Sunday 18 November 2018

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Thule19:09:17 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Oh I want to know how he became like that and what the procedures are!
I can't tell you i lost the contact with him because the message board got closed by Secret Service
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nutela19:09:45 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thuleeee
I can't tell you i lost the contact with him because the message board got closed by Secret Service
That’s too bad. I DMed you if you don’t mind.
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Sam Mac Peterson19:09:46 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Thule19:09:52 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
what they didn't deleted was a copy of that board in archive.org where you can see how he predicted europe getting flooded with north africa in 2011
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Thule19:10:39 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and that europe is getting flooded has an agenda which will continue in end of 2020/21
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Thule19:12:38 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
after that crypto will be presented as solution linked to an asset to limit q3 to go full virtuall.
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Thule19:13:28 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
china wants to go full virtuall too.China is very strict about money flow control and you belive they will accept uncontrolled solutions when they already implement citizen scores from 2020 ?
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nutela19:13:39 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
What about the weather? How will they use that?
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Thule19:13:48 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
food control
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nutela19:14:03 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thuleeee
food control
With crypto_
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Thule19:14:13 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
no
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Thule19:14:33 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
monsanto has seeds which are resistent against aluminium
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nutela19:14:59 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You don’t know that there’s going to be a solar minimum?
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Thule19:15:01 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
EU is already banning garlic soon
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Thule19:15:24 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
You don’t know that there’s going to be a solar minimum?
what you mean with solar minimum
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Thule19:15:24 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
?
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Thule19:15:49 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
food needing sun to grow?
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nutela19:16:04 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thuleeee
what you mean with solar minimum
I DMed you, I don’t think it’s nice to talk about such things here...
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nutela19:18:21 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I mean not that they aren’t interesting… but if you know about food shortages, how would BitShares help… maybe if we’d use PalmPay...
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Thule19:18:51 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i can tell you my personal agenda
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Thule19:20:23 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
since crypto need to succeed to implement it i'm going to make money out of it and will leave in other assets before going fully virtual which won't lose value in a poor community and which can't be taxed or put negativ interest rate by governments.
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George (Bitspark)20:06:31 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thuleeee
you are clearly not introduced into an agenda as you are in their eyes a nobody
less youtube videos bro and more real life experience necessary here
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Thule20:09:02 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
less youtube videos bro and more real life experience necessary here. Also pls keep on topic about Bitshares in this chat
Please don't comment about real life experience if you don't know me.I would appreciate it since that you don't know about it doesn't mean its not real life experience
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nutela20:10:36 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thuleeee
Please don't comment about real life experience if you don't know me.I would appreciate it since that you don't know about it doesn't mean its not real life experience. Watching your picture it also seems you are very young which won't lead me to say you have a lack of experience
George is the CEO of BitSpark
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Thule20:11:14 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I know who he is and its nothing special to think his experience is bigger than mine
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nutela20:12:29 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thuleeee
I know who he is and its nothing special to think his experience is bigger than mine to educate me
He’s not educating you, why would he. He’s just saying we should talk about BitShares and how it is related perhaps.. Just being nice to each other doesn’t hurt ❤️
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Jane karen20:17:25 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitcoin continues its downward trend today, with its price dipping as low as $5,358. As of press time, the biggest cryptocurrency is down around 4 percent, and is trading at $5,589. In terms of its 7 day outlook, Bitcoin is down almost 14 percent. But could still get good profit from it by investing
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fav20:19:53 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
leave muh bitcoinz alone you bullies
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Mathew21:06:46 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Oh hello there sexy new site https://bitshares.org
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Slavi La Libertad21:13:18 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
Oh hello there sexy new site https://bitshares.org
Not a word about smartcoins there. :(
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Slavi La Libertad21:14:14 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It seems that it's minimalistic as hell to not attract SEC attention. 😄
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Dmitry Mantis21:15:05 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Old one was better, imo
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Dmitry Mantis21:15:14 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
More informative
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Slavi La Libertad21:15:37 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yep.
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Mathew21:15:53 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I like the new one and I think we have to start dividing things out a bit to deal with the incoming SEC shitstorm.
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Mathew21:16:35 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
This one's really clean to get to the GitHub etc, lets you sign up and shares the activity stats.
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Mathew21:16:38 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I like it
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Dmitry Mantis21:16:50 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Making things less informative and more like ICO-without-any-product is might not be the way)
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Dmitry Mantis21:17:25 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
And US is not the world jurisdiction, don;t really understand why decentrilised projects should care about suckers.
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Mathew21:17:30 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I don't think this does make it less informative personally but I was never that big a fan of the old one
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Mathew21:17:45 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
So maybe I'm missing some benefits of it
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Dmitry Mantis21:17:46 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
There are at least Russia and China.
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George (Bitspark)21:18:14 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
Oh hello there sexy new site https://bitshares.org
Broken link to DEX on website https://bitshares.org/wallet/
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George (Bitspark)21:18:32 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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George (Bitspark)21:19:12 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
There is mention of smartcoins on the website but it’s not obvious
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Mathew21:20:04 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dmantis
Making things less informative and more like ICO-without-any-product is might not be the way)
Is this less informative? I quite like the click boxes
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Mathew21:20:24 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
There is mention of smartcoins on the website but it’s not obvious
I think we need to go hard on smartcoins over the next 3-4 months
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Mathew21:20:34 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I really think it should be central to our BD drive
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Mathew21:21:51 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It's a joke seeing all these stablecoin posts and a decentralised transparent option with 4 years track record doesn't even feature
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Mathew21:22:10 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
We will rectify that over the coming months
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Kristin Low21:36:32 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dmantis
There are at least Russia and China which citizens don't care about SEC much and can run nodes.
👆👌
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Crypto Kong22:15:13 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
ironandcopper
@Cryptokong123 did you post why you choose BTS part 3 ?
only on pt 2 so far, thats latest one :)
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fractalnode22:17:53 - 15 Nov 2018 [UTC]
does anyone know this guy? does he know what he is doing?
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RC00:26:46 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-economist-steve-hanke-airtm-crypto-stablecoin-venezuela
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:33 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:40 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:43 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:50 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:51 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:52 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:54 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:55 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:57 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:57 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:01:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:02:00 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:02:01 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:02:02 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Shanice Mckenzie, [15.11.18 19:08] Hi! I've been using Coinbase which makes it really easy and safe to buy, sell, and store digital currency (like Bitcoin). I got us $10 each of free Bitcoin when you sign up with my invite link and buy or sell at least $100 of digital currency: https://www.coinbase.com/join/5a0880c57bc13900c20ff2c6?src=android-share BTC_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Faucet_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Faucet_freebot?start=535132764 ETH_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/ETH_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Hourly_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Miner_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Miner_freebot?start=535132764 BTC_Fruit_freebot: https://t.me/BTC_Fruit_freebot?start=535132764
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Shanice Mckenzie01:02:05 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Shanice Mckenzie01:02:09 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Shanice Mckenzie01:02:14 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Omar03:31:33 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Where can I read about "use target collateral ratio" option? What does it do?
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George (Bitspark)03:41:08 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
richcg
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-economist-steve-hanke-airtm-crypto-stablecoin-venezuela
AirTm are doing great and killing it in the Venezuela market.
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RC04:05:25 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
AirTm are doing great and killing it in the Venezuela market.
That means that Bitshares could be doing the same. 🤔
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George (Bitspark)04:15:27 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
richcg
That means that Bitshares could be doing the same. 🤔
agreed. However the price feed data for VEF is difficult, feed publishers on bitshares would need to screenscrape or use some other method for determining price. Because all official prices for VEF are incorrect by a factor of like 10000x. How airtm does it is based on previous history of supply/demand (https://medium.com/airtm/how-airtm-calculates-the-usd-vef-exchange-rate-b9bb63bd1e28). Currencies like Bolivar however would be excellent addition to Bitshares in addition to awareness.
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Bellick Algo04:43:28 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
didnt know they would go erc20 with their usd, i wrote to them recomending bitshares for that purpose a few months ago
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ferv04:51:58 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
http://xrp.amfeed.com/
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octomatic05:12:26 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Interesting fact - on Localbitcoins, Venezuela currency is not listed as VES. it changed a few months back. 2018-11-16T02:16:35.244935 UTC Top 20 LocalBitcoins last 24hr ------------------------------------------- volume_btc RUB 396.963369 CNY 192.406895 USD 187.694488 VES 147.326169
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octomatic05:14:10 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
XE from OpenExchangeRates.org 2018-11-16 05:13:38.301126 Top BTC price premium ------------------------ avg_24h volume_btc xe_rates Price_in_USD currency VES 1572210.76 149.94 65.28 $24085.46
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octomatic05:14:43 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
that's quite a premium in USD if we base the exchange rate off open exchange rates!
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octomatic05:14:54 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
IRR 741009526.38 6.16 42495.43 17437.39
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octomatic05:15:23 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
that's quite a premium in USD if we base the exchange rate off open exchange rates!
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Lafona05:18:57 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I think this might be a good application for bsips 42 type feed. Since we don't know the true feed, adjusting it based on demand is reasonable. If we could get some Venezuelan s on board as vef/bitvef exchangers could use that rate to decide to how to adjust feed.
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Bellick Algo05:21:08 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
that's quite a premium in USD if we base the exchange rate off open exchange rates!
they are probably taking the price in VES, converting and with xe_rates to find the usd value, the actual rate is not 65, its around 270 today
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octomatic05:50:34 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
agreed. However the price feed data for VEF is difficult, feed publishers on bitshares would need to screenscrape or use some other method for determining price. Because all official prices for VEF are incorrect by a factor of like 10000x. How airtm does it is based on previous history of supply/demand (https://medium.com/airtm/how-airtm-calculates-the-usd-vef-exchange-rate-b9bb63bd1e28). Currencies like Bolivar however would be excellent addition to Bitshares in addition to awareness.
nice find.
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octomatic05:53:26 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bellick4
they are probably taking the price in VES and converting with xe_rates to find the usd value, the actual rate is not 65, its around 270 today
no that exchange rate is accurate.
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octomatic05:53:56 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
the Iranian Rial / BTC also at $17k usd equiv
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octomatic05:54:55 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=VES&view=1D
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octomatic05:56:33 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i did the conversion with the raw data from localbitcoins.
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octomatic05:59:00 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
localbitcoins moved from VEF to VES sometimes in late august september.
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octomatic05:59:18 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i have the data files for that too
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funkit06:14:30 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Is there disruption in the network? I can't get account history before yesterday at 10:47 CET for one of my accs. The other ones work ok with a much longer history.
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姜 美欣06:46:18 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/323166 50
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Kristin Low07:43:42 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Loving the coverage of decentralised2018. Props to Ryan on a very well chosen topic - the fact that we have people in our community who can speak meaningfully about decentralised leadership is such a direct signal to the world about the maturity and capability of the technology here. Top stuff, gents.
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Crypto Kong07:48:31 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kristin_Spark
Loving the coverage of decentralised2018. Props to Ryan on a very well chosen topic - the fact that we have people in our community who can speak meaningfully about decentralised leadership is such a direct signal to the world about the maturity and capability of the technology here. Top stuff, gents.
Was there a stream?
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Kristin Low07:49:15 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I'm not sure, just been following on twitter. Would love a stream of someone finds one
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Stefan07:52:14 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hello dear BitShares community, the new release candidate for the BitShares UI is out https://steemit.com/bitshares/@sschiessl/bitshares-ui-release-candidate-181121-20181114t161558963z-post and the UI team is looking for integration testers, preferably non-devs (paid through bounties) https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/2172 Please let me know what you think, and follow the instructions in the issue if you want to participate!
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Stefan07:52:34 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
I'll look if I have time!
Here if you time :)
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Kristin Low08:05:41 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Looking pretty fly. Always getting better every day, thanks for the work, guys.
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Alex M - clockwork08:06:44 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Roger ver has brought along skimpily clad Asian girls in Bitcoin cash crop tops
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Alex M - clockwork08:07:00 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
THAT s how you do marketing
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Crypto Kong08:25:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Worker proposal to get alex some hoes delivered
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Kevin08:26:21 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
Worker proposal to get alex some hoes delivered
I've vote for that.
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Crypto Kong08:26:26 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Lol
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Kevin08:26:40 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Maybe even throw in a boat.
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Crypto Kong08:27:29 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hahaha
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funkit08:32:38 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Really...???
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Kevin08:38:14 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It was a joke.
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Crypto Kong08:39:32 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
No it wasnt
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Crypto Kong08:39:35 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
😂
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Kevin08:40:06 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You're right, it wasn't.
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Crypto Kong08:40:25 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Lol
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fav08:50:20 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kimchiking
Rekt
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fav08:51:38 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ver is the biggest hoe in crypto, like the shit attracting flies
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funkit08:54:11 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
what's the url to the open ledger explorer?
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Alex M - clockwork09:03:36 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
favdesu
Ver is the biggest hoe in crypto, like the shit attracting flies
Want me to tell him something?
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Alex M - clockwork09:03:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I can call him the Charles hoskinson of Bitcoin...see how he takes it
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Ronny Boesing09:04:44 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
funkit
what's the url to the open ledger explorer?
https://bitsharescan.com
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funkit09:05:16 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Thanks Ronny
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funkit09:13:29 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
For some reason Bitsharescan shows all my account history, while open-explorer and cryptofresh don't. I almost got a heart attack when I looked it up this morning.
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fav09:18:12 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
I can call him the Charles hoskinson of Bitcoin...see how he takes it
Add bcash to it. And film, I'll pay
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水 榕润09:40:50 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/323166 81
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JonnyB09:46:07 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i hate the term "industrial grade" it means nothing
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Slavi La Libertad09:52:42 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Mylimbsarelong
i hate the term "industrial grade" it means nothing
It means something, but I still do not understand. 😏
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Alex M - clockwork09:54:08 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Mylimbsarelong
i hate the term "industrial grade" it means nothing
It's silly marketing speak...
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Alex M - clockwork09:54:17 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It's working though
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JonnyB09:55:23 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Industrial-grade is a term used to denote larger size, toughness and resilience. An example: a bulldozer is an industrial-grade form of a shovel.
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Alex M - clockwork09:59:03 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Well
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Alex M - clockwork09:59:08 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
There you go
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Alex M - clockwork09:59:17 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I'd argue that applies
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Alex M - clockwork09:59:38 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
We are longer/faster/better featured etc.
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Alex M - clockwork10:00:17 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It's not great...but it does mostly convey what we want
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Crypto Kong10:04:07 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I like it. Its a catchy and its good marketing. Differentiates us from being just another blockchain
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Crypto Kong10:05:00 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Like alex says... we can handle more load than majority of other blockchains so id say its perfectly suitable.
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Crypto Kong10:05:22 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
But... id be very intetested in other descriptions?
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Alex M - clockwork10:07:39 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
But... id be very interested in other descriptions?
same...i just needed something for out promo material here
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JonnyB10:08:52 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
old website said: BitShares, your share in the decentralized exchange
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JonnyB10:09:12 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
actually describes what it is
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Alex M - clockwork10:12:10 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
A) BitShares platform != Dex
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Alex M - clockwork10:12:30 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
B) using "share" is a no-no
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Ronny Boesing10:13:32 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
not correct, BitShares as the ecosystem and blockchain is ok, but as currency it needs bts
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Crypto Kong10:13:49 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Agreed
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Crypto Kong10:15:48 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
IMO BitShares is not in the dictionary so cant really be classed as calling something a "share" (although im not a lawyer) but the "your share in a decentralised exchange" opens us up for trouble
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Ronny Boesing10:16:47 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yes, it needs no matter what be changed to trading platform and not exchange
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Crypto Kong10:17:18 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Also agreed
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Miguel alvarez Ben10:18:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Make 21% profit in 2 days
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Slavi La Libertad10:20:14 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Decentralized Bank. 😄
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JonnyB10:23:26 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
ronnyb
yes, it needs no matter what be changed to trading platform and not exchange, as legally exchange indicates permissions and licenses. Exchange cannot be used to define a decentralized trdaing platform according to SEC, if it does it becomes problematic.
good point
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JonnyB10:23:54 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
distributed trading protocol
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nutela10:24:13 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Here if you time :)
Thanks, I’ll take a look later today 👍 I’m planning to help out and work on WPS but I have to finish some other stuff first 🤗
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nutela10:29:32 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
favdesu
Add bcash to it. And film, I'll pay
Is there like direct evidence that they are nutcases, best in a video because I’m lazy at reading, enough white papers to read… 😉
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George (Bitspark)11:47:04 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
B) using "share" is a no-no
Why. And don’t say because some country doesn’t like the word because most of us don’t live in said country and give a shit what they think
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Stefan11:48:29 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Why? And don’t say because some country doesn’t like the word because most of us don’t live in said country and give a shit what they think
The owner of the bitshares.org domain is still tangible
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George (Bitspark)11:49:08 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
The owner of the bitshares.org domain is still tangible
They’re not selling anything on that domain
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George (Bitspark)11:49:45 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
If I write the word “shares” on my blog it doesn’t make my blog a security
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Stefan11:51:45 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
If I write the word “shares” on my blog it doesn’t make my blog a security
Can a domain even be a security? 🤣
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George (Bitspark)11:54:01 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Can a domain even be a security?
Probably not so don’t see any issue with the word shares ;)
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Stefan11:54:33 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The new whitepaper and domain need to go hand in hand. It's the general picture you paint that will be recognized. At the end "they" throw everything in the same pot anyways
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fav12:15:54 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I identify my gender as shares
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fav12:16:03 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Am I a security? 😊
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Kristin Low12:17:39 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I do not identify as a security.
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Kristin Low12:17:46 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
So now they can't get me.
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Kristin Low12:17:52 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
That's how it works, right?
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Ryan Josh Altman12:18:33 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitcoin is going bears! Any Btc seller?, Let's negotiate. Pm
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The Spurt12:55:52 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEcZvIQXN4fkdZ6w4g
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Mr. Shobi13:18:00 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Whats the last news about BEOS?
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Mr. Shobi13:21:40 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
I like the new one and I think we have to start dividing things out a bit to deal with the incoming SEC shitstorm.
What storm/ any proof of any talk of bys
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selleverything13:22:49 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
any news that could trigger such a ridiculous downturn?
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selleverything13:25:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
what the heck is going on? anybody see 60 million sell order at 0.53 cny
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Diana M13:27:00 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Holy Damn13:28:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bts game over
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selleverything13:29:18 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
wtf 700 satoshi?
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Mr. Shobi13:39:34 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Holy Damn
bts game over
Nothing like a true believer to start the day
JG
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Mr. Shobi14:10:25 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
selleverythingugot
any news that could trigger such a ridiculous downturn?
Btc went down $1000 due to bch haltingz on exchange because of fork and then other things
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Mr. Shobi14:10:44 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bch was catalyst
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Peters Eme14:13:03 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
http://go.mavsecure.com/3131905920
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evolution14:19:21 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hello! Why on Bitshares DEX in Exchange tab I see this price
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evolution14:20:25 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
but in Dashboard -> Margin Positions this price
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Stefan14:21:10 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I suspect Latest Market Price vs Feed Price
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evolution14:21:39 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
evolution7
what is feed price then?
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Stefan14:38:26 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Please be aware of the source when you read messages from BBF https://steemit.com/bitshares/@bitshares.fdn/the-bitshares-blockchain-foundation-s-public-channels
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Ryan Josh Altman14:38:42 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitcoin is going bears. Anyone willing to sell? PM
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Logan Trevor14:51:30 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hello
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XOV CEO (Official)14:56:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Great new BitShares website 👍
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XOV CEO (Official)14:57:40 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dianacrypt0
Anyone on here interested in Cryptobanking?
Yes we are - it’s our business
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom15:17:29 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
@xeroc In re https://bitshares.org/contact.php
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Fabian Schuh15:18:39 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
not sure how you got there ... but bitshares.org has nothing to do with that `xerocWWW` machine ..
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Fabian Schuh15:18:49 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://www.bitshares.foundation/
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom15:21:27 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
xeroc
not sure how you got there ... but bitshares.org has nothing to do with that xerocWWW machine ..
go to bitshares.org click on contact. Click on Bitshares Blockchain Foundation Official Website link. Click continue anyway (after CA notif). points to open panel
はるか15:22:13 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
missing www vhost?
はるか15:22:45 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
ah the dns is pointing to different places
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Fabian Schuh15:23:08 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I'll look into this
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Peters Eme15:35:30 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Mine your own bitcoin, no deposit required https://get.cryptobrowser.site/3549663
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nutela15:43:37 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
If I write the word “shares” on my blog it doesn’t make my blog a security
I saw your discussion, you guys didn’t point to any laws right? Would you be so kind, I’d like to look into it 👍
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Alex M - clockwork15:44:19 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
40% increase in active accounts/24h today...dunno why
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Thom verbaltech215:47:30 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Do you mean there was a 40% increase in the number of accounts, or 40% of accounts are actively doing something like trading? Could be related to use of bots.
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Alex M - clockwork15:51:21 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The second
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Alex M - clockwork15:51:46 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Still...it was between 10-11k for the last few days
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Alex M - clockwork15:51:54 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Suddenly jumped to 16
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Thom verbaltech215:52:36 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Not terribly surprising to me, with all the crap going on.
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Bruno15:58:37 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Everyone's updating there collateral
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Thom verbaltech216:00:09 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
That's likely at least part of the activity, if not more.
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Mathew16:25:06 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
gasparin_29
Everyone's updating there collateral
👆👆
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Mr. Shobi16:26:14 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Anyone know abt beos (bts and eos) chain combined
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JonnyB16:30:12 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
can someone move BTS back to 90cents please
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Alex M - clockwork16:33:02 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Mylimbsarelong
can someone move BTS back to 90cents please
Will do later...bit busy now
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JonnyB16:33:21 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thanks, no rush
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nutela16:49:03 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Will do later...bit busy now
😂👍
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nutela16:49:19 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Did you have that conference in Athens Alex?
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nutela16:50:34 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Guys can I ask, did anyone use re-shipping services? I’m shipping from USA..
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funkit17:10:25 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Mr. Shobi
Anyone know abt beos (bts and eos) chain combined
Check the whitepaper.
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Stefan17:17:01 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
funkit
Check the whitepaper.
He means please go to @beos channel Shobi
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Mr. Shobi17:17:31 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
He means please go to @officialbeos channel Shobi
Thank you. Did not know one exsisted
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funkit17:20:26 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ah! I forgot. The sect has a secret society to fight for a open internet.
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Jeff17:22:54 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
ronnyb
yes, it needs no matter what be changed to trading platform or similar and not exchange, as legally exchange indicates permissions and licenses. Exchange cannot be used to define a decentralized trdaing platform according to SEC, if it does it becomes problematic.
Function will matter more then what it is called.
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fav17:45:02 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Will do later...bit busy now
Thanks admin
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螃 蟹17:54:18 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It would be wrong to cancel the open market operation vote, and once the open market operation account is forced to liquidate again, it would be a devastating blow to ordinary investors' confidence and would have a terrible knock-on effect.
螃蟹
螃 蟹17:58:16 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
At least we need the money to get out of this crisis.
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Slavi La Libertad18:17:34 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
finnbts
What is the application?
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:20:45 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
memset
What is the application?
https://www.magicw.net/
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Slavi La Libertad18:21:15 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Thanks.
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:27:30 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The magicw team will release an open source hardware wallet supporting BTS BTC EOS ETH in the coming week, as well as a new product called renren gateway.
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:32:02 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
This hardware wallet is a bluetooth 2.0 secure login wallet and is open source and affordable.
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Alfredo Garcia18:34:10 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
finnbts
The magicw team will release an open source hardware wallet supporting BTS BTC EOS ETH in the coming week, as well as a new product called renren gateway.
interesting
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Alfredo Garcia18:34:19 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
can we know more ?
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Alfredo Garcia18:34:34 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
github perhaps ? it is an open source initiative ?
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:38:17 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
oxarbitrage
can we know more ?
I am not a member of the magicw team, if you want to know more, I can convey to the magicw team.
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:42:06 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://gtstoken.com/This is also one of the magicw team's products, which provides a good experience based on BTS and has cny legal coin recharge and withdrawal and fully automatic mortgage robot.
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:42:39 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://gtstoken.com/
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:42:49 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
This is also one of the magicw team's products, which provides a good experience based on BTS and has cny legal coin recharge and withdrawal and fully automatic mortgage robot.
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Mathew18:42:56 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
finnbts
The magicw team will release an open source hardware wallet supporting BTS BTC EOS ETH in the coming week, as well as a new product called renren gateway.
That's great
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Mathew18:47:06 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
finnbts
This is less great - didn't the committee-usdoperator account start working during the bear market?
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螃 蟹18:50:27 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
This is less great - didn't the committee-usdoperator account start working during the bear market?
No, so I think we should restart open market operations to discourage short selling.
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:53:02 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The account is supposed to have a strong relationship with hellobts. He recently emptied BTS, and there's been a lot of talk of them shorting BTS at zb.
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Slavi La Libertad18:55:11 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
finnbts
No, so I think we should restart open market operations to discourage short selling.
What is "restarting open market operations"?
螃蟹
螃 蟹18:55:19 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
With the recent crash, we have to admit that there is some malicious manipulation in the BTS market.
螃蟹
螃 蟹19:01:56 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
memset
What is "restarting open market operations"?
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26107.msg316736#msg316736
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Mathew19:02:14 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
BTC has dropped and alts have followed. BTS is worse hit because so many people are stuck deep in their margins so there a big sell offs.
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Crypto Kong19:07:20 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
40% increase in active accounts/24h today...dunno why
Adjusting margin maybe?
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Crypto Kong19:07:32 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Or getting called etc
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Crypto Kong19:07:57 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ah bruno already said it...
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fav20:00:44 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
can you fucks not talk about price here? much love
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nutela20:10:42 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
favdesu
can you fucks not talk about price here? much love
I have best price for you my frend! 😂
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nutela20:12:05 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://youtu.be/OXYB0u-mVAc
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Dino Devon20:39:33 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
does the pain ever stop
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fav20:59:14 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I can ban you, so you can cry alone
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fav20:59:15 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
?
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nutela22:55:59 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
spammer 👆
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nutela22:56:12 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Good night men!
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Mr. Shobi22:59:32 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
finnbts
The magicw team will release an open source hardware wallet supporting BTS BTC EOS ETH in the coming week, as well as a new product called renren gateway.
Problem is I wont be trusting magicw with my bts
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octomatic23:57:54 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
re: alipay. is this the bitshares alipay account? https://cryptofresh.com/u/alipay-bitcny
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octomatic23:58:11 - 16 Nov 2018 [UTC]
just wondering if anyone has any boots on the ground experience using alipay with bitCNY?
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octomatic00:41:31 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
huh interesting find on AirTM. " Mila and all the AirTM employees fled the country. Venezuela's government is trying to fix its problem by replacing the current money with new money. The plan is to take five zeros off the bills, so if you have 500,000 bolivares, it would just be five. Economists say this won't help with inflation, but it will make money easy to carry again" August 10, 2018
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octomatic00:41:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/637390619/why-trading-venezuela-s-bolivar-for-u-s-dollars-is-dangerous
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Thule00:43:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thats what was done in poland in the 80;s
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Thule00:43:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and it helped against inflation
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octomatic00:44:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yeah and in almost every country its happened
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octomatic00:44:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
people just don't live long enough to remember
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:46:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
But inflation is gettin higher everyday, I'm from and still living in Venezuela @octomatic and @thuleeee
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Bruno00:50:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Its safer to exchange BS to crypto in Venezuela than exchanging for $
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:51:09 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
10 years ago with Chavez the same "economic measure" was made and he called it Bolivar Fuerte (Strong bolivar), turns out inflation just slowed its pace but again we got this as they called Bolivar Soberano (Sovereing bolivar).
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Bruno00:51:48 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jwilhelm87
But inflation is gettin higher everyday, I'm from and still living in Venezuela @octomatic and @thuleeee
Same, I live there on and of for the last 10 years
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Thule00:52:13 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
you got such a high inflation because venezuela is being punished by the US
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:52:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
hahahaha no, inflation is being unstopable since the 80's
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:52:57 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and US sanctions are against people related to the goverment
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Thule00:53:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
why you think its happening ?
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Thule00:53:17 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Chavez was pro BRICS
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Thule00:53:24 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
he needed to be removed
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octomatic00:54:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jwilhelm87
But inflation is gettin higher everyday, I'm from and still living in Venezuela @octomatic and @thuleeee
can you confirm if the VES is being used or some other form of cash in Venezuela right now?
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Thule00:54:25 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
big inflation means that key industry is currently being bought for peanuts by the US investors
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:54:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yes, that VES (Bolivar Soberano) is being used but is scarce
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Bruno00:55:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
More and more people are using the dolar
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Bruno00:55:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I can pay in dollars in most store in Venezuela now
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octomatic00:55:55 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
localbitcoins trades ------------------------ avg_24h volume_btc xe_rates Price_in_USD currency VES 1614870.84 187.89 67.05 $24084.22 IRR 733716087.07 3.08 42494.20 $17266.26
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octomatic00:56:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
does that look right to you?
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:56:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
@thuleeee No, Vzlan goverment owns PDVSA the most important oil company here, and every service company for electricity, water, gas and more that you can imagine
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Bruno00:56:45 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You get a better rate if you exchange using crypto
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Thule00:56:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jwilhelm87
@thuleeee No, Vzlan goverment owns PDVSA the most important oil company here, and every service company for electricity, water, gas and more that you can imagine
:)
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Thule00:57:20 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
belive me the inflation is caused by uncontrolled money flow
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octomatic00:57:21 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
What exchanges are used for P2P trading in Venezuela other than local bitcoins?
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Thule00:57:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
its an old strategy by the US to buy off whole countries
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Thule00:57:41 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
it has been done in russia
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Thule00:57:43 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
argentina
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Bruno00:57:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptoway.io
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Thule00:57:46 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
poland
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:57:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
hahaha no, US has anything to do with it
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octomatic00:57:55 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
paxful? bisq?
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:58:01 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Vzlan goverment is always paranoic with it
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Thule00:58:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and now venezuela as chavez was not allowing uncontrolled USD to come to venezuela
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octomatic00:58:16 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
2018-11-17T00:58:07.145959 UTC Top 20 LocalBitcoins last 24hr ------------------------------------------- volume_btc RUB 458.951598 VES 187.886827 USD 169.127417 COP 110.544649 CNY 100.398247 NGN 95.349455 GBP 71.724815 EUR 71.644848 INR 38.222227 ZAR 21.693988 UAH 21.024034 PEN 20.898889 THB 18.778068 HKD 17.942833 MYR 16.885047 CAD 16.756668 AUD 16.382556 MXN 10.111755 BRL 9.665432 SEK 9.276711
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Thule00:58:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jwilhelm87
hahaha no, US has anything to do with it
If you belive so :)
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:58:43 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
And if the final resolution for that is take that people off the power I support that, most people here are dying for it
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Thule00:58:48 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Watch what will happen with oil price next year
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado00:59:01 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Anything
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Thule00:59:05 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and who will take benefit of venezuelian oil
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Thule01:01:45 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
@Jose which country has officaly the biggest oil reserves in the world ? Once the oil market will get hot next year because of iran you think the US would allow that oil being uncontrolled ?
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Thule01:01:55 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
😂😂😂
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Bruno01:02:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Thule got a point the us won't let Venezuela hand hover the oil to china
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:02:52 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
This counttry has a strong dependency on oil, and they won't do anything to stop that, they will continue with highly elevated public spending to subsidize social programs and services, which are deteriorating more and more.
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octomatic01:02:58 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
so this Precio Unitario is for VES?
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octomatic01:03:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Just wanted to confirm the BS is for Venezuelan Boliviar
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Bruno01:03:18 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
For one btc
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octomatic01:03:26 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yes for 1 btc
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Bruno01:03:27 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
Just wanted to confirm the BS is for Venezuelan Boliviar
Yes
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octomatic01:03:29 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
this is correc?
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octomatic01:03:31 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
ah ok
JW
José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:03:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yes, BS for BOlivar
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octomatic01:03:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
similar price on localbitcoins.com
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octomatic01:03:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
that is crazy. 66 Bolivar = 1 USD?
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Bruno01:04:03 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
290
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octomatic01:04:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
why exchange rate so high listed elsewhere?
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Bruno01:04:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
On LBC you can get around 290 BS for one $
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octomatic01:04:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
is 290 the black market rate?
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Bruno01:04:48 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yes if you use cryoro
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Bruno01:04:52 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Crypto
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:05:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yes, that's because the amount of money circulatingi in the street is inorgaic
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George (Bitspark)01:05:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
is 290 the black market rate?
the black market rate is similar to the bitcoin rate, the main website for venezuelans to see that is https://dolartoday.com/
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Bruno01:06:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You basicly have to buy cash if you want large quantity
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Bruno01:07:14 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
A mean pay a premium
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Bruno01:07:31 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sometime up to double
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Thule01:07:58 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
its a stratetic key point that oil. USA wants to cut russians oil supply and iran's to the EU and India.So they need a source to deliver and fracking in the US won't be able to handle these masses. Also based on governmental stats venezuelas GDP is going to grow heavily till 2025
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octomatic01:08:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
gasparin_29
Sometime up to double
so if i buy large quantity BS, the rate could be as bad as 150 per dollar...
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:09:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
@thuleeee According who? Whith that people this won't
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:09:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Which data supports that?
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Thule01:09:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Its governmental data created by secret services
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Thule01:10:05 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
its logic that GDP will raise when venezuelas oil is going to replace oil from russia and iran
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George (Bitspark)01:10:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
so if i buy large quantity BS, the rate could be as bad as 150 per dollar...
nobody pays anything other than the black market rate
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Bruno01:10:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
so if i buy large quantity BS, the rate could be as bad as 150 per dollar...
Cash is scarce, so you might have to do a bank transfer of 150 BS to get 100 BS in cash bills
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:10:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
US sanctions are against government key people @thuleeee not against the country itself
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:10:54 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
gasparin_29
Cash is scarce, so you might have to do a bank transfer of 150 BS to get 100 BS in cash bills
YEs it is.
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Thule01:11:11 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jwilhelm87
US sanctions are against government key people @thuleeee not against the country itself
sanctions was to open the financial flow gateway to venezuela
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Thule01:11:18 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
you need to understand economics
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Thule01:11:26 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Chavez blocked free money flow from the US
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:11:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
COme here and you will understand btter about economics
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Thule01:11:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
means they couldn't buy key point industry
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Bruno01:12:11 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thuleeee
sanctions was to open the financial flow gateway to venezuela
How does that open the gate
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Thule01:12:22 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and sancations are being used to open these gateways and flood the market with worthless USD and bought the venezuelian companies.Its called privatisation in some countries
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:12:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
And they're are usin it as a personal cash flow, I know people working in PDVSA and they're not even been well paid
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Thule01:12:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jwilhelm87
COme here and you will understand btter about economics
I don't need to come as i experienced the same situation already twice
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Thule01:13:01 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
once in poland and once in russia
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:13:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Privatizatiosn is bad for yoy? If it's going to be a better and afficient way a company works I support that
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Thule01:13:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
lol
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Thule01:13:16 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
you don't understand
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Thule01:13:21 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
the US is not sharing profit
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Thule01:13:25 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
they take everything
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:13:26 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I really understand
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Thule01:13:29 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
giving worthless paper
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Thule01:13:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
you don't
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Thule01:13:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
if you would understand you would realise what it will cause
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Thule01:14:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
why do you think was russia the poor house in the world ?
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Thule01:14:16 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
where UK and US capital bought everything in russia
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Thule01:14:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and even sold russias oil ?
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Thule01:15:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
how does it come that wealth in russia first come back once Putin kicked out UK and USA and declared old contracts as finished?
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Thule01:15:20 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You really belive that US is going to pay a single penny taxes on oil ?
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Thule01:15:38 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
you need to study history how the US works
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:15:55 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I know about history and how US works
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:16:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Why US is still buying Venezuelan oil?
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Thule01:16:20 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Chavez was a big ally with China and Russia
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:16:22 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
And most of the exports are still goin there?
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George (Bitspark)01:16:24 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Please keep chat related to Bitshares in this chat
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:16:29 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I don't see any blocking there
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Thule01:16:54 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
because US gets the oil for free
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:17:04 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Free
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Thule01:17:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
they don't pay a penny in profit
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:17:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
They're paying bro
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Thule01:17:20 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
lol
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Thule01:17:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yeah
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Thule01:17:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
thats why venezuela is so poor
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:17:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
43 % ofthe exports are goin there
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:17:52 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
@George_Bitspark Sorry!
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octomatic01:18:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
anyone make a bitVES on bitshares yet?
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Bruno01:18:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
anyone make a bitVES on bitshares yet?
No point in that
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:18:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Two weeks ago a ship with tons of wheat arrived in the port of my city. It came from Texas, a real block @thule Sorry if I bother
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George (Bitspark)01:19:13 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Restrictions for offtopic chat going nowhere, this is Bitshars DEX chat
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José Antonio Wilhelm Alvarado01:20:16 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Understood
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octomatic01:20:27 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
if you guys want to chat economics, you are welcome on my channel
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octomatic01:20:29 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
just DM me.
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octomatic01:20:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
we'll take it from there.
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octomatic01:20:43 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
now we go back ot dex chat
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Hung Huynh04:45:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
My PC is broken. So I can not login to Bitshare account on the trading platform. Let me ask what to do. thank you
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funkit04:52:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Huynhhung
My PC is broken. So I can not login to Bitshare account on the trading platform. Let me ask what to do. thank you
Do you have your login credentials? You can use them and log in from another pc
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Alexander Bartek04:53:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You could do that
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Hung Huynh05:04:41 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I have login information but can not access
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Alexander Bartek05:05:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Try using it on another pc
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Hung Huynh05:11:05 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I do not know why. My friend says I do not save the file. I do not know how to get my money back
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Lê Đức Hùng05:14:11 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You lose file bin to acces local wallet
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FarmerD05:22:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Huynhhung
My PC is broken. So I can not login to Bitshare account on the trading platform. Let me ask what to do. thank you
Please try here for wallet help @btswallethelp
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Иван Сидоров12:11:19 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Привет, хочу купить крипту
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Slavi La Libertad12:34:04 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
rtyflex
Привет, хочу купить крипту
Hi. Buy BTS.
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Crypto Kong12:49:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/CryptoCoinsNews/status/1063767899322687500?s=19
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Crypto Kong12:49:48 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
"Industrial grade" a good descriptive term, very suitable 👍
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Crypto Kong12:51:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
By the way @sschiessl i think twitter card needs sorting for the bitshares website.
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Crypto Kong12:52:11 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It appears like this when link is posted
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Crypto Kong12:52:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Need an image to show up to look more proffesional
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Mathew12:59:15 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
It appears like this when link is posted
@murda_ra is there a quick fix to this?
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Mathew12:59:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
Need an image to show up to look more proffesional
I posted a screenshot of the site as a follow on
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Slavi La Libertad13:02:14 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Where can we post issues found on bitshares.org website?
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Crypto Kong13:02:38 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/tweets/optimize-with-cards/overview/abouts-cards.html
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Nick13:56:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hey guys, sorry off topic to bitshares, do you think lightning network is the solution to bitcoin's scalability?🤔
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Louis13:57:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi, is there any admin on?
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Crypto Kong13:58:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
Hey guys, sorry off topic to bitshares, do you think lightning network is the solution to bitcoin's scalability?🤔
i think on chain scaling will prove impossible so its a (contribution to the) solution, not "the" solution IMO
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Crypto Kong13:59:15 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
early days yet
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Crypto Kong13:59:46 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and my tech knowledge is nowhere near great enough to do anything other than form an opinion from other peoples opinions
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Nick14:00:09 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
i think on chain scaling will prove impossible so its a (contribution to the) solution, not "the" solution IMO
Prove impossible for?
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Nick14:02:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I just watched this video talking about why bitcoin is probbably failing. He said that currently btc is greatly influenced by a for-profit corp; blockstream. As a effect limiting developments in btc for a more profit opportunity to them.
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Crypto Kong14:04:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
I just watched this video talking about why bitcoin is probbably failing. He said that currently btc is greatly influenced by a for-profit corp; blockstream. As a effect limiting developments in btc for a more profit opportunity to them.
was it paid for by roger ver or CSW?
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Nick14:05:12 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Nah, the video was from decentralized thought been watching their videos seemed very interesting.
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Nick14:05:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It was a youtube channel
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Mathew14:05:54 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
Nah, the video was from decentralized thought been watching their videos seemed very interesting.
The conference? Be cool to see some links
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Nick14:06:15 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://youtu.be/0BZoKH-hX_o
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Nick14:06:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i am not yet allowed to share link let me pm you instead
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Nick14:07:00 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
The conference? Be cool to see some links
i am not yet allowed to share link, let me pm instead.
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Nick14:07:15 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Aw
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Nick14:08:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
The conference? Be cool to see some links
The channel had lots of interesting videos
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Jeroen de Bie 🇳🇱14:15:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Let’s rock the moon today 🤙🏻🚀👨‍🚀
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Nick15:14:05 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Raviteja Adapa
Euro
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Slavi La Libertad15:26:11 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
Euro
bitEUR 😜
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R15:32:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
Hey guys, sorry off topic to bitshares, do you think lightning network is the solution to bitcoin's scalability?🤔
No, on chain scaling is a superior solution than offchain scaling imo
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Nick15:33:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
No, on chain scaling is a superior solution than offchain scaling imo. Bitshares and graphene can do it all on chain, btc needs to catch up!
Cool. I also like yoyr avatar. Its robo hash right
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Nick15:35:40 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
No, on chain scaling is a superior solution than offchain scaling imo. Bitshares and graphene can do it all on chain, btc needs to catch up!
Hahaha, I hope bts will use something like robo hash as an address identifier to wallets. I still find hard to identify what bts uses now,😂
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Slavi La Libertad15:40:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
Hahaha, I hope bts will use something like robo hash as an address identifier to wallets. I still find hard to identify what bts uses now,😂
Haha.. It was used at the beginning. Now it's identicon.
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Nick15:41:42 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
memset
Haha.. It was used at the beginning. Now it's identicon.
Really? We used robohash before?
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Slavi La Libertad15:42:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
Really? We used robohash before?
Yes. So some people still have robohash avatars in bitsharestalk.org and telegram. :)
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Nick15:43:40 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
memset
Yes. So some people still have robohash avatars in bitsharestalk.org and telegram. :)
I see 😂
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Permie15:59:41 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
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Permie16:02:22 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
n1ck0
Euro
Whether bitcoin is "good" or not doesn't take away the fact that the EURO is a spider with each leg pulling in different directions It will break
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Mathew16:14:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Permie
Whether bitcoin is "good" or not doesn't take away the fact that the EURO is a spider with each leg pulling in different directions It will break
Brexit has been distracting from the fundamental issue at the heart of the eurozone - a single currency doesn't work for the mix of countries your time have there.
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Kristin Low16:14:21 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Permie
Whether bitcoin is "good" or not doesn't take away the fact that the EURO is a spider with each leg pulling in different directions It will break
Exactly. The degree which a currency can feasibly exist is also tied to its usefulness in markets. Zimbabwe and Venezuela's currencies still exist, but are practical jokes at this point. I think BTC will do the same to the Euro.
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Crypto Kong16:15:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
euro also has the issue to contend with of the likes of some french and italians not wanting to be in the euro and want their own currency back
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Crypto Kong16:15:57 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i agree it will struggle to survive
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Peters Eme18:00:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://t.me/eubtcbot?start=680378572
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Carsten18:39:58 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kristin_Spark
Exactly. The degree which a currency can feasibly exist is also tied to its usefulness in markets. Zimbabwe and Venezuela's currencies still exist, but are practical jokes at this point. I think BTC will do the same to the Euro.
lol
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Carsten18:42:00 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
euro has issues and may very well fail ... though the issues are not exactly the euro, but the lack of political fundament below... but for sure it won’t fail because of / replaced by btc or any other not-state-issued-crypto
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Carsten18:42:27 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
besides btc would have the exact same issues euro has
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Carsten18:43:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
it also would be one single currency which would be too strong for certain countries with no possibility for them to manipulate it / print more
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Thom verbaltech218:48:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Until `they` can control it to their satisfaction no blockchain tech will be adopted by any government. Once they do, better be prepared to hide your assets somewhere else, or to fight a protracted and likely loosing legal battle.
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Cryptick Cryptick18:50:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
euro has issues and may very well fail ... though the issues are not exactly the euro, but the lack of political fundament below... but for sure it won’t fail because of / replaced by btc or any other not-state-issued-crypto
Yeah. I think the Euro has succeeded. (as a monitary unit) but the politicains, political will, and budgets have failed. This may well lead to the failutre of the rest of the EU. Certainly things are better there now that they were 100 years ago...
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Cryptick Cryptick18:50:53 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Getting politicians to solves things the right way is difficult.
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Carsten18:52:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
right... those politicians use the EU as a scapegoat for their own issues in their own countries.. since decades... now the tipping point is reached where everybody believes that the evil lies in the EU... and admittedly it itself also evolved into many shady directions and deserves much of the criticism
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Carsten18:53:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
but i agree it’s for sure better than 100 years ago... and a union would also be the only way forward in this world.. it just needs to be fixed
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Cryptick Cryptick18:57:09 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
right... those politicians use the EU as a scapegoat for their own issues in their own countries.. since decades... now the tipping point is reached where everybody believes that the evil lies within the EU... and admittedly it itself also evolved into many shady directions and deserves much of the criticism
You know the UK exit vote was close. And had there not been three years of greek financial crisis preceeding with PIGS and a bunch of other financial mismanagment in my opinion as an observer from the other side of the planet. The BREXIT would not have happened. But that is my 2 cents
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Carsten18:58:12 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
it’s also many young british that never would have thought a brexit could happen, and simply didn’t go to vote... now more and more are calling for a 2nd referendum because tw true majority would be against brexit
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Cryptick Cryptick19:01:20 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Losing sides in an election always want a redo. Fortunately we normally get them (in the form or regular elections every two or four years). Interesting the young people have never known a world where there was a different option. (Old people, who have life expereince on woth sides of the issue are in a much better place to give infomred thought on the issue.
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Cryptick Cryptick19:03:40 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I could argue, that until one becomes and "adult", lets just say at age 18, they don't need to care about some things, like interest rates. Well now. There are people -age 28 who have never know real interest rates. (that putting money in a bank actually pays interest.) The Fed policy of free money and ultra low interest rates is changing an entire generation! It is wierd to think about. I mean there are people who never remember the world without facebook.
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Carsten19:04:16 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
To a certain age / degree... or maybe it’s related to the system.. but there are many old people in western europe that are only voting for their retirement check... and that are easily scared and/or influenced, and scared of change and whatever... so it’s difficult to say how well thought through the vote was. also cameron didn’t do any good for the campaign against brexit... the brexit people clearly had the strong campaign
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Carsten19:05:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and due to demographics, many western parties and politicians only care for the topics of the old people to stay in power
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Carsten19:06:25 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
that’s why retirement is always on the agenda... and there are always little gifts to the voters with small increases - which will destroy the system in the long term... and org education and infrastructure constantly falls under the table
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Cryptick Cryptick19:06:55 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Understandable. Even here in USA I find it amazing how ill informed some voters are.
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Carsten19:07:53 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
at least you have some movement... whether that’s good or bad.. it will be overcome and people learn or benefit from it... while here simply nothing changes
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Cryptick Cryptick19:11:38 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
at least you have some movement... whether that’s good or bad.. it will be overcome and people learn or benefit from it... while here simply nothing changes
Someof us don't look to the government for solutions. (In my country one way you might boil down thinking is into two camps. Democratics/socialists/groupsolutions/government is the problems and Republicians/freemarkets/individual action/ government is the problems. Now this is a very broad quick view, but when one looks to the government for soltuions, in my mind that is bad idea...
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Carsten19:12:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yes.. that is the main issue here, i know ... but if anybody from left to right would suggest to eg cut back on the welfare state in western europe, people would go crazy
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Carsten19:13:25 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
they’re blindfolded... they don’t realize how addicted and dependent people became to gov care
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Carsten19:13:41 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
instead of taking matters into their own hands and eg starting a business
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Carsten19:14:53 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
by now it’s anyway almost impossible to start a business in the EU because all the equality shit and demand for laws and regulations and micromanagement caused so many barriers
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Cryptick Cryptick19:15:05 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
instead of taking matters into their own hands and eg starting a business
Yep. Those are challenges here too. We want Jobs.... well go create some.
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Cryptick Cryptick19:15:19 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
We want higher pay... well go be more productive.
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Carsten19:15:28 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
you can’t even go out on the street and sell some food without going through 100 certifications and accordingly pay for it
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Carsten19:16:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
that’s why there’s no street food like in US or china i think... until you collected all the permits to start a business to sell food, you invested so much that you need to run a whole restaurant
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Cryptick Cryptick19:16:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
you can’t even go out on the street and sell some food without going through 100 certifications and accordingly pay for it
On the positive side the food is safe to eat...
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Carsten19:17:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
but that are easy ways to make money.... if i think how much those street food vendors in eg shanghai make... they would be upper middle class in germany
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Carsten19:18:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
but in reality in germany they would need to collect social benefits and live like a homeless
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Cryptick Cryptick19:18:25 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
hmm... never thought of tit that way...
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Peters Eme19:19:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Pm me for bitcoin tips
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Carsten19:19:17 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
because there’s no way to earn money without proper qualification here - and you won’t get those without a functioning life ... i mean there’s no way to get up when your lying on the ground here - except for illegal things ofc...
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Carsten19:19:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and middle class is constrained to stick within the middle class
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Carsten19:19:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
due to taxes and the social benefits they finance for others
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Carsten19:20:01 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and monthly payments (like US)
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Carsten19:23:12 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
hmm... never thought of tit that way...
that’s sth i realized in china... when i wondered why they are constantly improving.. all of them... seemingly without effort... as if europeans were just too lazy or stupid suddenly... but reality is that if i want to do business kn china or US, i can just do it
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Carsten19:24:03 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
in EU i need a lot of upfront investment for compliance... and no bank would give a credit to an unemployed or even entrepreneur
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Carsten19:24:53 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and people feel like you need to be super special or privileged or smart to be able to run a business... because nobody would give you a chance here...
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Cryptick Cryptick19:25:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
That is why people in the USA like free markets. The more regulations you put on markets the less free they are....
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Carsten19:25:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
eg in germany even family would not support you... no matter with what you come up with. society here will tell you “you will fail, there are others doing the same and they are specialists”
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Carsten19:27:09 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
That is why people in the USA like free markets. The more regulations you put on markets the less free they are....
and it’s logical or not? i don’t get people here how they can’t realize it... all successful german companies are created before/during ww2 with cheap labor (jews) and nazi support, or after the war when the country was being rebuilt and there were no regulations
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Cryptick Cryptick19:27:59 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yeah, It is a huge difference in how society support people. I cann't speak much about Europe as my travels there are limited to like 2 weeks. But in Taiwan, every person runs like two or three businesses. Everyone has a side job or two. It might be recycling, or tutoring, or cooking. But then some of these turn into bigger businesses.
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Cryptick Cryptick19:28:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
In India, there are more questions one needs to ask. Are you the right Caste, how will your failure or success reflect on the family and caste?
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Carsten19:28:53 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yes... and they all stick together with family to buy at least 1-2 apartments etc and accumulate wealth over generations
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Cryptick Cryptick19:28:57 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I think this is part of why india has failed to develope as fast as the west....
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Cryptick Cryptick19:29:31 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
America was founded by risk takers... it was all the crazy risk takers that left Europe that built america.
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Carsten19:29:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
here it’s unimaginable... instead they’re discussing since years how they could also introduce now a 100% tax on heritage...
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Cryptick Cryptick19:29:43 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
And we still have a fronteer spirit...
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Cryptick Cryptick19:30:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
here it’s unimaginable... instead they’re discussing since years how they could also introduce now a 100% tax on heritage...
are you in germany?
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Carsten19:30:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
so “all are equal”... which is obviously bs... it takes the last opportunity away from regular people to accumulate wealth
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Carsten19:30:12 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yes
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Cryptick Cryptick19:31:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
so “all are equal”... which is obviously bs... it takes the last opportunity away from regular people to accumulate wealth
Wealth is created by Work and investment (capital). and in the righ circumstances capital makes the work a lot smarter and better. That said, it is challengeing to get people to realize it is easier to grow the pie that worry about how it is cut.
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Carsten19:31:53 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
America was founded by risk takers... it was all the crazy risk takers that left Europe that built america.
might actually be true... that that separated the kinds of people... like i think the cultural revolution in china caused that there are today only very focused people that do everything for an advantage
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Carsten19:32:28 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
Wealth is created by Work and investment (capital). and in the righ circumstances capital makes the work a lot smarter and better. That said, it is challengeing to get people to realize it is easier to grow the pie that worry about how it is cut.
exactly... growing the pie is completely beyond people here
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Alex M - clockwork19:46:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
ok
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Alex M - clockwork19:46:58 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://www.sec.gov/news/public-statement/digital-asset-securites-issuuance-and-trading
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Alex M - clockwork19:47:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
NOT good
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Werhhh19:53:42 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
America, lul
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Bitsniper19:55:38 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Wow sounds bad. They specifically mention that they will use the practical approach. Meaning if the said Dex doors not use words like exchange too define what they do the sec will basically determine if they match buyers and sellers be it through a marketplace or smart contract they will enforce exchange rules of registration
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Alex M - clockwork19:56:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
"A system uses established non-discretionary methods if it provides a trading facility or sets rules. For example, an entity that provides an algorithm, run on a computer program or on a smart contract using blockchain technology, as a means to bring together or execute orders could be providing a trading facility. As another example, an entity that sets execution priorities, standardizes material terms for digital asset securities traded on the system, or requires orders to conform with predetermined protocols of a smart contract, could be setting rules. Additionally, if one entity arranges for other entities, either directly or indirectly, to provide the various functions of a trading system that together meet the definition of an exchange, the entity arranging the collective efforts could be considered to have established an exchange."
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Alex M - clockwork19:56:19 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
to me , this sounds as if both witnesses and committee can be held liable
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Alex M - clockwork19:56:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
personally i dont care until this makes it across the pond (like most legislation)
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Alex M - clockwork19:57:03 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
but we do have US based ones as well
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Crypto Kong19:58:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
it’s also many young british that never would have thought a brexit could happen, and simply didn’t go to vote... now more and more are calling for a 2nd referendum because tw true majority would be against brexit
i live in england and honestly... ignoring the vote... it was always gonna be tight, wasnt about people voting or not, the countries split pretty much 50/50 on it. Voting now would proabably result in a remain vote simply because of the realisation that the government are useless and no one will get what they want
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Bitsniper19:59:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
but we do have US based ones as well
Are they anonymous or are they easily identified (both committee and witnesses)?
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Alex M - clockwork19:59:52 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitsniper1
Are they anonymous or are they easily identified (both committee and witnesses)?
easily i'd say
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Alex M - clockwork20:00:18 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
this is the federal government...noone is THAT anonymous if they get their hair in a bunch
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R20:00:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
to me , this sounds as if both witnesses and committee can be held liable
Also for any petro tx, as they would violate us economic sanctions permanently & have no amnesty.
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Alex M - clockwork20:01:28 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
intersting part
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Alex M - clockwork20:01:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
doesnt say you HAVE to register
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Alex M - clockwork20:01:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
it says you must EITHER register
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Alex M - clockwork20:01:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
or show WHY you are exempt
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Crypto Kong20:01:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
what are the consequences though? fines?
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Alex M - clockwork20:02:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
we should focus on part 2
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Alex M - clockwork20:02:35 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
or go totally underground
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Crypto Kong20:03:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
how hard is it to make the blockchain untraceable like monero or whatever so they cant see any of whats going on?
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Alex M - clockwork20:04:01 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
how hard is it to make the blockchain untraceable like monero or whatever so they cant see any of whats going on?
thats for transfers
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Alex M - clockwork20:04:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
stealth can do it
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Crypto Kong20:04:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
hmmm
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Alex M - clockwork20:04:14 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
trading is a different story altogether
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Crypto Kong20:04:24 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
hmmm
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Crypto Kong20:05:08 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i read a tweet thread from a very reputable blockchain lawyer that seems to think only repercussions will be fines... although i imagine pretty devasting fines for most
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Alex M - clockwork20:05:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
i read a tweet thread from a very reputable blockchain lawyer that seems to think only repercussions will be fines... although i imagine pretty devasting fines for most
fine and ceasing operations or conforming
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Alex M - clockwork20:05:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
doubt we can get away with a yearly fine :)
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Alex M - clockwork20:06:00 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
that would be grat if we could
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Cryptick Cryptick20:06:03 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Everyone will just go more underground...
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Crypto Kong20:06:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
should proxies unvote all american witnesses?
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Alex M - clockwork20:06:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
should proxies unvote all american witnesses?
no reason....
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Alex M - clockwork20:06:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
can be done if/when needed
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Alex M - clockwork20:06:54 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
if at all
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Crypto Kong20:07:00 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
yeah good point
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Cryptick Cryptick20:07:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
If needed, people will just diappear and reappear... al these profiles are anonamous. There are enough high privacy coins...
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Crypto Kong20:08:14 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
as bad as it sounds... a few will probably have to take a hit and be replaced by other witnesses before the sec realises they need to change strategy
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Cryptick Cryptick20:08:14 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
If it gets mainstream adoption though KYC and goverment rules will be ok. To the moon.
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Cryptick Cryptick20:09:40 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I think there are bigger targets out there for enforcment. Even if people don't like what is happening here, there are so many bigger things. Like investigate -oh I don't know- tether? A billion dollar "problem"
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Alex M - clockwork20:10:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
I think there are bigger targets out there for enforcment. Even if people don't like what is happening here, there are so many bigger things. Like investigate -oh I don't know- tether? A billion dollar "problem"
tell that to etherdelta :P
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Crypto Kong20:15:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
ones things for sure... they will go after easy targets... so all everyones gotta do is make sure they not the weakest member of the heard
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Dmitry Mantis20:15:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
tell that to etherdelta :P
Which still works
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Dmitry Mantis20:16:00 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The point is to make systems which will live even we all will be slaughtered)
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Crypto Kong20:17:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
excuse my lack of tech knowledge here... but would it be possible to create cloud witnesses. something that can easily be deployed or taken down anywhere? even if it didnt do the full job of a witness, could the job be seperated?
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Dmitry Mantis20:18:14 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Well, it will slow down the blockchain.
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Dmitry Mantis20:18:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
More witnesses - larger block time and time to sync 2/3
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Crypto Kong20:18:45 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
what if the number of witnesses was increased
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Crypto Kong20:18:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
hmmm
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George (Bitspark)20:19:40 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dmantis
Well, it will slow down the blockchain.
there is a static set number of witnesses, more witnesses doesnt mean more block producers
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Dmitry Mantis20:20:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Anyway, it will be cool to integrate with xmr's kovri project and sync some anonymous witnesses. 1/3 of fully anonymous witnesses will make the with hunt pretty useless.
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Dmitry Mantis20:21:00 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Any single arrest won't turn down the whole DEX. No profits from arrests = no arrests.
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Alex M - clockwork20:21:05 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dmantis
More witnesses - larger block time and time to sync 2/3
block time is the same...time to irreversibility does increase though
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Bitsniper20:25:16 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dmantis
Anyway, it will be cool to integrate with xmr's kovri project and sync some anonymous witnesses. 1/3 of fully anonymous witnesses will make the witch hunt pretty useless.
What is the possibility of this actually being done? Is this just brainstorming or is this actually something that can be implemented. This does seem like a good way to hide. I am not a techie forgive me if stupid question
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Dmitry Mantis20:26:41 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It's already on heavy progress on privacy-focused currency. I don't think they would be against borrowing some of the tech)
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Dmitry Mantis20:27:25 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kovri is based on i2pd, so the connection time might be a problem.
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Dmitry Mantis20:27:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hovewer it really depends on node integration in network in i2p.
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Bitsniper20:29:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
So how to initiate something like this to start protecting ourselves (bitshares)
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Jeff20:36:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The biggest question mark is what will be deemed a security. Seems we will have to comply with the rules or move completely out of the US.
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Dmitry Mantis20:37:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jedebel
The biggest question mark is what will be deemed a security. Seems we will have to comply with the rules or move completely out of the US.
Thre is no such things as complying in really decentralised systems. Is bitoin complient?)
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Dmitry Mantis20:38:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
USD is even not the most traded stable smartcoin
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Dmitry Mantis20:38:17 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Why US should dictate anything to the DEX?
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Dmitry Mantis20:40:15 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The main point is not to have single failure point, like in "decentralised" ICO teams which is a classic perfectly centralised businesses.
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Jeff20:42:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Do you really think the US cares about 'outside of the US?". Look at the first two paragraphs. How many times does the statement use 'our'?
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Jeff20:43:09 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
In recent years, we have seen significant advances in technologies – including blockchain and other distributed ledger technologies – that impact our securities markets. This statement[1] highlights several recent Commission enforcement actions involving the intersection of long-standing applications of our federal securities laws and new technologies. The Commission's Divisions of Corporation Finance, Investment Management, and Trading and Markets (the "Divisions") encourage technological innovations that benefit investors and our capital markets, and we have been consulting with market participants regarding issues presented by new technologies.[2] We wish to emphasize, however, that market participants must still adhere to our well-established and well-functioning federal securities law framework when dealing with technological innovations, regardless of whether the securities are issued in certificated form or using new technologies, such as blockchain.
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Jeff20:43:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dmantis
The main thing is not to have single failure point, like in "decentralised" ICO teams which are classic perfectly centralised businesses.
Completely agree
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Dmitry Mantis20:44:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
US are not caring about anything but themselfes. Bless god last years they are not in the best fit.
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Jeff20:45:04 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
They are just saying exchanges have to comply with the rules in the US.
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Dmitry Mantis20:45:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
You can't comply with the rules in blockchain.
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Dmitry Mantis20:45:45 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
OpenLedger and other gates can
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Dmitry Mantis20:45:52 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
But that's up to them.
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Dmitry Mantis20:46:48 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Drug wars against them are almost won, let the crypto one start)
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Jeff20:47:10 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I agree. The gateways will have to decide if they host in the US.
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Alex M - clockwork20:47:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
If you think only the us has an sec you're mistaken
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Jeff20:47:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
If you think only the us has an sec you're mistaken
Correct
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Jeff20:48:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
So what do you see as the solution?
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Alex M - clockwork20:48:18 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Whatever happens there will probably happen everywhere sooner or later
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Alex M - clockwork20:48:26 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
With small differences
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Alex M - clockwork20:48:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jedebel
So what do you see as the solution?
Shifting the liability to businesses gateways and asset issuers
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Alex M - clockwork20:49:13 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
But that means we get to the sec first and make our case
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Jeff20:49:19 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The US seems to be most outspoken about enforcement at this time but I might have missed some news stories in other languages. lol
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Fabian Schuh20:49:27 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Let's assume Tethers are security tokens. They are operated as part of the Omni protocol and thus run on top of the Bitcoin Blockchain. If SEC declares Tether a security or even a fraud, is the Bitcoin blockchain or its miners affected? Not sure how one would go after a 'protocol'. Surely tho, the SEC can go after businesses operating with Tether
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Alex M - clockwork20:50:27 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
xeroc
Let's assume Tethers are security tokens. They are operated as part of the Omni protocol and thus run on top of the Bitcoin Blockchain. If SEC declares Tether a security or even a fraud, is the Bitcoin blockchain or its miners affected? Not sure how one would go after a 'protocol'. Surely tho, the SEC can go after businesses operating with Tether
Not quite the same
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Alex M - clockwork20:50:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
On I protocol is even further removed
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Jeff20:51:04 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yes, I agree but what about the bitshares gateway? It is not run by a business so no way to shift liability.
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Alex M - clockwork20:51:22 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Jedebel
Yes, I agree but what about the bitshares gateway? It is not run by a business so no way to shift liability.
There is no bitshares gateway
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Alex M - clockwork20:51:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Unless you mean the web wallet
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Jeff20:51:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yes, that is what I meant.
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Alex M - clockwork20:52:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
When I said gateways I mean the actual business of a gateway
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Alex M - clockwork20:52:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Issuing tokens etc
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George (Bitspark)20:52:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Shifting the liability to businesses gateways and asset issuers
Thats always been the case. 'Bitshares' doesnt exist in any specific patch of dirt.
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Alex M - clockwork20:52:59 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Thats always been the case. 'Bitshares' doesnt exist in any specific patch of dirt.
Yeah but we have to get that in writing actually
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George (Bitspark)20:53:18 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Yeah but we have to get that in writing actually
No, there is nobody to write anything to anyone, thats part of being decentralised
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Alex M - clockwork20:53:31 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
No, there is nobody to write anything to anyone, thats part of being decentralised
Read the statement
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George (Bitspark)20:53:57 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Read the statement
I did, I speak to regulators all the time, infact yesterday was with Lithuanian central bank and day before US regulators
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Alex M - clockwork20:54:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Register or say why you are exempt
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Alex M - clockwork20:54:07 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
So we need the second one
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George (Bitspark)20:54:15 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bitshares doesnt need to do anything, its the gateways that need to be aware where they offer products
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Jeff20:54:20 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Have to take the kids shopping but I'll catch up with conversation later.
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Once Uponatime20:55:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Register or say why you are exempt
For religious reasons 😉
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Alex M - clockwork20:56:04 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
'bitshares' doesnt need to do anything, its the gateways that need to be aware where they offer products, thats always been the case....
To me the wording on the statement quite clearly targets witnesses and even committee members that might be us based
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Bitsniper20:56:52 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Religion is great way to block the government what about the DEX how coups that have anything to do with religion?
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Fabian Schuh20:57:48 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
'bitshares' doesnt need to do anything, its the gateways that need to be aware where they offer products, thats always been the case....
I would like a US lawyer put that on paper :D
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George (Bitspark)20:58:05 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitshares is not an entity or thing
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Alex M - clockwork20:58:29 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Bitshares is not an entity or thing
Witnesses committee members and devs are
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George (Bitspark)20:58:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Witnesses committee members and devs are
so?
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Alex M - clockwork20:58:40 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I know you're none so you don't carr
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Once Uponatime20:58:59 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitsniper1
Religion is great way to block the government what about the DEX how could that have anything to do with religion?
https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=@arisenchurch
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George (Bitspark)20:59:12 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
witnesses are a server that verifies blocks and an address on a blockchain
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Once Uponatime20:59:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitsniper1
Religion is great way to block the government what about the DEX how could that have anything to do with religion?
https://web.telegram.org/#/im?p=@arisenchurch
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Bitsniper21:00:32 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Witnesses committee members and devs are
Yes I think even though decentralized making example of committee and witnesses the government canput fear in people to not be witness in us or committee. What will happen to bitshares of all US committee and witness are gone?
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Alex M - clockwork21:09:33 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
witnesses are a server that verifies blocks and an address on a blockchain
run by people
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Alex M - clockwork21:11:13 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
from the statement "A system uses established non-discretionary methods if it provides a trading facility or sets rules. For example, an entity that provides an algorithm, run on a computer program or on a smart contract using blockchain technology, as a means to bring together or execute orders could be providing a trading facility. "
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Alex M - clockwork21:11:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
stop thinking the US
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Alex M - clockwork21:11:56 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
whatever happens there will spread to the rest of the world in no time
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Alex M - clockwork21:12:13 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
maybe a ferw countries might keep things differently
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Alex M - clockwork21:12:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
but the chain wont survive if all witnesses are in 1-2 data centers in one country
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Alex M - clockwork21:12:43 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
look at the big picture here
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Alex M - clockwork21:12:59 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
we need to make our case rather than wait for them
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George (Bitspark)21:13:44 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
stop thinking the US
stop thinking guidances are literal thats not how the law works. The statement above literally covers anything and everything and it also doesnt include other clauses regulators use like the sale of products in their specific jurisdiction to citizens of that specific country. Thats not how securities are regulated globally
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Alex M - clockwork21:14:34 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
stop thinking guidances are literal thats not how the law works. The statement above literally covers anything and everything and it also doesnt include other clauses regulators use like the sale of products in their specific jurisdiction to citizens of that specific country. Thats not how securities are regulated globally
and stop thinking you have BETTER leverage and freedom of movement AFTER they come for you rather than before
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George (Bitspark)21:14:40 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
there is a reason the korean stock exchange is regulated by the laws of korea and not US
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George (Bitspark)21:15:12 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
or and
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Crypto Kong21:16:48 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The SEC is only going to go after easy targets, they cant afford to loose this early in the game. I doubt they would come after bitshares. Its far more likely they go after a gateway. They need wins to set a tone. If they loose it fucks them right up. They wont go after anything that isnt a slam dunk
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Crypto Kong21:17:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
What the SEC says doesnt really mean shit. They still have to win in court and abide by the law
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Alex M - clockwork21:19:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
stop thinking guidances are literal thats not how the law works. The statement above literally covers anything and everything and it also doesnt include other clauses regulators use like the sale of products in their specific jurisdiction to citizens of that specific country. Thats not how securities are regulated globally
it's precisely because i know thats not how law works that i'm saying all this
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Alex M - clockwork21:19:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
because we can still spin it to our advantage
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Alex M - clockwork21:20:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
do you want to wait till they go someone else who might not have the ability to make as good a case as us and sets a precedent that we can no longer spin?
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Crypto Kong21:20:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
do you want to wait till they go someone else who might not have the ability to make as good a case as us and sets a precedent that we can no longer spin?
Fair point
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George (Bitspark)21:24:52 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
do you want to wait till they go someone else who might not have the ability to make as good a case as us and sets a precedent that we can no longer spin?
You can send them a letter and tell them you use a cryptocurrency and a trading exchange piece of software thats fine, the rest of bitshares doesnt care as it doesnt affect anyone except you. So go and do whatever
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Carsten22:22:00 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
"A system uses established non-discretionary methods if it provides a trading facility or sets rules. For example, an entity that provides an algorithm, run on a computer program or on a smart contract using blockchain technology, as a means to bring together or execute orders could be providing a trading facility. As another example, an entity that sets execution priorities, standardizes material terms for digital asset securities traded on the system, or requires orders to conform with predetermined protocols of a smart contract, could be setting rules. Additionally, if one entity arranges for other entities, either directly or indirectly, to provide the various functions of a trading system that together meet the definition of an exchange, the entity arranging the collective efforts could be considered to have established an exchange."
so by that definition even sites / developers providing trading bots for use with 3rd party exchanges, qualify as exchange?
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Lucas22:23:36 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Carsten22:30:19 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitsniper1
Religion is great way to block the government what about the DEX how could that have anything to do with religion?
is that a rhetorical? we are a religious group.. ask godfather
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Carsten22:33:49 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
as we say in germany, don’t wake sleeping dogs
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Carsten22:34:45 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i mean bitshares is doing fine in china, right? where any crypto trading is illegal
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Alex M - clockwork22:36:55 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
so by that definition even sites / developers providing trading bots for use with 3rd party exchanges, qualify as exchange?
way i read it it s talking about the order matching code
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Alex M - clockwork22:37:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
not order placing (like a bot)
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Carsten22:40:28 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
it also says execution right?
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Carsten22:41:03 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and “rules” could also be simply a when / under what condition an order is executed
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Salsabilla22:43:27 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi guys
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Daniel Schwarz (liondani)22:43:30 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Let's make it viral ;) https://d.tube/v/liondani/utqhoukd
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Carsten22:44:16 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
liondani
Let's make it viral ;) https://d.tube/v/liondani/utqhoukd
i’m vaccinated
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Daniel Schwarz (liondani)22:44:47 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
:)
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Salsabilla22:45:43 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi who wants to earn bitcoin there's a paying newsite with payment proof
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Salsabilla22:46:06 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Inbox me if you want the link ND proof
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Salsabilla22:46:15 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Inbox me
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Jose22:46:18 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Jose22:46:45 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Jose22:46:50 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hello
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Salsabilla22:47:02 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
How you
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Jose23:06:23 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
There is nothing like free bitcoin, you have to mine to get bitcoin, you can now earn up to $1850 BTC with $150 BTC in 24hours with mining, %100 guaranteed..
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Jose23:06:43 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Crypto Kong23:19:54 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Whats the link for the dex now?
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Crypto Kong23:20:09 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Its not bitshares.org?
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Crypto Kong23:26:37 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Found it...
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Crypto Kong23:26:39 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/
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Crypto Kong23:26:51 - 17 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Thats pretty well hidden lol
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Hareem Haque00:06:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Where’s the Bitshares desk top app ?
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R00:12:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
gridcenter
Where’s the Bitshares desk top app ?
Check out the Bitshares ui repo releases page?
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Hareem Haque00:13:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Check out the Bitshares ui repo releases page?
Link?
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R00:44:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
gridcenter
Link?
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/releases
JB
Johnny Black01:33:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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Miguelpt01:48:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
philipp_Schulz1
There is nothing like free bitcoin, you have to mine to get bitcoin, you can now earn up to $1850 BTC with $150 BTC in 24hours with mining, %100 guaranteed..
here comes the scam 🚨
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Hareem Haque02:19:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
There is a user shilling hype cloud mining bs. I intro’d BTS dex. Scammer went silent.
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Carsten04:49:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bitshares needs some seo + sem... searching for “decentralized exchange” shows all the competitors long before bitshares... only crypto bridge is further up in the results, but also only #7 (searching google germany)
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Carsten04:50:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
even young ones like dexeos are above
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Carsten04:52:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and the listed bitshares result is some docs page.. still far away from finding the actual dex
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom05:49:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
word asset added to search. # 1 points to HTTP 404. #2 lists OL & CB. #3 Etherdelta was popular on IDEX. #4 OL
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom06:14:28 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Search centralized exchange. bitshares, OL,CB vary from #1-9 (same result as decentralized search) but, no centralized exchanges listed. Search digital asset exchange and there they are
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Sandra Shannon06:23:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi everyone, I signed up on bitshares so I could buy peerplays, but am confused, went to the exchange but do not see pot symbol of peerplays. I see bitshares to buy and various of other cryptos, where is PPY.
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Kathy Jameson06:26:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom06:26:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
Hi everyone, I signed up on bitshares so I could buy peerplays, but am confused, went to the exchange but do not see pot symbol of peerplays. I see bitshares to buy and various of other cryptos, where is PPY.
Peerplays (PPY)- locate within the market pair of your choice (BTC,ETH,BTS,USD,CNY,ETC)
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Alex M - clockwork06:31:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
liondani
Let's make it viral ;) https://d.tube/v/liondani/utqhoukd
👍
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Sandra Shannon06:40:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ok will go back and check it out. Thank you, didn't see pot in my markets.
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Sandra Shannon06:47:45 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I can't seem to find btc/ppy, I can see bit/ppy, but I need pair with bitcoin, the markets aren't showing it, what am I doing wrong?
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Stefan06:49:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The PPY asset on bitshares is frozen iirc. The moved to their own chain and are traded in other exchanges (newcoin I think)
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom06:49:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
Ok will go back and check it out. Thank you, didn't see pot in my markets.
Are you sure you are looking for Peerplays? 2X you said pot symbol. Maybe you are looking for Smoke? go to exchange tab. click find markets. type what you are seeking. FYI both Smoke and PPY can be found in each base pair by scrolling
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Sandra Shannon06:49:53 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
What platform are u on? I am going thru wallet.bitshares.org. my platform doesn't look like the one u posted. Thank you Sandy
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom06:50:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
The PPY asset on bitshares is frozen iirc. The moved to their own chain and are traded in other exchanges (newcoin I think)
👌
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Sandra Shannon06:50:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I know my text wants to spell out pot, no I mean Peerplays PPY, TYPO EEROR, sorry.
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ImmanuelN06:51:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi
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Sandra Shannon06:52:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Did u say POT is frozen on bitshares, well that would make sense why I can't see it on exchange, right?
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Sandra Shannon06:52:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I meant PPT SORRY.
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Sandra Shannon06:53:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
PPY, peerplays
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom06:53:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
I know my text wants to spell out pot, no I mean Peerplays PPY, TYPO EEROR, sorry.
See Stefans note above. I do not know their new chain address
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Fabian Schuh06:54:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
PPY, peerplays
PPY is a gateway to the peerplays blockchain, `PEERPLAYS` asset is frozen
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funkit06:54:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://cryptofresh.com/a/OPEN.PPY_OPEN.BTC
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Sandra Shannon06:55:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi Stefan, what exchanges is peerplays trading on, do you know?
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Fabian Schuh06:55:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
OPEN.PPY is a gateway from openledger .. the actual PPY symbol has more traffic, but I suppose it is not accessible via openledger
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Stefan06:55:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
xeroc
PPY is a gateway to the peerplays blockchain, PEERPLAYS asset is frozen
Just read the description, see here Sandra https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/asset/ppy
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Fabian Schuh06:56:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
OpenLedger AFAIKs does some weird rewrite of asset symbols in their URL and this PPY asset gets overwritten to OPEN.PPY assets .. hance with openledger, you can't access the PPY:BTS market which IIRC has most volume
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funkit06:56:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
If you stick to openledgers version, there is some activity in the btc pair. It is also available through Rudex, but no active btc pairing
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Alex M - clockwork06:56:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
wtf?
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Alex M - clockwork06:57:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
need to do some kibana searching...somethign odd is going on
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom06:57:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
👆
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Sandra Shannon06:57:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I so read that link but How can I buy peerplays, I was told I had to open up an account on pictures send Bitcoin to open letter account so I could buy peerplays but that is not correct anymore?
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Sandra Shannon06:58:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I was told to open account on bitshares, then send Bitcoin to open Ledger account and then I could buy ppy.
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funkit06:59:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
That's the way to do it, yes.
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Sandra Shannon07:03:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
So I should send my btc back to my wallet and then send my btc to Rudex exchange??
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Stefan07:04:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
So I should send my btc back to my wallet and then send my btc to Rudex exchange??
Read the instructions from OpenLedger or rudex how to do that
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Stefan07:04:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
If anything us unclear please ask them, if it's UI related can also go to @btswallethelp
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom07:05:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Read the instructions from OpenLedger or rudex how to do that
https://steemit.com/peerplays/@drpuffnstuff/how-to-move-peerplays-from-bitshares-openledger-rudex-to-peerplays-wallet https://www.peerplays.com
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Sandra Shannon07:06:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ok thank you guys,appreciative for all your help. Still very cornfused, yes I meant to say that not a typo error, Lol.
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Sandra Shannon07:08:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I haven't bought any peerplays yet that's what I'm trying to do, so I sent some Bitcoin to bit shares. Org and then I went on the exchange and I cannot find a pair btc/ ppy.
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom07:09:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
Ok thank you guys,appreciative for all your help. Still very cornfused, yes I meant to say that not a typo error, Lol.
See Funkits note above. click the link he provided
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Mathew07:09:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
That is a lot of unique users 🧐
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Mathew07:10:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I know people will be adjusting their margins etc but that seems an unrealistically high increase to be that
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funkit07:12:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
I haven't bought any peerplays yet that's what I'm trying to do, so I sent some Bitcoin to bit shares. Org and then I went on the exchange and I cannot find a pair btc/ ppy.
What you are looking for is open.ppy : open.btc
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Sandra Shannon07:12:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Thank you.
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funkit07:16:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
But when I look closer into the matter, open ledgers PPY gateway is closed at the moment. So if the point was to move it to peerplays, you would be better of buying the Rudex PPY
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom07:18:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
That is a lot of unique users 🧐
20 per minute for 24 hrs (1166 per hr)
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Alex M - clockwork07:27:14 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
I know people will be adjusting their margins etc but that seems an unrealistically high increase to be that
exactly...almost 3x our average.,...somethigns up...dont know why
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Mathew07:39:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bot accounts of some sort? Any way of seeing what / where the increased activity is?
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Alex M - clockwork07:39:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
looking...dont see naything weird yet
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Stefan07:40:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Exclude margin update op
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Alex M - clockwork07:45:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
mnight be cryptobridge payouts causing it
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Stefan07:50:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Can you restrict to being active only counts when sending not receiving?
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Stefan07:50:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
mnight be cryptobridge payouts causing it
Can you restrict to being active only counts when sending not receiving?
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Alex M - clockwork07:54:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Can you restrict to being active only counts when sending not receiving?
i think i am
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Alex M - clockwork07:59:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
http://open-explorer.io/#/blocks/32303743
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Mathew07:59:09 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Can you see the assets with the most unique users / transactions?
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Mathew07:59:25 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Based on twitter I'd take a look at deex
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Alex M - clockwork07:59:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
it is cryptobridge
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Alex M - clockwork08:00:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
hmm
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Alex M - clockwork08:00:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
need to talk to alfredo
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Alex M - clockwork08:03:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i thought account.account_id.keyword field in ES was whoever was sending the tx
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Alex M - clockwork08:04:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
seems to be a keyword list of accoutns impacted or something like that
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Alex M - clockwork08:04:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
@oxarbitrage
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Fabian Schuh08:08:13 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Btw, for some reason my ES cluster stopped syncing due to watermark dism space, i freed up some GB but syncing is still stopped :) will investigate next week
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Carsten08:19:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
word asset added to search. # 1 points to HTTP 404. #2 lists OL & CB. #3 Etherdelta was popular on IDEX. #4 OL
interesting... thought 404s can never be at the top. but it’s already pretty complicated for somebody trying to inform oneself about dex, to add “asset” imo
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bester08:20:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Good to be here
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Alex M - clockwork08:21:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dl has done a lot of work on seo
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Alex M - clockwork08:21:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
but itll take a couple of days for everything to be reindexed properly
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Carsten08:22:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
but itll take a couple of days for everything to be reindexed properly
should have added proper 301s to keep ranking of old pages with new site
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bester08:22:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
What topics do you have on bitcoin
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bester08:22:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Am new In this forum
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Alex M - clockwork08:22:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bester
What topics do you have on bitcoin
none...this is about bitshares
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Carsten08:23:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and seo alone won’t change the overall ranking much i guess... needs some backlinks etc ... articles, marketing, content on the site etc
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Alex M - clockwork08:23:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares.org/issues/12
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bester08:23:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Or my sorry
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Alex M - clockwork08:23:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
for any 404 that might be missed and progress on DL's work
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Carsten08:23:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i see
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Alex M - clockwork08:24:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
and seo alone won’t change the overall ranking much i guess... needs some backlinks etc ... articles, marketing, content on the site etc
now we have a site and an active domain caretaker it should all be moving
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Alex M - clockwork08:24:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
me and @ryanrfox made a few connections that could possibly generate some good traffic
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Alex M - clockwork08:24:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
at decentralized
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Carsten08:25:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
eg would be good if all gateways would have a backlink to bitshares... eg cryptobridge mentions it once on the homepage, but there’s no link
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Carsten08:25:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and they have a much better ranking
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Carsten08:26:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
so a link of them would already help a lot
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Carsten08:28:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
could be part of the bitshares license :) if they use the software for free, they could at least sponsor a link
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Alex M - clockwork08:28:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
could be part of the bitshares license :) if they use the software for free, they could at least sponsor a link
i think DL has something in mind about this
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Mathew08:29:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
so a link of them would already help a lot
Good idea
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Alex M - clockwork08:30:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://medium.com/@everprove/everprove-our-vision-of-smart-and-distributed-document-archives-dfee27e5667b
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Alex M - clockwork08:30:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
nice
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Alex M - clockwork08:30:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
someone approached me at decentralized for exactly the same project
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Alex M - clockwork08:30:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
same concept i mean
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Alex M - clockwork08:30:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
different company
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Carsten08:33:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
https://medium.com/@everprove/everprove-our-vision-of-smart-and-distributed-document-archives-dfee27e5667b
they link dpos but not bitshares :)
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Alex M - clockwork08:34:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
they link dpos but not bitshares :)
well
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Alex M - clockwork08:34:33 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
theyre building ON bitshares which is more important
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Carsten08:35:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
many do that... if they all would support bitshares with a link, we would def be #1 for all dex related keywords
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Mathew08:36:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
theyre building ON bitshares which is more important
This is very cool
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Carsten08:37:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
also all the content that’s coming from the community on steem and medium etc... that’s all original content that should be on the bitshares domain and only referenced on those other sites
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Carsten08:39:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
would be cool if steem had a white label / subdomain feature like eg blogger
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Alex M - clockwork08:40:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
would be cool if steem had a white label / subdomain feature like eg blogger
we can do that
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Carsten08:40:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
then all that content could push the bitshares domain and stay on steem
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Alex M - clockwork08:40:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bitsharestalk.io is a frontend for whaleshares
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Alex M - clockwork08:40:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
we could do sth like community.bitshares.org which basically displays content from steem under specific tags
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Alex M - clockwork08:41:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i'll talk to dl about it
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Carsten08:41:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
exactly
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Carsten08:41:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
nice
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Alex M - clockwork08:41:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
although i actually prefer bitsharestalk.io and whaleshares
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Alex M - clockwork08:41:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
needs some polishing and promotion though
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Alex M - clockwork08:42:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
or get everyone to use masdacs.io for crossposting bitshares related stuff
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Carsten08:46:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bitsharestalk can stay as a forum.. anyway not that keyword related i think... but the articles on steem etc that explicitly talk about decentralized exchanges and challenges and whatever that are focused on bitshares / coming from its community.. those could help being more linked to the domain
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Carsten08:47:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
or get everyone to use masdacs.io for crossposting bitshares related stuff
didn’t know that.. interesting
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Carsten08:48:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
didn’t know that.. interesting
if it doesn’t cause duplicate content in googles view... i think since 1-2 years they only attribute one source for the same content and penalize too many too similar sources
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Carsten08:48:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
or already 4 years actually
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom08:49:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
bitsharestalk can stay as a forum.. anyway not that keyword related i think... but the articles on steem etc that explicitly talk about decentralized exchanges and challenges and whatever that are focused on bitshares / coming from its community.. those could help being more linked to the domain
I think "exchange" wording would be best avoided and replaced with Distributed Ledger Technologies. Blockchain is already a form of DLT. But, a search for DLT doesn't list any exchanges at all
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Carsten08:50:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
I think "exchange" wording would be best avoided and replaced with Distributed Ledger Technologies. Blockchain is already a form of DLT. But, a search for DLT doesn't list any exchanges at all
we should analyze what people search for that want a dex and are just starting with blockchain... don’t think they necessarily know “dlt”
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Carsten08:51:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
and after all, if i’m searching for an exchange, that’s what i type
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Carsten08:52:12 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
my point is, decentralized exchanges get more and more media attention... and bitshares, as the first, should capitalize on that
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Carsten08:54:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
instead i see waves, nex, stellarx etc and articles about “the best dex” that don’t mention bitshares
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom08:58:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
we should analyze what people search for that want a dex and are just starting with blockchain... don’t think they necessarily know “dlt”
Right. It's a double edged sword. New traffic is important. So is compliance. Either can make or break it. Compliance has the advantage ATM, traffic can still be generated with word optimization indexing like Alex said. In short, it is the very use of key wording in this ecosystem the SEC is targeting. They defined many key words 100 yrs ago, which carefully worded, net most crypto convictions followed by failure to regulate as a result of those terms
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Carsten08:59:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
Right. It's a double edged sword. New traffic is important. So is compliance. Either can make or break it. Compliance has the advantage ATM, traffic can still be generated with word optimization indexing like Alex said. In short, it is the very use of key wording in this ecosystem the SEC is targeting. They defined many key words 100 yrs ago, which carefully worded, net most crypto convictions followed by failure to regulate as a result of those terms
according to his link yesterday, wording won’t rescue us
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:05:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
according to his link yesterday, wording won’t protect us
It's a domino effect. This is a good example
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Carsten09:07:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
It's a domino effect. This is a good example
ok, but those are pretty clear points we can avoid - unlike icos taking payments in eth
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:13:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
ok, but those are pretty clear points we can avoid - unlike icos taking payments in eth
IMO the only clear path to staying decentralized (crutial), and being compliant (exempt), is to pursue bitshares as an SRO. Being built on Graphene, along with many, many other projects, they could ban together (like the BBF) and would likely be approved for an SRO no action letter
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:21:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Same case. Read about the founders: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2018/10/24/tokens-and-the-extraterritorial-reach-of-us-securities-laws/
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Wixlar News09:26:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hello XBTS , exchange
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Wixlar News09:26:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Can we speak with the admin
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Alex M - clockwork09:28:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
WixlarNews
Can we speak with the admin
this is not xbts....xbts runs on top of our blockchain platform but they probably have a separate telegram room or contact medium
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Wixlar News09:28:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Oh, because this telegram is written on their help page
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Alex M - clockwork09:29:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
oh god...
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Alex M - clockwork09:29:22 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
not gaain
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Wixlar News09:29:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ok ok . Thanks
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Wixlar News09:29:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Got it
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Alex M - clockwork09:29:52 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
we need another one of these for xbts it seems
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Alex M - clockwork09:30:24 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
WixlarNews
Got it
https://t.me/xbtsio
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Wixlar News09:30:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Thank you. Got it
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Wixlar News09:31:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sorry for disturbing
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Alex M - clockwork09:31:11 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
no worries
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Abdo Ehab09:33:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hi everybody
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Aditya Raje09:37:43 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Hello there..anyone used bitspark here?
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Mathew09:38:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yep it's good
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Mathew09:38:57 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
adityaraje1990
Hello there..anyone used bitspark here?
Yep it's good
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RobotCoin_V2_Bot09:40:54 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
t.me/RobotCoin_V2_Bot?start=691992380
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Mathew09:42:19 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
adityaraje1990
Hello there..anyone used bitspark here?
https://t.me/sparkdexofficial
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Kristin Low09:43:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
my point is, decentralized exchanges get more and more media attention... and bitshares, as the first, should capitalize on that
Good points. I think the niche to capture is that we are consistently and unrepentantly against KYC. Our core functionality as a blockchain doesn't - and never will - require KYC. No other projects will take that stand, it's a valuable space to occupy, and we can sustainably do it.
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Aditya Raje09:45:39 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
https://t.me/sparkdexofficial
Thanks
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Alex M - clockwork09:48:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kristin_Spark
Good points. I think the niche to capture is that we are consistently and unrepentantly against KYC. Our core functionality as a blockchain doesn't - and never will - require KYC. No other projects will take that stand, it's a valuable space to occupy, and we can sustainably do it.
exactly... my point yesterday was that we need to argue that case in advance so we have no issues in the future
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RobotCoin_V2_Bot09:51:48 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
t.me/RobotCoin_V2_Bot?start=691992380
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Alex M - clockwork09:51:49 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
instead i see waves, nex, stellarx etc and articles about “the best dex” that don’t mention bitshares
Read decreds wiki page
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Alex M - clockwork09:52:21 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Edit In June 2017 Decred became the first cryptocurrency project to approve a change to its protocol through a binding on-chain vote
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Alex M - clockwork09:52:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ermmmmm..no?
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Felix09:52:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Sandra Shannon
Thank you.
You may be looking for the following market: https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/market/OPEN.BTC_PPY
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Abdo Ehab09:53:44 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
https://t.me/BTC_Hourly_freebot?start=691992380
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Alex M - clockwork09:53:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
We really need a small monthly budget for "official" press releases
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Alex M - clockwork09:54:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Someone to gather up all news from workers
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Kristin Low09:54:08 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
exactly... my point yesterday was that we need to argue that case in advance so we have no issues in the future
I hear you. I don't disagree entirely in that there's certainly utility in us getting the positioning right so that we tell the story and not others. But I do think it's futile for us to engage regulators on the premise of seeking any sort of permission or clarification. I may be misunderstanding your earlier messages though - haven't followed fully.
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Alex M - clockwork09:54:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Package it up and publish it
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Kristin Low09:54:36 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
We really need a small monthly budget for "official" press releases
Yes! Great idea
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Mathew09:54:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
We really need a small monthly budget for "official" press releases
Completely agree
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Alex M - clockwork09:55:10 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kristin_Spark
I hear you. I don't disagree entirely in that there's certainly utility in us getting the positioning right so that we tell the story and not others. But I do think it's futile for us to engage regulators on the premise of seeking any sort of permission or clarification. I may be misunderstanding your earlier messages though - haven't followed fully.
Not permission. Go and basically tell them , this is what we do, how it works..this is why were exempt
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Alex M - clockwork09:55:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
And bug them till they say ok
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Alex M - clockwork09:56:16 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
We have to be the ones that set the stage not them
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Alex M - clockwork09:56:20 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Also shows a certain degree of professionalism if done right
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Alex M - clockwork09:56:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Rather than trying to "hide"
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Mathew09:57:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
exactly... my point yesterday was that we need to argue that case in advance so we have no issues in the future
I agree we need to get our position clear - part of what we are doing at the minute (as I read it) is breaking down the different parts a bit more, i.e. making it clear the DEX is a dApp that runs on Bitshares and BTS is a token of Bitshares etc.
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Alex M - clockwork09:57:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Most of it directed by the legal worker
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Alex M - clockwork09:57:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Yep
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Mathew09:58:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Which is all good stuff and right in my view. I do think we need to be clear why the DEX is exempt and we need to continue pushing / publicising it. As Carsten says it's crazy we don't feature in the press about decentralised exchanges at all.
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Alex M - clockwork09:59:40 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
matle85
Which is all good stuff and right in my view. I do think we need to be clear why the DEX is exempt and we need to continue pushing / publicising it. As Carsten says it's crazy we don't feature in the press about decentralised exchanges at all.
We don't feature in the press at all..let alone about dexs
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Kristin Low09:59:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
It's somewhat problematic if we start engaging with regulators from a single jurisdiction though. We either do them all - not practical or possible (who wants to front run the relationship with Iran's regulators?), Or we engage with none.
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Kristin Low10:00:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
We don't feature in the press at all..let alone about dexs
True.
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Alex M - clockwork10:00:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kristin_Spark
It's somewhat problematic if we start engaging with regulators from a single jurisdiction though. We either do them all - not practical or possible (who wants to front run the relationship with Iran's regulators?), Or we engage with none.
I'd expect 3-4 major regions
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Alex M - clockwork10:00:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Ol can handle Russia/eastern europe
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Alex M - clockwork10:00:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bbf Western europe
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:00:41 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
exactly... my point yesterday was that we need to argue that case in advance so we have no issues in the future
I agree with both. The way I see it, and as always even in "real life", one should strive for middle ground-compliance. But, things don't always work out, or not forever and a contigency plan is in order; it's basic chess. Pursue full decentralization as a backup with potential primary in the event of/ or while attempting to be compliant. @Kristin_Spark , the thing is, that the same division that rules, monitors, enforces everything from the terms and definitions as they apply to finances (like shares,exchange,etc) to exchanges and AML are all run by the same group. Think of them as the FDA was to tobacco. How it was worded, advertised, and promoted to use and regulation and by whom is how they won against big tobacco. These guys. Note the newest ETF ruling under risk alerts: https://www.sec.gov/ocie
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Alex M - clockwork10:00:50 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Bitcrab China etc...
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Alex M - clockwork10:01:01 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
DL se asia
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Alex M - clockwork10:01:18 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
And John /Ryan the US
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Alex M - clockwork10:01:31 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
In coordination obvs
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:07:58 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The Office Of Compliance Expections And Examinations (SEC division) monitors all of the brokers,, exchanges and SRO, NRSRO's. Requirements found here: https://www.sec.gov/about/offices/ocie/ocie_infofor.shtml
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Kristin Low10:09:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
I agree with both. The way I see it, and as always even in "real life", one should strive for middle ground-compliance. But, things don't always work out, or not forever and a contigency plan is in order; it's basic chess. Pursue full decentralization as a backup with potential primary in the event of/ or while attempting to be compliant. @Kristin_Spark , the thing is, that the same division that rules, monitors, enforces everything from the terms and definitions as they apply to finances (like shares,exchange,etc) to exchanges and AML are all run by the same group. Think of them as the FDA was to tobacco. How it was worded, advertised, and promoted to use and regulation and by whom is how they won against big tobacco. These guys. Note the newest ETF ruling under risk alerts: https://www.sec.gov/ocie
I hear you, and moderation is not a bad approach. I think what I'm getting at more is that any work or resources we use from the community on any compliance efforts are effectively paid for by everyone though do not benefit everyone - it's a tax, in some ways. I'd point to the previous worker that was created for the legal opinion on the bitfinex listing (if I recall correctly). Not critcising those who originated the proposal, though objectively as money spent I don't think the outcome was worthwhile.
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Kristin Low10:10:55 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
My fear is that we're setting a precedent for ourselves as a community that is expensive and ultimately impossible to maintain. Global compliance is ultimately impossible, and I'd argue given our architecture, ultimately unnecessary. The principle that benefits most (I think) is that issues of compliance are the responsibility of gateways that build on bitshares, and should be handled relative to their own strategy and appetite for risk.
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Kristin Low10:12:37 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
DL se asia
I see what you mean, though even for SE Asia it becomes problematic. We're talking 30+ countries here, many of which do not even work in a basic sense and who also have irrecocilable views of this technology.
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Kristin Low10:13:56 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I am prepared to be wrong, though.
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:14:27 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kristin_Spark
I hear you, and moderation is not a bad approach. I think what I'm getting at more is that any work or resources we use from the community on any compliance efforts are effectively paid for by everyone though do not benefit everyone - it's a tax, in some ways. I'd point to the previous worker that was created for the legal opinion on the bitfinex listing (if I recall correctly). Not critcising those who originated the proposal, though objectively as money spent I don't think the outcome was worthwhile.
Points I'm trying to make are; with simple rewording and terminology, avoid the above. It is how they forced Musk down and crypto.Key point they enforce is...missleading or untrue. 1 word can do it
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Dmitry Mantis10:19:07 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Kristin_Spark
Good points. I think the niche to capture is that we are consistently and unrepentantly against KYC. Our core functionality as a blockchain doesn't - and never will - require KYC. No other projects will take that stand, it's a valuable space to occupy, and we can sustainably do it.
This 👏
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Kristin Low10:19:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I get you. My point would be what if the change in wording brings us into conflict with other jurisdictions? This begs further questions, too.
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Dmitry Mantis10:19:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
No point of using 3-sec-order exchange vs centralised solutions with kyc procedures
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Dmitry Mantis10:20:17 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The whole point is money safety from third parties, including gov
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Kristin Low10:20:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
dmantis
The whole point is money safety from third parties, including gov
Completely agree.
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Mathew10:29:03 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I think that if someone wants to they can build a fully SEC compliant exchange on top of the DEX with KYC and all the formal approvals
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:30:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
The OCIE even oversees the KYC/AML, churches, non profit foundations. One word... like bank, share, exchange, bonds, securities, derivatives, stocks, oil, gas and others, markets, loans, offerings,etc... that is why, and how they are getting convictions. Same song, diff dance. It all starts with any of their terms and definitions. Share and security have different meanings as defined here: https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-shares-and-vs-securities/ But, shares also means securities by design: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/securities Either way, or both, they got you. And if those words require registration or regulation, they get you there too. Hell, they even have "free" and "airdrops" covered: https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2018/09/27/digital-tokens-no-such-thing-as-a-free-launch/
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Stefan10:38:06 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Edit In June 2017 Decred became the first cryptocurrency project to approve a change to its protocol through a binding on-chain vote
Where was that published?
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Crypto Kong10:44:34 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
could be part of the bitshares license :) if they use the software for free, they could at least sponsor a link
Good idea
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:55:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Dandelion Protocol Integration would be awesome for failsafe decentralization. https://github.com/pivx-project/pivx/releases?after=v3.0.2 Zerocoin Protocol in a nutshell: https://pivx.org/pivx-to-implement-zero-knowledge-proofs/
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Alex M - clockwork11:00:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Where was that published?
Wikipedia
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Crypto Kong11:01:30 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
https://medium.com/@everprove/everprove-our-vision-of-smart-and-distributed-document-archives-dfee27e5667b
Was this one from the conference? Or where did you hear about it?
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Alex M - clockwork11:01:59 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
Was this one from the conference? Or where did you hear about it?
Nah. Saw it on twitter
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Carsten11:02:00 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Edit In June 2017 Decred became the first cryptocurrency project to approve a change to its protocol through a binding on-chain vote
not sure what you want to say?
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Crypto Kong11:02:15 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Oh ok
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Stefan11:02:23 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
not sure what you want to say?
It's not true. BitShares did that
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Alex M - clockwork11:02:26 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
not sure what you want to say?
That our whole press is wrong...decreed was not the first
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Alex M - clockwork11:02:29 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
We were
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Alex M - clockwork11:02:32 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Much earlier
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Fabian Schuh11:02:46 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Like 2015 :)
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Carsten11:02:47 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
i see... agree
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Carsten11:04:02 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
bitshares was in many things first... maybe bitshares has too many doers and not enough talkers lol
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funkit11:04:35 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
Well... I beg to differ
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Fabian Schuh11:04:38 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
carstennn
bitshares was in many things first... maybe bitshares has too many doers and not enough talkers lol
This :)
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Fabian Schuh11:05:04 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
I can't tackle public relations or marketing. Too much of an engineer in me :)
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Carsten11:06:05 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
funkit
Well... I beg to differ
admittedly can’t have too many doers... but the balance really seems to lack. we need more marketing pros that make the hard work shine
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Carsten11:06:42 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
xeroc
I can't tackle public relations or marketing. Too much of an engineer in me :)
classic engineering problem :)
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Fabian Schuh11:06:51 - 18 Nov 2018 [UTC]
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