Tuesday, 18 December 2018

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Alex Pu22:46:30 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
To some extent. One could estimate those risks your BlackScholes option analysis, but getting a number around the risk isn't important if people are not willing to set up risk abadement practices and change risky behaviour.
Yes, but one should not forget that any marginal positions always entail a short run, and after some turn those who play for a raise become very much, which by the devilish curse of circumstances attracts those who can manipulate the price (say, those central exchanges) - in order to play again for a fall and buy off debt positions even lower. Marginal positions are what makes it easier to push the price down for those who are interested in it and have the resources for it.
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Alex Pu22:48:46 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
As a community I think we could start saying some money -to selfinsure- and have a worker proposal that would take some money each month and invest in a small basket of crypto-currencies. I think that would potentially be self-insuring. However, increasing the ratios is simplier easier and chepaer. I think multiple approaches could be taken at the same time as a diversified approach against risk.
Personally, I am not against the idea of insurance, there is no excessive precaution and protection
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Cryptick Cryptick22:57:50 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
serdrdoor
Yes, but one should not forget that any marginal positions always entail a short run, and after some turn those who play for a raise become very much, which by the devilish curse of circumstances attracts those who can manipulate the price (say, those central exchanges) - in order to play again for a fall and buy off debt positions even lower. Marginal positions are what makes it easier to push the price down for those who are interested in it and have the resources for it.
Yeah. Great points. Accounting for that or offering insurance is not so simple. Really hoping the community is going to have some more ideas on how to deal with these.
TF
Thomas Freedman22:59:32 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
serdrdoor
Stupid to constantly increase collateral. Because if you are a conscientious borrower and keep your security sufficient, then other users are not. Then the Black Swan happens and you suffer as well, because you have to sell the BitShares lower than you bought it, in spite of sufficient collateral. Risks must be limited.
Stupid? Stupid is not learning from the mistakes of the past. Collateral is self insurance as Cryptick said. Problem is iresponsible people want others to cover their losses. It's essentally greed of the few at the expense of the many. The rules need to provide saftey in the least expensive manor that is fair to all. They should also encourage responsibilty, not subsidize foolish gambling. Self insurance thru collateral is the best way to do that. Too many people believe the collectivist / keynesian economic models. Look where that has gotten the world - banksters want to take risky gambles on worthless derivatives and get public to pay for their losses. Too many traders want the same. They look for easiest way to make a profit at the expense of the many. Will they ever learn? idk, but if so it seems a slow process to overcome greed and the falacy that shifting responsibility onto others is not harmful to all.
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Cryptick Cryptick23:02:38 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ThomasFreedman
Stupid? Stupid is not learning from the mistakes of the past. Collateral is self insurance as Cryptick said. Problem is iresponsible people want others to cover their losses. It's essentally greed of the few at the expense of the many. The rules need to provide saftey in the least expensive manor that is fair to all. They should also encourage responsibilty, not subsidize foolish gambling losses. Self insurance thru collateral is the best way to do that. Too many people believe the collectivist / keynesian economic models. Look where that has gotten the world - banksters want to take risky gambles on worthless derivatives and get public to pay for their losses. Too many traders want the same. They look for easiest way to make a profit at the expense of the many. Will they ever learn? idk, but if so it seems a slow process to overcome greed and the falacy that shifting responsibility onto others is not harmful to all.
Well Said!
AP
Alex Pu23:07:45 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ThomasFreedman
Stupid? Stupid is not learning from the mistakes of the past. Collateral is self insurance as Cryptick said. Problem is iresponsible people want others to cover their losses. It's essentally greed of the few at the expense of the many. The rules need to provide saftey in the least expensive manor that is fair to all. They should also encourage responsibilty, not subsidize foolish gambling losses. Self insurance thru collateral is the best way to do that. Too many people believe the collectivist / keynesian economic models. Look where that has gotten the world - banksters want to take risky gambles on worthless derivatives and get public to pay for their losses. Too many traders want the same. They look for easiest way to make a profit at the expense of the many. Will they ever learn? idk, but if so it seems a slow process to overcome greed and the falacy that shifting responsibility onto others is not harmful to all.
I agree with you, I just described it from the point of view of an investor or a trader that the loss should not be infinite (and the constant addition of collateral is a constant increase in the total amount of risk in the Black Swan case). Alas, all people will never behave super rationally, there are always those on the market who benefit from the current situation.
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Alex Pu23:11:14 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Perhaps, if everyone behaved super-reasonably, then all the markets of the world would become unnecessary junk, because there would be no one who loses and finances the banquet
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Thomas Freedman23:23:20 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I do see your point about the risk to collateral of the responsible during a black swan. We need to implement a better system than is currently in place. I don't know anyone that believes the current system is fair in that regard, and I don't know why a better system hasn't been implemented yet. It has been discussed many times, by @abit on forum most recently. Not sure where difficulty is.
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funkit23:32:14 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
All this can be addressed easily by increased use and buyers/sellers ready to mop up the excesses. The smart coin system is in itself good but it is only effective with great liquidity. This liquidity can be automated by locking up a certain amount of bts which the user then selects which asset it will be traded against. Of course such a mechanism has to be built, but I think it is a simple task. I have thought of this for a while and I might get the time now to sketch it out.
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Thomas Freedman23:40:23 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
That would be good. Please take a stab at writing a BSIP to capture your ideas. It will help to formalize your idea and describe it to others in a manor the community and dev team can understand and act on.
TC
Taylor Click23:42:57 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Could an admin, or someone from the business development team, please contact me.
TF
Thomas Freedman23:48:26 - 13 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Not how things are done here, sorry.
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N00:43:59 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Wow, this year a lot of USD-pegged coin was issued and I think it is a serious concern. Just now I noticed that TrueUSD pairs has great buy walls. I just thought that maybesomeone was overprinting this pegged isd coins to get Btc and altcoins 😱
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Cryptick Cryptick00:52:23 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yeah, There are a lot of coins out there. Some are trusted some are not. I do wonder what some of those other coins are doing that we have not done. Are there lessons we as a community should copy or implement?
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kennybll01:18:29 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What does Assert Exception: !_bitasset_data->has_settlement(): Cannot update debt position when the asset has been globally settled mean?
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Cryptick Cryptick01:19:37 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
What does Assert Exception: !_bitasset_data->has_settlement(): Cannot update debt position when the asset has been globally settled mean?
BItUSD is in global settlement.
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kennybll01:19:51 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I don't know what that means?
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Cryptick Cryptick01:20:49 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
What does Assert Exception: !_bitasset_data->has_settlement(): Cannot update debt position when the asset has been globally settled mean?
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@bitshares.fdn/how-global-settlements-work
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Cryptick Cryptick01:21:23 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So no new creation of BitUSD untill they are revived.
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kennybll01:21:23 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Okay thanks :)
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Permie01:22:05 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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kennybll01:26:51 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What does it mean by "auctioned" for global settlement
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Cryptick Cryptick01:28:29 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Exactly what it says... So people can bid to put up more collateral. To take over existing positions.
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Cryptick Cryptick01:28:49 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I expect this to heat up when BTS raises and the action price gets close.
CC
Cryptick Cryptick01:29:15 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
search on steemit... there are some other articles that expalin the process.
CC
Cryptick Cryptick01:29:32 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And also is an explaination on teh websites and in the docs
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kennybll01:29:44 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yep just saw and you can't do it currently in the gui's right?
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Cryptick Cryptick01:31:29 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
Yep just saw and you can't do it currently in the gui's right?
wrong. It is available in the developers portal. (note the url...) https://develop.bitshares.org/#/asset/USD/
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kennybll01:31:56 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Okay thanks :)
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Mick [BTS][eostalk.io]03:39:39 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ThomasFreedman
Stupid? Stupid is not learning from the mistakes of the past. Collateral is self insurance as Cryptick said. Problem is iresponsible people want others to cover their losses. It's essentally greed of the few at the expense of the many. The rules need to provide saftey in the least expensive manor that is fair to all. They should also encourage responsibilty, not subsidize foolish gambling losses. Self insurance thru collateral is the best way to do that. Too many people believe the collectivist / keynesian economic models. Look where that has gotten the world - banksters want to take risky gambles on worthless derivatives and get public to pay for their losses. Too many traders want the same. They look for easiest way to make a profit at the expense of the many. Will they ever learn? idk, but if so it seems a slow process to overcome greed and the falacy that shifting responsibility onto others is not harmful to all.
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fav06:08:56 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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Bella rose10:26:19 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Can someone tell me what’s happening to the market. It’s dumping or pumping??🤷‍♀️
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Fabian Schuh10:27:17 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
it's doing both .... at the same time!
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fractalnode10:28:02 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
why we do not have a link to online reference wallet on our main site? https://bitshares.org/
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fractalnode10:29:26 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
are they political matters?
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K C10:44:35 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/lemuel254/status/1073495768076640257
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K C10:44:50 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
how can we that much under the radar:(
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R10:46:33 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
freaz
how can we that much be under the radar:(
They have us listed as gold certified project, so it's not binance just that tweeter that's misinformed
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Alex M - clockwork11:06:31 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
fractalnode
why we do not have a link to online reference wallet on our main site? https://bitshares.org/
it's under Native Dapps -> DEX
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Alex M - clockwork11:08:17 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
not political..I think it's part of legal clarifications and drivign hoem the udnerstandign that teh BitShares platform as a blockchain and the DEX functionality are 2 different things
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fractalnode11:14:33 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
okay, I understand
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fractalnode11:21:56 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
but anyway, the distinction between "download" and "About → Native dApps → BitShares DEX" is strange for me. I think it's worth to put the On-line wallet next to the desktop application
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Nacho Cowboy11:32:50 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Did you see a post made by bitcoinnews?
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Mallow Man11:34:42 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Are you talking about these posts? https://telegra.ph/Telegram-is-Launching-a-TON-Blockchain-Platform-12-14
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Eridken Dell12:35:18 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
🌎⏳ ᴄʀʏᴘᴛᴏᴜɴɪᴛ ᴛᴇᴄʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ ⏳🌎 📊 ᴄʀʏᴛᴏᴄᴜʀʀᴇɴʏ ɪs ᴀ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀᴅᴠᴀɴᴄᴇᴅ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ,ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʟᴘ ʏᴏᴜ ɢʀᴏᴡ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ. 📉 ᴏᴜʀ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴘᴀᴄᴋᴀɢᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴ:: 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 ................................................... 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 1: ʙʀᴏɴᴢᴇ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $200 💎 ᴍɪxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $1,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 2: sɪʟᴠᴇʀ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $3,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 3: ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $5,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 4: ɢᴏʟᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $10,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴏᴜʀ ᴠɪᴘ ᴘʟᴀɴ: ᴘʟᴀᴛɪɴᴜᴍ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $20,000 💎 ᴍᴀxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: ᴜɴʟɪᴍɪᴛᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 ✅ ᴀʟʟ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥 📎Register Website:: 👇👇👇 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech ᴊᴏɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɢʀᴏᴜᴘ ᴄʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʀᴇ::👇👇👇 👇 https://t.me/joinchat/JVV7-hBjTAYkb2-_FAMucg ✅ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴏɴʟʏ ✅
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Eridken Dell12:35:53 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
🌎⏳ ᴄʀʏᴘᴛᴏᴜɴɪᴛ ᴛᴇᴄʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ ⏳🌎 📊 ᴄʀʏᴛᴏᴄᴜʀʀᴇɴʏ ɪs ᴀ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀᴅᴠᴀɴᴄᴇᴅ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ,ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʟᴘ ʏᴏᴜ ɢʀᴏᴡ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ. 📉 ᴏᴜʀ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴘᴀᴄᴋᴀɢᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴ:: 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 ................................................... 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 1: ʙʀᴏɴᴢᴇ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $200 💎 ᴍɪxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $1,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 2: sɪʟᴠᴇʀ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $3,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 3: ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $5,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 4: ɢᴏʟᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $10,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴏᴜʀ ᴠɪᴘ ᴘʟᴀɴ: ᴘʟᴀᴛɪɴᴜᴍ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $20,000 💎 ᴍᴀxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: ᴜɴʟɪᴍɪᴛᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 ✅ ᴀʟʟ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥 📎Register Website:: 👇👇👇 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech ᴊᴏɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɢʀᴏᴜᴘ ᴄʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʀᴇ::👇👇👇 👇 https://t.me/joinchat/JVV7-hBjTAYkb2-_FAMucg ✅ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴏɴʟʏ ✅
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R13:11:31 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
stubdedpvatel1984
Did you see a post made by bitcoinnews?
No, don't spam
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Michael Alexander16:32:11 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hi Guys
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Michael Alexander16:32:45 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I wanted to ask you why there was such as difference in Bitshares price now at .05 cents on the bitshares exchange versus .035 on regular exchanges?
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Crypto Kong16:35:36 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bitUSD is in global settlement, so 1 bitUSD is not worth 1 USD, this has an affect on arbitrage bots and youll probably find that the difference in price of bitUSD to USD is the amount that the price varies of BTS on DEX to CEX markets
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Crypto Kong16:36:10 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitusd/
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Crypto Kong16:36:23 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
as you can see here, 1 bitUSD is worth 70 cents
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Crypto Kong16:37:21 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
0.0507 (dex price) * 0.70 = 0.035 (approx cex price)
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Michael Alexander16:37:37 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Got it wow, it really went down
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Michael Alexander16:38:15 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I thought it was more of a stable coin
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Crypto Kong16:38:23 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
until the asset is revived it will be like this, or until cex price gets closer to the GS price of 0.0511
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Michael Alexander16:38:39 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
what is CEX?
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Crypto Kong16:38:43 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
realcoinsider
I thought it was more of a stable coin
normally yes but global settlement happened
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Crypto Kong16:38:53 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
centralised exchange
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Crypto Kong16:38:57 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
like binance
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Crypto Kong16:39:00 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
or coinbase
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Michael Alexander16:39:18 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
what is GS?
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Crypto Kong16:39:32 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
global settlement
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Michael Alexander16:39:47 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
got it. so bitUSD really took a hit
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Michael Alexander16:40:06 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
then if someone is holding BitUSD it's like holding a crypto?
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R16:44:16 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Well it's a cryptoasset
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nutela17:18:41 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Damn that’s some nice animations in the GUI app 👌
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nutela17:25:16 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Is the documentation WP done yet?
JP
Jam PR17:37:10 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
DEXBot WP2 is live on the blockchain "DEXBot WP2 - Liquidity for the DEX" Please vote! To read the proposal details, please visit https://www.dexbot.info/2018/12/12/Cabinet-multisig-DEXBot-wp2/
how do i find that item? i looked under workers in the voting section?
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nutela17:42:54 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
jambitshares
how do i find that item? i looked under workers in the voting section?
Did you look at Proposed? But I heard there were not enough votes so it could also be in expired? Not sure
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Jam PR17:43:25 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Did you look at Proposed? But I heard there were not enough votes so it could also be in expired? Not sure
i found it in proposed ... i'm blind
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nutela17:43:43 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
jambitshares
i found it in proposed ... i'm blind
Great I’ll vote on it too, thanks 👍
JP
Jam PR17:43:53 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Did you look at Proposed? But I heard there were not enough votes so it could also be in expired? Not sure
do you know where to see how many votes your account is good for?
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nutela17:44:52 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
jambitshares
do you know where to see how many votes your account is good for?
Isn’t it 1 token 1 vote as in EOS?
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Jam PR17:46:17 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Isn’t it 1 token 1 vote as in EOS?
1 BTS? what if your bts is tied up in an open order?
JP
Jam PR17:47:05 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Isn’t it 1 token 1 vote as in EOS?
does it matter how many of those proposals that one votes for?
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nutela17:47:25 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
jambitshares
1 BTS? what if your bts is tied up in an open order?
Yes, about the open order well I don’t know good question!
JP
Jam PR17:48:29 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
lol, and then does the weight of your vote change as you trade in and out of bts?
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nutela17:49:37 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Well I guess it all depends on the BTS you have at the moment of voting, those votes are counted in the blockchain
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JonnyB17:56:03 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
why we should consider using btc as collateral https://twitter.com/_Kevin_Pham/status/1073634890703224833
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Jam PR18:15:01 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Mylimbsarelong
why we should consider using btc as collateral https://twitter.com/_Kevin_Pham/status/1073634890703224833
part of the problem was still due to the fact that there was nothing in the smart contracts to force bitUSD holders to buy into the margin call sell walls ... that's why the sell walls kept dropping past safe collateral margins. A fully robust pegged asset design will force a matched trade in the margin call. if we are gauranteeing some sort of squeeze protection price for the borrowers, then somebody has to pay for that. Holders of the bitAssets need to have their funds tied into a smart contract that will force them to close out their position when/if there is a margin call on the account that spawned their particular bitAssets. So, to keep track of everything and package up the investment in a form that typical investors can understand, it makes more sense to create options contracts rather than a pegged asset labeled 'bitUSD'. Basically investors bet (long) or (short) ... and how much they can make simply depends on how much collateral they are willing to lock into the contract.
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Jam PR18:19:49 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Mylimbsarelong
why we should consider using btc as collateral https://twitter.com/_Kevin_Pham/status/1073634890703224833
once the internal to Bitshares platform options market is stable and liquid ... then people can create 'bitUSD' type assets backed by options on BTS or open.BTC or whatever
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nutela18:27:52 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Is there a hangout tomorrow?
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Stefan19:11:50 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Damn that’s some nice animations in the GUI app 👌
What are you referring to?
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nutela19:15:08 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
What are you referring to?
The personalize modal window 🙂
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nutela19:27:36 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Didn’t realize BTS price was actually much lower because bitUSD lost it’s peg 😂
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Pero Anik19:45:34 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
hi!
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Pero Anik19:45:40 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Quick qouestion:
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Pero Anik19:46:16 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Is it possible to make "stealth" orders?Orders that won appear on any bitshares block explorers?
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fractalnode19:51:51 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
yes, but you have to have at least "black belt" in BitShares xD
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Ozer19:57:08 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hello Guys. Is there anyone who can help me to get some test coin ? My account is sdfgsdfg34
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Pero Anik19:58:05 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What do you mean by chosen one?Can it be done or not?
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fractalnode20:02:32 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
pero009
What do you mean by chosen one?Can it be done or not?
you can but you must have a lot of knowledge
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fractalnode20:03:48 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
there is an option in the CLI wallet and a very old beta version of the GUI wallet
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fractalnode20:04:30 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@vikx/anonymity-and-decentralization-an-application-for-the-stealth-hidden-transactions-of-the-graphene-bitshares-steem
CP
Coin Prince20:08:49 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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Pero Anik20:09:03 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Great!ty for info. :)
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fractalnode20:09:26 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
there are people who know how to do it and use it on a daily basis
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fractalnode20:09:50 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
pero009
Great!ty for info. :)
try with some shittoken first
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Pero Anik20:11:45 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It would be nice to add this abilty to do stealth trading to normal accounts,just by clicking the option.I guess that this option would attract some people to bts dex.
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Pero Anik20:12:49 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Maby not some nice people but...many would start to lounder money here. lol :D
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fractalnode20:15:06 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
pero009
Maby not some nice people but...many would start to lounder money here. lol :D
you have a rape tool in your trousers but it depends on you if you are a rapist
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Pero Anik20:16:12 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Good point. :)
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Pero Anik20:17:41 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I can see some users trading,but on block explorer this users don't have any assets,at least they don't appear under block explorer.Are they hidden or what?
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nutela20:17:59 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
fractalnode
you have a rape tool in your trousers but it depends on you if you are a rapist if you do, you will go to prison but you can have this tool
My God I was like WTF?! 😂 All good 👌
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fractalnode20:20:58 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I remember that kencode has been making a wallet with this feature since 2016, but he has not yet been able to finish it. A conspiracy theory would be useful for this
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fractalnode20:25:53 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
^ stealth dev has slowed down in the meantime from what Ken was saying
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Alex M - clockwork20:36:03 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
At it's current state and usage it's hardly anonymous
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)20:36:32 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I suggest to keep up to date on the BSIP efforts of 50-55:
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Alex M - clockwork20:37:21 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ryanRfox
I suggest to keep up to date on the BSIP efforts of 50-55:
Has core taken over funding for Chris's efforts?
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Alex M - clockwork20:38:39 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
essentially you are suggesting we treat bitAssets as algorithmic stablecoins (their valued based only on supply/demand)
Basis' downfall a short while after this explains why I think they're terrible
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)20:38:48 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Core Team worker funds multiple BSIP drafting efforts, including Christopher's Stealth Phase II drafts. Start with BSIP53
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Alex M - clockwork20:39:00 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Core Team worker funds multiple BSIP drafting efforts, including Christopher's Stealth Phase II drafts. Start with BSIP53
Awesome
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fractalnode20:46:13 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ryanRfox
I suggest to keep up to date on the BSIP efforts of 50-55:
I'm sorry I did not scroll the page far enough last time. These are great news!
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nutela20:52:07 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hey guys is there any interesting work needed to be done? I saw docs aren’t done?
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nutela20:52:24 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Wanted to try to help you out and slowly get into into.
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)21:04:17 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Please take a look at a few of the recent BSIPs and add your review in the comments. We want rapidly bring these drafts into final specifications: Market Fee Backed Asset (MFBA): https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/123 Dynamic Market Fees: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/130
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nutela21:05:53 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Please take a look at a few of the recent BSIPs and add your review in the comments. We want rapidly bring these drafts into final specifications: Market Fee Backed Asset (MFBA): https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/123 Dynamic Market Fees: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/130
Cool, thanks Ryan!
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Ryan R. Fox (BitShares Core)21:20:12 - 14 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Also, review the URI spec that just came thru: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/131
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Permie00:29:19 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Did you look at Proposed? But I heard there were not enough votes so it could also be in expired? Not sure
DEXBot WP 1 doesn't expire until 31st December DEXBot WP2, the newly announced WP, won't start until 1st of jan But can be voted in before that date to make sure there's a smooth transition :)
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Permie00:31:30 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
pero009
What do you mean by chosen one?Can it be done or not?
Search for citadel Bitshares wallet
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Michael Alexander00:58:21 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Can anyone get me some info why bitUSD lost its peg?
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Michael Alexander00:58:36 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
If it did or what is the state of bitUSD?
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R01:21:29 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
realcoinsider
If it did or what is the state of bitUSD?
It did, there's a global settlement pool at the gs value which you can settle for. When the price of bts recovers it'll auto revive
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Michael Alexander01:27:18 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So bitUSD adjusts to BTS prices? Is there a write up on this?
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Michael Alexander01:28:45 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Also is there roadmap for the development of Bitshares DEX? How will it compete against others new DEX’s like Binance?
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R02:47:00 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
realcoinsider
Also is there roadmap for the development of Bitshares DEX? How will it compete against others new DEX’s like Binance?
Bitshares has been in production for years, binance is new so not nearly as battle hardened
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R02:47:29 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
realcoinsider
So bitUSD adjusts to BTS prices? Is there a write up on this?
There's plenty of bitasset/market-pegged-asset info on the Bitshares wikis 👍
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Cifer05:44:25 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hello, can you open https://wallet.bitshares.org/?
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Ross Walker06:09:19 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
mantianyu
Hello, can you open https://wallet.bitshares.org/?
Not on a smartphone no, PC no problems. You can also try staging.bitshares.org if other one is having unusual behaviours
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Cifer06:21:55 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
rosswlkr
Not on a smartphone no, PC no problems. You can also try staging.bitshares.org if other one is having unusual behaviours
I have downloaded a desktop edition and it also works fine, thanks anyway :)
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Ross Walker06:22:43 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
👍
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Christian Olsen09:40:55 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
fractalnode
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@vikx/anonymity-and-decentralization-an-application-for-the-stealth-hidden-transactions-of-the-graphene-bitshares-steem
Does stealth tx already work?
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Christian Olsen09:42:29 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I thought that feature was being created right now @kencode am i wrong
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Stefan09:45:05 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Christian Olsen
Does stealth tx already work?
It is supported in the backend, but there is no UI for it.
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Christian Olsen09:45:08 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
@kencode disregard my question it was answered above
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Christian Olsen09:45:26 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
It is supported in the backend, but there is no UI for it.
Thanks stefan 🙂
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Christian Olsen09:47:51 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
i would love that feature i think that i could sell that to regular people
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Alex M - clockwork10:01:24 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Christian Olsen
I thought that feature was being created right now @kencode am i wrong
it works...just not as secure/anonymous as it could be and lacking a few features....
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Christian Olsen10:04:02 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
it works...just not as secure/anonymous as it could be and lacking a few features....
Ok well im stoked about this. I thought the feature was years down the road
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Alex M - clockwork11:51:47 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
speaking of features
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Alex M - clockwork11:51:48 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/subbyjr/status/1073908008344805376
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Crypto Kong12:04:30 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
👍
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Crypto Kong12:04:41 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Good news
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Dima BLCKCHND12:05:28 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
https://twitter.com/subbyjr/status/1073908008344805376
👍👍👍
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nutela12:40:13 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
It did, there's a global settlement pool at the gs value which you can settle for. When the price of bts recovers it'll auto revive
I bet it is going to be months for the markets to recover. If payment providers like PalmPay used bitUSD what are they going to do? USD is the worlds reserve currency thus most stable. Question is what is BitShares worth without it?
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:40:43 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
https://twitter.com/subbyjr/status/1073908008344805376
👍
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R12:41:34 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
I bet it is going to be months for the markets to recover. If payment providers like PalmPay used bitUSD what are they going to do? USD is the worlds reserve currency thus most stable. Question is what is BitShares worth without it?
It's one of many bitassets, just switch bitasset if you need the ability to borrow using bts. Plus bitusd are still usable/transferable just partially backed, so use as normal but account for a lesser value. Bitshares is bigger than any one bitasset.
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nutela12:42:11 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
https://twitter.com/subbyjr/status/1073908008344805376
Are deposits and withdrawals evidenced on the blockchain?
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nutela12:43:28 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
It's one of many bitassets, just switch bitasset if you need the ability to borrow using bts. Plus bitusd are still usable/transferable just partially backed, so use as normal but account for a lesser value. Bitshares is bigger than any one bitasset.
I disagree but it is not just your answer I'm worried about but in general about payments. It's just you reminded me 🤗
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nutela12:47:25 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Look at Venezuela or Argentina, they would be using bitUSD instead of bitCNY or bitEUR because it’s closer to them. You have to think about marketing to you know… Not all people are genius like us here, where are a standard dev away from the mean, well most of us 😂
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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪12:49:55 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Mylimbsarelong
i'm buying bitcoin and bitshares again
plz that's what everyone should do.. buy half btc half your fav alt.. i.e BTS.. if people only buy alt coins.. buying power gets lost
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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪12:50:33 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if everyone does that, this prevents shit coins from poisoning the well.
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C.P. Bentley Pixel 🇧🇪12:51:46 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
i have been knife catching BTC only... will buy alts later after consolidation
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Alex M - clockwork12:52:32 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Look at Venezuela or Argentina, they would be using bitUSD instead of bitCNY or bitEUR because it’s closer to them. You have to think about marketing to you know… Not all people are genius like us here, where are a standard dev away from the mean, well most of us 😂
Speaking of Argentina, I revived bitARS
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R12:54:01 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Look at Venezuela or Argentina, they would be using bitUSD instead of bitCNY or bitEUR because it’s closer to them. You have to think about marketing to you know… Not all people are genius like us here, where are a standard dev away from the mean, well most of us 😂
95% collateral is still superior to 0% collateral with traditional fiat. Everything still works for payments, the end user would just have to pay more given the lesser value bitasset.
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nutela12:54:05 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Speaking of Argentina, I revived bitARS
Cool 👍but still you could argue they’d rather trade in bitUSD?
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nutela12:54:15 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What do you guys think?
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R12:54:38 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
What do you guys think?
No idea, never met an Argentinian.
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nutela12:54:41 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
95% collateral is still superior to 0% collateral with traditional fiat. Everything still works for payments, the end user would just have to pay more given the lesser value bitasset.
OK fair enough but man.. it looks ugly
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nutela12:54:47 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
No idea, never met an Argentinian.
LOL
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R12:54:53 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
OK fair enough but man.. it looks ugly
So switch to a non gs bitasset, simple.
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R12:55:45 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Marketing wise, market bitshares not bitusd right now? Lol
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nutela12:55:50 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
So switch to a non gs bitasset, simple.
Sure man, like USD is the most used currency but whatever we are all geeks so just use bitCNY and recalculate all your prices in your shop. Be a geek dude! :jo
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nutela12:56:41 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Marketing wise, market bitshares not bitusd right now? Lol
Yeah right, wasn’t like stablecoins TEH feauture of BitShares?
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R12:56:50 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Sure man, like USD is the most used currency but whatever we are all geeks so just use bitCNY and recalculate all your prices in your shop. Be a geek dude! 😂
It's what they'd do with their fiat currency if it was volatile. Besides why make up a argument like this?
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R12:57:09 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Yeah right, wasn’t like stablecoins TEH feauture of BitShares?
No. Its one of the features, but there are far more features than just bitassets.
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nutela12:57:38 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
No. Its one of the features, but there are far more features than just bitassets.
So you think people will not frown upon this?
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R12:58:06 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So you think people will not frown upon this?
Idgaf what imaginary people think. They'll likely use non collateralized tokens and end up rekt.
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nutela12:58:20 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Seriously what would you do if you encountered a project which had stable coins and could be used for payments but yeah the MOST used was eeuh broken 😂
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nutela12:58:54 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Idgaf what imaginary people think. They'll likely use non collateralized tokens and end up rekt.
OK nevermind then. Asking the wrong guy 😂
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R12:59:00 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Seriously what would you do if you encountered a project which had stable coins and could be used for payments but yeah the MOST used was eeuh broken 😂
Eeuh? Nothing bar borrowing is 'broken'.
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nutela12:59:35 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Eeuh? Nothing bar borrowing is 'broken'.
SIgh.. any idea about marketing? 😂
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R13:00:21 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
SIgh.. any idea about marketing? 😂
Not a marketer. But fake scenarios aren't appealing to discuss.
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R13:00:49 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Use hertz if you miss usd
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R13:00:50 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Lol
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nutela13:01:11 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Not a marketer. But fake scenarios aren't appealing to discuss.
So PalmPay should just recalculate prices?
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R13:01:21 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So PalmPay should just recalculate prices?
Yes.
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nutela13:01:47 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Yes.
OK, fair enough. Solved then. 👌
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Alex M - clockwork13:10:36 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Seriously what would you do if you encountered a project which had stable coins and could be used for payments but yeah the MOST used was eeuh broken 😂
most used was ALWAYS bitCNY....bitUSD is listed nowhere outside the dex
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nutela13:11:34 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bitUSD wasn’t ever on any CEX?
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Omar13:24:04 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I got liquidated tonight
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Omar13:24:30 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But i don't understand why everything is showing like settled in one single transaction
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Omar13:25:25 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
My collateral ratio was 1.19 i mean above many others
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Alex M - clockwork14:03:07 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
not settled
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Alex M - clockwork14:03:14 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
someoen bought your margin call
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Alex M - clockwork14:03:51 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
http://cryptofresh.com/b/33113054
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Alex M - clockwork14:03:57 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bts-scotter to be exact
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R14:04:23 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
paathi
My collateral ratio was 1.19 i mean above many others
below the mcr, no?
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nutela14:09:28 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Are there no hangouts on Discord anymore?
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Omar14:13:43 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
someoen bought your margin call
Maybe that's what happened
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Alex M - clockwork14:20:54 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It is
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Alex M - clockwork14:21:02 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
See the link
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Omar14:23:55 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Well that was fun as long as it lasted
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Georgy14:53:25 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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Kevin17:29:00 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Here's a decent discussion about the recent GS of bitUSD. If anyone has something to add please feel free to do so. https://twitter.com/myles_snider/status/1073649095510765569
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nutela17:41:29 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Kimchiking
Here's a decent discussion about the recent GS of bitUSD. If anyone has something to add please feel free to do so. https://twitter.com/myles_snider/status/1073649095510765569
Oh pretty good to read this, thanks!
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Sh0dan Crypto17:45:29 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hello. Can anybody tell me why the "download history as csv" function of the Bitshares client is giving me the error "Failed to download the account history, please try again"?
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Mick [BTS][eostalk.io]17:49:13 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Kimchiking
Here's a decent discussion about the recent GS of bitUSD. If anyone has something to add please feel free to do so. https://twitter.com/myles_snider/status/1073649095510765569
Guess I have to login to see any Bts people responses?
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nutela17:51:32 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cool https://stablecoinindex.com
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nutela18:14:31 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Please take a look at a few of the recent BSIPs and add your review in the comments. We want rapidly bring these drafts into final specifications: Market Fee Backed Asset (MFBA): https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/123 Dynamic Market Fees: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/130
So there aren’t even “Refine User Stories / Requirements”? I’d start with that first...
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Slavi La Libertad18:17:30 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Cool https://stablecoinindex.com
Need to add biteur there. 😄
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nutela18:18:27 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
memset
Need to add biteur there. 😄
Oh that has liquidity, bit CNY would be better.
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nutela18:19:13 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ryanRfox
Please take a look at a few of the recent BSIPs and add your review in the comments. We want rapidly bring these drafts into final specifications: Market Fee Backed Asset (MFBA): https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/123 Dynamic Market Fees: https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/130
And my first impression is it would make sense for assets like $ZEPH but I’m not sure.
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funkit20:47:57 - 15 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Sh0dan Crypto
Hello. Can anybody tell me why the "download history as csv" function of the Bitshares client is giving me the error "Failed to download the account history, please try again"?
It's not connected. I was able to download it at developer.bitshares.org Just log in there and you should be able to retrieve it.
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Flora Milk02:44:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
🌎⏳ ᴄʀʏᴘᴛᴏᴜɴɪᴛ ᴛᴇᴄʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ ⏳🌎 📊 ᴄʀʏᴛᴏᴄᴜʀʀᴇɴʏ ɪs ᴀ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀᴅᴠᴀɴᴄᴇᴅ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ,ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʟᴘ ʏᴏᴜ ɢʀᴏᴡ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ. 📉 ᴏᴜʀ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴘᴀᴄᴋᴀɢᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴ:: 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 ................................................... 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 1: ʙʀᴏɴᴢᴇ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $50 💎 ᴍɪxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $1,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 2: sɪʟᴠᴇʀ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $3,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 3: ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $5,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 4: ɢᴏʟᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $10,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴏᴜʀ ᴠɪᴘ ᴘʟᴀɴ: ᴘʟᴀᴛɪɴᴜᴍ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $20,000 💎 ᴍᴀxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: ᴜɴʟɪᴍɪᴛᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 ✅ ᴀʟʟ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥 📎Register Website:: 👇👇👇 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech ᴊᴏɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɢʀᴏᴜᴘ ᴄʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʀᴇ::👇👇👇 👇 https://t.me/joinchat/LHxCBlR2QcIi11PPf0SdOg ✅ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴏɴʟʏ ✅
FM
Flora Milk02:44:32 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
🌎⏳ ᴄʀʏᴘᴛᴏᴜɴɪᴛ ᴛᴇᴄʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ ⏳🌎 📊 ᴄʀʏᴛᴏᴄᴜʀʀᴇɴʏ ɪs ᴀ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀᴅᴠᴀɴᴄᴇᴅ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ,ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʟᴘ ʏᴏᴜ ɢʀᴏᴡ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ. 📉 ᴏᴜʀ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴘᴀᴄᴋᴀɢᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴ:: 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 ................................................... 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 1: ʙʀᴏɴᴢᴇ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $50 💎 ᴍɪxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $1,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 2: sɪʟᴠᴇʀ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $3,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 3: ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $5,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 4: ɢᴏʟᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $10,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴏᴜʀ ᴠɪᴘ ᴘʟᴀɴ: ᴘʟᴀᴛɪɴᴜᴍ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $20,000 💎 ᴍᴀxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: ᴜɴʟɪᴍɪᴛᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 ✅ ᴀʟʟ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥 📎Register Website:: 👇👇👇 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech ᴊᴏɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɢʀᴏᴜᴘ ᴄʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʀᴇ::👇👇👇 👇 https://t.me/joinchat/LHxCBlR2QcIi11PPf0SdOg ✅ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴏɴʟʏ ✅
FM
Flora Milk02:44:45 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Sh0dan Crypto
Hello. Can anybody tell me why the "download history as csv" function of the Bitshares client is giving me the error "Failed to download the account history, please try again"?
🌎⏳ ᴄʀʏᴘᴛᴏᴜɴɪᴛ ᴛᴇᴄʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ ⏳🌎 📊 ᴄʀʏᴛᴏᴄᴜʀʀᴇɴʏ ɪs ᴀ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀᴅᴠᴀɴᴄᴇᴅ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ,ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʟᴘ ʏᴏᴜ ɢʀᴏᴡ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ. 📉 ᴏᴜʀ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴘᴀᴄᴋᴀɢᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴ:: 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 ................................................... 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 1: ʙʀᴏɴᴢᴇ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $50 💎 ᴍɪxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $1,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 2: sɪʟᴠᴇʀ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $3,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 3: ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $5,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 4: ɢᴏʟᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $10,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴏᴜʀ ᴠɪᴘ ᴘʟᴀɴ: ᴘʟᴀᴛɪɴᴜᴍ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $20,000 💎 ᴍᴀxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: ᴜɴʟɪᴍɪᴛᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 ✅ ᴀʟʟ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥 📎Register Website:: 👇👇👇 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech ᴊᴏɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɢʀᴏᴜᴘ ᴄʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʀᴇ::👇👇👇 👇 https://t.me/joinchat/LHxCBlR2QcIi11PPf0SdOg ✅ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴏɴʟʏ ✅
FM
Flora Milk02:44:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Ok
FM
Flora Milk02:44:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Crytounit.tech
DC
Don Chate05:16:05 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Any idea why you'd get "Invalid Address" when trying to withdraw BTC
K
kennybll05:20:19 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hey community, what do you think would be the best way to help Bitshares currently? For example certain workers, projects, etc?
G
Gilgamesh07:42:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
how many days do assets spend in GS if they don't recover naturally? is there a time limit? bitUSD could be restored if global settlement was done automatically after time period to burn all existing bitUSD as its replaced with BTS and just restart the market. asset downtime has like no utility.
FM
Flora Milk08:50:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
🌎⏳ ᴄʀʏᴘᴛᴏᴜɴɪᴛ ᴛᴇᴄʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ ⏳🌎 📊 ᴄʀʏᴛᴏᴄᴜʀʀᴇɴʏ ɪs ᴀ ʟᴇɢɪᴛ ᴀɴᴅ ᴀᴅᴠᴀɴᴄᴇᴅ ᴘʟᴀᴛғᴏʀᴍ,ᴛʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʟᴘ ʏᴏᴜ ɢʀᴏᴡ ʏᴏᴜʀ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ. 📉 ᴏᴜʀ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴘᴀᴄᴋᴀɢᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴ:: 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 ................................................... 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 1: ʙʀᴏɴᴢᴇ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $50 💎 ᴍɪxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $1,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 2: sɪʟᴠᴇʀ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $3,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 3: ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $5,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴘʟᴀɴ 4: ɢᴏʟᴅ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $10,000 💎 ᴘᴀʏᴍᴇɴᴛs ᴏᴘᴛɪᴏɴs: 🏦 ᴏɴʟʏ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ... ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 💸ᴏᴜʀ ᴠɪᴘ ᴘʟᴀɴ: ᴘʟᴀᴛɪɴᴜᴍ 💎 ᴍɪɴɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: $20,000 💎 ᴍᴀxɪɴᴠᴇsᴛ: ᴜɴʟɪᴍɪᴛᴇᴅ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥🔥 ✅ ᴀʟʟ ᴡɪᴛʜᴅʀᴀᴡᴀʟ ɪs ɪɴsᴛᴀɴᴛ 🔥 📎Register Website:: 👇👇👇 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech 👉👉👉👉 www.crytounit.tech ᴊᴏɪɴ ᴏᴜʀ ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ɢʀᴏᴜᴘ ᴄʜᴀᴛ ʜᴇʀᴇ::👇👇👇 👇 https://t.me/joinchat/LHxCBlR2QcIi11PPf0SdOg ✅ ᴀᴄᴄᴇᴘᴛᴀʙʟᴇ ʙɪᴛᴄᴏɪɴ ᴏɴʟʏ ✅
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Flora Milk08:51:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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Flora Milk08:51:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Ok
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nutela10:19:52 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
Hey community, what do you think would be the best way to help Bitshares currently? For example certain workers, projects, etc?
They sure want people for Dexbot..
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nutela10:20:17 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
DrSpikeSpiegel
how many days do assets spend in GS if they don't recover naturally? is there a time limit? bitUSD could be restored if global settlement was done automatically after time period to burn all existing bitUSD as its replaced with BTS and just restart the market. asset downtime has like no utility.
I agree!
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Permie11:08:43 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
They sure want people for Dexbot..
👍👍
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nutela11:08:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
😉
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Permie11:11:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://www.dexbot.info/2018/12/12/Cabinet-multisig-DEXBot-wp2/
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R11:31:56 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
DrSpikeSpiegel
how many days do assets spend in GS if they don't recover naturally? is there a time limit? bitUSD could be restored if global settlement was done automatically after time period to burn all existing bitUSD as its replaced with BTS and just restart the market. asset downtime has like no utility.
There's no time limit, either bitusd supply goes to 0 or bts price recovers to reactivate borrowing bitusd. You can't force burn the usd, either use a different bitasset or do your part and buy bts :p
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nutela11:53:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
There's no time limit, either bitusd supply goes to 0 or bts price recovers to reactivate borrowing bitusd. You can't force burn the usd, either use a different bitasset or do your part and buy bts :p
How much BTS needs to be bought? Was it around 7M?
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R11:54:45 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
How much BTS needs to be bought? Was it around 7M?
Enough to raise the bts price above usd gs rates. So if you could just like double or triple the market trading rate of bts that would be great 👍
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nutela11:57:07 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Enough to raise the bts price above usd gs rates. So if you could just like double or triple the market trading rate of bts that would be great 👍
OK so we are on the same line then… Well, we can put up a huge buy order and see if the market bites but I wouldn’t count on it 😉 That said, it’s not a terribly bad idea… 🤔
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nutela12:00:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But if the BTS price would fall again, bitUSD would lose it’s peg too right? In retrospect I am thinking why wasn’t the undercollatorlized bitUSD burned?
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R12:01:53 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
But if the BTS price would fall again, bitUSD would lose it’s peg too right? In retrospect I am thinking why wasn’t the undercollateralized bitUSD burned?
Because nobody but the owner of the bitusd has the right to do that. You can't seize bitassets just because shorters failed to gamble correctly.
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nutela12:02:13 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Because nobody but the owner of the bitusd has the right to do that. You can't seize bitassets just because shorters failed to gamble correctly.
Right..
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nutela12:03:16 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What do BTS holders get for others to have bitUSD?
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R12:03:20 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But yeah, a temp increase would be a temp fix, if the price of bts dropped again we'd be in the same situation
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nutela12:08:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So I see __vesting__ http://docs.bitshares.org/bitshares/user/vesting.html isn’t that a similar to the MFBA https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/123
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R13:30:29 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So I see vesting http://docs.bitshares.org/bitshares/user/vesting.html isn’t that a similar idea to the MFBA? https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/123
Don't think so, no
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Permie13:38:16 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
How much BTS needs to be bought? Was it around 7M?
$7m bitUSD needs to be "settled" to repay the outstanding debt and allow bitUSD to revive starting with 0 bitUSD supply OR The price of bts needs to rise to ~$0.12 at which point the collateral backing the remaining bitUSD will be sufficient (1.75x)
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R13:40:20 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
$7m bitUSD needs to be "settled" to repay the outstanding debt and allow bitUSD to revive starting with 0 bitUSD supply OR The price of bts needs to rise to ~$0.12 at which point the collateral backing the remaining bitUSD will be sufficient (1.75x)
The later is the only possibility.
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R13:40:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Given that bitusd will have been burned or be in the hands of dead users
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Permie13:40:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
If all bitUSD is settled then what's the problem? There's no debt so there's no need for collateral Therefore bitUSD can state over?
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Permie13:41:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
If there's only ~$100k bitUSD unsettled then the bidding on the debt should be sufficient shouldn't it?
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R13:41:28 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
If all bitUSD is settled then what's the problem? There's no debt so there's no need for collateral Therefore bitUSD can state over?
Only margin positions were closed. There's insufficient collateral, once the collateral covers the issued bitusd it'll reactivate.
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Permie13:41:49 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
$7m bitUSD needs to be "settled" to repay the outstanding debt and allow bitUSD to revive starting with 0 bitUSD supply OR The price of bts needs to rise to ~$0.12 at which point the collateral backing the remaining bitUSD will be sufficient (1.75x)
So it can be a combination of the two
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R13:41:53 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
If there's only ~$100k bitUSD unsettled then the bidding on the debt should be sufficient shouldn't it?
Perhaps
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Permie13:42:27 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Bidding on the debt could turn out to be a profitable trade no?
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R13:42:31 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But reducing bitusd supply to 0 is not feasible, its either bts goes up or people place enough bids on backing collateral yeah
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R13:42:48 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
Bidding on the debt could turn out to be a profitable trade no?
Potentially yeah
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Permie13:44:09 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I worked out that if the RF spent all 400k every day bidding on the bitUSD debt it would take ~11 months to revive bitUSD without a price rise :/ So it's a private problem Can't really be solved by voters
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Permie13:45:19 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
$7mil bitUSD at $0.05/bts needs something like 250mil bts collateral :/
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R13:45:23 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I severely doubt we'll go 11 months without a price rise
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Permie13:46:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Me too I'm just saying it has to be individuals who bid on the debt Else procrastinate and hope the price rises and sorts it out
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R13:49:17 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
Me too I'm just saying it has to be individuals who bid on the debt Else procrastinate and hope the price rises and sorts it out
Could develop stuff for bitshares to help improve the price too
洋洋13:54:09 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
🙊
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nutela14:27:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
I severely doubt we'll go 11 months without a price rise
Well… let’s hope we’ll get to 12 cents / BTS soon then 👍
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Permie14:31:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Could develop stuff for bitshares to help improve the price too
Hopefully DEXBot will help somewhat
VC
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Danielle Karen15:00:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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Werhhh15:29:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
How can BTS price increase? Don't you have to buy them with bitusd? 🤪
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fav15:29:46 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
you buy bts like you buy any other crypto
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nutela16:18:35 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
favdesu
you buy bts like you buy any other crypto
I swapped them for other currencies, not sure if I'd do it again 😂
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nutela16:42:18 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Reading the Kowala white paper and their website because I wasn't sure how they'd burn tokens to not overprint the currency, I see some benefits in not having a stable coin backed by crypto. Just being open here. Regarding the MFBA idea, why not incentivize hodlers of the core currency and burning the stable coin by increasing transaction fees?
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R17:30:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Werhhh
How can BTS price increase? Don't you have to buy them with bitusd? 🤪
Increase network fees 👌
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Amaury Blais17:38:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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nutela17:39:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Increase network fees 👌
Isn't that a contradiction?
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Amaury Blais17:43:20 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I think so too
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R17:54:43 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Isn't that a contradiction?
More fees, more reason to buy bts, more bts in the reserve pool out of circulation
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funkit18:06:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
A logical fallacy. More in reserve = less use, less worth. So I run as many bots as possible to avoid price hikes. I will have to scale down if they get too costly.
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nutela18:10:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
funkit
A logical fallacy. More in reserve = less use, less worth. So I run as many bots as possible to avoid price hikes. I will have to scale down if they get too costly.
So you are market making?
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nutela18:10:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
More fees, more reason to buy bts, more bts in the reserve pool out of circulation
Who benefits from fees, not traders right? WP, witnesses and all that.
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funkit18:12:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yep
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nutela18:15:17 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
funkit
Yep
So you just make money on price fluctuations right? Have you looked at the proposal for market making? It's just that the maker is the asset holder which doesn't make sense IMHO
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R18:19:23 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Who benefits from fees, not traders right? WP, witnesses and all that.
Everyone given that bts reserves would replenish
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nutela18:22:48 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Everyone given that bts reserves would replenish
Ah like that, I see.
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Jonathan Bahai18:23:09 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I am just curious to get a read on what others might think of this.. Suppoman as most of you know has been a well known crypto YouTuber.. like him or hate him he always was positive about the future of crypto.. today though he did a 23m video explaining what he thinks is the future outlook of cryptocurrency.. it suggests anything decentralized will be declared illegal.. do others here share similar views? .. or do you believe the people will survive 'the powers that be'? https://youtu.be/p1S7Skx7yVE
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nutela18:23:41 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Can't you give it some hertz upticks? ;)
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funkit18:32:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
JBahai
I am just curious to get a read on what others might think of this.. Suppoman as most of you know has been a well known crypto YouTuber.. like him or hate him he always was positive about the future of crypto.. today though he did a 23m video explaining what he thinks is the future outlook of cryptocurrency.. it suggests anything decentralized will be declared illegal.. do others here share similar views? .. or do you believe the people will survive 'the powers that be'? https://youtu.be/p1S7Skx7yVE
Seriously, Jonathan... you should know a thing or two about Suppo... He is guaranteed looking to sell you something. Probably to salvage the disastrous coin he had or has, whatever it is.
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nutela19:13:41 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
JBahai
I am just curious to get a read on what others might think of this.. Suppoman as most of you know has been a well known crypto YouTuber.. like him or hate him he always was positive about the future of crypto.. today though he did a 23m video explaining what he thinks is the future outlook of cryptocurrency.. it suggests anything decentralized will be declared illegal.. do others here share similar views? .. or do you believe the people will survive 'the powers that be'? https://youtu.be/p1S7Skx7yVE
Better yet I know they can't do anything because it's out of their jurisdiction. I've been reading on how this works for years now and finally Anna Von Reitz described it excellently for the USA.
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nutela19:16:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Unfortunately the vast majority doesn't have a clue and will brush it off as conspiracy theory while the opposite is true. 😂 Lesson: easier to discredit then to actually look at the facts. But boy am I a happy person because I'm skeptical yet curious!
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Jonathan Bahai19:21:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
funkit
Seriously, Jonathan... you should know a thing or two about Suppo... He is guaranteed looking to sell you something. Probably to salvage the disastrous coin he had or has, whatever it is.
I was more interested thoughts on what he was saying as a future outlook.. not his personality
JB
Jonathan Bahai19:22:23 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Better yet I know they can't do anything because it's out of their jurisdiction. I've been reading on how this works for years now and finally Anna Von Reitz described it excellently for the USA.
What if g20 did?
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Christopher Sanborn19:54:05 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Don Chate
Any idea why you'd get "Invalid Address" when trying to withdraw BTC
This happened to me too when I tried to withdraw a few days ago. Were you withdrawing to a BitPay wallet by any chance?
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nutela19:56:35 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
JBahai
What if g20 did?
What about the G20?
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nutela19:56:53 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Do you know how it works? If not check her out.
JB
Jonathan Bahai19:57:44 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
What about the G20?
Suppose they all agree to all their countries making all crypto except their own illegal?
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nutela20:01:31 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
JBahai
Suppose they all agree to all their countries making all crypto except their own illegal?
My friend to my knowledge they are not governments but commercial companies. As I said look her up.
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nutela20:02:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
The can decide whatever the f the want. We have to setup our own government. Congress in the USA has been vacated since the civil war.
JB
Jonathan Bahai20:03:48 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Ok that's one take.. curious if there are others that subscribe to his future outlook though
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Artfarm Artfarm20:11:32 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Why would someone place both a buy & sell order for a coin at the same time?
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Stefan20:39:45 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
artfarmartfarm
Why would someone place both a buy & sell order for a coin at the same time?
Market making
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Artfarm Artfarm20:48:32 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Market making
what is the atvamtage for the market maker?
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nutela20:50:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
JBahai
Ok that's one take.. curious if there are others that subscribe to his future outlook though
Well I guess nobody reads… and just assumes what they learned in school but pardon my french but people who made crypto and then want regulations are idiots IMHO
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Stefan20:52:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
artfarmartfarm
what is the advantage for the market maker?
Depends. Can be for profit, or simply to have liquidity which attracts traders
JB
Jonathan Bahai20:53:39 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Well I guess nobody reads… and just assumes what they learned in school but pardon my french but people who made crypto and then want regulations are idiots IMHO
Proper public decentralized blockchains are self regulating
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Artfarm Artfarm21:05:31 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Depends. Can be for profit, or simply to have liquidity which attracts traders
It looks like some kind od gimmick to me.
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Alex M - clockwork21:06:31 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
artfarmartfarm
It looks like some kind of gimmick to me.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-a-market-maker-and-how-do-they-make-money-4053753
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Artfarm Artfarm21:12:40 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-a-market-maker-and-how-do-they-make-money-4053753
Seems like a; Wash trade A wash trade is a form of market manipulation in which an investor simultaneously sells and buys the same financial instruments to create misleading, artificial activity in the marketplace. First, an investor will place a sell order, then place a buy order to buy from himself, or vice versa. This may be done for a number of reasons...
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Alex M - clockwork21:13:15 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
wash trading is different
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nutela21:14:05 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
JBahai
Proper public decentralized blockchains are self regulating
Well, I see it is hard to setup right… and already running you get vested interests...
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Artfarm Artfarm21:14:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
wash trading is different
How so?
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nutela21:14:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Market making works well in volatility right?
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nutela21:15:39 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
artfarmartfarm
How so?
Oh it’s just pretending volume
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Alex M - clockwork21:16:55 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
A market maker places 2 maker orders on both sides
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Alex M - clockwork21:17:08 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Wash trading is acting both as maker and taker
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Artfarm Artfarm21:18:07 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So Market Making & Wash Trading are different sides of the same coin
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Alex M - clockwork21:18:22 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
No
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Alex M - clockwork21:18:31 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Completely different
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Alex M - clockwork21:18:43 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Market makers help liquidity
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Alex M - clockwork21:18:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
They won't add volume if there is no interest
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Alex M - clockwork21:19:19 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Their maker orders will just remain there indefinately
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Alex M - clockwork21:19:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Wash trading fakes volume
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nutela21:21:08 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
How do market makers make money, just on the spread?
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Artfarm Artfarm21:21:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
No
So wash trading is a forced trade & market making is a natural trade
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nutela21:21:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
artfarmartfarm
So wash trading is a forced trade & market making is a natural trade
scam trade, just to lure traders in
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Alex M - clockwork21:22:02 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
How do market makers make money, just on the spread?
Yeah
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nutela21:22:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Yeah
So no more need to inentivize?
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Alex M - clockwork21:22:41 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
scam trade, just to lure traders in
This...you lose money on the spread and fees in hope that the volume lures others
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nutela21:22:52 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What do you think of https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/130 @clockworkgr ?
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Alex M - clockwork21:22:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So no more need to inentivize?
Lower maker fees would be good
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Alex M - clockwork21:23:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
What do you think of https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/130 @clockworkgr ?
Exactly
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nutela21:23:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Exactly
Wait this is only for the UIA owner?
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Artfarm Artfarm21:23:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It seems to be a fine line between the two.
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nutela21:23:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
That is confusing
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Alex M - clockwork21:23:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
artfarmartfarm
It seems to be a fine line between the two.
Huge one imho
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Artfarm Artfarm21:26:02 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
thanks; i will continue to research this issue.
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nutela21:48:06 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
@clockworkgr don’t you find it confusing that the maker is also the owner of the UIA?
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nutela21:50:56 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Maybe we could make a better bitUSD man… if you look at Kowala burning coins by increasing trading fees..really genius, read the white paper
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Alex M - clockwork22:06:22 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
its an algorithmic
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Alex M - clockwork22:06:34 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
modifies supply to keep the peg
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nutela22:06:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
modifies supply to keep the peg
But listen why not? It’s a good idea
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Alex M - clockwork22:07:00 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
look at Basis to see what happens ... :P i hate algorithmics
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nutela22:07:15 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
We could combine it with the MFBA
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nutela22:08:59 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
look at Basis to see what happens ... :P i hate algorithmics
Basis quit because of the SEC
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nutela22:10:24 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I’m really excited about it Alex
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nutela22:10:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
If you want please look into it Alex
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Alex M - clockwork22:10:48 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
i have
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Alex M - clockwork22:10:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
its nothing new
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nutela22:10:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Nice 👌
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Alex M - clockwork22:11:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
i REALLY dont like algorithmic stablecoins
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Alex M - clockwork22:11:06 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
theyre silly
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nutela22:11:08 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
its nothing new
New for me 🙂
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nutela22:11:14 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Why?
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nutela22:11:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Fail fast, so let it crash
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Alex M - clockwork22:11:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
because it's an illusion...it makes absolutely no sense....
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Alex M - clockwork22:13:28 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ive had the same argument about BTS and hwo bitAssets are essentially algorithmic (and in my view worthless) unless BTS derives value from somewhere outside the bitasset cycle
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Alex M - clockwork22:13:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
(also why stablecoins backed by "stronger" collateral such as DAI with ETH fare better)
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Alex M - clockwork22:15:28 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://medium.com/@bob.mcelrath/on-the-in-stability-of-stablecoins-517b7d17c3ee
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nutela22:19:39 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
ive had the same argument about BTS and hwo bitAssets are essentially algorithmic (and in my view worthless) unless BTS derives value from somewhere outside the bitasset cycle
It’s interesting… I think we’ve seen bitUSD now, that was not so good… Not bad to look elsewhere and learn.
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nutela22:20:35 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But thanks I’ll look at it. For me the best ideas and reiteration will eventually come to a good product hm?
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Alex M - clockwork22:21:06 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
not really...the bitassets system is probably the best one there is....it needs some adjustments...but imh othere isnt anything remotely close out there (cept for DAI which is pretty much teh same mechanics)
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nutela22:21:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
not really...the bitassets system is probably the best one there is....it needs some adjustments...but imh othere isnt anything remotely close out there (cept for DAI which is pretty much teh same mechanics)
Not bein biased? Honestly? 😉
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nutela22:22:16 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cuz it happens pretty easily
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nutela22:34:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So big market movements huh? For what, trade? Isn’t that just because the global trade is so skewed, you have these monster corporations… I think that’s just because of special interests @clockworkgr … wealth should be much more distributed. And I don’t see algos being any better than collateral based, it’s the same idea just different IMHO or maybe you have a different opinion I’m sure…
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nutela22:36:55 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
“Let’s assume the market drops below this range and the central bank must buy the underlying to compensate. How much of the underlying needs to be purchased depends on the price. ” This is just Central Bank BS man… Kowala can just increase transaction fees and burn those, also you can have bigger fees for bigger transfers. Hey it’s the blockproducers, can’t get around those!
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nutela22:39:44 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I’m sorry but that was really a BS article, the whole reason the bank want fractional reserve is because it’s lucrative and a scam / ponzi if you ask me because you need infinite growth.
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nutela22:42:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So they will never want anything like suggested at the end… 🤦‍♂️
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Alex M - clockwork22:46:44 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So big market movements huh? For what, trade? Isn’t that just because the global trade is so skewed, you have these monster corporations… I think that’s just because of special interests @clockworkgr … wealth should be much more distributed. And I don’t see algos being any better than collateral based, it’s the same idea just different IMHO or maybe you have a different opinion I’m sure…
collateral has value outside its use as collateral...algorithmics are an illusion
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Alex M - clockwork22:47:56 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
“Let’s assume the market drops below this range and the central bank must buy the underlying to compensate. How much of the underlying needs to be purchased depends on the price. ” This is just Central Bank BS man… Kowala can just increase transaction fees and burn those, also you can have bigger fees for bigger transfers. Hey it’s the blockproducers, can’t get around those!
dude....it's just a term...in this case Kowala IS the central bunk in question...same way the code/blockchain is the "central bank" when it comes to bitassets
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nutela22:48:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
collateral has value outside its use as collateral...algorithmics are an illusion
Anything too far advanced is indistinguishable from magic 😉
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nutela22:48:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
dude....it's just a term...in this case Kowala IS the central bunk in question...same way the code/blockchain is the "central bank" when it comes to bitassets
Dude, they didn’t talk about fees, and I see no way how a CB could affect that!
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nutela22:49:27 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
They can only affect lending rates
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Alex M - clockwork22:49:42 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
dude
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Alex M - clockwork22:49:45 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
its JUST A TERM
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nutela22:49:47 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And that’s the whole point isn’t it?
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Alex M - clockwork22:49:52 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
not a real CENTRAL bank
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nutela22:50:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Why is that important? It’s the __leverage mechanism__ we ought to discuss
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Alex M - clockwork22:50:27 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
al lit means is that SOME entity intervenes
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Alex M - clockwork22:50:40 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
the fact that it might be decentralised code is irrelevant
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nutela22:50:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So you say intervention doesn’t work?
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Alex M - clockwork22:51:21 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
it does to an extent
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nutela22:51:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
The whole argument was stable coins cannot work because of too large trade correct?
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Alex M - clockwork22:51:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
my point is you dismissed the entire article because it included the words "central bank"
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nutela22:51:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
my point is you dismissed the entire article because it included the words "central bank"
No I did not hellooo?
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Alex M - clockwork22:51:59 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
and im explaining its not what you think it is
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nutela22:52:07 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
You not much reading do you?
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Alex M - clockwork22:52:10 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
" This is just Central Bank BS man… "
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Alex M - clockwork22:52:13 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
your words
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Alex M - clockwork22:52:14 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
not mine
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nutela22:52:33 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
" This is just Central Bank BS man… "
Yeah at the end yes. Their model of thinking is flawed
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nutela22:52:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
They think in CB terms
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nutela22:53:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
A CB can’t affect transaction fees.
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Alex M - clockwork22:54:20 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
not really...its thinking you can hide behind transferring risks and backking through fees etc that's flawed
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Alex M - clockwork22:54:43 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
it still doesnt change the fact that its an inherently unstable design
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nutela22:54:56 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And question is if something like Kowala can be considered fractional reserve or what… They have mining tokens… so also a bit of collateral.. but I didn’t get the whole WP yet…
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nutela22:55:27 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
it still doesnt change the fact that its an inherently unstable design
Like BitShares is soo stable 😂
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nutela22:55:40 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And everytime BTS gets kicked lowest 😉
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nutela22:56:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
not really...its thinking you can hide behind transferring risks and backking through fees etc that's flawed
But where is Kowala hiding risks?
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nutela22:57:10 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I don’t believe this applies in general. There must be a way… And sure, collateral.. it makes sense but as you see people didn’t HODL and look where we ended up… So, I guess not enough incentives!
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Alex M - clockwork22:57:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Like BitShares is soo stable 😂
Yes.. 4 years of it. Took a massive bear market and a bunch of factors together to finally break it. And it still performed as expected
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nutela22:58:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I’m not saying algo is the way to go, I’m just exploring options. And yes I think you do have a point in collateral… But with BitShares I’m not sure bitUSD holders don’t have an edge before BTS holders..
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nutela22:59:29 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Yes.. 4 years of it. Took a massive bear market and a bunch of factors together to finally break it. And it still performed as expected
Not saying it isn’t perfect but it’s pretty good, sure. But we can always be better, look at how small the market is.
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nutela22:59:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It shouldn’t be hard to perfom well with such low liquidity.
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Alex M - clockwork23:00:53 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
It shouldn’t be hard to perfom well with such low liquidity.
Actually the exact opposite is true
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Alex M - clockwork23:01:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And it's why bitusd failed
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nutela23:01:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And it’s not a massive bear market, there were much more massive bear markets in the past AFAIK
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nutela23:01:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Actually the exact opposite is true
OK, I’m listening
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nutela23:02:00 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So because BitShares is such a small project people left it?
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nutela23:02:49 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
Actually the exact opposite is true
Actually you just contradicted yourself because that article’s main argument is exactly the opposite.
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Alex M - clockwork23:03:00 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
And it’s not a massive bear market, there were much more massive bear markets in the past AFAIK
not while stablecoins were around
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Alex M - clockwork23:04:42 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Actually you just contradicted yourself because that article’s main argument is exactly the opposite.
the article discusses why algorithmics don't work in comparison to collateralised ones
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Alex M - clockwork23:04:47 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
liquidity is not even mentioned
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Alex M - clockwork23:05:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So because BitShares is such a small project people left it?
youre mixing things up...BitShares is not just bitAssets
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nutela23:06:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
liquidity is not even mentioned
“The crucial observation that we will use in this analysis is that financial markets are fat-tailed. That is, the probability of large price movements is much larger than people generally assume.”
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nutela23:07:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
👆this is the crux of the article
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Alex M - clockwork23:07:45 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
yes....and youre making exactly the same error the article wartns against
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Alex M - clockwork23:08:02 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
you assume that a very liquid market is not fat-tailed
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Alex M - clockwork23:08:15 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
which is EXACTLY what it warns against
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nutela23:08:42 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
you assume that a very liquid market is not fat-tailed
No I’m saying big movements is what the article points to as being the problem.
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Alex M - clockwork23:08:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
yes
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Alex M - clockwork23:09:05 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
you assume liquidity stops that...no it doesnt
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nutela23:09:07 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And you are saying low liquidity was the problem
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nutela23:09:24 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
you assume liquidity stops that...no it doesnt
No I don’t, I never did, you did.
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Alex M - clockwork23:09:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
liquidity is what helps a coin like bitUSD maintaine its peg by margin calls etc.
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Alex M - clockwork23:09:52 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
see, a very liquid bitAsset doesnt care what the price of the collateral is
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Alex M - clockwork23:09:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
it can hodl the peg regardless
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nutela23:10:02 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Liquid money can make huge waves right?
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Alex M - clockwork23:10:28 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
let's start again
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nutela23:10:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Only if you want to man 👌 It’s getting late. I appreciate your efforts though 😂
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Alex M - clockwork23:11:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
do you agree with the article that ALL markets are fat-tailed regardless of liquidity?
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nutela23:11:15 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
do you agree with the article that ALL markets are fat-tailed regardless of liquidity?
I have no idea about that.
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Alex M - clockwork23:11:22 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
and FOMO or FUD or whatever can cause HUGE swings in an otherwise very liquid market ?
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nutela23:11:34 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
and FOMO or FUD or whatever can cause HUGE swings in an otherwise very liquid market ?
That make sense
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Alex M - clockwork23:11:38 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ok
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Alex M - clockwork23:12:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
the article explains why based on that algorithmics are unstable
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Alex M - clockwork23:12:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
the liquidity thing is different
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Alex M - clockwork23:12:32 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
an asset liek bitUSD or bitCNY does nto care what the value of BTS is
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Alex M - clockwork23:12:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
or how much it swings
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nutela23:12:53 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Sure if you liquidate fast enough
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nutela23:13:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
See what I did there? 😉
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Alex M - clockwork23:13:06 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if the market is liquid enough , it will hold the peg due to the margin call mechanism etc.
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Alex M - clockwork23:13:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
prime example being bitCNY which was/is more liquid than biitUSD
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nutela23:13:43 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
if the market is liquid enough , it will hold the peg due to the margin call mechanism etc.
But the market was liquid enough
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Alex M - clockwork23:14:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
without the errors made in BSIP42 implementation, bitCNY would have survived with no intervention
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nutela23:14:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Just the margin calls weren’t sold right?
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Alex M - clockwork23:14:24 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nah ...bitUSD was never liquid enough ...its a dex only market for a start
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Alex M - clockwork23:14:44 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
its why peopel were worried about implementing bsip42 on it in the first place
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nutela23:15:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
OK how do you asses the liquidity of bitUSD vs bitCNY? I will look at it tomorrow.
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Alex M - clockwork23:15:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bitUSD would have probably GSd even without bsip42...bitCNY would have probably never been in danger at all without it
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nutela23:15:53 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
nah ...bitUSD was never liquid enough ...its a dex only market for a start
It doesn’t make sense, people should have sold FOR bitUSD but they didn't
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kennybll23:15:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I wonder, is the telegram or discord more active?
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Alex M - clockwork23:16:05 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
in VERY illiquid markets (say bitEUR etc.) individual behaviour becomes more prominent
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Alex M - clockwork23:16:24 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
tehj 7-8 people that have borrowed bitEUR into existence are just much more conservative
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Alex M - clockwork23:16:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
I wonder, is the telegram or discord more active?
telegram usually
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Alex M - clockwork23:17:19 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
It doesn’t make sense, people should have sold FOR bitUSD but they didn't
they did....which drives BTS price down further
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nutela23:17:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Ah I’m mistaken, selling … indeed you are right
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Alex M - clockwork23:17:52 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
margin calls do the same
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Alex M - clockwork23:18:08 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
it was the problem last year
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nutela23:18:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But that’s also why I say collateral doesn’t work because there is no incentive to hold BTS
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Alex M - clockwork23:18:32 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
prior to margin mechanics adjustemnt and bsip42 we had the opposite issue
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Alex M - clockwork23:18:55 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
margin calls were killing BTS price
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nutela23:19:03 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Because you can hold on to bitUSD but it GS you are fucked anyway
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Alex M - clockwork23:19:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
the incentive is that it will rise in value
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Alex M - clockwork23:19:42 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
thats why i hold BTS anyway :P
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nutela23:19:44 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I mean sold BTS for bitUSD and holding just bitUSD
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Alex M - clockwork23:20:07 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
you do that if you think you can buy bts back cheaper
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nutela23:20:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yeah well that’s just a lame excuse sorry
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Alex M - clockwork23:20:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
which is what baozi and otehrs did
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kennybll23:20:31 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Yeah well that’s just a lame excuse sorry
If you believe in the platform, not really
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Alex M - clockwork23:20:32 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
they were holding bitCNY
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nutela23:20:34 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
There should be an incentive otherwise it doesn’t make any difference to have collateral ans so you can go algo.
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Alex M - clockwork23:20:38 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
for AGES
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Alex M - clockwork23:20:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
then bought 140m worth of BTS when BTS reached 3.5 cents
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Alex M - clockwork23:21:05 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
like...holding bitCNY for months
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nutela23:21:10 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Sure but when the market crashes they’d get a GS too right?
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Alex M - clockwork23:21:20 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
not
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Alex M - clockwork23:21:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
they still hold bitCNY
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nutela23:21:42 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
then bought 140m worth of BTS when BTS reached 3.5 cents
Well this works only if there’s enough collateral backing bitCNY right?
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Alex M - clockwork23:21:58 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
well bitCNY never GSd
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nutela23:22:05 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I know
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Alex M - clockwork23:22:09 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
even if it had...they can continue holding till revived
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Alex M - clockwork23:22:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
or settle for BTS
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nutela23:22:34 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Right
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Alex M - clockwork23:22:42 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
they dont lose anything ...only means that they cant buy at a lower price
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nutela23:23:19 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
When someone sells BTS someone has to buy it and vice versa they buy the bitUSD or sell that.
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nutela23:23:47 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Until it goes too much one way, the price drops too much, hence there is too little total collateral and it
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Alex M - clockwork23:24:09 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
yeah
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nutela23:24:15 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
they dont lose anything ...only means that they cant buy at a lower price
That’s a good point also.
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Alex M - clockwork23:24:35 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
my point is , when bitUSD Gsd , it pegged the price to 19.55 BTS
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Alex M - clockwork23:24:47 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
so if I'm holding 1 bitUSD
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Alex M - clockwork23:24:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
thats how much BTS I can get for it
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Alex M - clockwork23:25:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if I was holding bitUSD for months
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Alex M - clockwork23:25:16 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
all thats changed for me
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Alex M - clockwork23:25:26 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
is that I can no longer wait to buy even lower
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Alex M - clockwork23:25:32 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
that 19.55 is the best deall ill get
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Alex M - clockwork23:25:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if I got my 1 bitUSD by paying 1 bts last january
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nutela23:26:02 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I still think Kowala’s approach is better; you don’t have collateral so the market cannot crash your stable coin by taking collateral away. 2. When it does happen (no faith in crypto) you increase fees, __drastically__ if needed 😂
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kennybll23:26:09 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What happened last january?
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Alex M - clockwork23:26:22 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
What happened last january?
BTS reached ~ 1usd
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kennybll23:26:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Ah okay
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nutela23:27:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
is that I can no longer wait to buy even lower
Fair enough…
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nutela23:27:43 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But now nobody has a pegged bitUSD 😂
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nutela23:28:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It’s a trade off then I guess 👍
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nutela23:28:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Still I think it’s a really smart (and sneaky) way to increase trading fees in a down market! If you’d were to prevent sell off 🤣
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nutela23:29:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I mean it’s a terrific stability mechanism. Sure it reeks of communism but hey it’s cryptocommunism!
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nutela23:29:41 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Much better than __real__ communism 😉
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Alex M - clockwork23:29:48 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
as a way to decrease supply ? sure
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nutela23:30:06 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yep///
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Alex M - clockwork23:30:07 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
my point is that pegging using JUST supply is never gonan work
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nutela23:30:27 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
my point is that pegging using JUST supply is never gonan work
Well still waiting for that golden argument 😉
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Alex M - clockwork23:30:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
might as well use FIAT
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nutela23:30:38 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Because that article just didn’t persuade me at all.
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nutela23:31:03 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
might as well use FIAT
Ah now I get what you don’t like, sure that’s true!
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nutela23:31:14 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
That’s a whole matter all together
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Alex M - clockwork23:31:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
anyway
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Alex M - clockwork23:32:03 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
weve got far bigger issues than that these days
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kennybll23:32:12 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Such as?
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nutela23:32:13 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Thing is how you create a pegged coin but not print it when the other is printed
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Alex M - clockwork23:32:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
coudld care less about bitUSD these days
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Alex M - clockwork23:33:08 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
Such as?
our new overlords deciding workers are a waste of money and are only diluting the supply
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kennybll23:33:36 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Overlords? And how?
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nutela23:33:42 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
coudld care less about bitUSD these days
Oh boy… here it comes 😂
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nutela23:34:03 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
our new overlords deciding workers are a waste of money and are only diluting the supply
Don’t tell me it’s the Chinese 😂
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kennybll23:34:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Oh boy… here it comes 😂
😂
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Alex M - clockwork23:34:19 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
Overlords? And how?
people who were waiting for the bear market to buy bts heavily
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Alex M - clockwork23:34:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
and how? : voting stake
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Alex M - clockwork23:35:09 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
by this time tomorrow, it's likely that the only active workers will be cor, documentation and apasia's nodes (barely)
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kennybll23:35:45 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Not even ui?
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Alex M - clockwork23:35:53 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
Not even ui?
nope..none of them
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Alex M - clockwork23:36:04 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
or the bitshares.ws infrastructure
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Alex M - clockwork23:36:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
or the bsips
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Alex M - clockwork23:36:14 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
or gela counsel
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Alex M - clockwork23:36:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
or spokesperson
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Alex M - clockwork23:36:27 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
etc.
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Alex M - clockwork23:36:33 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nor dexbot :(
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kennybll23:36:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Oh if they remove their votes? Or add another worker? I mean how would they do it?
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nutela23:36:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
How was that stake increased? Because of the sell off?
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Alex M - clockwork23:37:06 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
How was that stake increased? Because of the sell off?
yep
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Alex M - clockwork23:37:25 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
Oh if they remove their votes? Or add another worker? I mean how would they do it?
voting for the refudn worker (which sets the threshold a worker needs to overcome to become active)
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nutela23:37:30 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So now it’s austerity just like Greece?
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Alex M - clockwork23:37:44 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
yeah
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kennybll23:37:45 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Oh so for example refund400k?
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Alex M - clockwork23:37:51 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
Oh so for example refund400k?
yep
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nutela23:38:27 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So they think BTS is not low enough they have to decrease spending?
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Alex M - clockwork23:38:40 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
imho they dont care
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nutela23:38:54 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
But they hold BTS how can’t they care?
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Alex M - clockwork23:39:01 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
they make their money by trading on very large positions
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Alex M - clockwork23:39:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bts price is mostly irrelevant
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kennybll23:39:37 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
And there's not much we could do?
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Alex M - clockwork23:39:47 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
lobby
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kennybll23:39:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I'm a small fish like really really small 😂
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Alex M - clockwork23:39:50 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
less voter apathy
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nutela23:40:57 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
less voter apathy
Whale problem… That’s exactly it, little stake =feeling your vote doesn’t matter
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nutela23:41:24 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So predictable.. but yeah all about experience..
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nutela23:44:18 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
OK good night guys! Thanks Alex, as always. But not yet convinced.. I have to think about it more.. The theory is nice but as you see in practice..
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kennybll23:47:11 - 16 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Bye nutela
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nutela00:10:13 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Can’t sleep grrr. I wonder if increased fees for bigger transactions would work to curb whales?
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螃 蟹02:29:06 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So many warehouse receipts are not digestible by the market, if too low feed prices force them to market, it will lead to a vicious circle.
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Thomas Freedman02:43:49 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
JBahai
I am just curious to get a read on what others might think of this.. Suppoman as most of you know has been a well known crypto YouTuber.. like him or hate him he always was positive about the future of crypto.. today though he did a 23m video explaining what he thinks is the future outlook of cryptocurrency.. it suggests anything decentralized will be declared illegal.. do others here share similar views? .. or do you believe the people will survive 'the powers that be'? https://youtu.be/p1S7Skx7yVE
I never heard of that guy. That shouldn't surprise anyone as we all have our favorite alt media sources and there are sooooo many to chose from and so little time to take them in. He's spot on in most respects. I've been saying the current bear market is a manipulation for a month now, but few seem to share that view or are willing to admit it. It's too "conspiratorial" for the current crypto crowd these days, but it's so fucking obvious to me. One thing he doesn't address is the scenario `after` they declare decentalized tokens to be illegal, or declare all non-approved tokens to be illegal. If or when that happens it will most certainly put a severe clamp on "non-approved" tokens, but IMO it will not eliminate them, it will just push them underground. Prohibition is never successful when there is a demand by enough people. Rebels will always seek an altermative. If he's right, and I generally believe he is, it will move the pioneers, the entreprenuers who are truly dedicated to the principles of financial freedom, back towards privacy and stealth. People like Eric Vorhees has kept on the move and continues to stay one step ahead and remain dedicated to the original vision and goals of decentralization. He's not alobe by any stretch. We've seen similar dramas with other efforts to decentralize control, such as file sharing, like bit torrents. Kim Dotcom is another example of a cyber hacker hero figure. I believe `they` have all but lost the majority of the power to control file sharing already. Another aspect he doesn't comment on is the growth of disatisfaction and trust in authorities & governments. People are waking up to the systematic corruption that's been around for many decades. The question is, when push comes to shove and the pressure to resist their power increases, what will you do? In the same manor as this Suppoman calls on his audience to think, I too ask you to reflect on the price so many of our ancestors paid and the risks they took to resist wrongful authority to provide us the choices most take for granted, the choice we will be faced with to continue to resist, or acquiesce to their power and demands. I ask you to consider the impact of your choices on your offspring and all of humanity to come, and decide in light of that how you want history to reflect your choices.
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Thomas Freedman02:44:06 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Wow, so tl;dr ...
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Permie02:56:21 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It doesn't look good But it's akin to a bank freezing its checking accounts for a time Except the bitUSD holders are also given a get-out now clause But if they wait until bitUSD is revived They'll get full value
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Permie02:56:21 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So it still is more secure bank usd The haircut is optional Negative interest rates, and bank writedowns are not consensual
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Well binary options and forex is NOT crypto. Get lost.
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Don Chate06:34:09 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
christophersanborn
This happened to me too when I tried to withdraw a few days ago. Were you withdrawing to a BitPay wallet by any chance?
OPEN.BTC
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Slavi La Libertad07:01:41 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
nope..none of them
Did Rossul's UI/UX get a full amount of funds for their worker? Or is it monthly process?
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Stefan07:09:07 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
memset
Did Rossul's UI/UX get a full amount of funds for their worker? Or is it a monthly process?
Monthly
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Slavi La Libertad07:21:02 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What is a purpose of 400k refund (to reserve pool)?
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Slavi La Libertad07:21:15 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
sschiessl
Monthly
Thanks.
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Alex M - clockwork07:28:55 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
memset
What is a purpose of 400k refund (to reserve pool)?
To set the threshold over which workers are considered active
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Alex M - clockwork07:38:05 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/subbyjr/status/1074451861950918656
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fav07:45:09 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I wonder
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George (Bitspark)07:46:24 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
https://twitter.com/subbyjr/status/1074451861950918656
Who’s working on this ?
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Alex M - clockwork07:49:10 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
George_Bitspark
Who’s working on this ?
Christopher and Marciel
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Alex M - clockwork07:49:54 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/issues/1340
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Valera Cogut08:07:04 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I see there refund100k & refund400k at the same time are active, why we need refund100k to be active even if refund400k is active ?
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Alex M - clockwork08:08:47 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
flexibility
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Alex M - clockwork08:08:51 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
happy birthday btw
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Valera Cogut08:09:02 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Thanks :)
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Valera Cogut08:09:11 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
you remember it 😉
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Valera Cogut08:19:50 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
refund100k is pay.xeroc worker, so it refund for xeroc means ? cannot understand about this refund100k
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Michael Alexander09:09:03 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Can anyone here explain how the bitUSD can restore it's par to the dollar?
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Alex M - clockwork09:11:05 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
realcoinsider
Can anyone here explain how the bitUSD can restore it's par to the dollar?
BTS in settlement fund value *1.75 >=Debt
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Alex M - clockwork09:12:13 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
so bitUSD revives if a) BTS price rises to 8.9 cents or b) debt (and settlement fund) goes to 0 by everyone settling their bitUSD at GS price
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Alex M - clockwork09:13:06 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
there is also option c) where the entire Debt is bid upon with enough collateral so the additional collateral added to the settlement fund makes the above equation true
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Alex M - clockwork09:13:44 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
right nwo there's little difference
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Alex M - clockwork09:13:49 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
between a and c
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Alex M - clockwork09:14:00 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
b is VERY unlikely considering the amount of debt
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Alex M - clockwork09:14:07 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
a and c difference:
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Michael Alexander09:18:31 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Thank you Alex M for your updates. So for example if we use bitUSD to purchase BTS at 30% higher than market value and BTS doubles to 9 cents on the Bitshares exchange, then our gain is 100%-30% (devaluation) or 70% gain. Let me know if my math is correct.
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Mathew09:18:31 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
a and c difference:
So currently though it will be reborn with option c on the way up even though there is such a small difference?
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Alex M - clockwork09:19:21 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
So currently though it will be reborn with option c on the way up even though there is such a small difference?
probably...although it's feed price dependent...not sure which part is evaluated first
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Alex M - clockwork09:20:08 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
i.e. if feed price goes from 0.0893 to 0.0895 not sure if it will get revived through bids or the normal process...
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Alex M - clockwork09:20:23 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
i think it's c but dont hold me to it
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Alex M - clockwork09:21:28 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
realcoinsider
Thank you Alex M for your updates. So for example if we use bitUSD to purchase BTS at 30% higher than market value and BTS doubles to 9 cents on the Bitshares exchange, then our gain is 100%-30% (devaluation) or 70% gain. Let me know if my math is correct.
well, peg is broken so if you buy bitUSD now, your gain when peg is restored will be 30%
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Alex M - clockwork09:22:00 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
seeing as BTS will register gains of over 120% in order for bitUSD to revive
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Alex M - clockwork09:22:13 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
it's obviously betetrt o stick with BTS (if you have faith in it)
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Michael Alexander09:23:09 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
so if someone has a choice to hold bitUSD or BTS now, BTS would be better choice in the oversold condition, then if one were to convert to a bitAsset then bitCNY would be a better choice due to the higher liquidity pool?
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Alex M - clockwork09:24:43 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
realcoinsider
so if someone has a choice to hold bitUSD or BTS now, BTS would be better choice in the oversold condition, then if one were to convert to a bitAsset then bitCNY would be a better choice due to the higher liquidity pool?
pretty much
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Alex M - clockwork09:24:50 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
depends on what you think BST will do
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Alex M - clockwork09:24:55 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if you expect it to drop more
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Alex M - clockwork09:25:01 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
buy bitCNY
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Alex M - clockwork09:25:10 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
and buy more BTS back cheaper later on
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Alex M - clockwork09:25:18 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if you expect it to bounce and rise
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Alex M - clockwork09:25:20 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
stick with BTS
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Michael Alexander09:26:05 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I think bitUSD will hold at current peg, but buying BTS for next month may be better. I'm expecting a nice bounce soon as BTC is at 200 MA on Weekly along with other oversold indicators.
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Michael Alexander09:27:24 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if BTS triples from .035 to 10 cents, then those who but BTS wtih their bitUSD at 5 cents will at least double their money. I'm expecting BTS to 10 cents on a temporary alt coin rally.
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Alex M - clockwork09:38:27 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
true
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Alex M - clockwork09:38:39 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
things will change once a reversal is confirmed
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funkit09:41:39 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Buy bts and short ruble or euro. I'm still weary cny can blow up.
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Alex M - clockwork09:43:04 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I would like to point out that according to https://workers.bitshares.foundation/201808-bitshares-ui , the UI worker has only another 4.8k USD available at this time due to the BTS price falling and the fact it is currently voted out. This means that UI development will pretty much halt after this week. PLEASE check your voting slates.
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Alex M - clockwork09:45:39 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I should also remind you that Beet development is also funded by the UI worker.
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Cipher09:46:05 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://twitter.com/JimmyMcShill/status/1074600380082872320
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Cipher09:46:25 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
happy ATH anniversary 😄🎉
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Huy nguyen van10:15:41 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9MXpP65LY&feature=youtu.be
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Huy nguyen van10:16:04 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9MXpP65LY&feature=youtu.be
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Alex M - clockwork11:47:12 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
FYI https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27587.0
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nutela12:55:51 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
I should also remind you that Beet development is also funded by the UI worker.
Jesus…
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nutela12:56:31 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Is there currently any other coin tracking USD on BitShares?
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R12:56:51 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Is there currently any other coin tracking USD on BitShares?
Hertz
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nutela13:01:21 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Hertz
Haha love it 👌
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nutela13:04:26 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
No volume on Hertz 😂
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nutela13:04:28 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Or?
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Jeff13:21:42 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
I would like to point out that according to https://workers.bitshares.foundation/201808-bitshares-ui , the UI worker has only another 4.8k USD available at this time due to the BTS price falling and the fact it is currently voted out. This means that UI development will pretty much halt after this week. PLEASE check your voting slates.
We pay workers with bts? Why not use bitusd?
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Alex M - clockwork13:25:07 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Jedebel
We pay workers with bts? Why not use bitusd?
always been this way...the chain only knows BTS when it comes to reserves & workers
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Alex M - clockwork13:25:22 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
most of them ARE paid in bitUSD but thats doen by escrows
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Alex M - clockwork13:25:32 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
still need to buy that bitUSD
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Alex M - clockwork13:25:46 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
so low bts price, less bitUSD they can buy
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Zeto14:50:40 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
shairah
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kennybll16:16:32 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
I would like to point out that according to https://workers.bitshares.foundation/201808-bitshares-ui , the UI worker has only another 4.8k USD available at this time due to the BTS price falling and the fact it is currently voted out. This means that UI development will pretty much halt after this week. PLEASE check your voting slates.
Is it still voted out? Mine shows it's in.
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Alex M - clockwork16:17:00 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Got voted back in
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kennybll16:17:07 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Okay
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螃 蟹16:17:31 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
The price of feed for many witnesses is lower than the transaction price. Tens of millions of warehouse receipts cannot be digested by the current market. These witnesses with low feed prices will make everything worse.
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ANKUSH SHARMA16:22:15 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://chat.whatsapp.com/FLEWb5GIPgV53ryBPTZ7lo
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Cryptick Cryptick16:45:57 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Is it possible to create a smart coin that is backed up by two assets. I know one could create a smart coin based on bitUSD, or one based on bitCNY. Could one require that say there are three bitCNY and two bitUSD required to make a third bit asset?
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Samiam16:48:44 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://www.fundedjustice.com/e1RCD8?ref=ab_d7m5S3
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Samiam16:49:16 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://www.fundedjustice.com/e1RCD8?ref=ab_d7m5S3
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Samiam16:49:48 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://www.fundedjustice.com/e1RCD8?ref=ab_d7m5S3
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funkit17:03:23 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Ask custom miner. He has been digging through it.
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Fabian Schuh17:11:07 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
The true power of Ethereum: 133 ERC20 token transfers in one single transaction https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/a70knj/the_true_power_of_ethereum_133_erc20_token/
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Fabian Schuh17:11:32 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
anyone want to educate them about the number from bitshares 😆
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Dima BLCKCHND17:22:27 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://steemit.com/blockchain/@blockchained/part-5-worker-proposal-comprehensive-bitshares-ux-ui-update-by-the-rossul-and-graphene-lab-team
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nutela17:24:59 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
Is it possible to create a smart coin that is backed up by two assets. I know one could create a smart coin based on bitUSD, or one based on bitCNY. Could one require that say there are three bitCNY and two bitUSD required to make a third bit asset?
I’d like to know that too :ok
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Cryptick Cryptick17:35:23 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
I’d like to know that too 👌
Looks like the answer might be no. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/1537
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nutela17:37:38 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Would it make sense to have other coins like BTC as collateral in a multi sig for say bitUSD or any other smartcoin, for so long as you have excess > 175% or get margin called? Would provide some extra security between gateways and users, esp. when there is stealth / privacy involved and you don’t necessarily trust the gateway?
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nutela17:37:54 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Or the GW doesn’t want KYC or be subject to regulation?
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Cryptick Cryptick17:39:21 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Would it make sense to have other coins like BTC as collateral in a multi sig for say bitUSD or any other smartcoin, for so long as you have excess > 175% or get margin called? Would provide some extra security between gateways and users, esp. when there is stealth / privacy involved and you don’t necessarily trust the gateway?
I hear you we have both been talking to the same people...
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Channel_Bot17:39:52 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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nutela17:39:58 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
I hear you we have both been talking to the same people...
You didn’t get a satisfying reply?
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Cryptick Cryptick17:45:30 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
No, Not completely sure yet. More good discussion here though... https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/100
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Cryptick Cryptick17:47:55 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
In investing there are not many free lunches. One free lunch that really works is diversification. Everyone knows it works and this is why everyone talks about it and uses it. It is not a secret in the stock market ect. Given the high volatility of crypto currency, it makes sense. If one had a BitUSD backed by ETH, BTC, LTC, and BTS it would be more stable.
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Cryptick Cryptick17:50:39 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
How much more stable can be computed, and various on the number of assets held. In Stocks about 80% of the diversity gains, can be gotten with only 5 stocks (assuming you select the right ones). And over time a diverse portfolio is likely to increase returns /stabililty by 30%. (this depends on a lot of factors.)
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Cryptick Cryptick17:51:52 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
That said, building a better bitUSD is complicated. I do like how the SPY allows one to buy the entire S&P 500. These have proven very popular with investors. Making the same type of thing in crypto would be awesome. Not sure if we can do it though.
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Cryptick Cryptick17:53:46 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bittwenty was probably closest to this yet
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XOV CEO (Official)17:55:45 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Stability is something we have been researching for a number of months now with leading economists, but first you need to define what stability is. It's not just price - there should be a number of tests.
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Eric18:59:16 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I'm no longer able to open the DEX on my computer. It just loads a white screen. I can't find a link to the online exchange anymore either. What's going on?
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Eric18:59:43 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Is any else having this issue?
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Chief Pump19:05:04 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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Crypto Kong19:05:14 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Eric
I'm no longer able to open the DEX on my computer. It just loads a white screen. I can't find a link to the online exchange anymore either. What's going on?
go to dev tools and clear data, i had this issue connecting to a bad node
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Crypto Kong19:05:27 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
make sure you have backup if using local wallet
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Eric19:06:02 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Will it definitely reset or is that just to be safe?
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Crypto Kong19:06:27 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
?
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Crypto Kong19:06:58 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if you clear the data you will need to restore from a backup if your using a local wallet
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Crypto Kong19:07:08 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
@btswallethelp for further info
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Eric19:07:59 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Thanks! I greatly appreciate your help and hope the day finds you well 🙂
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Alexander19:18:35 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Why is feeding prices frozen on yuan?
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Eric19:28:13 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
if you clear the data you will need to restore from a backup if your using a local wallet
Damn, worked like a charm! Thanks again, friend!👍
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R19:41:53 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
Looks like the answer might be no. https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-ui/issues/1537
Uia can be used as backing collateral now, that was an old issue
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Alexander19:51:42 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
why the price of feeding on yuan does not change for 3 hours?
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Pero Anik20:17:16 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hi guys!
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Pero Anik20:18:06 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Quick question: How is possible to make orders on disabled markets?? How that works??
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R20:20:15 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
pero009
Quick question: How is possible to make orders on disabled markets?? How that works??
Encapsulate the asset within an mpa and trade it on the disabled market.
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Pero Anik20:22:12 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Ok..can you translate this for noobs? :) And what's the point of making orders on disabled markets,if no one is trading there?
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Alexander20:28:04 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
@cmmob why the price of feeding on yuan does not change for 3 hours?
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R20:28:50 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Alexander
@cmmob why the price of feeding on yuan does not change for 3 hours?
I'm not a feed publisher for cny
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Alexander20:30:22 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
I'm not a feed publisher for cny
How is it technically possible that the price of feeding does not change a cent for 3 hours, although witnesses give different quotes every few minutes?
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Cryptick Cryptick20:33:46 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Uia can be used as backing collateral now, that was an old issue
Thankyou!
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Alex M - clockwork20:33:47 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Alexander
How is it technically possible that the price of feeding does not change a cent for 3 hours, although witnesses give different quotes every few minutes?
feed price is the median
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Alex M - clockwork20:34:01 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
if the median doesnt change, it will feed the same
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nutela22:29:29 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
In investing there are not many free lunches. One free lunch that really works is diversification. Everyone knows it works and this is why everyone talks about it and uses it. It is not a secret in the stock market ect. Given the high volatility of crypto currency, it makes sense. If one had a BitUSD backed by ETH, BTC, LTC, and BTS it would be more stable.
Hey you didn’t reply directly to me so I’m reading it just now but thanks for the reply! I’m really glad I get to know you all. It’s not always easy to get your point across but we’ll keep trying while being patient. 👌
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Cryptick Cryptick22:31:55 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Hey you didn’t reply directly to me so I’m reading it just now but thanks for the reply! I’m really glad I get to know you all. It’s not always easy to get your point across but we’ll keep trying while being patient. 👌
If we had a provatedly backed BitUSD on the block chain, how high of fee do you thing people would be willing to pay? per transaction? in Percent?
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nutela22:32:43 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
if the median doesnt change, it will feed the same
Learning everyday
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nutela22:33:59 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
If we had a provatedly backed BitUSD on the block chain, how high of fee do you thing people would be willing to pay? per transaction? in Percent?
Did you perhaps mean privately?
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Cryptick Cryptick22:35:02 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Did you perhaps mean privately?
yes
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nutela22:36:26 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
If we had a privatedly backed BitUSD on the block chain, how high of fee do you thing people would be willing to pay? per transaction? in Percent?
In any case I’m thinking that maybe big trades should have bigger fees. But I’m sure somebody has thought of pros and cons long ago.
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nutela22:37:00 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So not sure what you mean by privately
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Cryptick Cryptick22:38:36 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It would be like a tether alternative (but unlike the real tether this one would have open backing of a portoflio of assets.)
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Cryptick Cryptick22:43:17 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So not sure what you mean by privately
It would like like a tether (but auditable) Issued by a private entity..
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nutela22:44:43 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
It would like like a tether (but auditable) Issued by a private entity..
Why private?
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nutela22:45:13 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Not sure about your motivation.
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Cryptick Cryptick22:46:56 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Why private? What does it add or acomplish?
Allows a full array of backing of crypto currencies, not just BTS as a way of trying to add stability to the coin. (note: this still has some trust issues, but I am trying to get a sense of the willingingness of a community to pay for additional security.)
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Cryptick Cryptick22:47:41 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Not sure about your motivation.
trying to get an second opinion on the willingness of people to pay fees. -I have already calculated out costs... using some assuptions.
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Cryptick Cryptick22:48:24 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
How much would a safer bitUSD be worth?
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nutela22:49:02 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
Allows a full array of backing of crypto currencies, not just BTS as a way of trying to add stability to the coin. (note: this still has some trust issues, but I am trying to get a sense of the willingingness of a community to pay for additional security.)
OK but why they need for private backing?
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nutela22:49:12 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
What do the backers get?
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Cryptick Cryptick22:49:54 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
What do the backers get?
A substatial interest rate!
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nutela22:50:12 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
How much would a safer bitUSD be worth?
Well, how you want to pay for that?
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Cryptick Cryptick22:50:23 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
With trading fees?
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nutela22:50:27 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
A substatial interest rate!
there is not inflation
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Cryptick Cryptick22:50:39 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Zero inflation.
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nutela22:50:46 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
With trading fees!
Nope, most would hodl bitUSD because it’s not volatile
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nutela22:51:17 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
Zero inflation.
Yes, so how would interest rates work? You can’t get something from nothing.
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Cryptick Cryptick22:51:38 - 17 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Lets take this private...
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Bit Coin01:11:38 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://utradecoin.com/?ref=tdjEEz6ab
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Bit Coin01:11:44 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://utradecoin.com/?ref=tdjEEz6ab
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octomatic01:49:00 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
someone just pointed this to me - kinda sounds like bitshares....? https://reserve.org/
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octomatic01:54:27 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
reserve tokens, and reserve share tokens? on ethereum. sounds a little like bts?
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octomatic01:54:28 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
https://reserve.org/protocol
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom09:04:05 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Blockstream satellites launched: https://cryptoinsider.com/blockstream-satellite-now-provides-global-coverage/ 23 institutional players join Blockstream Liquid: https://cryptoinsider.com/what-is-bitcoins-liquid-sidechain-and-why-does-it-matter/
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Brutt John09:40:07 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Bitcoin Price gonna go high from next week folks inbox me for more clarification Bitcoin Price now $3496
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nutela09:52:47 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
Blockstream satellites launched: https://cryptoinsider.com/blockstream-satellite-now-provides-global-coverage/ 23 institutional players join Blockstream Liquid: https://cryptoinsider.com/what-is-bitcoins-liquid-sidechain-and-why-does-it-matter/
Does it come with a nuclear option? 😂
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:13:20 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Does it come with a nuclear option? 😂
What if it IS the nuclear option 😜
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nutela10:13:39 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
What if it IS the nuclear option 😜
Having a nuclear reactor for BTC mining 😂
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom10:13:56 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Having a nuclear reactor for BTC mining 😂
after 3 confirmations...
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Ammar Yousef10:59:10 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
someone just pointed this to me - kinda sounds like bitshares....? https://reserve.org/
They are typical stable coin provider, nothing like BTS
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Ammar Yousef11:00:30 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Let them sleep in peace :)
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Channel_Bot11:10:20 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
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R11:22:46 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
Blockstream satellites launched: https://cryptoinsider.com/blockstream-satellite-now-provides-global-coverage/ 23 institutional players join Blockstream Liquid: https://cryptoinsider.com/what-is-bitcoins-liquid-sidechain-and-why-does-it-matter/
Trash company launching trash into space
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Xlcrs11:33:15 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Don’t worry we can clean it up with Littercoin 😜 https://rdcu.be/Vv0B
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:34:16 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Trash company launching trash into space
IMO it has XRP written all over it
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Xlcrs11:35:04 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
:-(
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R11:35:44 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
IMO it has XRP written all over it https://www.coinspeaker.com/xrp-bull-run-2019/
always fail when people confuse this with real crypto 🤦‍♂️
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:37:09 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
always fail when people confuse this with real crypto 🤦‍♂️
Agreed, part of the strategy
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Mathew11:37:27 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
In investing there are not many free lunches. One free lunch that really works is diversification. Everyone knows it works and this is why everyone talks about it and uses it. It is not a secret in the stock market ect. Given the high volatility of crypto currency, it makes sense. If one had a BitUSD backed by ETH, BTC, LTC, and BTS it would be more stable.
I agree we would be better off with diverse backing but it's worth noting all of these fell by similar amounts at the same time...ideally you want it to be backed by a basket of assets that don't rise and fall together - i.e. gold, oil and similar...really tricky when you are looking at keeping it trustless as really you have to physically hold it...if you create bitGold collatorised with BTS you are just kicking the issue down the road
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Mathew11:38:29 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Really alts need to break free of BTC and rise/fall independently based on their own actual value - you could then have much more stable bitUSD/similar backed by a basket of crypto
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:38:48 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
A year ago today BTC was almost at $20K ... :(
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Fabian Schuh11:42:52 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
crypto roller coaster, get used to it 😂
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Jeff11:49:27 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
Really alts need to break free of BTC and rise/fall independently based on their own actual value - you could then have much more stable bitUSD/similar backed by a basket of crypto
The only way alts will break free and start to be valued on their own is when exchanges primarily pair Alts with FIAT or stablecoins rather then BTC. Ovely simplistic but in a lot of ways true.
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom11:52:02 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
xeroc
crypto roller coaster, get used to it 😂
No doubt😂 It doesn't help that my mind interprets that to be a $166.66 loss every month for a year per BTC
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nutela11:57:27 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
BTS up 2%, EOS 20%… 😕
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Werhhh11:57:47 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
🤪
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Werhhh11:59:24 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
We need eos token gateway on BTS
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nutela12:00:42 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Werhhh
We need eos tokens gateway on BTS
There’s open.eos and gdex.eos
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Werhhh12:01:14 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Eos tokens not EOS 🤔 That could bring some people on BTS
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nutela12:01:35 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Werhhh
EOS tokens not EOS 🤔 That could bring some people on BTS wagon
You mean like IQ etc.?
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Werhhh12:02:08 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yeah. There are a lot of them, very popular onea
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Cryptick Cryptick12:03:46 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
I agree we would be better off with diverse backing but it's worth noting all of these fell by similar amounts at the same time...ideally you want it to be backed by a basket of assets that don't rise and fall together - i.e. gold, oil and similar...really tricky when you are looking at keeping it trustless as really you have to physically hold it...if you create bitGold collatorised with BTS you are just kicking the issue down the road
totally agree. And that is a bit of a challenge. The next best thing for backing could be backing by code. Part of BTS is ownership of the code/system/project and other crypto projects are in part (like Steemit) can have an intrinsic value. That is an alternative method of valueation.
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Mathew12:04:20 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Joe_son_of_Bob_Uncle_to_Tom
No doubt😂 It doesn't help that my mind interprets that to be a $1666.66 loss every month for a year per BTC Actually, that would only be about a $1400 loss at BTC price ATM. What a relief...
F*cking hell. A wage a month
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Mathew12:04:41 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
That is a bad year, the next bull run better be glorious!
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nutela12:06:10 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
That is a bad year, the next bull run better be glorious!
You mean the one in the summer of 2019? 😂
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Cryptick Cryptick12:10:21 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
octomatic
someone just pointed this to me - kinda sounds like bitshares....? https://reserve.org/
Yeah. It sure does sound a lot like BitShares. While I have to admit the website is neat clean and slick, they only just released a white paper. It all looks very clean, almost too perfect. I don't like to call things scams without proof but lets say I have a feeling they have a very long way to go.
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R12:11:15 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
Yeah. It sure does sound a lot like BitShares. While I have to admit the website is neat clean and slick, they only just released a white paper. It all looks very clean, almost too perfect. I don't like to call things scams without proof but lets say I have a feeling they have a very long way to go.
Production vs plans, I know which one I'll be trading on right now..
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Crypto Kong12:12:58 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Jedebel
The only way alts will break free and start to be valued on their own is when exchanges primarily pair Alts with FIAT or stablecoins rather then BTC. Ovely simplistic but in a lot of ways true.
Coinbase just announced btc pairings for alts so reliance on bitcoin price aint gonna get any better any time soon. Bitshares is however uniquely positioned to break the reliance as we have all the tools to make bts vs other assets
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Crypto Kong12:14:18 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
BTS-APPL etc
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R12:14:33 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Bts:bitbts
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R12:14:49 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Lol
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Crypto Kong12:14:58 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Using bts as collateral?
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Crypto Kong12:15:04 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
This sounds awesome
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R12:15:35 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
👍 With an added squiggle 〰 🐍
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Crypto Kong12:15:56 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Squiggles are important
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R12:16:05 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Most certainly
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Crypto Kong12:16:10 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
😂
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Mathew12:16:25 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
Coinbase just announced btc pairings for alts so reliance on bitcoin price aint gonna get any better any time soon. Bitshares is however uniquely positioned to break the reliance as we have all the tools to make BTS vs other assets. BTS-GOLD or BTS-OIL for example
Do you mean bitGold with BTS locked up as collateral?
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Crypto Kong12:16:39 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Anything
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Crypto Kong12:16:47 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Someone can create a new one
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Crypto Kong12:17:03 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
We have the ability to do what we want
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Mathew12:17:12 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It's just the same problem tho - bitUSD GS occurred because the price of BTS fell to hard against USD
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Mathew12:17:19 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It fell just as hard against gold
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Mathew12:17:35 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
The challenge is on the collateral side for bear markets
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Crypto Kong12:18:00 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Did it GS because of volatility or bad management of the debt? Id say bad management
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:18:22 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
We have the ability to do what we want
BTC wrapped in ETH wrapped in bacon
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Mathew12:18:38 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I agree to degree but I just meant our smart assets all have the same vulnerability
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Crypto Kong12:18:47 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yes i agree
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Mathew12:19:10 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Theyre underpinned by BTS - underpinning by other cryptos helps but probably not all that much because we all rise and dump together
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Crypto Kong12:19:15 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Which is why good management of the supply of these assets needs to be better thought through in future
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Mathew12:19:28 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I can't think of a way to collatorise better at the minute though
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Mathew12:19:37 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
As it has to be decentralised and transparent
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Crypto Kong12:20:15 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hows about everyone not just margining the absolute balls off everything in a bull run and keeping realistic call prices. Not that hard really
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Mathew12:20:38 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Margin calls need to be played with
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Crypto Kong12:21:03 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
When the open market operation started i said i was in favour as long as call price was 1 or 2 cents for usd... i was ignored
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Crypto Kong12:21:10 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Its not rocket sceince
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Mathew12:21:13 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I don't mind people margining balls to the wind but we need mechanisms for hard sell offs during best times
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Mathew12:21:52 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
When the open market operation started i said i was in favour as long as call price was 1 or 2 cents for usd... i was ignored
That was a committee slip up in my view - the fund shouldn't have been controlled by the most balls to the wind marginer of all
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Mathew12:22:12 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Anyway, slipping back into the same conversation
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Crypto Kong12:22:17 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
People need to differenciate between borrowing in order to supply liquidity and borrowing to trade with. When the lines get blurry... problems start
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Mathew12:22:37 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I like the idea of collatorising in a diversified way but needs some thought.
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Crypto Kong12:23:18 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
If your borrowing in order to supply liquidity the funds you borrowed should always stay on the books. IMO
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Mathew12:23:19 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Use tether as collateral?
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Cryptick Cryptick12:24:02 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
Use tether as collateral?
there is nothing behind tether...
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Crypto Kong12:24:26 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Whats happened previously is the likes of bitcrab borrow, buy more bts, add that to collateral, borrow more.. repeat
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Crypto Kong12:26:11 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
By borrowing and staggering orders on the books and leaving them there you actually increase liquidity on the order book and can potentially use profits from constantly replacing filled staggered orders to lower the debt, increase order sizes or increase collateral
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Crypto Kong12:26:41 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Whats happened before was just reckless gambling
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Jeff12:29:34 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptokong123
Coinbase just announced btc pairings for alts so reliance on bitcoin price aint gonna get any better any time soon. Bitshares is however uniquely positioned to break the reliance as we have all the tools to make BTS vs other assets. BTS-GOLD or BTS-OIL for example
Agree but what bitshares lacks compared to external exchanges is the liquidity to make a difference.
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Cryptick Cryptick12:29:51 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Yeah, by putting up collateral bought with borrowed money it really increases risk.
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Permie12:31:01 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
You guys all seen this?
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Cryptick Cryptick12:31:06 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Jedebel
Agree but what bitshares lacks compared to external exchanges is the liquidity to make a difference.
Don't be fooled 80% of the volume on other exchanges is fake. (wash trading) while not all volume on BitShares is real, I think the wash trading is less (and clearly visible...)
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Permie12:31:17 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
Poll to reduce bitCNY mssr to 1.05...
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Mathew12:32:20 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
there is nothing behind tether...
There's a bank account somewhere with all the dollars no? And ripples the future of crypto? 😉
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Crypto Kong12:32:37 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
They should also seperate liquidity providing accounts, ie: create one for long term, low call price with staggered orders over a larger range with bigger increments between orders. Then create seperate accounts/ positions with higher call prices spread over smaller ranges and tighter increments between orders
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Crypto Kong12:34:36 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Its basic management... liquidity provision is a serious business that bitshares thought could be fixed by allowing bitcrab to recklessly gamble
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Mathew12:35:27 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
Thanks Permie - voted against.
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Mathew12:35:44 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
These 'protect the peg' initiatives are always protecting margin holders
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Permie12:42:16 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
You've voted for DEXBot wp2 too I hope ;)
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R12:47:48 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
These 'protect the peg' initiatives are always protecting margin holders
Truly a burden protecting bad gamblers. Imagine if a casino did everything they could to prevent their customers from losing money 🤦‍♂️
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Mathew12:48:54 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Truly a burden protecting bad gamblers. Imagine if a casino did everything they could to prevent their customers from losing money 🤦‍♂️
The House Never Wins
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R12:49:20 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
The House Never Wins
In bankrupt trump casinos maybe lol
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Mathew12:49:22 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Margin your ass off and win big during bull markets - fine, but you have to lose big during best markets
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Mathew12:50:46 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Permie
You've voted for DEXBot wp2 too I hope ;)
I can confirm my massive voting weight is behind both DEXbot proposals
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Mathew12:51:12 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
There was some " " missing there but I've voted anyway 😉
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Crypto Kong12:51:53 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
Margin your ass off and win big during bull markets - fine, but you have to lose big during bear markets
Exactly
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Permie12:53:14 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
I can confirm my massive voting weight is behind both DEXbot proposals
👍👍👍
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Joe, Son of Bob, Uncle to Tom12:54:57 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
WoW $$$ https://twitter.com/WesternUnion
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Alex M - clockwork13:00:46 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
matle85
I can confirm my massive voting weight is behind both DEXbot proposals
lol
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nutela13:02:40 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Cryptick1
there is nothing behind tether...
I believe Tether made the BTC ATH last Dec 2017
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R13:04:49 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
I believe Tether made the BTC ATH last Dec 2017
Tether market manipulation, sounds about right
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nutela13:04:53 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Question: if I look at BTS market cap on CMC, it’s just BTS right, all the other UIAs are not there, no smartcoins.. so it might make people think BitShares mcap is much lower than reality alltough I think BTS mcap >> others… (others being just 10-15%)
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R13:05:17 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Question: if I look at BTS market cap on CMC, it’s just BTS right, all the other UIAs are not there, no smartcoins.. so it might make people think BitShares mcap is much lower than reality alltough I think BTS mcap >> others… (others being just 10-15%)
Their mcap doesn't fall under bts mcap though
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nutela13:06:09 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Tether market manipulation, sounds about right
Yeah I think they just inflated the market with nothing to back it up and took profits perhaps.. or it was for an ulterior goal, if you look at how Brock Pierce dresses.. (you’d say the new Jesus)
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nutela13:06:21 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Their mcap doesn't fall under bts mcap though
Exactly
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Cryptick Cryptick13:06:34 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Their mcap doesn't fall under bts mcap though
some things do, obits ect
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R13:06:41 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Exactly
Same applies to eth & eos
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nutela13:07:01 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Same applies to eth & eos
Indeed, fair enough 👌
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nutela13:07:23 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Btw @cmmob some ppl don’t know your CM here 😂
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R13:08:00 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Btw @cmmob some ppl don’t know your CM here 😂 Just sayin’
Probably for the best? Lol
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nutela13:08:24 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
Probably for the best? Lol
😄 😂 don’t know what to say to that!
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nutela13:14:07 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Down from ATH: BitShares; 96%, Steem; 97%, EOS; 89%, BTC; 83%
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Ann Andr13:14:41 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hello but crypto pay first
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nutela13:15:05 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
So BTS is 4% from ATH, that’s a huge difference with Steem, like 1/3 higher… or?
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nutela13:21:19 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Chris Coney has a good remark that EOS when staked have to be staked for 3 days, so the pump which was 28% might have been due to that or you could say it might be a good idea for BitShares too! I’m thinking about collateral for bitUSD now. There’s nothing like that in place currently right?
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nutela13:23:28 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
BTW if we were to fund __more__ projects currently, would’t that decrease BTS supply? Wouldn’t devs hold on to it? That would make a lot of sense now wouldn’t it?
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Fabian Schuh13:25:20 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
Down from ATH: BitShares; 96%, Steem; 97%, EOS; 89%, BTC; 83%
And how much is it up from All time low?
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nutela13:25:43 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
xeroc
And how much is it up from All time low?
Infinite because it started from 0
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Fabian Schuh13:26:44 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
I like that perspective :D 😂
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nutela13:31:20 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
xeroc
I like that perspective :D 😂
So you were actually setting me up weren’t you? 😛
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nutela13:31:34 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
You sneaky.. 😂
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Bill White13:32:33 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Hey guys, LUKRUM app just released on the App Store Our team is constantly working to put the best cryptocurrency portfolio tracker into your hands. We're excited to announce that we've launched application for iPhones. Try it now! Find out app on the App Store -> “LUKRUM crypto tracker”
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Fabian Schuh13:33:13 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
So you were actually setting me up weren’t you? 😛
🙈
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Alex M - clockwork13:34:24 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
nut3l4
BTW if we were to fund more projects currently, would’t that decrease BTS supply? Wouldn’t devs hold on to it? That would make a lot of sense now wouldn’t it?
nah , we spend it on drugs
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R13:51:36 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Bill White
Hey guys, LUKRUM app just released on the App Store Our team is constantly working to put the best cryptocurrency portfolio tracker into your hands. We're excited to announce that we've launched application for iPhones. Try it now! Find out app on the App Store -> “LUKRUM crypto tracker”
Does it track bitshares?
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kennybll13:56:01 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bitshares-ui worker is out again. Really peoples...
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kennybll13:56:14 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
among others
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R14:13:55 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
The rossul one is active though at least, so it's not like there's complete dev downtime on ui
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R14:14:17 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
but a greater drive to vote is a good idea, lots of progress made recently by the ui team
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Denis.B14:15:22 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
The rossul one is active though at least, so it's not like there's complete dev downtime on ui
nope, our worker under refund400k
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kennybll14:15:27 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
It's not active right now
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R14:15:39 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Denis_GL
nope, our worker under refund400k
damn :(
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R14:16:04 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
start force settling CNY to reduce refund400k vote weight? 😂😱
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Alex M - clockwork14:16:30 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
at 5% offset?
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Denis.B14:16:37 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
maybe proxy should start communicating and negotiating? Otherwise, let's raise the refund400k to the top and turn off all workers.
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R14:16:47 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
true, how many hidden charges are these these days on cny? 🤔
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R14:17:10 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Denis_GL
maybe proxy should start communicating and negotiating? Otherwise, let's raise the refund400k to the top and turn off all workers.
hell naw, workers are great for BTS
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kennybll14:17:49 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
hell naw, workers are great for BTS
I think his point is if you get rid of a few important one's why not all
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Denis.B14:17:59 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
I think his point is if you get rid of a few important one's why not all
yep
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R14:18:22 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
kennybll
I think his point is if you get rid of a few important one's why not all
Counter productive, plus I don't think the other voted worker proposals were the source of refund400k vote weight, that'd be counter productive
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R14:18:46 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
uneducated voting perhaps the cause? lol
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Denis.B14:19:44 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
bitshares-org, bitshares-ui, spokesperson, rossul-ui, hackthedex, infrastructure - Does proxy think these projects are not important?
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Crypto Kong14:19:54 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
cmmob
start force settling CNY to reduce refund400k vote weight? 😂😱
Lol
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Alex M - clockwork14:19:59 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
Denis_GL
bitshares-org, bitshares-ui, spokesperson, rossul-ui, hackthedex, infrastructure - Does proxy think these projects are not important?
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=21317
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Alex M - clockwork14:20:01 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
ask him
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Denis.B14:20:50 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
hm
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Denis.B14:22:48 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
so some proxe like fav, abit, still and others can explain why they vote for refund400k?
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Alex M - clockwork14:23:33 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
they could...although lowering the threshold is nto a good solution
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Alex M - clockwork14:23:49 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
the proper solution is why OTHERS are NOT voting for those workers
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Denis.B14:25:02 - 18 Dec 2018 [UTC]
clockworkgr
they could...although lowering the threshold is nto a good solution
it works fine a few days ago
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