and also knowledgable in BitShares. Hmmm 😂

Alex M - clockwork14:54:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

What I'm reading is we have 2 people here that are very much capable in advertising and also knowledgable in BitShares. Hmmm 😂

you and ??

Stefan14:55:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

you and ??

@funkit and @clockworkgr, add @favdesu for the admin dreamjob 😳

funkit14:55:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The dream team

Alex M - clockwork14:56:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@favdesu? marketing?

Alex M - clockwork14:56:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

is that soem kind of reverse psychology thing?

fav15:00:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

@favdesu? marketing?

You know nothing Jon

Alex M - clockwork15:03:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

You know nothing Jon

intriguing

Alex M - clockwork15:03:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

do you use all your PR mana at yoru day job and keep the negativity for us?

funkit15:07:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I instantly got a PM from one of those telegram booster idiots. Report, delete.

Alex M - clockwork15:26:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@favdesu https://www.supercall.com/news/100-year-old-woman-credits-long-life-to-gin-and-tonics

Kristin Low15:33:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Six!!!

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Kristin Low15:33:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol, I'm on the way to a century then. Phew.

Chris Nicholas15:34:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Chris Nicholas15:35:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

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Chris Nicholas15:36:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hi friends

funkit15:46:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

A nice catch-phrase and Ogilvie is outcompeted. NB! not my photo, do not redistribute.

funkit15:48:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Of course a new line of Bitshares preinstalled Macs should be the logical next step. How about it, @clockworkgr ?

Mike Jefferson16:05:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Of course a new line of Bitshares preinstalled Macs should be the logical next step. How about it, @clockworkgr ?

Sorry for which company did you worked?

Mike Jefferson16:05:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

logic next step ?

funkit16:06:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Me? Nothing you would recognise. Self employed for the most part.

Mike Jefferson16:07:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I guess you have some dream thinking beliving Apple is going to preinstall bitshares.

funkit16:08:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It wouldn't happen. But they are good machines.

Mike Jefferson16:09:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

First of all Apple would never execpt a decentralised exchange without controlling it and even if they would accept it they would demand majority of income of it.

Alex M - clockwork16:10:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joke-----> Your head -------

Mike Jefferson16:20:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

i dont agree 100% with how its handled but i do agree its thinking along the right lines

The OMO would be a good project if it wouldn't be run by Bitcrab but a real trading professional. Having spent all amunition at 1.08 bitcny to later sell some collateral and having nothing left at 0.5 bitcny which could go further down till 0.25 shows what is happening when somebody controls nearly everything without having a clue about trading. The OMO fund which we had being used currently instead at that high price could get bitshares quickly back to TOP 25.

Mike Jefferson16:22:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also the leadership of bitshares is horrible.Extremly slow,no community friendly at all and most important no inovation at all. Also killing fresh blood and inovation with their old hierarchy. Being slow and always running behind other instead of leading

Mike Jefferson16:24:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

About their constant overpriced proposels i won't even say a word. Spending massiv funds on garbage instead of using it for mass adoption like every other major exchange is doing it.

Mike Jefferson16:25:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

And the nonsense experiment BSIP42 killed the volume and liquidity on bitshares dex

Mike Jefferson16:26:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

didn't many people claimed dex is being no.1 volume for bts ? I guess thats history after bsip42

Stefan16:29:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson

Who is the leadership / what are you referring to?

Mike Jefferson16:29:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Who is the leadership / what are you referring to?

the decission makers.The big proxies

Kristin Low16:31:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson

And the nonsense experiment BSIP42 killed the volume and liquidity on bitshares dex

It's one thing to criticise BSIP42. Its another to do so breathlessly after claiming a lack of innovation. Love it or hate it, BSIP42 was an experiment. The consequences of an experiment are the price of innovation.

Mike Jefferson16:32:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

So what was the benefit goal of that experiment ?

Kristin Low16:32:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Ask those that ran it.

Mike Jefferson16:32:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

good answer

Kristin Low16:33:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I personally don't like it, but the space for us to conduct such experiments should be protected.

Mike Jefferson16:33:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if it would have a goal which would make sense i would agree

Mike Jefferson16:33:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

however seeing to force bsip42 at all cost to manipulate price feeds

Mike Jefferson16:34:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

with the explanation we need a 1:1 peg at all cost

Mike Jefferson16:34:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

as thats the most important thing

funkit16:34:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Which is totally possible with the right steps.

Mike Jefferson16:35:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and reading later that we need to not allow feed price to go lower than real price even when breaking the 1:1 peg makes that experiment a joke and clearly shows the intation what exectly is the most important

Mike Jefferson16:36:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if feed price higher than real price that we need peg 1:1 at all cost. If feed price goes lower than real price we doesn't need to have 1:1 peg anymore. Lets save our collateral

Kristin Low16:38:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson

if feed price higher than real price that we need peg 1:1 at all cost. If feed price goes lower than real price we doesn't need to have 1:1 peg anymore. Lets save our collateral

Agreeing. I think the premise of the experiment is flawed. Personally I think the point of a peg is that it does fluctuate, and that the variance of a peg (required collateral) is a meaningful point of data bout the world. Especially relevant for currencies in decline,(VES etc) which is where BitShares should shine.

Kristin Low16:39:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But, we should still experiment of course.

Stefan16:40:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson

the decission makers.The big proxies

Please voice ideas / suggestions / constructive criticism towards any of the active proposals. Any feedback can be valuable

Alex M - clockwork16:42:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Proxies only vote proposals...they don't make them...

Kristin Low16:43:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Proxies only vote proposals...they don't make them...

Exactly. If we want good decisions from proxies, then the community needs to focus on providing better choices.

Alex M - clockwork16:43:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Well...some do...but they do the stuff they know best...so if you think something's missing , put a proposal up

Kristin Low16:43:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

(choices of proposals)

Kristin Low16:43:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yes

Mike Jefferson216:52:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

First of all i wanted to say thank you to the idiots who reported me as spam banning my account from using it for 7 days.Thats the exect issue i'm talking about a small group having their hierarchy and destroying anyone trying to change it.

Alex M - clockwork16:52:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Noone here. Trust me on this

Mike Jefferson216:53:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Proxies only vote proposals...they don't make them...

wrong most proposals are coming from proxies like bitcrab or the so called marketing proposal which xeroc showed for approval

Mike Jefferson216:53:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Noone here. Trust me on this

yeah i guess thats why i got banned

Mike Jefferson216:53:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Exactly. If we want good decisions from proxies, then the community needs to focus on providing better choices.

providing better choices?I saw tons of them

Mike Jefferson216:54:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the issue is getting the votes and you only receive votes when you are so called a "trusted member" of bitshares

Mike Jefferson216:54:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

who is going to spend so much time to gain trust of people to support bitshares with an innovative idea?

Stefan16:54:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

the issue is getting the votes and you only receive votes when you are so called a "trusted member" of bitshares

Not true. HackTheDex was from an "outsider". It does take some effort to get one through, yes

Mike Jefferson216:55:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I saw with my own eyes how the DEXbot guys had to beg for votes because they lacked of "trust" and they were no new members at all

Mike Jefferson216:56:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Now a bitcrab comes talks to xeroc and and Ronny and his project gets approved quickly

Stefan16:56:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I've unbanned your other account, pimp slapper got you. You can't send pics or links for 30 days, also some wordings are sanctioned from the but

Mike Jefferson216:57:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also i saw the marketing proposal from that guy about the refferal system trying to create a "united" refferal program

Mike Jefferson216:57:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it got rejected by bitcrab

Stefan16:57:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Now a bitcrab comes talks to xeroc and and Ronny and his project gets approved quickly

It's all about compromises and lots of iteration, which is not so publicly seen

Stefan16:57:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Also i saw the marketing proposal from that guy about the refferal system trying to create a "united" refferal program

Which one?

Mike Jefferson216:57:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the same proposal from Openledger got the words from bitcrab "What an interresting concept"

Mike Jefferson216:58:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just showing the proposal is not important but the person who makes them

Stefan16:58:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

the same proposal from Openledger got the words from bitcrab "What an interresting concept"

Are you referring to @thuleeee and the Market Fee Sharing BSIP?

Mike Jefferson216:59:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

yes to that but i don't know if his nick is thuleee

Once Uponatime16:59:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

just showing the proposal is not important but the person who makes them

Just like in real life 😁

Stefan17:02:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

yes to that but i don't know if his nick is thuleee

Thule lobbied the gateways directly and his proposal is not publicly known. OpenLedger's BSIP tackles it directly at core level. I would not say the same

Mike Jefferson217:02:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also i wrote but it hasn't been shown since i was banned already BTS is going soon to lose its promise of being fully backed .Its just a matter of time with BSIP42 . Who is going to take responsibility for that ? Cause nobody can tell me people didn't warned about that when experimenting with BSIP42 in a bearish time

Alex M - clockwork17:02:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

yeah i guess thats why i got banned

Well yeah...my bad...assholes everywhere...none of the proxies like you claim though...

Mike Jefferson217:03:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Well yeah...my bad...assholes everywhere...none of the proxies like you claim though...

i don't care what they like.I also don't like their noobish decissions

Alex M - clockwork17:03:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Not really... USD debt is backed 2x even now

Alex M - clockwork17:03:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

i don't care what they like.I also don't like their noobish decissions

Read more carefully

Mike Jefferson217:03:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Thule lobbied the gateways directly and his proposal is not publicly known. OpenLedger's BSIP tackles it directly at core level. I would not say it's the same, but it's also not possible to compare them

He said clearly it has been denied by bitcrab and the same guy writes to Openledger proposal what a great idea

Mike Jefferson217:03:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Not really... USD debt is backed 2x even now

i'm talking about bitcny

Alex M - clockwork17:04:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

i'm talking about bitcny

The same

Stefan17:04:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

i'm talking about bitcny

Here for a live global ratio http://bitassets.bitshares.eu

Alex M - clockwork17:04:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Here for a live global ratio http://bitassets.bitshares.eu

This

Stefan17:04:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

He said clearly it has been denied by bitcrab and the same guy writes to Openledger proposal what a great idea

I don't know how much the proposals compare. Did you get details from Thule?

Alex M - clockwork17:04:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Still have to sort out a better way to handle individual positions

Mike Jefferson217:06:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Still have to sort out a better way to handle individual positions

So you are going to allow individuals to have a CR under 1 at the cost of the whole communties collateral ?

R17:08:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

So you are going to allow individuals to have a CR under 1 at the cost of the whole communties collateral ?

Preferably not

Kristin Low17:08:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Not true. HackTheDex was from an "outsider". It does take some effort to get one through, yes

Yes, and I would argue that the effort required to get proposals approved is a feature of DPOS and BitShares, not a bug. Sometimes it's frustrating, but consensus on the direction is the point, and building consensus should be difficult..

Mike Jefferson217:09:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

reality is you need approval of 3 guys

Mike Jefferson217:09:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

thats not a decentralised consensus i understand as decentralised

R17:10:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Not true. HackTheDex was from an "outsider". It does take some effort to get one through, yes

They're no longer involved though, it's been reassigned to core devs

Kristin Low17:11:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

thats not a decentralised consensus i understand as decentralised

This is why it is *delegated* proof of stake. Maybe there are better ways in an ideal parallel universe, but it works pretty well here, imho.

Mike Jefferson217:12:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Did you watched at current price the margin wall at bitcny with a manipulated price feed ? Market is keeping going down .So maybe you guys explain to me how you are going to increase their CR's of these people? Do people who are under a CR of 1.75 have no right to sell currently their margin quickly ? Now they are basicly being taken hostage because of the price feed and hoping the price will go up or their margin quickly eaten when the market goes down

Mike Jefferson217:12:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

This is why it is *delegated* proof of stake. Maybe there are better ways in an ideal parallel universe, but it works pretty well here, imho.

centralised power by a handfull people you call pretty well for a decentralised exchange ?

R17:14:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

They're not hostages, they knew the risks.

Mike Jefferson217:14:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

of course they are hostage

Mike Jefferson217:14:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you are changing the rules each few days

Kristin Low17:14:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

centralised power by a handfull people you call pretty well for a decentralised exchange ?

The functionality is decentralised. The consensus model is delegated. It's not a democracy. How it works is not the same as what it is for. Two different things.

Mike Jefferson217:15:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

The functionality is decentralised. The consensus model is delegated. It's not a democracy. How it works is not the same as what it is for. Two different things.

where is the diffrence of being a stock owner holding majority of a stock of a bank and controlling it or holding majority of BTS and controlling DEX ?

Mike Jefferson217:16:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

They're not hostages, they knew the risks.

Show me the clear borders of BSIP42 cause i can't find them.So now tell me how am i supposed to calculate the risk if there is no info at all and each few days new proposals

Stefan17:17:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Are you really just upset over bsip 42, or also other workers? Please voice your critic with constructive suggestions (I will happily listen), or stick to what really bugs you

Fuzzy17:17:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Are you really just upset over bsip 42, or also other workers? Please voice your critic with constructive suggestions (I will happily listen), or stick to what really bugs you

this is a great idea :)

Fuzzy17:17:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

attack problems...not people

Fuzzy17:17:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

;)

Mike Jefferson217:18:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what bugs me is the old hierarchy milking the DEX and being an innovation killer.I could tell many of these kind of acts from the past but this would be personal attacks which i don't wanna do openly

R17:18:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Show me the clear borders of BSIP42 cause i can't find them.So now tell me how am i supposed to calculate the risk if there is no info at all and each few days new proposals

BSIP42 is unbounded afaik, but it does appear to be in good faith. I prefer privatised bitassets 👍

Kristin Low17:19:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

where is the diffrence of being a stock owner holding majority of a stock of a bank and controlling it or holding majority of BTS and controlling DEX ?

Where is the control? Anyone can create assets or exchange them on the DEX without proxy involvement. Governance does not impede usage, it informs function, and even then on selected assets at best.

Mike Jefferson217:19:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

BSIP42 is unbounded afaik, but it does appear to be in good faith. I prefer privatised bitassets 👍

Risking peoples money because something appears ?

Mike Jefferson217:20:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Where is the control? Anyone can create assets or exchange them on the DEX without proxy involvement. Governance does not impede usage, it informs function, and even then on selected assets at best.

Where is the problem of the big proxies splitting the power to the community ?

Kristin Low17:20:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Where is the problem of the big proxies splitting the power to the community ?

What power!?

Mike Jefferson217:20:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

voting power

Mike Jefferson217:20:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

decission making power

Stefan17:21:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

what bugs me is the old hierarchy milking the DEX and being an innovation killer.I could tell many of these kind of acts from the past but this would be personal attacks which i don't wanna do openly

Which innovation has been killed? (other than fee sharing in your view, which is not that innovative but more necessary basic)

Kristin Low17:21:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

voting power

You need to vote to make a trade.on the Dex? No. Then on what basis is it control?

Ferit Yılmaz17:21:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hello admin

Mike Jefferson217:21:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

You need to vote to make a trade.on the Dex? No. Then on what basis is it control?

I need a vote to protect my assets from nonsense

Kristin Low17:21:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

I need a vote to protect my assets from nonsense

Then vote with your orders.

Mike Jefferson217:22:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Then vote with your orders.

You still didn't answered my question.Where is the problem to split that power to the community

Mike Jefferson217:22:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

thats exectly the old status quo

Mike Jefferson217:22:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

not willing to be touched

Mike Jefferson217:22:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the old hierarchy

Parlando17:23:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Is bitshares still alive?

Alex M - clockwork17:23:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

where is the diffrence of being a stock owner holding majority of a stock of a bank and controlling it or holding majority of BTS and controlling DEX ?

None. And that's how it should be...if you had a few million USD invested in bitshares would you stick around if your vote counted the same as Johnny Tinfoil, owner of 10 bts ?

Ferit Yılmaz17:24:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hello admin I can't login to bitshares to get my deex coins. I forgot my password . Could you help?

Mike Jefferson217:24:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Which innovation has been killed? (other than fee sharing in your view, which is not that innovative but more necessary basic)

I saw a lot of great ideas of bitshares supporters and they didn't opened a proposal . You wanna know why ? Because 99% of people instantly tell him he has no chance to received the needed amount of votes

Kristin Low17:24:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

You still didn't answered my question.Where is the problem to split that power to the community

I did. I've directly challenged your reference to power. Its like you think that because you don't like the consensus model (again, delegated *not* decentralised, and certainly not democratic) that the whole thing is broken. It's not. I see no solid argument here other than a vague sense of dissatisfaction.

Mike Jefferson217:24:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

None. And that's how it should be...if you had a few million USD invested in bitshares would you stick around if your vote counted the same as Johnny Tinfoil, owner of 10 bts ?

LOL a few million invested

Mike Jefferson217:24:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what a joke

Mike Jefferson217:25:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if people bought their majority at cheap price and the price went up thanks to new supporters don't tell people he invested millions

Mike Jefferson217:25:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

he made millions

Mike Jefferson217:25:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but didn't invested

John Etor17:25:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hai add any coin in exchange list contact my exchange http://Www.instantbitex.com

Alex M - clockwork17:25:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Good on him...why didn't you?

Kristin Low17:25:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

if people bought their majority at cheap price and the price went up thanks to new supporters don't tell people he invested millions

That's 👏 the point 👏 of being 👏 an early adopter 👏

Mike Jefferson217:26:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

I could show so many exampled how the old group is using their voting for overpriced BS

Mike Jefferson217:26:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Good on him...why didn't you?

WHo said i didn't ?

Mike Jefferson217:26:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I belived in the decentralised exchange run by the community

John Etor17:27:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hai any coin add in my exchange http://Www.instantbitex.com plz comtact

Mike Jefferson217:27:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and thats the word RUN BY THE COMMUNITY

Mike Jefferson217:27:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and not run by 4 people

Kristin Low17:27:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

and thats the word RUN BY THE COMMUNITY

The same community that delegates decision making because of DPOS. It's literally in the name.

John Etor17:27:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

yes is in coin market cap

Mike Jefferson217:28:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How many people already left DEX because of that current Chaos which you guys created ?

Mike Jefferson217:28:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you call that consensus ?

Mike Jefferson217:28:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it seems more like bitcoin cash to me

Alex M - clockwork17:28:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

it seems more like bitcoin cash to me

Leave then

Alex M - clockwork17:29:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Spare us the rants

Mike Jefferson217:29:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Why should i leave my investment ?

Kristin Low17:29:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

it seems more like bitcoin cash to me

Cool, so opinions. What are you going to do to change things?

Alex M - clockwork17:29:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Do something useful then

Stefan17:29:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Can you be more precise please?

Mike Jefferson217:29:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I prefer to kick you guys instead of leaving

Once Uponatime17:30:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Why should i leave my investment ?

Because you don't have the temperament to build consensus, but seem to resent others who do.

Mike Jefferson217:30:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Stefans proposal about inactiv delegations.Why is nobody pushing it ?

Mike Jefferson217:30:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

oh so you wanna tell me bitcrab had community consensus ?

funkit17:30:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

I prefer to kick you guys instead of leaving

Well. I think you made your poin now. You don't like a majority vote. And everything is shit. There is always Ripple.

Mike Jefferson217:31:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

or the consensus of xeroc

Mike Jefferson217:31:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson217:31:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Well. I think you made your poin now. You don't like a majority vote. And everything is shit. There is always Ripple.

you made your marketing abilities very clear

Alex M - clockwork17:31:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

oh so you wanna tell me bitcrab had community consensus ?

Yes... All of the Chinese community...up to about 3-4x his own stake

Mike Jefferson217:32:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Yes... All of the Chinese community...up to about 3-4x his own stake

lol

Mike Jefferson217:32:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

do you even read the chinese community ?

Mike Jefferson217:32:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How many are attacking him ?

Mike Jefferson217:32:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

WHat kind of words they use for him ?

Mike Jefferson217:33:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Did you saw how many votes BSIP42 no had even without the big proxies ?

Kristin Low17:33:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

onceponatime

Because you don't have the temperament to build consensus, but seem to resent others who do.

Well put.

Stefan17:33:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Stefans proposal about inactiv delegations.Why is nobody pushing it ?

One of the main issues with that proposal is that will very likely centralize power even more.

Alex M - clockwork17:33:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yes often

Mike Jefferson217:34:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

One of the main issues with that proposal is that will very likely centralize power even more.

So why is there no further brain storming ?How long have you prosed it ? There is no interrest in giving the community any power

Stefan17:34:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

So why is there no further brain storming ?How long have you prosed it ? There is no interrest in giving the community any power

Anyone can push and lobby a proposal, you included

Mike Jefferson217:35:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

who is going to vote for it ?

Mike Jefferson217:35:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the big proxies?

Fabian Schuh17:36:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

People being upset that I want to earn money for my hard work? Or people upset because no single entity controls 20% of some initial stake like most other big blockchain projects that grew beyond anything reasonable because they just throw money around?

Mike Jefferson217:36:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

People being upset that you play with their money

Mike Jefferson217:36:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

risking everything they own

Alex M - clockwork17:36:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Did you saw how many votes BSIP42 no had even without the big proxies ?

yeah i did ...michael and ronnys

Mike Jefferson217:37:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

yeah i did ...michael and ronnys

LOL which came later

Alex M - clockwork17:37:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

proxies call the shots both ways...not only when it suits you\

Mike Jefferson217:37:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

at least they had the backbone to show a signal

Mike Jefferson217:37:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but risking my money

Mike Jefferson217:37:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

are the proxies going to refund me my money based on their bad decissions ?

funkit17:38:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

but risking my money

Don't be delusional. Yo are the one risking money.

Alex M - clockwork17:38:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

why dont you campaign for proxy?

Mike Jefferson217:38:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I put money based on promises

Alex M - clockwork17:38:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you seem to have all the answers

Mike Jefferson217:38:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

which you have broken

Mike Jefferson217:38:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

DEX was never created to start with manipulations

Mike Jefferson217:39:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if you wanna manipulate ok do it with your own money

Mike Jefferson217:39:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but let our money away

Alex M - clockwork17:39:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you also appear to believe you have convincing arguments...should have no problem convincing people to switch their vote

funkit17:39:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

if you wanna manipulate ok do it with your own money

Neither was it started to be a kindergarden

Mike Jefferson217:39:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You started the kindergarten when starting BSIP42

Mike Jefferson217:39:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

thats the reaction based on your actions

Alex M - clockwork17:40:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

seeing as over 50% of bitusd and cny supply is created by those peopel you resent i'd argue they have more of a case

funkit17:40:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So unvot it. Thats how it works.

Mike Jefferson217:41:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

seeing as over 50% of bitusd and cny supply is created by those peopel you resent i'd argue they have more of a case

LOL your answers clearly shows you have no clue about decentralisation if you claim just because someone created 50% of an asset he is allowed to put other peoples money also in risk

Mike Jefferson217:41:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

decentralised was created to make that NOONE can take your money or make any BS

Kristin Low17:41:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

but let our money away

Again, vote with your orders. No one is forcing you to participate in a market you think is unfair.

Mike Jefferson217:43:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You advertise that at DEX you and only you own your assets.What the diffrence with fiat when a small group can break a promise and make your coins worthless if they decide so

Mike Jefferson217:43:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

no diffrence to a centralised central bank

funkit17:44:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

no diffrence to a centralised central bank

That's what you argued for 150 posts up

Mike Jefferson217:44:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You guys fucked up with BSIP42 and won't admit it.And the worst part is we keep moving down and there are new big issues coming which you deny to see

Tom Motoy17:44:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson217:44:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

losing all credibitily of BTS

Kristin Low17:48:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

losing all credibitily of BTS

Your positions will be harder to liquidate the more you rail against the platform they're held on. Sell or solve, these are your choices.

Mike Jefferson217:48:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Did you even noticed on DEX that people with big buy orders took these orders away to take any support away to let it keep falling ?

Mike Jefferson217:49:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Your positions will be harder to liquidate the more you rail against the platform they're held on. Sell or solve, these are your choices.

You are basicly losing trust on BTS which i invested a big chunk into it with your poor actions

funkit17:52:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kritin actually works for a ompany heavily invested

Mike Jefferson217:53:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Kristin actually works for a ompany heavily invested

and ?

funkit17:53:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Which invalidates your statement.

Mike Jefferson217:53:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

doesn't change the fact that BTS is in directly way to lose its trust

Mike Jefferson217:56:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Your positions will be harder to liquidate the more you rail against the platform they're held on. Sell or solve, these are your choices.

but kristin you are right

Mike Jefferson217:56:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i'm tired of that situation

Mike Jefferson217:56:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and i'm going to focus now to change it

Mike Jefferson217:57:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but don't cry about a community war on DEX

Mike Jefferson217:57:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

because its the old hierarchy who doesn't want to split power to the community

Mike Jefferson217:59:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and there will be dirt of some members cleaned

Mike Jefferson218:08:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

They're not hostages, they knew the risks.

Please explain to me how a new user on DEX who is taking margin knows the risk?Where is he able to read about the borders of the risks and price feed manipulation. Since you claim people know the risk i would like to know where new traders and even OLD traders can see the borders of the price manipulation to evaluate the amount of risk

R18:10:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

No, do your own research 👍

Kristin Low18:10:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Documentation is a consistent challenge. Can you help to document it clearly for newcomers?

Mike Jefferson218:11:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

No, do your own research 👍

I did and there is no information when taking margin saying a single word about price feed manipulation

Mike Jefferson218:11:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

seems very legit for me such a DEX to new USers

Mike Jefferson218:11:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Documentation is a consistent challenge. Can you help to document it clearly for newcomers?

Ask the people who are milking the DEX

Kristin Low18:14:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Ask the people who are milking the DEX

This isn't a service we are providing you. Its a community aligned around a vision and a set of values. You can choose to be a part of it. Many people here contribute vast amounts of their time without pay to make it better. Your opinion will get traction if you join in on the work.

Fabian Schuh18:28:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

This!

fav18:41:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

@favdesu https://www.supercall.com/news/100-year-old-woman-credits-long-life-to-gin-and-tonics

Fuck, I don't want to life that long

Virtual Growth18:42:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Fuck, I don't want to life that long

😝

Mike Jefferson218:44:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

which values are you talking about?The ones you are breaking each day ? Or maybe indirectly scamming people promoting free margin without informing about the price feed manipulation ? You want me to update the documentary ? Ask Xeroc since i didn't voted for BSIP42 and am also not being imformed about the borders of that so called experiment and am also not in their private group where they exchange information between themself so its not open to the public. So your requests seems funny to me since its only a small group which would apply to your request as the majority doesn't know till today where the borders on BSIP42 are or why it was already being implemented on BitUSD where the consensus was a clear no

Slavi La Libertad18:44:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Did you even noticed on DEX that people with big buy orders took these orders away to take any support away to let it keep falling ?

brother-john?

Mike Jefferson218:44:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

memset

brother-john?

one of them.I guess bitcrabs biggest fear

Mike Jefferson218:45:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

he also voted against BSIP42

Mike Jefferson218:46:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

He took arround 6 milllion bitcny orders out of DEX.

Mike Jefferson218:47:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but i guess a guy like him who is against BSIP42 is just an average John Doe with 10 BTS like Alex wrote

Slavi La Libertad18:48:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

but i guess a guy like him who is against BSIP42 is just an average John Doe with 10 BTS like Alex wrote

Anyway he has 16M BTS for voting.

Mike Jefferson218:48:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and he used them

Mike Jefferson218:49:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

he would have way more voting power now if there wouldn't be BSIP42

Slavi La Libertad18:50:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I don't think he waits a big falling, just do not have a chance to buy a big stake...

Mike Jefferson218:52:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wouldn't be BSIP42 his orders would have be filled long time ago

Mike Jefferson218:52:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

he took the orders clearly away to give no more price support to BTS

Mike Jefferson218:52:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

forcing the price to dip more so he can later execute his orders.Its a game between margin calls/bitcrab and him

Mike Jefferson218:54:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

He is going to eat a big stake of bitcrabs collateral and bitcrab is trying to protect it at all cost

Mike Jefferson218:54:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you can still keep beliving the 1:1 peg but its funny the peg isn't important anymore when the feedprice is under real price

Mike Jefferson218:56:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So its basicly about keeping control over DEX or losing it

Kristin Low18:57:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Cool. Simpler to say that you don't want to help.

Mike Jefferson218:57:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

why would i help somebody to manipulate at the cost of other people ?

Mike Jefferson218:58:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Cool. Simpler to say that you don't want to help.

Helping with what ?

Mike Jefferson218:59:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If you want i can ask now @Xeroc openly what are the borders of BSIP42 and why has it been implemented already to BitUSD ?Where can new members of DEX find information about these price information so they can evaluate the risk they will take when taking margin ?

Kristin Low18:59:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Helping with what ?

Documentation. Your complaint was that no-one can know what is happening, the solution is documentation. You can do that if you feel the problem is sufficient to address.

Sure Odds18:59:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEqkEFtT1VmqfuXnew

Sure Odds19:00:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEqkEFtT1VmqfuXnew

Mike Jefferson219:00:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Documentation. Your complaint was that no-one can know what is happening, the solution is documentation. You can do that if you feel the problem is sufficient to address.

How do you want me to make documentation when i don't have this kind of information

Sure Odds19:00:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEqkEFtT1VmqfuXnew

Sure Odds19:00:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Please you guys follow that channel to earn more money

Mike Jefferson219:00:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You maybe can ask Xeroc which are the borders of BSIP42 and where information can be found since he is one of the key supporters making BSIP42 possible

Kristin Low19:01:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Learn it. Ask people. Synthesise it. There's no conspiracy here, just people doing what they can to build something. We need more dot connectors. That could be you.

Mike Jefferson219:01:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I asked 10 times

Mike Jefferson219:01:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

no answer coming

Mike Jefferson219:01:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and i'm not a member of the closed group

Mike Jefferson219:01:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so like i said ask xeroc

Mike Jefferson219:03:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bitusd shouldn't be implemented so quickly based on consensus but still it happened.When asking why there is no answer to it but its just a few people who make bsip42 possible so ask them

Slavi La Libertad19:03:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BSIP42's borders are dynamically... unknown. 😄

Mike Jefferson219:03:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

memset

BSIP42's borders are dynamically... unknown. 😄

exectly :)

Mike Jefferson219:04:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if a guy opens margin at 40% price manipulation and loses a lot of his margin 2 days later because price manipulation went down he is wondering why

Mike Jefferson219:04:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but hey

Mike Jefferson219:05:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

DEX is full transparent and your asset is secure with us

Mike Jefferson219:05:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you don't need to understand why or what its just important we have a so called "community consensus"

Mike Jefferson219:08:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Maybe someone of the guru's here can explain to this guy why on DEX the value of his collateral BTS has been so much decreased even the market didnt moved at all. Will be funny to see if he is going to accept your argumentation about the value of BTS which is being used as collateral.

Slavi La Libertad19:09:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I prefer changing MCR dynamically, but it brings more risk to get a global settlement. A big movement down from 1.25 ratio is worse, than from 1.75... Imho. Anyway I think that DEX should protect yourself over some ways, I don't know how. Because BTS and bitassets are a heart of the DEX...

Sure Odds19:09:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Someone dm me.. bitcoins for sale

Mike Jefferson219:11:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I hope some of the gurus here can write a nice explanation to these people why the real value of BTS is being so massivly diffrent from real market value. Would you deposit collateral to a bank which evaluates your collateral with a 40% price diffrence in 2 days without any movement ?

Slavi La Libertad19:11:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So I do not have an idea how to increase a supply of bitUSD as a stablecoin and attract much more people to use it (especially to create with some risks...).

Mike Jefferson219:12:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

People moaning here we need more bitassets but who is going to create them un such an unstable platform

Slavi La Libertad19:12:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

People moaning here we need more bitassets but who is going to create them on such an unstable platform

Good point. Especially on a bear market. :)

Mike Jefferson219:13:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

maybe you can show me the insane people who will open bitassets where they can lose 40% so quickly without any real value changes

Mike Jefferson219:13:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just based on manipulated price feeds

Slavi La Libertad19:16:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

maybe you can show me the insane people who will open bitassets where they can lose 40% so quickly without any real value changes

Not a lucky one. :) But frankly this story is a conflict of interests imho, bitassets holders vs huge borrowers.

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evolution19:30:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

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Alex M - clockwork19:31:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

evolution7

Hello! Who can help me to contact withi trusty.fund team? I can not find their contacts. I want to help them translate this awesome product to Russian and Ukrainian language. Thanks!

They're all at the bitshares-community-ui github

Stefan19:32:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

evolution7

Hello! Who can help me to contact withi trusty.fund team? I can not find their contacts. I want to help them translate this awesome product to Russian and Ukrainian language. Thanks!

Contact @murda_ra

Andrea Kovačić19:37:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I made an transfer of btc to binance using gdex, it appears on the activity but the funds doesnt arrive

R19:38:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Andrea Kovačić

I made an transfer of btc to binance using gdex, it appears on the activity but the funds doesnt arrive

contact gdex

Crypto Kong19:38:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike why dont you setup for proxy votes? The ecosystem needs more proxies of varying points of view and many share your views.

Andrea Kovačić19:39:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

cmmob

contact gdex

On telegram or?

Mike Jefferson219:39:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it takes a lot of time to reach any significant amount of BTS.At that time BTS trust will be already lost

Mike Jefferson219:40:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BTS is directly moving to lose its fully backed promise

Crypto Kong19:40:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If you think bts has already lost why dont you sell before it goes to zero?

Mike Jefferson219:41:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

actually this is the lost month i will hold if nothing will change i will move to somewhere else. Great project which got destroyed by a few people

Crypto Kong19:42:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

IMO the system works. It just needs more proxies.

Mike Jefferson219:43:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you won't get them

Crypto Kong19:43:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Its not their fault if everyone hands the power to a few people....

Mike Jefferson219:43:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you clearly see the proxies are not willing to share their power

Mike Jefferson219:43:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

actually it is

Crypto Kong19:43:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Its not up to them

Mike Jefferson219:43:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i remember you with markko

Mike Jefferson219:43:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

trying to get votes for dexbot

Mike Jefferson219:43:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

begging people to give their votings

Crypto Kong19:43:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We got there in the end

Mike Jefferson219:44:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

something like that discourage people of opening worker propsals

Crypto Kong19:44:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Money shouldnt be paid out to anyone for anything...

Crypto Kong19:44:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But i agree things need to improve

Mike Jefferson219:44:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Money shouldnt be paid out to anyone for anything...

its not about the money but projects being approved

Crypto Kong19:45:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alex is working on beet which will allow for easy voting and proxy showcasing websites

Crypto Kong19:45:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Things will get better

Mike Jefferson219:45:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The issue is timing

Mike Jefferson219:46:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

DEX is going to lose the battle if they want move quickly

Mike Jefferson219:46:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

there are many DEX'es already

Mike Jefferson219:46:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

with big capital

Crypto Kong19:47:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Theres a lot going on and to be honest... id rather bitshares focussed on branching out rather than foccussing on the dex all the time

Crypto Kong19:47:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dex is not the be all and end all

Kristin Low19:47:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

DEX is going to lose the battle if they wont move quickly

It is not about speed. It's about sustainability. Sustainability = our ability to resist attacks of all types from all actors.

Crypto Kong19:47:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitshares is so much more

Mike Jefferson219:48:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and everything is so extremly slow here proposal except from old members but which content is poor for mass adoption

Mike Jefferson219:48:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

It is not about speed. It's about sustainability. Sustainability = our ability to resist attacks of all types from all actors.

You are losing the battle of mass adoption

Mike Jefferson219:48:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Once there will be other DEX'es which have a high popularity it will be way more difficult for bitshares dex to succeed

Kristin Low19:48:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

You are losing the battle of mass adoption

That which is adopted is that which survives. All else is fashion.

Mike Jefferson219:49:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you focus only on technical issues and have a total lack of mass adoption

Crypto Kong19:49:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitshares doesnt have to be the only dex... there will be loads.

Mike Jefferson219:49:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You focus on price of BTS instead of getting new users

Kristin Low19:50:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Bitshares doesnt have to be the only dex... there will be loads.

This is true.

Crypto Kong19:50:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike if you had the power to create a worker and pass it, what would it be?

Mike Jefferson219:50:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Bitshares doesnt have to be the only dex... there will be loads.

People will use DEX which has most liquidity,is popular and also offers addoption. How is DEX going to offer addoption when it has a clear lack of users

Crypto Kong19:50:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

People will use DEX which has most liquidity,is popular and also offers addoption. How is DEX going to offer addoption when it has a clear lack of users

Then why do people use cexs with no volume?

Crypto Kong19:51:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How many cexs are there?

Mike Jefferson219:51:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

also the current situation shows there is no real solution to get the users to DEX

Crypto Kong19:51:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Mike if you had the power to create a worker and pass it, what would it be?

☝☝☝☝

Mike Jefferson219:52:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

How many cexs are there?

Diffrent intentions.No KYC,Opportunities,Language restricten Withdrawl restriction etc

Mike Jefferson219:52:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

☝☝☝☝

It would be marketing

Mike Jefferson219:52:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but not the way it was proposed

Crypto Kong19:53:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

So with all the problems bitshares has in your opinion you think the best thing to do is market a bad platform?

funkit19:53:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

😂

Kristin Low19:54:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

So with all the problems bitshares has in your opinion you think the best thing to do is market a bad platform?

😂😂😂

Mike Jefferson219:54:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

as it would be spending 100k Euro (which is for these types of companies peanuts) but focusing on low cost effectiv marketing. The refferal program from thulee was a good beginning.Opening a refferal program is good but you need to advertise such a refferal program.Webmasters are not going to flood you just because you opened it.Having a small team contactiv activly website owners who have already thousands of website ranked to add the affiliate link of bitshares

Crypto Kong19:55:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike did you know there are 16 exchanges building on the bitshares blockchain?

Crypto Kong19:55:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

(That im aware of)

funkit19:55:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

And more incoming

Kristin Low19:56:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Not bad for a bad platform

Mike Jefferson219:56:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

So with all the problems bitshares has in your opinion you think the best thing to do is market a bad platform?

what is causing the problem ? 1.Lack of bitassets .New users would produce more bitassets and increase the BTS price which would also lead to more liquidity on DEX. More volume would increase the profit for the foundation and gateways which could use it also for better marketing. Another issue is of course the price manipulation.However i doubt it can be solved quickly because in my personal opinion its to protect collateral and not about being pegged 1:1

Crypto Kong19:57:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yup. The bitshares dex wont be used much by traders in the future IMO. Its a blockchain, it will be used by businesses. The traders will use the exchanges built on the blockchain

Mike Jefferson219:57:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Mike did you know there are 16 exchanges building on the bitshares blockchain?

yes was working also on an exchange but stopped it.

funkit19:57:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike, did you know the choices for depositing btc has grown from 1 a year and a half ago to 8 or 9 at present?

Mike Jefferson219:58:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Mike, did you know the choices for depositing btc has grown from 1 a year and a half ago to 8 or 9 at present?

What does it bring when most have no volume ?

Mike Jefferson219:58:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you want people to sell their BTC with high fee?

Stefan19:58:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

I'd support a well drafted marketing proposal, as so many others would as well. My support would be mostly to advertise it though. OpenLedger also started collect ideas on a marketing proposal.

Crypto Kong19:58:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

IMO it is more important to build tools, stuff businesses can use.

funkit19:59:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

That's not the point. Choice is. Volume is down in the entire crypto land.

Mike Jefferson220:00:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

IMO it is more important to build tools, stuff businesses can use, than focus on dex.

business go there where the money and adoption is

Mike Jefferson220:00:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if they would have to choose between binance and dex which one would they chose ? The answer is binance and not because they are better but because they have volume and adoption

Crypto Kong20:01:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

business go there where the money and adoption is

Is this not adoption? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4Nh1xXwnMLeplCaHXTZlOAJmI8otB5HUK90mRXe7lk/edit?usp=sharing

funkit20:01:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

business go there where the money and adoption is

So in other words you should be packing your bags instead of crying for your sick mother

Mike Jefferson220:02:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

I'd support a well drafted marketing proposal, as so many others would as well. My support would be mostly to advertise it though. OpenLedger also started to collect ideas on a marketing proposal.

It would require some changes on DEX like the refferal program.I'm monitoring it but its so extremly slow and also many points very unclear which could make it unsuccessfull

Crypto Kong20:02:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

if they would have to choose between binance and dex which one would they chose ? The answer is binance and not because they are better but because they have volume and adoption

What kind of business are you talking about?

Mike Jefferson220:02:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Is this not adoption? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4Nh1xXwnMLeplCaHXTZlOAJmI8otB5HUK90mRXe7lk/edit?usp=sharing

It is but not compared to binance

Crypto Kong20:03:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Why compare bitshares (a blockchain) to binance (a centralised exchange) they are not the same.

Mike Jefferson220:04:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

What kind of business are you talking about?

All kinds of businesses. People owning businesses are also reading financial content and there you don't find any info about bitshares DEX.They mainly report about Binance

Mike Jefferson220:04:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Why compare bitshares (a blockchain) to binance (a centralised exchange) they are not the same.

Because thats what "normal" non techny people do

Crypto Kong20:05:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But are we really interested in wasting time trying to attract non techy normal people? They buy the top of markets loose there money and never come back

Crypto Kong20:05:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We want to attract businesses

Crypto Kong20:05:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

To build on bitshares

Crypto Kong20:05:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

To strengthen the ecosystem

Mike Jefferson220:08:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

attract businesses is a good point but still it has a lack of active users

Crypto Kong20:08:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitshares is a blockchain, the aim of the game is to drive demand for BTS. The best way to do this is have more people build on it and increase amount of fees spent on the blockchain. The best way to do this is create a wide variety of tools/ software for people to use so they dont have to build it. Like how the reference wallet allows businesses to create an exchange without having to build a front end.

Crypto Kong20:09:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The more tools/software available the better.

Crypto Kong20:09:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

attract businesses is a good point but still it has a lack of active users

Its still very early days IMO

Mike Jefferson220:10:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

The more tools/software available the better.

You are correct however companies will choose solutions where is more liquidity and more activ users.Having a larger user base is also way more attractiv for companies to build dapps on your blockchain

Crypto Kong20:10:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitshares is by far the most active blockchain that includes a dex

Mike Jefferson220:11:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Bitshares is by far the most active blockchain that includes a dex

currently

Crypto Kong20:11:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Businesses dont expect to be handed users... thats their job to gain customers

Mike Jefferson220:11:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Businesses dont expect to be handed users... thats their job to gain customers

thats not true

Crypto Kong20:11:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The less they have to build so they can focus on getting more customers the better

Crypto Kong20:12:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What kind of business are you talking about?

funkit20:12:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

drug cartels?

Mike Jefferson220:13:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Any business

Crypto Kong20:13:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

...

Mike Jefferson220:13:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just have a look how many complaints bitshares based products have

Mike Jefferson220:14:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

because bitshares is unknown to these people

Crypto Kong20:14:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How does the number of traders affect a business like everprove?

Mike Jefferson220:14:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you could even say spitting blood to these projects which changed from ethereum to bitshares

Mike Jefferson220:15:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

first of all reputatiob

Carsten20:15:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Is this not adoption? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q4Nh1xXwnMLeplCaHXTZlOAJmI8otB5HUK90mRXe7lk/edit?usp=sharing

beos is missing hihi

Mike Jefferson220:15:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

ask people about bitshares dex

Mike Jefferson220:15:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and majority doesnt know it

Mike Jefferson220:15:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and also don't like the system at the beginning

Mike Jefferson220:15:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

as they are teached to handle cex

Crypto Kong20:15:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

At the end of the day theres a lot of stuff that can be improved on bitshares but dont ignore all the good stuff thats going on. There's A LOT to be positive about

Mike Jefferson220:16:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i don't deny it

Crypto Kong20:16:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

beos is missing hihi

Im gonna add it when theres more solid info

Mike Jefferson220:16:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but its not changing the fact that bitshares has a lack of growing user base

Mike Jefferson220:16:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and has massiv issues with BSIP42

$torm20:16:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bitshares will replace world currencies

$torm20:16:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HODL for new ATH

Mike Jefferson220:17:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and a lack of real community voting

Crypto Kong20:17:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

and has massiv issues with BSIP42

Yeah im not a fan of whats going on with that

Mike Jefferson220:17:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

$torm

bitshares will replace world currencies

there you are wrong

$torm20:17:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i am absolutely not

$torm20:17:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i did the mathes

Mike Jefferson220:17:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

your maths won't change governmental orders for 2020

$torm20:17:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

world governments are accumulating bitshares as we speak

Mike Jefferson220:18:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

start reading reports

$torm20:18:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i have inside info

Crypto Kong20:18:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

Alex M - clockwork20:18:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

drug cartels?

Drug cartels are still heavy on increasing userbase...they don't expect to be handed users...usually their marketing is limited to free samples...seems to work well for them

Mike Jefferson220:18:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you don't need any inside info it would be enough when you would read governmental reports which are public

$torm20:18:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

new ATH in 3 days

$torm20:19:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the government reports are filled with words and phrases nobody knows

$torm20:19:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

inside info > orange man in a suit

$torm20:20:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

can i get an amen

Crypto Kong20:20:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

😂

Kristin Low20:20:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Businesses dont expect to be handed users... thats their job to gain customers

100% correct.

Crypto Kong20:21:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

100% correct.

As always 😜

$torm20:21:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the userbase for bitshares are the PEOPLE

$torm20:22:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

we are all united in our continuted interest to replace world currencies with bitshares

$torm20:22:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and for bitshares to pump 500x in 3 days

Crypto Kong20:22:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://twitter.com/everprove_app/status/1063867906851778561?s=19

Kristin Low20:23:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Drug cartels are still heavy on increasing userbase...they don't expect to be handed users...usually their marketing is limited to free samples...seems to work well for them

Also correct. And hilarious.

Crypto Kong20:23:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike new projects like this using the bitshares blockchain excite me more than dex stuff

Crypto Kong20:23:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I would rather see a growing diverse ecosystem than focus on dex

$torm20:24:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

🍆💦😂

Crypto Kong20:24:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

$torm

and for bitshares to pump 500x in 3 days

When moon?

$torm20:24:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wait is bitshares starting a drug cartel?

Crypto Kong20:24:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

$torm20:24:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

does the SEC know?

Mike Jefferson220:25:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

let's see how quickly bitshares will be back compared to other exchanges with the lack of user base growth. Let's see once DEX/BTS will still have a liquidity issue if projects will choose eos over dex.

Alex M - clockwork20:25:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

$torm

does the SEC know?

Their idea

Alex M - clockwork20:25:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

This may be a very controversial statement

Crypto Kong20:25:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

$torm

wait is bitshares starting a drug cartel?

Decentralised drug cartel, tokenised crack with market pegged assets.

Alex M - clockwork20:25:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

But dexs are doomed in the long run

$torm20:26:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bitmex is currently the biggest drug cartel on earth

Alex M - clockwork20:26:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

IF/when we get extended mainstream adoption for crypto

$torm20:26:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

they launder a lot of money through there

Alex M - clockwork20:26:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dexs won't cut it...too slow

Crypto Kong20:26:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

But dexs are doomed in the long run

I dunno bout doomed but certainly face a lot of problems

$torm20:26:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

arthur hayes is thw 21st century escobar

Mike Jefferson220:27:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

keep focusing on technical part......keep lacking on mass adoption. Every major exchange is preparing to get their market cut for the next wave just bitshares is doing nothing

Mike Jefferson220:28:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you clearly will be the winner in the next wave

$torm20:29:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

idk man, bitcoin looks very dumpy

$torm20:29:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

we head to 3k, thats when the perf opp to buy bitshares willl be

$torm20:29:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

thats where area 51 is buying too

Kristin Low20:30:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

Dexs won't cut it...too slow

I'm disagreeing. I don't think speed will be the factor to optimise for. Performance, yes - but the world we are heading into will mean that performance = some sort of neat equilibrium between speed and ability to transact in spite of aggressive gov't enforcement. People will seek the fastest and most secure services in the context of their indestructability.

Mike Jefferson220:30:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

lol

Mike Jefferson220:30:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

people are sheeps

Mike Jefferson220:31:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

moving where the majority is moving

Alex M - clockwork20:31:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

widespread mass adoption means no aggressive government enforcement

Kristin Low20:31:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

people are sheeps

Baa.

Alex M - clockwork20:31:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

embrace and conquer

Kristin Low20:31:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

widespread mass adoption means no aggressive government enforcement

Facebook disagrees.

Mike Jefferson220:31:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If you think people will make their decission based on technical data you are wrong

$torm20:31:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i am a former employee at area 51

Mike Jefferson220:31:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

maybe 5%

$torm20:32:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

trust me they are accumulating bitshares

Mike Jefferson220:32:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the rest 95% of people are moving behind the mass

Mike Jefferson220:33:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Its a known fact about followers

Mike Jefferson220:34:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

a good example whatsapp

Mike Jefferson220:35:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

its being known to many peoples they are selling your data and are not secure at all

Mike Jefferson220:35:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and still they are using it.When asked why because everyone else is using it

Mike Jefferson220:35:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and you think there will be a diffrence between Binance and Bitshares ?

Mike Jefferson220:35:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and to cryptokong Binance will also have their own blockchain

Mike Jefferson220:36:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so i will love to see which companies are going to chose Bitshares DEX over Binance DEX

Mike Jefferson220:36:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

at current situation

funkit20:37:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

OK, Mike. I have had enough of your FUD. Either you leave voluntarily and work on your proposal or I'm going to force you out. OK?

Mike Jefferson220:38:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

When you show me the FUD i will leave

Mike Jefferson220:38:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

there is a diffrence between FUD and Facts

Alex M - clockwork20:39:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i dont think your statements are FUD

Alex M - clockwork20:40:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but i wouldnt call them facts either....unless backed by research and questionnaires of what others think/see with bitshares etc

Alex M - clockwork20:40:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so at this stage they're (perfectly valid) opinions

Alex M - clockwork20:41:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

many I agree on (even if I dont agree on what the solutions or reasons are)

Alex M - clockwork20:42:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but fwiw....you doom and gloom attitude and total resentment for the governance system combined with accusations of selfish interests on people who work their butt off for this platform

Alex M - clockwork20:42:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

in a public forum

Alex M - clockwork20:42:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

is doing much more damage than a few UI bugs for example

Alex M - clockwork20:43:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@funkit please unrestrict mike

funkit20:44:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Why? I disagree. You may do as you wish, but I had enough.

Kristin Low20:44:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Why? I disagree. You may do as you wish, but I had enough.

Me too. Its monotonous and devoid any impetus towards an outcome.

Alex M - clockwork20:45:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i can understand why...but disagreement is not enough reason while he's staying (barely) within the rules...

Alex M - clockwork20:45:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

switch on some music on youtube for a bit ...come back later

funkit20:45:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Unfunded fear mongering is >FUD. Period.

Alex M - clockwork20:47:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

Unfunded fear mongering is >FUD. Period.

i'll admit ...very very close...but within the range of valid opinion

Alex M - clockwork20:47:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wish he could chime in on the postives sometimes

funkit20:48:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

My vote is that he can write his proposal, come back after a month and present it. Then my restriction has seized

funkit20:48:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Feel free to overrule, I think it is fair.

Alex M - clockwork20:53:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

well

Alex M - clockwork20:53:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

someone else overruled

Alex M - clockwork20:53:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so whatever

Alex M - clockwork20:54:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork20:54:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

our overlord

funkit20:54:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I watched most of the bullshit and god I wish I had not wasted that time.

Alex M - clockwork20:55:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funkit

I watched most of the bullshit and god I wish I had not wasted that time.

you shouldnt have

Alex M - clockwork20:55:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

as I said... time to do something else in those cases...i do it often

Mike Jefferson220:55:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

where was the fud spreading false info ?

Mike Jefferson220:56:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i doubt i will get any answer from you

Alex M - clockwork20:56:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

where was the fud spreading false info ?

leave it

funkit20:56:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Unfunded fear mongering is FUD.

Alex M - clockwork20:56:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

i doubt i will get any answer from you

probably.so dont ask

Mike Jefferson220:56:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

If he accuses me i want to be able to defend myself

Alex M - clockwork20:57:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

@funkit do something else for a bit

Alex M - clockwork20:57:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i'll go walk my dog

Alex M - clockwork20:57:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike room's yours ...enjoy

Mike Jefferson220:58:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

like i thought. Here your own rules 4. No FUD! (don't spread fear, uncertainty and doubt)

funkit20:58:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Yes I should focus on my investment vheicle

Denis21:10:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

hey guys

Denis21:11:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

is there some sort of comprehensive manual, which describes in details tokenomics and all functionality of bitshares?

Alex M - clockwork21:11:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

How.bitshares.works

Alex M - clockwork21:11:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

And

Alex M - clockwork21:11:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Dev.bitshares.works

Alex M - clockwork21:12:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also feel free to ask if you have something specific in mind

Carsten21:28:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so is there now manipulation and we’re all being fcked over by the private room?

Carsten21:28:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

tldr

funkit21:29:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

No, thats in your head, Carsten. Or in the government. 😉

Carsten21:29:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

damn

Alex M - clockwork21:29:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

this is cxrypto...wouldnt have it any other way

Alex M - clockwork21:30:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

lol (in case anyone misses the joke)

Carsten21:30:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

didn’t help

Carsten21:32:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and where are the drug cartels?

Alex M - clockwork21:33:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

and where are the drug cartels?

colombia usually

Carsten21:33:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

fckin decentralization

Alex M - clockwork21:34:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

a decentralized drug cartel sounds like an exceptionally bad idea to be honest

Carsten21:35:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

mja... only half the fun without a lord

Carsten21:38:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

so i will love to see which companies are going to chose Bitshares DEX over Binance DEX

decentralized crypto banks for the people

Mike Jefferson221:42:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funny you guys have such big mouths

Mike Jefferson221:42:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but clearly no action on important topics

Mike Jefferson221:42:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just again spending money for rightbtc a fake volume exchange

Mike Jefferson221:42:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

to get bitassets listed

Mike Jefferson221:42:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

by eric gu

Mike Jefferson221:42:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what i read on bitsharestalk

Mike Jefferson221:43:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

why is noone of you talking about it ?

Mike Jefferson221:43:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you got to much money to spend ?

Mike Jefferson221:44:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You guys are so smart so why is there no public discussion of that witness of bitshares? "I stopped my USD feed when USD feed manipulation started, despite xeroc and others being very direct in saying experimentation on that bitasset was dangerous and should wait for the MCR fix. Nevertheless, many witnesses decided to start playing around with BitUSD despite admonitions and the dangers."

Mike Jefferson221:45:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

silence ?!?

Mike Jefferson221:47:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

You guys are so smart so why is there no public discussion of what that witness of bitshares wrote? "I stopped my USD feed when USD feed manipulation started, despite xeroc and others being very direct in saying experimentation on that bitasset was dangerous and should wait for the MCR fix. Nevertheless, many witnesses decided to start playing around with BitUSD despite admonitions and the dangers."

Looks like a real consensus to me

Mike Jefferson221:48:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

people,proxies and witnesses demanding transparency and the rest moving forward without any public discussion

Mike Jefferson221:50:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

how many abuses have we seen in the past starting with the OMO fund ?

Mike Jefferson221:56:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you wanna get your coin listed at top 50 exchange ?Just tell me i can get your based on CMC these exchanges.They are all fake volume but who cares

Mike Jefferson221:57:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sistemkoin rank 39

Mike Jefferson221:57:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just takes 2 BTC

Mike Jefferson221:57:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

95% fake volune

Mike Jefferson221:57:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

no problem

Mike Jefferson221:57:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

RightBTC no problem

Mike Jefferson221:57:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cointiger no Problem

Mike Jefferson221:58:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Just got 3 days ago a special offer from IDAX rank 10

Mike Jefferson221:58:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

HitBTC takes 18 BTC

Mike Jefferson221:58:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BiBox

Mike Jefferson221:59:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

you want them ?You can get them quickly

Mike Jefferson221:59:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but i highly doubt it will bring any benefit

Slavi La Libertad21:59:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Suggest kraken, coinbase or bitfinex. :)

Mike Jefferson221:59:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

these won't take bitassets

Mike Jefferson221:59:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson222:00:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

9M BTS what a waste

Mike Jefferson222:00:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

for these kind of exchanges

Mike Jefferson222:01:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

funny thing is even the owner of RightBTC eric gu openly commented that RightBTC is a shit exchange

Mike Jefferson222:12:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

support of rightbtc is Betty Zhang.Wife of Steve Zhang who is/was director of Zengold

Mike Jefferson222:12:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

which is now being sued

Mike Jefferson222:12:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

good choices

Crypto Kong22:12:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what has rightbtc got to do with bitshares?

Mike Jefferson222:15:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bitshares is going to pay rightbtc to list bitassets a nice amount of bounty and the worker who closed the deal

Mathew22:15:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Kristin_Spark

Just scrolled through - lots of decent posts raised but just grabbed this one as a one that underlines it. Mike do some stuff and get people behind you, it's easy to just angrily shit talk. Get a proposal for marketing together, put yourself forwards as a proxy etc etc

Mike Jefferson222:15:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

they are paying for each of these scam exchanges a nice bounty

Mathew22:16:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I've just read through all your posts Mike and it's a broken record. There's lots to be disatisfied with or to think 'this could be better' - the beauty of decentralisation is you can make it better

Mathew22:17:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lots of people think it would be good to have a few more strong proxies

Mike Jefferson222:17:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Mathew would it be 2017 i would do it but we are already in next of 2018.The start of mass adoption is starting soon and getting the amount of votes which a few proxies control is not possible to gain

Mathew22:17:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lots of people have concerns over the feed / settlement discussuons

Mike Jefferson222:18:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I really try hard to change direction to prepare for mass adoption but it also contains the willingess of big proxies

Mathew22:18:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Mathew would it be 2017 i would do it but we are already in end of 2018.The start of mass adoption is starting soon and getting the amount of votes which a few proxies control is not possible to gain

More fool us for not being in earlier is my view but I do think we are still early adopters and we can have a huge impact

Mike Jefferson222:18:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and what i have seen its not given

Mathew22:18:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Get a decent proposal together for marketing and I am sure it would get through

Mathew22:19:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Everyone knows that is needed

Stefan22:19:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

bitshares is going to pay rightbtc to list bitassets a nice amount of bounty and the worker who closed the deal

The bounty proposal is targetting the lobbyist. Listing fees are not paid on top of that

Mathew22:19:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

We had a good chat today about getting an RFP or something together to get a decent marketing firm on board, take a lead on that

Mike Jefferson222:19:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

The bounty proposal is targetting the lobbyist. Listing fees are not paid on top of that. And also only if they add bitasset as base pairing

yes they will be paid extra

Stefan22:20:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

yes they will be paid extra

Where in the proposal do you see that?

Mike Jefferson222:20:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

one sec

Crypto Kong22:25:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

they are paying for each of these scam exchanges a nice bounty

Whos paying them and with what funds?

Mike Jefferson222:27:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

Where in the proposal do you see that?

You where right its just bounty.Bitcrab said people need to open new proposals to get the listing fee funded which is ok for him.

Mike Jefferson222:27:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

"this worker is to pay for what the lobbyist had done for listing, I feel the lobbyist may need to open other worker proposal to pay exchange the listing fee. to me it is OK for a top50 CEX charge 8 BTC to list BTS, open bitCNY and bitUSD market with more than 3 pairs for each."

Mike Jefferson222:28:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it was also mentioned on that topic by two other known members

Mike Jefferson222:28:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Whos paying them and with what funds?

reserve fund

Mike Jefferson222:28:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

for bounty

Mike Jefferson222:28:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

and new proposal for listing fee's

Mike Jefferson222:30:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm really asking myself how bitcrab can approve something like that.LaToken has last month so massivly spammed each and every coin to get listed there for a listing fee and their volume is clearly massiv fake

Mike Jefferson222:30:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

just because its top 50 in cmc

Stefan22:34:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

I see in the very beginning it must be a base pair, not just listed.

Mike Jefferson222:34:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

sschiessl

I see in the very beginning it must be a base pair, not just listed.

yes for 3 pairs

Mike Jefferson222:36:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Sistemkoin rank 29 has also a custome base pair.Turkish lira since it's a turkish based exchange.You wanna have a look what kind of volume it has?

Mathew22:37:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Mike this is why anyway putting forward a worker would do due diligence beforehand

Mathew22:38:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

This comes back to the same thing that you should get involved and do something

Mike Jefferson222:38:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

rightbtc rank 22 .ETH/BTC volume 66 869 509 .Go put an order there and watch how long it takes to get filled and tell me why there are 95% of orders always between the highest buy order and lowest sell order being executed ....... 😁washtrading arround 85-95%

Mathew22:39:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I am actually involved in some of the exchange discussions and can assure you nobody wants to see us wasting funds on a BS listing with faked volume - it wouldnt make the people putting the worker forward look good and it would do Bitshares any favours

Mathew22:41:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's a decentralised community - I agree there are some massive holders / proxies but you can get involved, put forward views and get some consensus behind them

Mathew22:42:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Getting a $100k worker approved is a very real possibility if you decided you wanted to - could you do that with binance or ripple?

Mathew22:42:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's a strength and a weakness decentralisation - well succeed if enough people step up and do something

Mathew22:45:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's actually late here and I've got work in the morning but would be happy to coordinate with you on drafting something for marketing and I'm sure a lot of others would too. Similarly good to collect views on which CEXs we think are good and which ones are maybe questionable (this is important to an ongoing discussion on witness feed prices as well) so get involved and help improve things.

Mike Jefferson222:45:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i don't run a company so i doubt it would get approved however i would also only put my work and love into something i support.Bitshares was my dream project but i can't agree on 2 topics which won't change soon. 1.BSIP42 2.Majority of power being hold in a few hands. The question for me is is there a possibility to change it if i would stay or is it more realistic to leave and watch for a similar project which had the old values i loved about bitshares

Mathew22:49:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

I think we have to reach some conclusion on (1) in the coming months and get a strategy in place that means smartcoins are robust and stable in the long term - this 90% drop has been a massive stress test for bitUSD/CNY let's learn from it. On (2)... I agree it would be good to see some more strong proxies work their way up and hopefully we'll improve how voting is displayed / done - the dream is all holders engage and vote themselves!

Mathew22:51:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm heading to bed now but will check in tomorrow morning - I'm really keen to see a few people come together on a marketing worker so I'd love to see something happen on that. I'm sure it would have a lot of community support.

Mike Jefferson222:51:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

wish you a nice rest

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Mike Jefferson2

but clearly no action on important topics

i’m just a user like yourself... not even anymore really lo... and as you said, you also just have a big mouth and don’t take any action

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Brian00:24:55 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Anyone ever use use Easydex to buy bitshares before?

Almond Rocca00:51:07 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

what is BSIP42?

Almond Rocca00:54:59 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

ok i found it- https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0042.md

Almond Rocca00:55:28 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what is the main problem? the black swan, lack of liquidity issue? or the peg following?

Almond Rocca00:59:31 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if liquidity is an issue, its coming. if the peg is the issue, well i see it much worse on cex and in cases like tether. there’s still more community opportunity and support on bitshares than on things like gdax or bitfinex, these are all locked to the big boys. the community cant have a say in the direction of development or a vote. if they want to wash trade they can do it all day and not even blink an eye nor do they even provide any protection funds that are hacked

FarmerD03:07:48 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

carstennn

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FarmerD03:10:05 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

FarmerD

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Lol, translated from spam-drunk-speak: Yes I do belive that DL is working on this as we speak.

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Alex M - clockwork07:14:37 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Deniz Budak

Hello, I forgot my password.

remember this part when creating your account?

Crypto Kong07:17:35 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bidie1

Anyone ever use use Easydex to buy bitshares before?

Yep ive depositted fiat 3 times with no probs

Mathew08:11:59 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bidie1

Anyone ever use use Easydex to buy bitshares before?

Yeah twice, including one time where it was a months wage so fair to say I trust them 😅

Alex M - clockwork08:41:37 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

appropriate?

Mathew08:42:30 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Disappointingly appropriate.

Crypto Kong08:44:57 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

spirit absolute08:57:55 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Lol

Well, trader, who will save the bitshares? how many bts sold for all the time? :)

spirit absolute08:58:32 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

You said we need a lower price to buy more. I remember it! ;)

Crypto Kong09:06:17 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol well i think ive bought enough now, if i keep buying my mrs will kill me 😂

Mike Jefferson209:06:51 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

price will go further down.No need to buy now

Mike Jefferson209:07:59 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

first threads coming https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27414.msg324498;topicseen#msg324498

Mike Jefferson209:08:37 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

BTS losing trust of a lot of people. Nobody can tell me this wasn't predictable

Mike Jefferson209:09:43 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Also how activ the forum got today

spirit absolute09:10:04 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

it's not true, and you're a troll! ;)

Mike Jefferson209:10:06 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

chickens running now and looking for new solutions to save their collateral

Mike Jefferson209:11:25 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

what i can predict is that bitcrab is going to lose his power on bitshares if he doesn't push another manipulation to safe his collateral

Crypto Kong09:12:24 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hardly any of the called collateral will get eaten, always the way.

Crypto Kong09:13:13 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

The new rules improved things on little dips but when massive margin walls build up on big drops loads of sell orders end up infront of it

spirit absolute09:13:28 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

what i can predict is that bitcrab is going to lose his power on bitshares if he doesn't push another manipulation to safe his collateral

I already heard this whining. You did nothing, but Bitcrab did a lot. He has more money, he risks more, he has more rights. ;)

Mike Jefferson209:13:31 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

current price manipulation on bitcny is 20%

Mike Jefferson209:13:50 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if this falls away what will be the lowest CR ?

Crypto Kong09:15:53 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

Create an account

Mike Jefferson209:16:15 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the thread is extremly activ in the chinese community : "Dynamic adjustment of minimum mortgage rate requirements and burst punishment"

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:16:17 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Create an account

I have one. Just never seen that message before

Crypto Kong09:16:37 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Alex M - clockwork09:16:40 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

I have one. Just never seen that message before

some carpet IP bans i think...

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:17:51 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Similar to a conversation in here earlier today: https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/9ybba1/scaling_blockchain_2018_panel_discussion_mass/

Mike Jefferson209:18:15 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i bet we will get soon the proposal to go CR lower than 1

Alex M - clockwork09:18:27 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

i bet we will get soon the proposal to go CR lower than 1

can't

Alex M - clockwork09:18:33 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so stop it

Mike Jefferson209:18:40 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

let's see

Alex M - clockwork09:18:47 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that's a consensus change

Mike Jefferson209:19:08 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

bitcrab already started discussing about it

Slavi La Libertad09:20:19 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

first threads coming https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27414.msg324498;topicseen#msg324498

Somebody who is registered a week ago...

Mathew09:21:12 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom

I have one. Just never seen that message before

Yeah that's weird - you can generally view everything as a guest

Mathew09:21:45 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

current price manipulation on bitcny is 20%

Shouldn't be - can you post a couple of screenshots to confirm? (Ie price on Dex and actual price)

Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:21:48 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Yeah that's weird - you can generally view everything as a guest

Exactly...

Mike Jefferson209:23:32 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

current price is 0.44 and feedprice is over 0.51

Mike Jefferson209:44:47 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wow the chinese community going crazy about bitcrab and feed price manipulation

Mike Jefferson209:45:01 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i guess he lost the support of majority chinese people

Mike Jefferson209:46:55 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

This fight will be interresting and pointing the way of bitshares future

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Mike Jefferson210:05:14 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Am reading the chinese community.Wow big trust lost on BTS. Asking for black swan or comparing BTS with dead coins and giving the feed price manipulation the fault that BTS can't raise.

Mathew10:07:03 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

Am reading the chinese community.Wow big trust lost on BTS. Asking for black swan or comparing BTS with dead coins and giving the feed price manipulation the fault that BTS can't raise.

Whereabouts?

Mike Jefferson210:07:12 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

diffrent sources

Mike Jefferson210:07:28 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

forum.weibo,qq

Mathew10:10:36 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I'm getting a bit of a feeling your main purpose here is just to FUD to be honest Mike. I just took a look at the forum and there's no explosion of discussion on this that I can see.

Mike Jefferson210:11:26 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26315.975 read the last 2 pages

Mike Jefferson210:13:56 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

"I go. I think it is still necessary to let the BTS return to zero as soon as possible."

Mike Jefferson210:14:43 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

" Before there is no better formula, you should stop the feed price adjustment immediately! Otherwise the market will make you hard to see! The outer disk is smashed, the inner disk is higher than the outer disk, and then the feed price is fed back, so it has been going on like this, and it is too simple to go short! BTS has come to the present, we must admit it! Feedback feedback is a failure, and accepting an error can correct the error."

Mike Jefferson210:15:02 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

i won't continue since i don't want to get restricted here

Mike Jefferson210:15:32 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but just 2 examples of a lot of thes comments and on weibo they are way more directly than on the forum

fav10:20:09 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Well you don't need a smartcoin if you don't want it to act smart

Stefan10:20:32 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Well you don't need a smartcoin if you don't want it to act smart

Quote of the day, lol

Mathew10:25:17 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26315.975 read the last 2 pages

Cheers, hadn't seen that. Having a flick through as best as Google translate will let me.

Mathew10:26:13 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

favdesu

Well you don't need a smartcoin if you don't want it to act smart

With gems like that we can start our own Bitshares Fortune cookie range of BTS crashes

fav10:45:35 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Pay me first

Mathew10:47:03 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Another good one. These things are going to sell really well.

Crypto Kong10:49:30 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

fav11:01:21 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Rename stable to staple and make it backed by lambo horse power

JonnyB12:40:06 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

$0.06 it's the future

JonnyB12:42:05 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Force settle your stablecoin for a 20% loss that you never agreed to. Revolutionary.

JonnyB12:44:11 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Stablecoins as Stable as bitcrabs current point of view.

JonnyB12:44:16 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Smart contracts soo smart the contract changes after you've signed it.

Crypto Kong12:46:22 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

Crypto Kong12:46:33 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Pretty good sumary to be fair

Mathew12:48:40 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

Force settle your stablecoin for a 20% loss that you never agreed to. Revolutionary.

Is this in place?

JonnyB12:49:20 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Via manipulation of feeds (bsip42) yes

Stefan12:49:21 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

matle85

Is this in place?

Roughly, yes

Mathew12:49:54 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Sigh

JonnyB12:51:55 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitcrab needs to add to his collateral. But instead he changes the rules so he doesn't have to.

Mathew12:52:17 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What is spring team?

Mathew12:52:58 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

Bitcrab needs to add to his collateral. But instead he changes the rules so he doesn't have to.

The margins aren't clearing and I think we have lower to go. This isn't the best.

Lucy Vera12:53:20 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hello everyone what’s good today

JonnyB12:53:25 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Nothing

R12:53:28 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

Bitcrab needs to add to his collateral. But instead he changes the rules so he doesn't have to.

Vote with your money and use different bitassets then, or get on the committee to prevent rule change

Mathew12:54:54 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Not a huge amount we can do at the minute to help the situation... 🤔

JonnyB12:55:24 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Why would I use a different smartcoin when the rules can change.

R12:56:03 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

Why would I use a different smartcoin when the rules can change.

Because other smartcoins have surrendered flags/permissions making them more trustless

Stefan12:56:34 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

I dislike the situation as well. For some numbers over the last six months (Credits to @clockworkgr): - USD: Total of 78 force settlements, totalling to 9,403 USD - CNY: Total of 260 force settlements, totalling to 1,350,330 CNY (~194k USD)

Alex M - clockwork12:59:20 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

surprised at CNY to be honest considering the 5% offset

Yuri maclister12:59:29 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hello

Alex M - clockwork12:59:32 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

quick look sees them bunched together

Alex M - clockwork13:00:08 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

my guess is at times when dex price is leading CEX so probably due to manipulation (which is what brought on the 5% offset in the first place)

Alex M - clockwork13:00:24 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

still...interesting numbers

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JonnyB13:01:44 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Force settlements are the trustless peg.

Stefan13:02:31 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

Force settlements are the trustless peg.

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JonnyB13:03:42 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

It's hard to calculate lots of things when the feed price isn't true

Crypto Kong13:04:34 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

What will it take for this experiment to be deemed a failure and end?

Mathew13:04:37 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

my guess is at times when dex price is leading CEX so probably due to manipulation (which is what brought on the 5% offset in the first place)

Can you expand in that?

Alex M - clockwork13:05:02 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

if i'm reading github correctly mcr fix is almost done...so hopefully will be pushed out soon so we can get it over with

Mike Jefferson213:05:13 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

that google tanslation made my day "Cancer Source Water Foundation Board of Directors Management Accounts All storms, what should I do?"

Alex M - clockwork13:05:18 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

What will it take for this experiment to be deemed a failure and end?

technically , if we DONT GS its probably a success...

Alex M - clockwork13:05:31 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

a very weird lookign one

JonnyB13:05:49 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Not sure dynamic/variable MCR is the answer either tbh

Alex M - clockwork13:06:19 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mylimbsarelong

Not sure dynamic/variable MCR is the answer either tbh

not sure eitehr....but at least it keeps the settlement true which is important

Mike Jefferson213:07:10 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

What will it take for this experiment to be deemed a failure and end?

I doubt it will happen as the real CR is already at 1.27 .What is going to happen is the attempt to weaken the CR so it can move under 1 .Bitcrab and abit already tried to find support for it

Alex M - clockwork13:07:57 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

I doubt it will happen as the real CR is already at 1.27 .What is going to happen is the attempt to weaken the CR so it can move under 1 .Bitcrab and abit already tried to find support for it

and I told you that is a consensus change and cannot happen just because it was discussed

Alex M - clockwork13:08:20 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

the chain WILL GS the asset at 1

Alex M - clockwork13:08:56 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

so stop trying to push a false narrative

Mike Jefferson213:09:03 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

clockworkgr

the chain WILL GS the asset at 1

killing all existing collateral ?

Crypto Kong13:09:51 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Hope bitcrabs got a few mil fiat or btc stashed away lol

Alex M - clockwork13:09:55 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Mike Jefferson2

killing all existing collateral ?

to the extent of teh settlement yes

Alex M - clockwork13:10:11 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

wont be too bad as both are still over 2x collateralized

Alex M - clockwork13:10:25 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

but ideally it wont happen

Alex M - clockwork13:10:34 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

THATS soemthign we need to find a fix for

Alex M - clockwork13:10:50 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

all suggestions welcome

Mike Jefferson213:11:20 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Hope bitcrabs got a few mil fiat or btc stashed away lol

brother-john is waiting for bitcrabs bts.He has 10 million CNY waiting to enter

JonnyB13:11:29 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Cryptokong123

Hope bitcrabs got a few mil fiat or btc stashed away lol

Me too, whether he will use it to increase his collateral is a different question

JonnyB13:12:22 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Bitcrab is not only a BTS whale but a bitCNY debt whale 🐋

Crypto Kong13:13:16 - 19 Nov 2018 [UTC]

Lol

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